*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

13 hours ago, Papusan said:

AMD don't price their own cards themself. They use Nvidia's prices for own graphics cards. That's disgusting. 

 

And for the records... They know everything about Nvidia's performance estimates for each new tier cards long before they are even mentioned in leaks. We saw that clearly  when we saw what they said about 4080 performance for their top tier cards. 

Maybe not when it first goes to market, but after a short time it is ultimately the people purchasing products that determine the price. If everyone accepts ludicrous prices they remain indefinitely ludicrous. When enough people say no and walk away from overpriced products, that is when we identify what those objects are truly worth. The value of any product is defined by how much people will pay for that product. How much it cost to produce and how much or little profit (or loss) is derived from the sale of it ultimately does not matter. The defining moment is at the cash register. When idiots are in the majority and common sense becomes a derrogatory adjective rather than a compliment, we see things like current 4090 and 5090 scalper prices become the new normal at the cash register.

 

So, ultimately we have only to thank the man in the mirror and the legions of similarly unintelligent people surrounding us. Saying no to impulsive desires is not that difficult, but most people are not willing to exercise good judgment or self-restraint when it feels too good for them to stroke whatever monkey tickles them most.

 

What would be really wonderful would be seeing repeated product launch failures and collapse of sales of new-to-market products because of overly-aggressive predator pricing. Manufacturers should be put in a position of having to actually go to the effort of identifying ways to sell enough volume of modestly profitable products to keep the lights on and stay in the black. That's is what needs to happen and what would be for the ultimate good of everyone, but it will likely never happen. Good things happen to bad people but good things never happen to idiots that facilitate and contribute to their own self-destruction.

[Vasudev]

Hey everyone I'm taking mini steps into desktop realm once again after 15 years. My first step is I got eGPU and didn't want a laptop with nvidia. Chose a USB4 thinkpad and 4070 Super. I'm totally impressed with out of the box GPU temps and is super silent and 0 rpm fan on heavy encode test using Av1 Temps were 54C on 3GB 90Mbps game capture. Did try my hand with AI tools through Nvidia broadcast and its quite good.

Cost wise I know its expensive considering India has high tariffs. I managed to get least expensive 4070 Super GPU called Gigabyte Windforce OC at $900. Original MRP just 1900$.

I was waiting for 5070 or 5080 but it was nowhere to be found in India and after talking with my local distributors I went with Ada. I have been using FSR 3 for a quite a while but DLSS 3.5 at Quality is pretty good and I had to nitpick my recording otherwise it was pretty good.

 

I wanted to check if anyone had covered this material regarding blackwell compute performance and why its a sidegrade unless you're on 3-4 older GPU generations.

Blackwell Architecture PDF

[jaybee83]

On 2/15/2025 at 8:45 PM, Papusan said:

Maybe more 4090 users will check their cards now after the 5090 fiasco being put in spotlight. Seems we get a new round with sad pc gamers and melted connectors. The cards can work perfectly fine with melted connectors, so... Grear times forwards for computer repair-shops. 

 

 

 

yep, right here! im kinda anxious to pulling out my GPU for the storage upgrade / case cleaning in 1-2 weeks time...fingers crossed everything is dandy!

 

16 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Disgusting seeing AMD try match equal Sku price point from Nvidia. This won't go well. There aint enough AMD fanboys to defend this stupid move (if correct) from AMD. 

 

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

We saw a tale of two cities with AMD.

 

During Ampere/Crypto, we saw a card that had raster almost on the level of the 3090 AND demand that was so insane AMD couldn't keep them in stock either and their market share rose and shook Nvidia.

 

Ada era they lost out on performance, RT and the market wasn't as hungry and when given a choice, buyers flocked to Nvidia and their marketshare dropped noticeably.

 

Now? They are losing even more and potentially pricing even worse and they just don't have the mind space of gamers like Nvidia. They have had the opportunity twice now to really price their cards competitively to make in roads but it looks like they are again content to not really attack the low and mid like Intel is doing atm.

 

I was hoping AMD focused on the mid market and really came out with a banger of a card priced insanely competitively.

 

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Then of course we now have Nvidia ramping up production of the 5090 so hopefully scalpers get zinged and buyers can get cards but the initial MSRP pricing is gone now and I'm afraid cards will remain priced as they are even purchased at MSRP:

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-gb202-gpu-supply-for-rtx-5090-set-to-increase-retailer-has-147-rtx-5080-cards-but-not-selling-them-separately

 

Anybody who paid the prices asked for 5080s and 5090s....whew.....that's gonna hurt just to be first.

