*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Clamibot]

Happy new year my friends!

[Papusan]

18 hours ago, Papusan said:

Not sure how many times I have moved away snow this winter. Jep, not happy with this white thingy.

 

Polar low pressure heading inland – small to full storm expected. Nice. More of the damn white mess. And on top stormy weather as well. Can't beat this combo😞

 

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Thanks. Yup, New year and new chances. We'll see if the seller here will accept sell the MSI 1080 TI Lighning Z to the old man Papusan🙂 I found this in the used market here home. Not many of thoose cards here home.

 

I rather pay $250 for used old nice special custom made cards than buy the new more fancy low end cards for similar prices. More fun. For me. And I'm an collector of such good old stuff🙂 He have 48 hours  to accept it. And I know the pict lover (you know who you are)😀 wait for new nice pictures from Papusan's plaza. 

 

 

It's mine now 🙂 This beauty will be sent to me after the New year holidays.  

[Mr. Fox]

The new normal... never the best from any tech company, but some failing harder than others. Sad times. Maybe 2025 will not be as bad.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

MrFox`s y-cruncher - Pi-1b score: 10 sec 909 ms with a Ryzen 9 9950X

https://hwbot.org/submission/5739152

 

BIOS Settings in spoiler... https://imgur.com/a/9ydiFYa

Spoiler

@jaybee83and @Raiderman in case you want to give them a go to see if they work OK.

 

[Papusan]

On 1/1/2025 at 8:33 PM, Mr. Fox said:

The new normal... some failing harder than others.

 

Probably stupidity. I really hope the younger one's is much smarter than what Suckerman think. Yet another stupid way to use AI.

The decline of social media is coming: Meta wants to fill it with AI bots to simulate people

Meta wants to fill social media with bots to attract a younger audience interested in AI. Meta's goal with this service of making bots that pretend to be users is to attract the attention of a younger audience , as they are very interested in AI.

 

[electrosoft]

575w TDP for 5090.....that is insane....

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-reportedly-features-tdp-of-575w-rtx-5080-set-at-360w

 

 

....but if it can hit a 40%+ uplift over the 4090 I'm afraid I might have to buckle down and pick one up.....

 

We'll see. 🙂

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

575w TDP for 5090.....that is insane....

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-reportedly-features-tdp-of-575w-rtx-5080-set-at-360w

 

....but if it can hit a 40%+ uplift over the 4090 I'm afraid I might have to buckle down and pick one up.....

 

We'll see. 🙂

It will be interesting to see what they do to 5080, 5070 and 5060 to make the lesser SKUs unattractive so that everyone wants to donate spare body parts to buy the 5090. Wonder if there will be any 5090 overclock headroom left or if it will be pushed to the brink of failure like 14900KS?

[Papusan]

17 hours ago, electrosoft said:

575w TDP for 5090.....that is insane....

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-reportedly-features-tdp-of-575w-rtx-5080-set-at-360w

 

 

....but if it can hit a 40%+ uplift over the 4090 I'm afraid I might have to buckle down and pick one up.....

 

We'll see. 🙂

 

 

 

 

Nvidia needed to boost the power consumption with 125W. I wonder how much the performance would sink with lower 450W TDP as for today's 4090's. The increased TDP is probably needed because there is not a major change on the node for 5000 series cards. 

 

Edit.

Blackwell for data centers is fabricated using a custom 5nm-grade (4NP) node from TSMC, which is said to be an enhanced version of 4N seen on Ada Lovelace and not a full-fledged node jump. This likely explains why Nvidia is pushing power limits to extract every last drop of performance.

 

On 1/1/2025 at 7:15 PM, Papusan said:

It's mine now 🙂 This beauty will be sent to me after the New year holidays.  

 

Hmm. Papuan's delayed Christmas present to himself🙂 Say hello to MSI GTX 1080 Ti Lightning Z. In pristine condition, both for the card and the box. And the card is clean and nice. Never tampered with and still with the avoid sticker on the screw. Damn nice. I also got the orginal invoice from  the seller.

 

The owner paid $900 in 2017 for this beauty. If I include the price hike since 2017 which is 22.81 percent then the card would cost around 1100 USD in Norway with todays money. Yep, half the price vs custom AIB 4090 flagship. But remember in the old days the price premium for the flagship models was mostly below or around $100. Etc a 4090 Strix have several hundreds in premium above MSRP cards nowadays. Sad direction, indeed. 

