*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[jaybee83]

4 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Newer has to be better. Always bro @Mr. Fox 

 

New Nvidia drivers improve performance in benchmarks, but crashes and gaming issues remain

Up to 8% better performance in 3DMark Steel Nomad

 

If the new crashes are widespread, they represent a potentially serious setback to Nvidia's efforts to fight bugs that first emerged with the RTX 50 series launch. For months, users have reported frequent game crashes and instances where Windows boots into a black screen after installing drivers intended for the new GPUs.

 

See also my previous post below....

 

 

 

 

 

yeaaaah F that, staying on 572.83 for the time being 😄 now that i think about it, the meager perf. increase in AW2 is probably due to the shitty drivers....

[tps3443]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

@tps3443 I had a chance to really push my guildie's 5090 FE and that thing just does not respond well (as it shouldn't) to any real OC/D2D/low noise profiles. Heat and pull had it sitting sub 3.1ghz and routinely under 3ghz even gaming making it more of a UV king than an OC card. We ended up with a curve of .0925 and about 2875mhz +3000 when finished on his FE that, in his words, "wow, I didn't realize it could run this much quieter when gaming." Temps were still hitting about 72c but the noise had dropped dramatically. Of course less fan noise means any coil whine really will present itself front and center...

 

Astral will sit at +3000 3150-3250 all day gaming, fans at sub 50% temps at sub 66 all day everyday....

....This is the way.

 

Oh and as I had to tell him after a few runs/tests and a few protests from him, "No my good sir, THAT is coil whine and a healthy amount of it too!" His 5090 FE has that seesaw coil whine that is immediate return/resell levels. When it squealed on GT2 I had him pull up up Deus Ex MD benchmark to run and it sounded like someone was trying to mug it in an alleyway.  He isn't phased by the coil whine at all though.

 

Him "So I take it you don't want to trade +1400?"

Me "I think we both know the answer to that"

Him "I don't really think the coil whine is bad. I don't really hear it."

Me "Well, we're both not spring chickens so maybe your hearing is going"

Him "Eh? What did you say?" (Mockingly holding hand up to ear)

 

(Followed by about 2 minutes of continuous laughter)

 

 

 

 

If he wants an Astral, I would just tell your buddy to sell his 5090FE and go buy an Astral, he doesn’t need yours. He can get $3,500 for his FE no problem. The market on these FE’s has gone up substantially on eBay. And he would not have to add any money at all. And even if he could not find an MSRP Astral, he has $1,400 he’s trying to add, so he can just go buy one of the $4,399 dollar Scalper Astrals on eBay and add much less cash.

 

[Papusan]

 

The trend....

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

 

If he wants an Astral, I would just tell your buddy to just sell his 5090FE and go buy an Astral. He can get $3,500 for it no problem. The market on these FE’s has gone up substantially on eBay. And he would not have to add any money at all. And even if he could not find an MSRP Astral, he has $1,400 he’s trying to add, so he can just go buy one of the $4,500 dollar Astrals and add much less cash.

 

 

That is EXACTLY what I told him to do! 🤣 but he doesn't like the idea of having extended downtime looking for an Astral at MSRP with current market conditions. If you find someone who wants to trade an Astral (either model) for a 5090 FE, let me know. I can't think of anyone who would want to do that seeing as the Astral is superior across the board except in price, but you never know.

 

BB did have a drop on the 17th of 5080 FE and 5090 FE and people did get the call for VPA this last week as noted before so they're back to dropping them so that's a good sign. Glad to see BB back in the loop too so they're pumping them out.

 

If I was him I would sell that coil whine monster for $3.5k and wait for an Astral to drop to snag it.

 

The fact the FE's sell for $3.5k isn't because they're an FE. It is because ALL 5090's command at least that much regardless of model.

 

Scary to think they used to sell for $6k+ at one point. Shows the market is still normalizing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

45 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

The fact the FE's sell for $3.5k isn't because they're an FE. It is because ALL 5090's command at least that much regardless of model.

 

It's a about feelings. Not many here home so the prices is awful high. The cards is very rare. So it has to be top quality. I would like a FE but for MSRP. Not a dime above. But not in a small chassis. They cook there. In my big black box they could at least breath.

 

Right in time for 5090🙂

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

It's a about feelings. Not many here home so the prices is awful high. The cards is very rare. So it has to be top quality. I would like a FE but for MSRP. Not a dime above. But not in a small chassis. They cook there. In my big black box they could at least breath.

 

Right in time for 5090

 

 

Agreed, there is zero argument for price:performance for the FE models relatively speaking. 5090 FE is crazy sleek IMHO (I just love the way 5080/5090 FE's look), SFF ready (you're gonna need a direct pass through to immediately vent all that heat) and the price can't be beat. Those are its strengths hands down, no questions asked.

 

My original list still remains: FE, Suprim, Astral. I'd be happy with any of them and for different reasons for each.

 

Wow, a blast from the past! Cablemod strikes again.