 

 

 

i. just. dont. get. it. WHY AMD? why?! it would be SO easy and straight forward! 5070Ti MSRP 750, then do -30% at 550 and u got an absolute BANGER that literally everyone will buy, case closed. but nope, they gotta follow the same stupid, non-functional strat they did the last few times, ugh....

[Papusan]

Hmmm. The $300 price premium for the oc'd flagship model from Zotac offer less ompa than the cheaper MSRP card from Inno3D. Pay more...Get less. Or maybe the price premium nowadays is more for the bling bling factor? More bling = More expensive? 

 

MSRP card.

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

Hmmm. The $300 price premium for the oc'd flagship model from Zotac offer less ompa than the cheaper MSRP card from Inno3D. Pay more...Get less. Or maybe the price premium nowadays is more for the bling bling factor? More bling = More expensive? 

 

MSRP card.

 

Paying extra for tacky crap that only kiddos care about is the way things are done now. What matters most no longer matters. Remember, these are the same bozos that think that dumb-looking cartoon character action hero and stupid Pokemon figurines perched on their GPU or on top of the case are what make their computer something special. I actually prefer the muted appearance of cards like this one and the ASUS TUF over the garish gamer trash.

[Reciever]

22 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Yep. And it will be even worse. 

Microsoft removes Windows 11 24H2 official support on 8th 9th 10th Gen Intel CPUs

Sayan Sen · 9 hours ago

Microsoft has finally added the official CPU support list for Windows 11 version 24H2, and the company has strangely removed several Intel processors from it.

 

From what I understand this is for SI's, this changes nothing for DIY.

[tps3443]

Since KDC2 came out, I’ve been doing some serious gaming sessions, so then I decided to pull my RTX 4090 Gaming OC for a quick dusting and checking. My power cable, and power plug look great! No dongles, no extensions, no adapters. All is well! 😃
 

[Mr. Fox]

Both of my 4090s still look fine and they both have a Thermal Grizzly WireView in the GPU socket. My hope is that if the cables ever melt they will melt into the WireView socket and leave the GPU socket alone. The one in the Ryzen build uses the 12VHPWR cable included with the Corsair PSU and the Apex build uses the 12VHPWR cable included with the Thermaltake Toughpower. The 3090 Ti is also still looking normal and it uses the Corsair PSU 12VHPWR cable connected directly to the GPU. I have no reason to believe that any of them will melt since they have not even though I have pushed close to 700W through the wimpy 12VHPWR connectors on both of the 4090s numerous times, but the possibility is never forgotten or dismissed.

[tps3443]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Both of my 4090s still look fine and they both have a Thermal Grizzly WireView in the GPU socket. My hope is that if the cables ever melt they will melt into the WireView socket and leave the GPU socket alone. The one in the Ryzen build uses the 12VHPWR cable included with the Corsair PSU and the Apex build uses the 12VHPWR cable included with the Thermaltake Toughpower. The 3090 Ti is also still looking normal and it uses the Corsair PSU 12VHPWR cable connected directly to the GPU. I have no reason to believe that any of them will melt since they have not even though I have pushed close to 700W through the wimpy 12VHPWR connectors on both of the 4090s numerous times, but the possibility is never forgotten or dismissed.

12v2x6 has been solid for me with my 4090. I use to worry about it when I first got the 4090 though. I didn’t trust it at all! I think if we just periodically check the cable temps from time to time it will be okay.
 

Oh, and! I tried to snag that 4090 STRIX OC for $1,550 on OC.net.. I PM’ed the guy, and was like “WHATS YOUR PAYPAL?” He responded and said. “Send me your PayPal and I’ll send you an invoice” so, I sent my PayPal, and he said he “Sending invoice now” now he has totally ghosted me, and I haven’t gotten anything at all. 🤷‍♂️ 

 

My plan was to buy that Strix OC 4090, then turn right around and sell my Gaming OC 4090 for probably the same price (Maybe a little less) lol. 😂 

 

But it’s not going to plan. The guy has either gotten cold feet, or he’s a scammer.. Not really sure. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

12v2x6 has been solid for me with my 4090. I use to worry about it when I first got the 4090 though. I didn’t trust it at all! I think if we just periodically check the cable temps from time to time it will be okay.
 

Oh, and! I tried to snag that 4090 STRIX OC for $1,550 on OC.net.. I PM’ed the guy, and was like “WHATS YOUR PAYPAL?” He responded and said. “Send me your PayPal and I’ll send you an invoice” so, I sent my PayPal, and he said he “Sending invoice now” now he has totally ghosted me, and I haven’t gotten anything at all. 🤷‍♂️ 

 

My plan was to buy that Strix OC 4090, then turn right around and sell my Gaming OC 4090 for probably the same price (Maybe a little less) lol. 😂 

 

But it’s not going to plan. The guy has either gotten cold feet, or he’s a scammer.. Not really sure. 