 

MSI offered Lightning cards in 3 versions. Vanilla version. Lighning X and then the flagship Lightning Z. The box is the same for all 3 SKUs (and the 3 cards is exactly same) but you can differenciate the different cards with the small sticker on the box and on the card. The tp model (Z) was produced in limited quantity. Only 3000 cards made.

 

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Nvidia needed to boost the power consumption with 125W. I wonder how much the performance would sink with lower 450W TDP as for today's 4090's. Probably needed because there is not a major change on the node for 5000 series cards.

 

 

Hmm. Papuan's delayed Christmas present to himself🙂 Say hello to MSI GTX 1080 Ti Lightning Z. In pristine condition, both for the card and the box. Never tampered with and still with the avoid sticker on the screw. Damn nice. I also got the invoice from  the seller. The orginal owner paid $900 in 2017 for this beauty. If I include the price hike since 2017 which is 22.81 percent then the card would cost around 1100 USD in Norway with todays money. Yep, half the price vs custom AIB 4090 flagship. But remember in the old days the price premium for the flagship models was mostly below or around $100. Etc a 4090 Strix have several hundreds in premium above MSRP cards nowadays. Sad direction.

 

MSI offered Lightning cards in 3 versions. Vanilla version. Lighning X and then the flagship Lightning Z. The box is the same for all 3 SKUs (and the 3 cards is exactly same) but you can differenciate the different cards with the small sticker on the box and on the card. The tp model (Z) was produced in limited quantity. Only 3000 cards made.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not 1...

 

Not 2....

 

Not 3....

 

But ***4*** pcs with the crocs!! 🤣

 

Love the 1080ti era especially MSI and EVGA cards.

 

 

[jaybee83]

18 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Probably stupidity. I really hope the younger one's is much smarter than what Suckerman think. Yet another stupid way to use AI.

The decline of social media is coming: Meta wants to fill it with AI bots to simulate people

Meta wants to fill social media with bots to attract a younger audience interested in AI. Meta's goal with this service of making bots that pretend to be users is to attract the attention of a younger audience , as they are very interested in AI.

 

 

decline of social media you say? im all for it! let those cesspools full of idiots die out 🙂 

 

14 hours ago, electrosoft said:

575w TDP for 5090.....that is insane....

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-reportedly-features-tdp-of-575w-rtx-5080-set-at-360w

 

 

....but if it can hit a 40%+ uplift over the 4090 I'm afraid I might have to buckle down and pick one up.....

 

We'll see. 🙂

 

 

 

 

575? ONLY?! wheres my 675W via external cable and pcie connector? cmon Nvidia, you can do better..... 😛 

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Not 1...

 

Not 2....

 

Not 3....

 

But ***4*** pcs with the crocs!! 🤣

 

Love the 1080ti era especially MSI and EVGA cards.

 

 

 

Sorry bruh. Better with the black box with Ice-cream?😁 The card looks as mint condition. The weight topped out at 1.7 Kg.

 

 

 

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

575? ONLY?! wheres my 675W via external cable and pcie connector? cmon Nvidia, you can do better.....

 

575W only? 4090 was only 450W default but you could get cards with 666W power limits as the HOF. I'm sure you'll get use of your 675W via external cable and pcie connector😀 I just hope nvidia this time don't stop people from cross-flashing bios between the different AIB cards. They wasn't happy you could flash Galax firmware on their FE cards with custom software. We'll see.

 

Nvidia could improve ways to lock you out from tampering with your new cards. They are a software company now as you should know.

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Sorry bruh. Better with the black box with Ice-cream?😁 The card looks as mint condition. The weight topped out at 1.7 Kg.

 

 

 

 

575W only? 4090 was only 450W default but you could get cards with 666W power limits as the HOF. I'm sure you'll get use of your 675W via external cable and pcie connector😀 I just hope nvidia this time don't stop people from cross-flashing bios between the different AIB cards. They wasn't happy you could flash Galax firmware on their FE cards with custom software. We'll see.

 

Nvidia could improve ways to lock you out from tampering with your new cards. They are a software company now as you should know.

 

 

Well, I love ice cream so....yeah. 🙂

 

Crazy how much that MSI design looks like Asus's Ampere Strix cards....