 

 

[Papusan]

28 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Agreed, there is zero argument for price:performance for the FE models relatively speaking. 5090 FE is crazy sleek IMHO (I just love the way 5080/5090 FE's look), SFF ready (you're gonna need a direct pass through to immediately vent all that heat) and the price can't be beat. Those are its strengths hands down, no questions asked.

 

My original list still remains: FE, Suprim, Astral. I'd be happy with any of them and for different reasons for each.

 

Wow, a blast from the past! Cablemod strikes again.

 

 

 

Same as with the 40 series... If you find an FE at $2000 you get your money back. The only nice with this disaster. Bro Fox going with cheaper Radeon XT he got his value. Because this newer from nvidia  is awful reading.

 

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

That is EXACTLY what I told him to do! 🤣 but he doesn't like the idea of having extended downtime looking for an Astral at MSRP with current market conditions. If you find someone who wants to trade an Astral (either model) for a 5090 FE, let me know. I can't think of anyone who would want to do that seeing as the Astral is superior across the board except in price, but you never know.

 

BB did have a drop on the 17th of 5080 FE and 5090 FE and people did get the call for VPA this last week as noted before so they're back to dropping them so that's a good sign. Glad to see BB back in the loop too so they're pumping them out.

 

If I was him I would sell that coil whine monster for $3.5k and wait for an Astral to drop to snag it.

 

The fact the FE's sell for $3.5k isn't because they're an FE. It is because ALL 5090's command at least that much regardless of model.

 

Scary to think they used to sell for $6k+ at one point. Shows the market is still normalizing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@electrosoft You might be under Asus’s ROG spell. He would have to be nuts to fork over a 5090FE and $1,400 for an Astral. I think 99% of Astral owners cannot buy a FE for $1,999 so they go this route >  (I’m already getting hosed at $2,900+ for a Ventus so let me just get hosed for $3,359 on the Astral INSTEAD)
 

All I know is this..I would not pay + anything over my FE for an Astral unless It was the only option @electrosoft you should steer this guy straight he should keep his 5090FE and learn to love it. Or maybe just trade him.. You could literally swap with this guy and build an entire custom loop inside a brand new anything case you wanted and fold your own Astral with the ultra silent watercooled FE 🫠. Of course the Astral runs higher clocks right now, it’s the size of a bus man. Add a block to both the FE and the Astral and what are the benefits of the Astral….

I mean, I can run CB2077 RT+PT with nice clocks of 3,075Mhz@550 watts even with a higher core temp of 72c, and with rasterized games that are like Unigine heaven typically I can push as high as 3.2Ghz@64c. 
 

Below are some examples of my FE. Worst case scenario is Ray Tracing with Path Tracing auto fan 72c@3,075Mhz@550 watts. Better case scenario is faster fan speed and 3.2Ghz in rasterized gaming scenario. That’s a +425 offset on the core in Unigine Haven 4K. The thing clocks to the moon, it’s just waiting for temp algorithm to be in its favor. 😁
 

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Astral owners cannot buy a FE for $1,999 so they go this route >  (I’m already getting hosed at $2,900+ for a Ventus so let me just get hosed for $3,359 on the Astral INSTEAD)

 

People are sick of the prices. $3000+ for graphics cards (you don't use it for work) is awful. Of course 2000$ cards from Nvidia is tempting. And Nvidia know it. The perfect price point for futher scalping (move cards over to China).

[tps3443]

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

People are sick of the prices. $3000+ for graphics cards (you don't use it for work) is awful. Of course 2000$ cards from Nvidia is tempting. And Nvidia know it. The perfect price point for futher scalping (move cards over to China).

Yeah it’s ridiculous. They need to make more of them. I’d give in too just like anyone else would and I’d also own an Astral lol. I think it’s what we would all end up with if given the choice to spend over 3K. I think prices in the US are even worse than your pricing and that’s a first right? I think I’m going to be watercooling my 5090. I hope EKWB does not fail us with the FE block. I have not seen anyone with one just yet. But I’m waiting. 

[tps3443]

This is with voltage slider turned up and power limit at 104%. So 3,270Mhz at 64c. I think these things on water and shunt mod would be absolute rippers. 

 

[Papusan]

 

Here is I hear bro @jaybee83 Only buy cards if it looks good in your box. Hence he went with Supriiiiim🤩

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

@tps3443 this is your one friendly wall of text to answer all your posts. 🤣

 

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You gotta stop bro! This has always been your Achilles heel. 🤣 You will "Gosh Golly!" a product you own to S tier like a pro! 🤣

 

Yeah, I saw the FE at 104% +3000 in sustained action and those fans had to RIP and it couldn't sustain the clocks long term playing even Fallout76 at 4k Ultra which hits much lighter than WoW. With a good UV it is giving you the bulk of that performance at much better, sane temps and less noise. That is where it shines to compensate for the lack of cooling vs an AIB (and MSRP price). That's the problem. It isn't in the same league on every level in terms of cooling. It just isn't. Physics have spoken. Optimal cooling is not its strength. I spent over two hours working with his and him with mine and in the end, he wanted to trade even more.