No guarantee it would have been any better than what you have now. The Strix 4090 that I bought and returned for refund totally sucked at core and memory overclocking. My 4090 MSI Suprim and my 4090 GB Gaming OC both obliterated the crappy Strix turd GPU that I sent back to NewEgg. I do not consider any ASUS GPU a good option, especially Strix and Astral models, because they are overpriced beyond everything else for no valid reason and offer no guarantee of giving you anything in return for the higher price tag except for a stupid proprietary upside-down 12VHPWR morphodite connector. ASUS is totally a joke when it comes to GPUs. If I had to buy one it would be a TUF or Prime GPU.

 

You can probably get $2000+ your 4090 from an idiot. Even 3090 Ti is still selling for around $1500, 3090 for $1000+ and 3080 Ti for around $900. Who knew there were so many retards left? GPU prices make them easy to spot. The problem is that anything you sell for an "appropriate" price will cost you twice what its true value is to replace it. 

 

I don't own any 12V2x6 cables. I think all revisions of the 12VHPWR connector are like putting lipstick on a pig and don't believe the "new and improved" connectors are any less fragile or prone to melting.

[tps3443]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

No guarantee it would have been any better than what you have now. The Strix 4090 that I bought and returned for refund totally sucked at core and memory overclocking. My 4090 MSI Suprim and my 4090 GB Gaming OC both obliterated the crappy Strix turd GPU that I sent back to NewEgg. I do not consider any ASUS GPU a good option, especially Strix and Astral models, because they are overpriced beyond everything else for no valid reason and offer no guarantee of giving you anything in return for the higher price tag except for a stupid proprietary upside-down 12VHPWR morphodite connector. ASUS is totally a joke when it comes to GPUs. If I had to buy one it would be a TUF or Prime GPU.

 

You can probably get $2000+ your 4090 from an idiot. Even 3090 Ti is still selling for around $1500, 3090 for $1000+ and 3080 Ti for around $900. Who knew there were so many retards left? GPU prices make them easy to spot. The problem is that anything you sell for an "appropriate" price will cost you twice what its true value is to replace it. 

I thought it looked decent running Haven at 3,150Mhz core even if only at 1080P. So I was like dang either way it ain’t bad for $1,550. My 4090 cannot do that lol. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I thought it looked decent running Haven at 3,150Mhz core even if only at 1080P. So I was like dang either way it ain’t bad for $1,550. My 4090 cannot do that lol. 

It is always a silicon lottery on the core and often the memory for all brands. You get lucky or you don't no matter what you buy. It might be a superior silicon sample, but not because it is an overpriced Strix, just a matter of random luck.

 

It's unfortunate that paying extra for a Strix doesn't actually allow any degree of confidence for realizing anything more for your money than an ASUS Dual, MSI Ventus, PNY XLR8 or Windforce other than a bit more garish than normal amounts of rainbow puke and candy-colored splash accents, and a freakishly large metal shroud to make it heavier and more likely to tear memory and core BGA solder pads off the PCB.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Since KDC2 came out, I’ve been doing some serious gaming sessions, so then I decided to pull my RTX 4090 Gaming OC for a quick dusting and checking. My power cable, and power plug look great! No dongles, no extensions, no adapters. All is well! 😃
 

 

 

Looking mean and clean.

 

The problem will always be the connectors look good till they don't but I also think the issue gets overblown and those who take good care of their cards will on average be ok.

 

 

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Since KDC2 came out, I’ve been doing some serious gaming sessions, so then I decided to pull my RTX 4090 Gaming OC for a quick dusting and checking. My power cable, and power plug look great! No dongles, no extensions, no adapters. All is well! 😃
 

 

nice, lets hope it stays that way for all of us! just be sure not to check excessively, lots of other users did regular checks of their cable, thus adding wear and tear with each (re)plug and only then causing damage 😄 

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Both of my 4090s still look fine and they both have a Thermal Grizzly WireView in the GPU socket. My hope is that if the cables ever melt they will melt into the WireView socket and leave the GPU socket alone. The one in the Ryzen build uses the 12VHPWR cable included with the Corsair PSU and the Apex build uses the 12VHPWR cable included with the Thermaltake Toughpower. The 3090 Ti is also still looking normal and it uses the Corsair PSU 12VHPWR cable connected directly to the GPU. I have no reason to believe that any of them will melt since they have not even though I have pushed close to 700W through the wimpy 12VHPWR connectors on both of the 4090s numerous times, but the possibility is never forgotten or dismissed.