 

Oh, I'm sure Nvidia is going to be ALL OVER that cross flashing fiasco and shut that down HARD. I hate it when enthusiast companies suddenly become financially successful corporate behemoths and start implementing the very measures they allowed early on to gain market share and become absolute control freaks. 😞

 

 

 

[Papusan]

17 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Well, I love ice cream so....yeah. 🙂

 

Crazy how much that MSI design looks like Asus's Ampere Strix cards....

 

Oh, I'm sure Nvidia is going to be ALL OVER that cross flashing fiasco and shut that down HARD. I hate it when enthusiast companies suddenly become financially successful corporate behemoths and start implementing the very measures they allowed early on to gain market share and become absolute control freaks. 😞

 

 

 

 

Remember U.S Government is after Nvidia now due improved AI performance for China. They need to improve ways to stop hacking/cross-flashing of firmware due risk of ban. We pc enthusiasts/consumers have to pay the price for all this. 

[Etern4l]

Happy New Year, hope everyone is doing well.

 

Kind of catching up on where Intel is at... what a disaster: massive job cuts ("we have some wood to chop" (C) Pat ), Pat The AI Guy is actually out, 13/14th gen broken without much explanation. Last but not least @Mr. Fox pulled the trigger on an AMD flagship... that's all anyone really needs to know lol

 

My 13900K seems to be on its last legs, has problems booting into Windows, doesn't run at stock voltages etc. Switched back to 12900KS and that's solid. In retrospect the right approach was to RMA when first instability/thermal issues hit. Will try to see if the latest BIOS helps,  not sure it's worth even trying an RMA on a delidded CPU. Kind of reluctant to buy a 14th gen CPU, or any Intel CPU for that matter.

 

BTW thanks MSI you dumb fcks for defaulting to 4096W PL1/PL2 limits on these CPUs when we now know that the TDP levels specified by Intel need to be observed to "ensure" (improve the odds really) reliability (125/253W in the case of 13900K)

 

https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/PL1-and-PL2/m-p/1649853

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/1axepvu/optimizing_stability_for_intel_13900k_and_14900k/

 

Performance based off of 300W+ power draws it's just a launch review benching gimmick as Intel was trying to hold on to the performance crown using a deprecated fab technology... 

[Mr. Fox]

15 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Crazy how much that MSI design looks like Asus's Ampere Strix cards....

That cooler looks a lot like the air cooler from my 4090 Suprim. Not metal, but the lines and geometry are very recognizable.

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

Happy New Year, hope everyone is doing well.

Happy New Year to you as well, brother. Sorry to hear about your CPU.

 

Both of my Z790 systems are still running like a top. I needed something new to play with and decided to give AMD another chance since the top dog Core Ultra offered zero interest. I hated the X570/5950X that I previously owned. This new AM5 build is pretty decent overall. While I still prefer my two Z790 builds, I am content with the 9950X overall and don't regret buying it. It was definitely the better option compared to Core Ultra 285K. All modern platforms have at least a few things that are disappointing. I think the days of awesome PC stuff are behind us now.

 

I have an X670E Gene inbound from China. I think it will be a better candidate for overclocking, especially on the memory side of things. If it gets here before my extended holiday return window closes (assuming the Gene functions as expected) I will be sending the X870E Carbon back to NewEgg for a refund.

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Happy New Year, hope everyone is doing well.

 

Kind of catching up on where Intel is at... what a disaster: massive job cuts ("we have some wood to chop" (C) Pat ), Pat The AI Guy is actually out, 13/14th gen broken without much explanation. Last but not least @Mr. Fox pulled the trigger on an AMD flagship... that's all anyone really needs to know lol

 

My 13900K seems to be on its last legs, has problems booting into Windows, doesn't run at stock voltages etc. Switched back to 12900KS and that's solid. In retrospect the right approach was to RMA when first instability/thermal issues hit. Will try to see if the latest BIOS helps,  not sure it's worth even trying an RMA on a delidded CPU. Kind of reluctant to buy a 14th gen CPU, or any Intel CPU for that matter.

 

BTW thanks MSI you dumb fcks for defaulting to 4096W PL1/PL2 limits on these CPUs when we now know that the TDP levels specified by Intel need to be observed to "ensure" (improve the odds really) reliability (125/253W in the case of 13900K)

 

https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/PL1-and-PL2/m-p/1649853

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/1axepvu/optimizing_stability_for_intel_13900k_and_14900k/

 

Performance based off of 300W+ power draws it's just a launch review benching gimmick as Intel was trying to hold on to the performance crown using a deprecated fab technology... 

