*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

17 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Visiting the Reddit threads you would have thought someone died.

 

It is a GPU people! calm down....

LOL, I know, right?

43 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

How did you pre order one?

I only see a "Notify Me" link at the MSI Store page, no preorder, so maybe @win32asmguy can let you know how and where he did that. It may have been on the B&H Photo site rather than MSI.

17 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

5090 is poor value but king of the hill so it is what it is. Bring it on! 🙂

 

Knock it off, bro. I don't need that kind of bad influence. 🤣 I'm doing my best to keep a clear head. That's like talking about a love of liquor in the presence of a recovering alcoholic. I've talked myself out of it already, but temptation sucks.

[electrosoft]

5090 liquid vs 5090 Founders:

 

Those temp differences are outrageous lol. 🙂

 

 

 

[tps3443]

7 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

5090 liquid vs 5090 Founders:

 

Those temp differences are outrageous lol. 🙂

 

 

 

Glad these big YT channels have all the 5090’s they need. 😆

[jaybee83]

@Papusan now we know where MOST of the norwegian 5090 stock went:

 

 

what sorcery is this?! also i know that forum handle, i think he might actually be german, seen him around on Zen 4 RAM OC boards 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

@Papusan now we know where MOST of the norwegian 5090 stock went:

 

 

what sorcery is this?! also i know that forum handle, i think he might actually be german, seen him around on Zen 4 RAM OC boards 😄 

He (dom) is from Norway. He is indeed on overclock.net and HWbot.org. He received a pre-release X870E Apex from ASUS.

 

https://hwbot.org/user/domdtxdissar/

[Papusan]

 

MSI GeForce RTX 5080 Suprim Liquid SOC 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card available in England. Only £1,799.99 or $2,235.84 USD. Have been available all day and the gamers still don't want it, LOOL

 

Dang.... Thats +100% above MSRP. Yup, incl tax but still. 

[electrosoft]

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

MSI GeForce RTX 5080 Suprim Liquid SOC 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card available in England. Only £1,799.99 or $2,235.84 USD. Have been available all day and the gamers still don't want it, LOOL

 

Dang.... Thats +100% above MSRP. Yup, incl tax but still. 

 

I thought this was a slight discount on the 5090 variant for that price then saw the 5080 and chortled.

 

😂

 

Update: It now says "Notify Me" so someone wanted it! WoW.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

MSI GeForce RTX 5080 Suprim Liquid SOC 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card available in England. Only £1,799.99 or $2,235.84 USD. Have been available all day and the gamers still don't want it, LOOL

 

Dang.... Thats +100% above MSRP. Yup, incl tax but still. 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I thought this was a slight discount on the 5090 variant for that price then saw the 5080 and chortled.

😂

Update: It now says "Notify Me" so someone wanted it! WoW.

It's true. Can't fix stupid. Stupid+money is next-level idiocy.

 

It's only an extra $1,000 per GPU, so what's the big deal? They have credit cards to make it affordable. Never mind the 29.5% APR. Defaulting on their payment agreement is sticking it to the man. Finding acceptance among their friends on Facepoot and TikTwat is priceless and gives their lives meaning.

[tps3443]

New discovery here with my RTX 4090 and I am super impressed by this, I started doing some investigation with my 4090 with power consumption. And this thing undervolts like crazy! I can do a standard +175Mhz on the core offset, then I can open the graph on the 0.950v mark and add another +30Mhz for a total of +205 on 0.950mv. This creates an effective 2,715Mhz boost at only 0.950mv, and the card uses exactly 125 less watts of power. So, it goes from around 440 watts in my game at default 1.050v 2,715Mhz, to around 315 watts of power at 0.950mv and the same 2,715Mhz boost. This is seriously amazing!  This 125-watt reduction is only going from 1.050v to 0.950mv so, if someone is running the voltage slider at 100% in MSI AB and pushing 1.100v they would only lose -50Mhz in Core boost (Assuming they're at +0 offset on the core) while also reduce the power by 165 watts of power. 🤯 @Mr. Fox maybe give this a try, its very impressive! 

I have never tried to undervolt this GPU at all before, so this is my first thing looking into this. But seeing such results are insane to say the least. 

I am still trying to buy a 5090 lol. But dang, the 4090 is such a strong GPU. 