 

wouldnt worry about the 3090Ti, Ampere actually had load balancing built in. they regressed with 40 and 50 series on that front, as reported by Roman. thats why we didnt see any melting cables with the 3090 / 3090 Ti, even though they were also running insane wattages with the XOC vbios versions.

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

wouldnt worry about the 3090Ti, Ampere actually had load balancing built in. they regressed with 40 and 50 series on that front, as reported by Roman. thats why we didnt see any melting cables with the 3090 / 3090 Ti, even though they were also running insane wattages with the XOC vbios versions.

Newer is always better newer. 😉

[tps3443]

This dude on overclock.net has just reappeared. He has now just sent me an invoice for $1,550. However, I cannot pay it for some reason. It gives me an error on my PC and on my phone. I have never had this happen before. And now it all feels extremely suspicious. I don’t understand why he can’t just send me his PayPal so I can just pay for it. 
 

I’ve paid invoices before. I feel like something is up. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

This dude on overclock.net has just reappeared. He has now just sent me an invoice for $1,550. However, I cannot pay it for some reason. It gives me an error on my PC and on my phone. I have never had this happen before. And now it all feels extremely suspicious. I don’t understand why he can’t just send me his PayPal so I can just pay for it. 
 

I’ve paid invoices before. I feel like something is up. 

I will see if I can find the thread and see who he is. Is he a longtime member with feedback from other sales transactions? If not, then definitely something to approach with great caution. Is he in the US or another country? I ask because problems are harder to resolve with legal action if one of the parties is not a US citizen and they can often get away with scams and shenanigans scott-free. I've been scammed twice by sales on eBay to individuals in China and eBay was worthless. I did not get paid for what was sold.

 

Edit: I found it. Looks like he has been part of the community for a long time. His user profile shows a decent amount of recent unrelated forum activity and he is in Louisiana. So no huge red flags. He has no buyer or seller feedback, but lots of people do not. There is always a first time for everyone. Maybe see if you can talk to the guy by phone and work it out. Any reasonable person would agree to that.

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/asus-rog-strix-gaming-rtx-4090-oc-edition-24gb-gddr6x-gpu.1814813/

 

 

Edited Monday at 07:17 PM by Mr. Fox
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[jaybee83]

phsew my wife just pulled me back from the edge.

 

situation: i just found an MSI RTX 5090 Gaming X Trio for about +10% the price i was willing to pay for a Suprim SOC.

 

not quite what i initially wanted, but close enough and the review i found attested it solid cooling performance. plus, its in stock, would be shipping by end of this week and +10% is "ok" in the current situation.

 

BUT since were hyper-enthusiasts and easily get lost in our freakshow here, i asked for her advice on this. her reply: nope, if u do this now, ull regret it in a few months time, once the Suprim SOC becomes available at "ok" prices.

 

and u know what? shes right, ill keep that card for minimum two years and gonna spend a fortune on it either way. so lets do this right... keep the search going!

 

in any case, im just happy now i finally found a card in stock and with an "ok" price. plus im seeing more and more price drops from the scalpers on ebay. are we FINALLY holding strong, guys?!?! is this the turn of the tide? if so then I am SO

 

 

of you and all of us! keep it up! 🙂 

[Papusan]

On 2/16/2025 at 6:36 AM, Papusan said:

 

Disgusting seeing AMD try match equal Sku price point from Nvidia. This won't go well. There aint enough AMD fanboys to defend this stupid move (if correct) from AMD. 

 

On 2/16/2025 at 5:51 PM, Papusan said:

AMD don't price their own cards themself. They use Nvidia's prices for own graphics cards. That's disgusting. 

 

This is like sweet music in the ears for AMD. Close to $1000 for xx70Ti cards is more the norm now. And $899 is the cheap budget cards.

 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-prime-msrp-card-now-listed-at-899-by-two-us-retailers

 

Edit. If  AMD could sell their 9070 XT at $600 they could own the whole mid end market. Even with close to $650.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

in any case, im just happy now i finally found a card in stock and with an "ok" price. plus im seeing more and more price drops from the scalpers on ebay. are we FINALLY holding strong, guys?!?! is this the turn of the tide? if so then I am SO

 

of you and all of us! keep it up! 🙂 

Good things come to those that wait...

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

This is like sweet music in the ears for AMD. Close to $1000 for xx70Ti cards is more the norm. And $899 is the budget cards.