 

Happy New Year Bro! And yes, when @Mr. Fox not only picked up but KEPT the AM5 (along with @talon and some others who usually stuck to Intel), that was very telling. 🙂

 

Sorry to hear about the 13900k issues. You, too, can always switch to AM5.

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That cooler looks a lot like the air cooler from my 4090 Suprim. Not metal, but the lines and geometry are very recognizable.

Happy New Year to you as well, brother. Sorry to hear about your CPU.

 

Both of my Z790 systems are still running like a top. I needed something new to play with and decided to give AMD another chance since the top dog Core Ultra offered zero interest. I hated the X570/5950X that I previously owned. This new AM5 build is pretty decent overall. While I still prefer my two Z790 builds, I am content with the 9950X overall and don't regret buying it. It was definitely the better option compared to Core Ultra 285K. All modern platforms have at least a few things that are disappointing. I think the days of awesome PC stuff are behind us now.

 

I have an X670E Gene inbound from China. I think it will be a better candidate for overclocking, especially on the memory side of things. If it gets here before my extended holiday return window closes (assuming the Gene functions as expected) I will be sending the X870E Carbon back to NewEgg for a refund.

 

Yeah, it does look like the air cooled Suprim line up too for the 4000 series. Now we need @Papusan to dig back further and see the earliest design of this same type to see who originated it while he continues to build out his GPU collection. 🙂

 

I had problems with my 14900ks / Asrock z790i lightning setup. Didn't matter what I did, TM5 kept crashing even testing pure stock and even with 6400 sticks or down to 4800 Jedec. I was running the newest 7.02 BIOS. On a whim, I went back to 6.02 and all those crashes went away. The MC code updates are useless for me as I dial in my own settings anyhow.

 

Ultra 9 285k shortages are now over. Amazon, Newegg and Provantage have the boxed editions all in stock. Amazon has it for the best price at $603.66

[jaybee83]

18 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Remember U.S Government is after Nvidia now due improved AI performance for China. They need to improve ways to stop hacking/cross-flashing of firmware due risk of ban. We pc enthusiasts/consumers have to pay the price for all this. 

 

thats ok, i believe in the community 😉 well always find a way to unlock our hardware *mwahaha* 

[Mr. Fox]

 

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It was definitely the better option compared to Core Ultra 285K. All modern platforms have at least a few things that are disappointing. I think the days of awesome PC stuff are behind us now.

 

AMD will probably be the better choice also for coming gaming Jokebooks. Because Intel use same tiled mess without HT here as well. But who knows... Jokebook users jockey's prefer high single core boost. 

 

Vendor claims Ryzen 9 9955HX3D with Zen 5 cores and 3D V-Cache is ready for launch — manufacturer also asserts Arrow Lake-HX CPUs offer minimal performance improvements

[Etern4l]

On 1/4/2025 at 3:17 AM, Papusan said:

 

Remember U.S Government is after Nvidia now due improved AI performance for China. They need to improve ways to stop hacking/cross-flashing of firmware due risk of ban. We pc enthusiasts/consumers have to pay the price for all this. 

 

An unintended consequence of the restrictions is that the Chinese have apparently figured out how to train models 10x more efficiently using the substandard hardware that was still allowed in. That is a game-changer which will lead to further AI advancements and proliferation. We all know the spiel, but it will be very interesting to see what Elon (sorry: Donald, the mastermind, of course), actually do about all this. Here is a hint:

 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-asks-supreme-court-pause-law-that-could-ban-tiktok-2024-12-27/

 

 

19 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Happy New Year to you as well, brother. Sorry to hear about your CPU.

 

Both of my Z790 systems are still running like a top. I needed something new to play with and decided to give AMD another chance since the top dog Core Ultra offered zero interest. I hated the X570/5950X that I previously owned. This new AM5 build is pretty decent overall. While I still prefer my two Z790 builds, I am content with the 9950X overall and don't regret buying it. It was definitely the better option compared to Core Ultra 285K. All modern platforms have at least a few things that are disappointing. I think the days of awesome PC stuff are behind us now.