I have never seen such large power number drop offs from undervolting a GPU before, I remember undervolting my 3090KP and it definitely was not this drastic. 

(1) 4090 with 100% voltage slider runs 2,775Mhz@1.100V and 480 watts in Sniper Elite 6
(2)4090 with 0% voltage slider runs 2,715Mhz@1.050V at 440 watts in Sniper Elite 6
(3) 4090 undervolted runs 2,715Mhz@0.950V at 315 watts in Sniper Elite 6

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

New discovery here with my RTX 4090 and I am super impressed by this, I started doing some investigation with my 4090 with power consumption. And this thing undervolts like crazy! I can do a standard +175Mhz on the core offset, then I can open the graph on the 0.950v mark and add another +30Mhz for a total of +205 on 0.950mv. This creates an effective 2,715Mhz boost at only 0.950mv, and the card uses exactly 125 less watts of power. So, it goes from around 440 watts in my game at default 1.050v 2,715Mhz, to around 315 watts of power at 0.950mv and the same 2,715Mhz boost. This is seriously amazing!  This 125-watt reduction is only going from 1.050v to 0.950mv so, if someone is running the voltage slider at 100% in MSI AB and pushing 1.100v they would only lose -50Mhz in Core boost (Assuming they're at +0 offset on the core) while also reduce the power by 165 watts of power. 🤯 @Mr. Fox maybe give this a try, its very impressive! 

I have never tried to undervolt this GPU at all before, so this is my first thing looking into this. But seeing such results are insane to say the least. 

 

What you see is most likely ghost clocks. I really enoyed Kefi's experiment. He is the one that made the custom Nvflash for 4000 series. Even Frame Chasers couldn't see it when he reviewed the 5080. The bench results he posted showed the real truth. The high boost didn't match the scores/results.

 

Most modern hardware will clock stretch. This will continue (the bench run but will provide lower results) until it crash due the lack of voltage. Often soft crashes if you haven't totally capped down the needed voltage. The hardware will run at the brink of stability due too little voltage. 

 

I've discovered that all 4090s clock stretch below 1.15v. The factory limit was changed mid-production to 1.07v and thus new 4090s are secretly losing up to 100mhz.

I've discovered that all 4090s clock stretch below 1.15v

[tps3443]

24 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

What you see is most likely ghost clocks. I really enoyed Kefi's experiment. He is the one  one that made the custom Nvram for 4000 series. Even Frame Chasers couldn't see it when he reviewed the 5080. The bench results he posted showed the real truth. 

 

Most modern hardware will clock stretch. This will continue (the bench run but will provide lower results) until it crash due the lack of voltage. Often soft crashes if you haven't totally capped down the needed voltage. The hardware will run at the brink of stability due too little voltage. 

 

I've discovered that all 4090s clock stretch below 1.15v. The factory limit was changed mid-production to 1.07v and thus new 4090s are secretly losing up to 100mhz.

I've discovered that all 4090s clock stretch below 1.15v

You can see in HWinfo what the effective clock is. I’ll see what it is tomorrow. I remember checking my 3090 for clock stretching, and it was always so small. Card may say 2,715 and it’s effective is really 2,670 or something like that. VS running 1.100V and it says its running 2,715, and the effective is 2,700. 
 

 

[Papusan]

48 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

You can see in HWinfo what the effective clock is. I’ll see what it is tomorrow. I remember checking my 3090 for clock stretching, and it was always so small. Card may say 2,715 and it’s effective is really 2,670 or something like that. VS running 1.100V and it says its running 2,715, and the effective is 2,700. 
 

 

 

Hwinfo can't pick it up. All too slow. Software vill never be able to catch it correct. And I have seen too many with lower bench scores than needed to be, due their love for massive undervolt. This both for processors and graphics cards. Their HW run at the brink of stability. If they further shrink on voltage they will see soft crashes. Modern HW don't crash in same way as in the older days. 

 

Asus... What the hell.

 

 

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

And if Jensen was smart. Start flood the US market with loads of cards before the Trump tax become an reality. 