 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-prime-msrp-card-now-listed-at-899-by-two-us-retailers

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

phsew my wife just pulled me back from the edge.

Being pulled back from the edge is always preferred to falling over the edge.

Especially when it is such a long way to the bottom.

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Looks like the scalping nonsense is poised to strike with the sissy-boy 5070 Ti. If you want 5070 Ti pricing you'll need to wait for the baby-girl 5070 or 5060 launch.

"We don't have any 5090 or 5080 to sell, but we will sell you a 5070 Ti for the 5080 price."

 

[win32asmguy]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

phsew my wife just pulled me back from the edge.

 

situation: i just found an MSI RTX 5090 Gaming X Trio for about +10% the price i was willing to pay for a Suprim SOC.

 

not quite what i initially wanted, but close enough and the review i found attested it solid cooling performance. plus, its in stock, would be shipping by end of this week and +10% is "ok" in the current situation.

 

BUT since were hyper-enthusiasts and easily get lost in our freakshow here, i asked for her advice on this. her reply: nope, if u do this now, ull regret it in a few months time, once the Suprim SOC becomes available at "ok" prices.

 

and u know what? shes right, ill keep that card for minimum two years and gonna spend a fortune on it either way. so lets do this right... keep the search going!

 

in any case, im just happy now i finally found a card in stock and with an "ok" price. plus im seeing more and more price drops from the scalpers on ebay. are we FINALLY holding strong, guys?!?! is this the turn of the tide? if so then I am SO

 

The 5090 Trio is not a bad card, it is the one I was able to get. It is supposed to use the same PCB as the Suprim but the capacitors along the top are of a different height so it may not be compatible with a water block designed for the Suprim or Vanguard.

 

People here are still willing to pay inflated MSRP prices (tariffs or not) and for bundles with sometimes over 1000usd of extra overpriced components.

[Papusan]

 

Early in the 5090 lifespan (almost no cards) but this new card will follow in 4090's foot-steps. Not many will be equal lucky as this one. Pc repair shops will have good  time forwards.

 

For the GeForce RTX 4090 melting issues has come into the background with the new 5090. However, if more and more GeForce RTX 5090s get into the hands of buyers and more reports of damaged 12VHPWR/12V-2x6 emerge, this could become an even bigger problem for NVIDIA. So double trouble. Yup, I don't talk about a cable with twins of the disaster connector. Maybe not so easy for Nvidia to come away with it this this time🙂

 

Maybe fake... But we will see smoke and fire with the 5090's forwards.

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks like the scalping nonsense is poised to strike with the sissy-boy 5070 Ti. If you want 5070 Ti pricing you'll need to wait for the baby-girl 5070 or 5060 launch.

 

Does it look much better from AMD if the prices is close to be real? What English word can surpass and replace Disgusting?

 

ASUS Radeon PRIME RX 9070 XT listed in Spain for 1,195 euros (RX 9070 for 1,009 euros)

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Does it look much better from AMD if the prices is close to be real? What English word can surpass and replace Disgusting?

Nope. Did I expect for anyone to be smart about it, or for anything to make good sense? Nope.

 

Some of the smartest people that I have ever seen become bat$hit crazy when graphics cards are involved.

 

The A$$zeus tax seems to be an extra $350 no matter the model, price tag or performance tier. Now all brands have joined the party. It's called the "let's screw everyone dumb enough to let us" party.

 

We're all invited to their nasty glory hole paper launches. They are using toilet paper instead of cardboard this time. It burns faster and produces less soot.

[jaybee83]

9 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

The 5090 Trio is not a bad card, it is the one I was able to get. It is supposed to use the same PCB as the Suprim but the capacitors along the top are of a different height so it may not be compatible with a water block designed for the Suprim or Vanguard.

 

People here are still willing to pay inflated MSRP prices (tariffs or not) and for bundles with sometimes over 1000usd of extra overpriced components.

 

fun fact, the trio is still available today 😄 also found a ventus in stock for ~500€ less. interesting that nobody seems to be biting. 

[Mr. Fox]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

What English word can surpass and replace Disgusting?

Maybe the word "repulsive." It really all depends on the accentuation and emphasis upon tone and pronunciation at the point of delivery.

 

If done properly, a completely innocuous word that doesn't even make good sense in the context you use it can be hurled as a verbal assault, delivered in an insulting manner that sounds like the most vile and offensive filth that ever spewed from a person's lips.

 

Examples:

That note plucking bucket is a lime-scented candle-licker.

She is just another caramelized acetone-tumbling skillet.