 

Yeah, myself and others have fallen victim of the mantra (and all the experience confirming this) that "CPUs don't die". Well, normally they don't unless the manufacturer is desperate enough to overtune everything to be able to show competitive benchmark results, severely compromising reliability. TBF I have put extended loads in the 200-275W range on the CPU, which likely contributed to the degradation. That said I've recently seen a CPU failure rate chart and there is a massive spike for 13/14th gen compared with 12th and obviously a whole range of users are affected.

 

I'm quite constrained on time at the moment and don't anticipate an immediate need for a new rig or a massive overhaul, so would probably just cough up on a 14900KS to get the extra 25W of safe TDP.... the new 15th gen stuff doesn't actually look that bad from my perspective, but indeed doesn't really add a massive amount of value and is certainly underwhelming given the fab process improvements (and I guess one would be wise to wait at least a year before Linux support stabilises and issues are ironed out). Too bad mobos are quite expensive too, so socket/platform changes need more of a justification. 

 

In terms of overclocking fun, I would think it will get tougher and tougher since CPUs are more fragile now that they used to be given the improvement in the process, and everything will be more and more fine tuned out of the gate. 

 

 

16 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Happy New Year Bro! And yes, when @Mr. Fox not only picked up but KEPT the AM5 (along with @talon and some others who usually stuck to Intel), that was very telling. 🙂

 

Sorry to hear about the 13900k issues. You, too, can always switch to AM5.

 

Thank you it has been an annoyance and a time sink, but I am chalking it up to hobby expenses :) Certainly the first delid was memorable! Yeah, if I had to build a new machine now it would probably be AM5. I would need to check how it performs on Clear Linux though.

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

In terms of overclocking fun, I would think it will get tougher and tougher since CPUs are more fragile now that they used to be given the improvement in the process, and everything will be more and more fine tuned out of the gate. 

Having everything metered and controlled really ruins things. PCs are becoming nothing more than electronic equivalents of hammers, wrenches and screwdrivers. Having one that is gold plated doesn't make it any more functional than one painted black. The gold plated screwdrivers are designed for people that derive pleasure from wasting money on shiny things that do not perform better. In other words it will be business as usual for turdbook lovers. It's the performance desktop enthusiasts that will be left with nothing worth buying, and a worthless option available for every budget.

[Papusan]

 

GTX 1080 Ti

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5744551_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_(gpu)_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_121627_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5744549_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_126753_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5744543

[Etern4l]

On 1/5/2025 at 4:58 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Having everything metered and controlled really ruins things. PCs are becoming nothing more than electronic equivalents of hammers, wrenches and screwdrivers. Having one that is gold plated doesn't make it any more functional than one painted black. The gold plated screwdrivers are designed for people that derive pleasure from wasting money on shiny things that do not perform better. In other words it will be business as usual for turdbook lovers. It's the performance desktop enthusiasts that will be left with nothing worth buying, and a worthless option available for every budget.

 

Did I miss something? What's being meter on desktop HW side?

You could build a massive Xeon or Epyc "gold-plated" $50K workstation, and it would be more functional if you had a use case for such a machine.  Perhaps what's needed is some offering in between (that doesn't melt down under load = larger socket).

[Talon]

RTX 4090 sold last week for $1500. Rocking the 4070 Super until RTX 5090 beast. AMD's GPUs are so boring now they didn't even mention them during the keynote lol. 

[electrosoft]

30 minutes ago, Talon said:

RTX 4090 sold last week for $1500. Rocking the 4070 Super until RTX 5090 beast. AMD's GPUs are so boring now they didn't even mention them during the keynote lol. 

 

Yup, ditto. I'm not sure what direction I'm going (go big with the 5090 or go home with a 9070xt or 5070), but right now I'm rocking the MSI Ventus 3x 4070 Super with a return window at BB till February 1st while the dust settles. Worst case scenario, I return it and either rock my laptop (3070ti) till something lands or pick up another holdover card.

 

Basically, AMD said the 9070xt replaces the 7900xt so performance will end up somewhere between a 7900xt and a 7900xtx for raster while making improvements everywhere else.

 

They are ripping a page out of the Nvidia playbook and FSR4 is 9000 series only. They keep kicking themselves in their own tushes over and over again as they continue to yet again lose marketshare to Nvidia since choice is back in play unlike the CryptoPandemic boom where buyers were picking up anything they could get their hands on.