 

But who knows... Nvidia and Jensen will prioritice China before anything.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

It's interesting that NewEgg had no 3090 Ti in stock and now suddenly tons of stock for sale at 5090 prices, and 4090 priced at $1,000 or more greater than 5090 prices. And, 7900 XTX for 5080 prices. *sigh* people buying GPUs at these prices are being sodomized. Selling what you already own, if it is decent, is not a very smart idea right now.

 

Oh well... it's all gonna burn. Now, where did I put my gas can and matches.

 

Drop your drawers and spread 'em, kids. Hope you bought some lubricant.

 

This video is not actually about 5080. It's a look at how we have been strategically and methodically screwed. NVIDIA ain't the only one. It's the new way of the industry.

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's interesting that NewEgg had no 3090 Ti in stock and now suddenly tons of stock for sale at 5090 prices, and 4090 priced at $1,000 or more greater than 5090 prices. And, 7900 XTX for 5080 prices. *sigh* people buying GPUs at these prices are being sodomized. Selling what you already own, if it is decent, is not a very smart idea right now.

 

Oh well... it's all gonna burn. Now, where did I put my gas can and matches.

 

Drop your drawers and spread 'em, kids. Hope you bought some lubricant.

 

This video is not actually about 5080. It's a look at how we have been strategically and methodically screwed. NVIDIA ain't the only one. It's the new way of the industry.

The reason why Newegg has all of these 3090's and 4090's is because they are heavily pushing the Newegg Trade-in program. Offering people $1,350 dollars for any working RTX4090 is not a bad deal. Newegg then turns around and sells these as "Refurbished" for $1,599-$1,799 range depending on the model. This is a way to feel the void for those that never had a 4090, and after nearly 3 years they can own one for MSRP! 🤣

It really feels like the 5090 was not ready at all to launch. Nvidia should have just waited until March. I do not know why they are so desperate to release a product that is not even real. I thought it was funny that they posted on Reddit asking gamers "How their DLSS4 gaming experience was?" when no one actually had a GPU 🤣 

AMD waited on the 9070XT, and I think I can see why now. Maybe they are making a ton of them so everyone can buy one.

[Papusan]

 

ProShop is the main sales sites to find hardware in Norway and Scandinavia. Nice. 

 

Scalper bots said to be responsible for majority of GeForce RTX 50 Founders Edition sales in Europe

 

ProShop has sold the bulk of European RTX 50 Founders Edition cards to scalpers

 

PC Games Hardware was informed by its community that other users were bragging about purchasing RTX 50 FE cards before the oficial launch (at 3:00 PM local time). Once the embargo lifted, there were no cards left to buy. Proshop, a large retailer with multiple chains across various countries, was responsible for handling the sales of Founders Edition cards exclusively in these regions. However, it turns out there was never a real chance to buy these cards, as they were all purchased in

 

Some users even conrmed using multiple addresses to buy cards and circumvent the restriction limiting shipments to one per address. Hmmm. Dom bought two cards from Proshop.

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, tps3443 said:

New discovery here with my RTX 4090 and I am super impressed by this, I started doing some investigation with my 4090 with power consumption. And this thing undervolts like crazy! I can do a standard +175Mhz on the core offset, then I can open the graph on the 0.950v mark and add another +30Mhz for a total of +205 on 0.950mv. This creates an effective 2,715Mhz boost at only 0.950mv, and the card uses exactly 125 less watts of power. So, it goes from around 440 watts in my game at default 1.050v 2,715Mhz, to around 315 watts of power at 0.950mv and the same 2,715Mhz boost. This is seriously amazing!  This 125-watt reduction is only going from 1.050v to 0.950mv so, if someone is running the voltage slider at 100% in MSI AB and pushing 1.100v they would only lose -50Mhz in Core boost (Assuming they're at +0 offset on the core) while also reduce the power by 165 watts of power. 🤯 @Mr. Fox maybe give this a try, its very impressive! 

I have never tried to undervolt this GPU at all before, so this is my first thing looking into this. But seeing such results are insane to say the least. 

I am still trying to buy a 5090 lol. But dang, the 4090 is such a strong GPU. 

I have never seen such large power number drop offs from undervolting a GPU before, I remember undervolting my 3090KP and it definitely was not this drastic. 

(1) 4090 with 100% voltage slider runs 2,775Mhz@1.100V and 480 watts in Sniper Elite 6
(2)4090 with 0% voltage slider runs 2,715Mhz@1.050V at 440 watts in Sniper Elite 6
(3) 4090 undervolted runs 2,715Mhz@0.950V at 315 watts in Sniper Elite 6

 

 

All that matters is your frame rates/benchmarks with the undervolt and how much you're saving from the wall versus your performance metrics.

 

I stopped worrying about clock stretching / ghost clocks and started focusing on my actual bench/performance results / stability versus what my meter is reading being pulled out of the wall and drawing the conclusions there while undervolting and increasing clocks/mem to find the perfect power:performance point.

@tps3443 rerun your tests with Timespy or in game benchmark to find that sweet proper UV point where performance takes the least hit. I just used TS with my 4090 to hit 2825mhz at 0.950v  with power usage right around 340w in WoW and then below that clocks and performance really started to suffer and I had to dial back on my +175 to clocks or give it a wee bit more power or I would get lesser performance or crash/lock ups.

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's interesting that NewEgg had no 3090 Ti in stock and now suddenly tons of stock for sale at 5090 prices, and 4090 priced at $1,000 or more greater than 5090 prices. And, 7900 XTX for 5080 prices. *sigh* people buying GPUs at these prices are being sodomized. Selling what you already own, if it is decent, is not a very smart idea right now.

 

Oh well... it's all gonna burn. Now, where did I put my gas can and matches.

 

Drop your drawers and spread 'em, kids. Hope you bought some lubricant.

 

This video is not actually about 5080. It's a look at how we have been strategically and methodically screwed. NVIDIA ain't the only one. It's the new way of the industry.

 

 

I monitored and kept numerous 7900xtx's in my basket on newegg. Each had anywhere from being in 150+ baskets (Sapphire Pulse 7900xtx) up to 450+ baskets (Nitro+) to a modest 300+ baskets (Asrock Taichi). I also kept track of several 7900xtx models on Amazon and BB too.

 

They were routinely in stock if not always in stock.

 

This was also true with the 4070 Super.

 

5000 series drops, sells out instantly, tons of people couldn't get a 5080 or a 5090 and suddenly after the launch 7900xtx and 4070 supers sold out fairly quickly.

 

Translation: Some buyers were holding off buying a 7900xtx, 4070 super (top cards realistically left in stock at many places from each company at MSRP) and once they couldn't get a 5000 series card and needed something they snapped up an alternative.

 

You also have a fear of Tariffs kicking in and those prices skyrocketing.

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

The reason why Newegg has all of these 3090's and 4090's is because they are heavily pushing the Newegg Trade-in program. Offering people $1,350 dollars for any working RTX4090 is not a bad deal. Newegg then turns around and sells these as "Refurbished" for $1,599-$1,799 range depending on the model. This is a way to feel the void for those that never had a 4090, and after nearly 3 years they can own one for MSRP! 🤣

It really feels like the 5090 was not ready at all to launch. Nvidia should have just waited until March. I do not know why they are so desperate to release a product that is not even real. I thought it was funny that they posted on Reddit asking gamers "How their DLSS4 gaming experience was?" when no one actually had a GPU 🤣 

AMD waited on the 9070XT, and I think I can see why now. Maybe they are making a ton of them so everyone can buy one.

 

I guess this is your first taste of an Nvidia launch in quite awhile. 🙂

 

This one was worse than the 4000 series launch though by far as some 4090's lasted a few days at MC before selling out.

 

5090 was ready to launch. I mean, the cards and architecture are there and out. It wasn't ready to launch in volume but it was definitely ready to launch. 🙂

 

I think Nvidia wanted to get in also before the potential Tariffs kick in and suddenly the cost of all these cards is going to be at least 25% more expensive if not more for consumers unless an exception is made. With a baseline tariff, you're suddenly looking at $1250 for a 5080, $2500 for a 5090 for FE models and the prices just scale up from there. $3000 for a Suprim Air. $3500 for an Astral. This is all before sales tax.

 

I know for myself if Tariffs kick in before I get a potential 5090 I will most certainly pass. Even now I'm still "meh" (as I was looking all morning....I know right?).

 

I'm going to do some hard numbers when my 5080 FE comes in. at basically $1012 after tax w/ discounts it will be hard to beat price:performance. I'd prefer a 5090 FE or other MSRP model for $2k or if I need to spend more, a Suprim 5090. That's about it realistically but sometimes you have to let common sense kick in (or not 🤣)

 

When I see numbers like this:

 

 

It really shows the 5080 at $999.99 justifies its place in the price:performance pantheon. ~9% behind a 4090 for a fraction of the price. Do I wish it was faster? Of course, but no denying the same price for more performance and features.

 

5090 is just off in its own world dominating everything.....

 

13 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

ProShop is the main sales sites to find hardware in Norway and Scandinavia. Nice. 

 

Scalper bots said to be responsible for majority of GeForce RTX 50 Founders Edition sales in Europe

 

ProShop has sold the bulk of European RTX 50 Founders Edition cards to scalpers

 

PC Games Hardware was informed by its community that other users were bragging about purchasing RTX 50 FE cards before the oficial launch (at 3:00 PM local time). Once the embargo lifted, there were no cards left to buy. Proshop, a large retailer with multiple chains across various countries, was responsible for handling the sales of Founders Edition cards exclusively in these regions. However, it turns out there was never a real chance to buy these cards, as they were all purchased in

 

Some users even conrmed using multiple addresses to buy cards and circumvent the restriction limiting shipments to one per address. Hmmm. Dom bought two cards from Proshop.

 

I've done this in the past. You just have a family member or friend order something for you from the same location so you can get more than one of whatever. It's no biggie and I'm sure Dom (and others) have done it to get multiple units.

 

On the other hand, purchasing before the embargo is another thing or swooping in and buying dozens or more.

 

I guess I just don't get my shorts in a bunch over things like this. I never have. I didn't score a 5090. I just shrugged my shoulders and thought, "Ah well, there's always tomorrow." 🙂

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The reason why Newegg has all of these 3090's and 4090's is because they are heavily pushing the Newegg Trade-in program. Offering people $1,350 dollars for any working RTX4090 is not a bad deal. Newegg then turns around and sells these as "Refurbished" for $1,599-$1,799 range depending on the model. This is a way to feel the void for those that never had a 4090, and after nearly 3 years they can own one for MSRP! 🤣

It really feels like the 5090 was not ready at all to launch. Nvidia should have just waited until March. I do not know why they are so desperate to release a product that is not even real. I thought it was funny that they posted on Reddit asking gamers "How their DLSS4 gaming experience was?" when no one actually had a GPU 🤣 

AMD waited on the 9070XT, and I think I can see why now. Maybe they are making a ton of them so everyone can buy one.

No, these are listed as new, not refurbished. Most of the refurbished are "out of stock" and that is what is puzzling. Where were all of these brand new GPUs that magically appeared but were nowhere to be found before the 50-series paper-launched? Being held in a warehouse to keep demand and prices artificially inflated?

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Translation: Some buyers were holding off buying a 7900xtx, 4070 super (top cards realistically left in stock at many places from each company at MSRP) and once they couldn't get a 5000 series card and needed something they snapped up an alternative.

Mysterious appearance of new stock of obsolete GPUs for sale at massively inflated prices (greater than NVIDIA 50-series paper launch prices) has collusion and extortion written all over it.

[electrosoft]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

No, these are listed as new, not refurbished. Most of the refurbished are "out of stock" and that is what is puzzling. Where were all of these new GPUs before the 50-series launched? Being held in a warehouse to keep demand and prices artificially inflated?

Mysterious appearance of new stock of obsolete GPUs for sale at massively inflated prices (greater than NVIDIA 50-series paper launch prices) has collusion and extortion written all over it.

 

I put nothing past businesses to constantly increase profits. Absolutely nothing.

 

Newegg routinely takes advantage of current market conditions by charging more over MSRP along with suddenly adding in shipping fees. Let's not forget their combo "deals" (well, in their defense, some of the deals are nice).

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Looks like some of the less expensive 5080 and 5090 might have molded plastic backplates on them. Hard to tell for certain looking at stock photos, might just be CGI, but I've seen a couple of them that are looking pretty chintzy.

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

ProShop is the main sales sites to find hardware in Norway and Scandinavia. Nice. 

 

Scalper bots said to be responsible for majority of GeForce RTX 50 Founders Edition sales in Europe

 

ProShop has sold the bulk of European RTX 50 Founders Edition cards to scalpers

 

PC Games Hardware was informed by its community that other users were bragging about purchasing RTX 50 FE cards before the oficial launch (at 3:00 PM local time). Once the embargo lifted, there were no cards left to buy. Proshop, a large retailer with multiple chains across various countries, was responsible for handling the sales of Founders Edition cards exclusively in these regions. However, it turns out there was never a real chance to buy these cards, as they were all purchased in

 

Some users even conrmed using multiple addresses to buy cards and circumvent the restriction limiting shipments to one per address. Hmmm. Dom bought two cards from Proshop.

 

duuuude u gotta be f***ing kidding me O.o and proshop is like: "meh, cancel orders? nah, take it up with nvidia, we got our monies! 😛" 

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I've done this in the past. You just have a family member or friend order something for you from the same location so you can get more than one of whatever. It's no biggie and I'm sure Dom (and others) have done it to get multiple units.

 

On the other hand, purchasing before the embargo is another thing or swooping in and buying dozens or more.

 

I guess I just don't get my shorts in a bunch over things like this. I never have. I didn't score a 5090. I just shrugged my shoulders and thought, "Ah well, there's always tomorrow." 🙂

 

If you're standing in line and are able to grab two, three, or four, then stop complaining about the shortage the next time you're in line for the next latest and greatest. There's for a reason stores/retailers say one item for every customer. You're ruining for the next guy in line for limited-edition items if you don't respect the rules. You are your own enemy. Scalpers do the same thing, but for maximum profit. What's the differences for the peps in line behind you getting nothing? What if the man in the line before you buy up everything to help friends/family members that don't bother spend their valuable time in the order line? Maybe they pay him for the work as well.

 

If you have more than one item on your invoice/bill, you haven't followed the rules. Neither have the retailer. But what do I know... I'll take the time to find what I want. So no cryes/anger here🙂

 

With time the 4000 series will get some more love. Just sell out as much 5000 series cards you can make first. But probably smart because most 4000 series owners won't upgrade every gen. As well keep them of from buying cheaper AMD Radeon cards when they launch later this spring. 

 

 But shops/retail will do whatever they can to screw you. And the manufacturer of the gods don't bother with you as paying customers. They care only for max profits. Only god know how many D branded cards got most love from Jensen and nvidia.

 

Proshop has now spoken to PCGH . However, the retailer has withdrawn all responsibility for the events at or before the market launch and has simply referred to Nvidia. " Questions about the launch and its handling " should be directed to the manufacturer, they say. Nvidia has not commented.

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks like some of the less expensive 5080 and 5090 might have molded plastic backplates on them. Hard to tell for certain looking at stock photos, might just be CGI, but I've seen a couple of them that are looking pretty chintzy.

 

And Asus prefer plastic (metal look alike) on the fan shroud for worlds  most expensive (gaming) graphics cards. High quality plastic. The same said Dell for their AW Jokebooks. White turned to poop color after 3-4 weeks. On a item that costed $5000. Yup, high quality can be so much. But people should be happy Asus didn't use metal as etc MSI. The Astral cards could have been easly $100 more. So... Plastic is fantastic. At least Asus think so for their disgusting priced flagship😀

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

If you're standing in line and are able to grab two, three, or four, then stop complaining about the shortage the next time you're in line for the next latest and greatest. There's for a reason stores/retailers say one item for every customer. You're ruining for the next guy in line for limited-edition items if you don't respect the rules. You are your own enemy. Scalpers do the same thing, but for maximum profit. What's the differences for the peps in line behind you getting nothing? What if the man in the line before you buy up everything to help friends/family members that don't bother spend their valuable time in the order line? 

 

If you have more than one item on your invoice/bill, you haven't followed the rules. Neither have the retailer. But what do I know... I'll take the time to find what I want. So no cryes/anger here🙂

 

 

 

I agree, no crying.

 

The market is what it is and when I don't get the product(s) I want, I literally shrug my shoulders and toss in an audible "ah well" each and every time and it's out of mind as quick as it was in there and life goes on. 🙂

 

I say this knowing that a good chunk of GPUs went to scalpers or knowing bots were used or knowing insiders had first dibs for themselves or.... (insert another reason here). It is what it is.

 

Life is too short to get worked up over stuff like this over luxury items that only a very select few can afford anyhow. I know I am in a blessed position in life and I can roll this stuff off my shoulders and keep it moving.

 

When you can relate contextually and realize how much better off you are than most, life becomes a much more positive, wonderful existence....(or at least that has been my experience).

 

(The BIG fist bump! 😁)

------

 

On a related note:

 

Is it me, or is the Asus Prime 5000 series linup very industrial beautiful designs? I really like the look of the 5080.

 

And it is $999 MSRP

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

46 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I agree, no crying.

 

The market is what it is and when I don't get the product(s) I want, I literally shrug my shoulders and toss in an audible "ah well" each and every time and it's out of mind as quick as it was in there and life goes on. 🙂

 

I say this knowing that a good chunk of GPUs went to scalpers or knowing bots were used or knowing insiders had first dibs for themselves or.... (insert another reason here). It is what it is.

 

Life is too short to get worked up over stuff like this over luxury items that only a very select few can afford anyhow. I know I am in a blessed position in life and I can roll this stuff off my shoulders and keep it moving.

 

When you can relate contextually and realize how much better off you are than most, life becomes a much more positive, wonderful existence....(or at least that has been my experience).

 

(The BIG fist bump! 😁)

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On a related note:

 

Is it me, or is the Asus Prime 5000 series linup very industrial beautiful designs? I really like the look of the 5080.

 

And it is $999 MSRP

 

I think if there is evidence of shady activities from scalpers and foolishness like bots and private distribution of links to selected individuals in a situation like this it should be treated as a financial crime (a misdemeanor addressed in realtime at the source) and all of the identified offending orders cancelled with partial refunds minus a reasonable "handling fee" required and the wrongly purchased products put back into inventory and sold to someone not trying to cheat, scam or scalp. The partial refund would be a point of discouragement for those motivated by secondary gain. Secondary loss (refund minus withheld handling fees) is their punishment for wrongful acquisition and it compensates the retailer for addressing the problems that those dishonest "customers" created for them.

 

I like how the Prime, TUF and Pro Art GPUs and other products look. Very understated and industrial, similar to EVGA Dark motherboards. I saw a new MSI GPU that followed the very muted industrial look as well, similar to the new Prime and TUF GPUs.  (I don't remember what they named it. I did not make special note of it because I am not planning a GPU purchase.) KISS principle without rainbow puke and shiny plastic or flashy trim, LCD screens, etc. 

 

I also think MSI making the Suprim LEDs white by default and only requiring software garbage if you want something different is a step in the right direction. Having rainbow puke as the default is disgusting. White static LED should be the firmware default for all RGB products.

[Papusan]

On 1/30/2025 at 7:07 PM, Papusan said:

There is prosumers that want a cheaper option as 4090 for multi GPU setup. And the 5080 should really be an 5060, LOL

 

NVIDIA RTX 5080 should be the RTX 5060: the difference in shaders by cost compared to the full chip is worse with each generation

 

Hmmm. The 5080 improve in quality. The above said it should be the  5060. But HU mean it should be an 5070. Maybe the middleman 5060Ti would be the better compromise? 😁 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think if there is evidence of shady activities from scalpers and foolishness like bots and private distribution of links to selected individuals in a situation like this it should be treated as a financial crime (a misdemeanor addressed in realtime at the source) and all of the identified offending orders cancelled with partial refunds minus a reasonable "handling fee" required and the wrongly purchased products put back into inventory and sold to someone not trying to cheat, scam or scalp.

 

I have always tried follow the rules in life... Be an honest man. If I can't do that I would feel poor and misserable. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm. The 5080 improve in quality. The above said it should be the  5060. But HU mean it should be an 5070. Maybe the middleman 5060Ti would be the better compromise? 😁 

 

 

The part that remains unanswered is how much do I care. About this much >  LOL

  

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

I have always tried follow the rules in life... Be an honest man. 

People like us (you, me and others here) are very rare. Being honest has become very much a situational ethics problem for many people. True honesty and integrity are exceptional character traits that are no longer the norm. It wasn't that many years ago that the opposite was true. To the best of my ability I live by absolutes and avoid compromises or grading on a curve.