 

Even at stock, my 5080 FE can spin up like a champ gaming and it's almost half the power draw of a 5090 FE which is only packing ~250g more mass internally than a 5080 FE.

 

See that WoW shot from earlier? I left it there running and the clocks were pegged to 3262mhz the entire time with temps never breaking ~63c. That is +3000/+400 and PL 100%, voltage +00.

 

I haven't even touched increasing power levels or voltages yet in all of my testing so far.

 

The strength of the 5090 FE has been and will remain its compact size and ability to contain that heat adequately enough to perform to spec at a proper MSRP.  It's very design screams for a UV which you dialed in nicely. Take the win on that one.

 

When the XOC BIOS hits the Suprims and Astrals are ready as shown already with the shunt modded Astral able to handle 1000w on 100% fans and still sit at 70c. Think about that......

 

Playing WoW with a daily profile hitting +3000mem / +400 3262mhz no PL/V adjustments, temps stopping at ~66.8c and fans sitting at 50% or less and leaving the 9800X3D choking for air to try and keep up with it. This MAY change if I can find harder hitting spots that can tap out the 5090 at max settings.

 

Think about that....

 

Blocking it? Yeah, that levels everything but there is no way I'm tearing apart an FE to block it. Then it loses everything magical and unique that makes it an FE. I'd run the FE immediately with a UV and have fun testing it in SFF builds when it wasn't in my desktop doing a perfectly average job but doing it well enough. I've discussed this numerous times in my breakdown on my preferred 5090 models. FE is price and compact size = SFF dream card. Astral = cooling and all the little extra bells and whistles including pin monitoring. Suprim because I like MSI and it fits nicely (or did) right in the middle price wise and I love its design too and it has a pretty beefy heatsink also. I think all three cards look fantastic and FE price is MSRP so saving ~$1400 always feels nice. 🙂

 

Did you miss the part where any thoughts of trading with him IMMEDIATELY went out the window when I heard that coil whine. I'm not sure if it wasn't a mix of coil whine and the electrical noise that's been reported. I know on my 5080 FE I didn't hear anything even remotely close to what his 5090 FE sounded like. I actually was on YT trying to find similar coil whine. It was close to my 3090 FE. I haven't heard yours yet at >200fps yet, but I know it can't sound like his (or does it?).

 

Low to no coil whine is my #1 criteria. I've said this for years and that will never change. It could be the most golden of golden samples hitting 3500mhz out of the box spitting out Jensen signed leather jackets and I would still jettison it ASAP if it has too much coil whine. It could be the worst clocker in the history of 5090s, but if it has no coil whine at all I'm all in and would keep it no questions asked.

 

I was literally holding my breath with my Astral when I pulled up TS the first time because at that moment you will immediately know if you have a quiet card or a coil monster nightmare. If it had bad coil whine, I would have returned it immediately and sullenly waited for another FE, Suprim or Astral at MSRP to cross my path.

 

I guess your logic is to trade for the 5090 FE, resell it, pocket the $$$ and wait to pick up either another 5090 FE, Suprim or Astral at MSRP and play the noise/coil whine slot machine again? Plus we don't know where the markets are going right now either? No thank you on that.

 

 

[jaybee83]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Here is I hear bro @jaybee83 Only buy cards if it looks good in your box. Hence he went with Supriiiiim🤩

 

 

function over form! 😄 first and foremost, i got the Suprim because of its superior cooling, the sleek non-gamery looks only came in second 😛 

 

 

but yeah, as i said before: when spending this ridonkulous amount of money, i make sure i get what i actually want, and not just "anything that is currently available".

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

function over form! 😄 first and foremost, i got the Suprim because of its superior cooling, the sleek non-gamery looks only came in second 😛 

 

 

but yeah, as i said before: when spending this ridonkulous amount of money, i make sure i get what i actually want, and not just "anything that is currently available".

 

This in spades.

 

Get *exactly* what you want within the criteria you want.

 

There was a reason I had the FE, Suprim and Astral (small, medium, large) on my list with their own criteria each. I said it months ago, whichever one drops first at MSRP I'll grab it.

 

Only exception really is if you plan on blocking the card then grab the cheapest one possible that supports cross vBIOS flashing and the block you want and go.

 

This test is noise normalized so not exactly representative of top end cooling, but it still gives you a very strong idea of controlled cooler strength.

 

Like I said @tps3443 you can't out argue physics. 🤣

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

thats ok, as long as everyone's happy with their purchase we can focus on crapping all over NGreedia 😄 

 

so, enough benching / stress testing / tuning for now, first gaming session with the 5090 tonight 🙂 

 

damn, turns out there really are unlucky 5090 owners who cant even get +2000 stable on their vRAM:

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29436244/

 

imagine having such a dud of a card 😅

 

as for core oc, looks like i got lucky again this time around, not seeing many ppl who can do more than +320 on the core, let alone 350+ stable.

[tps3443]

7 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

function over form! 😄 first and foremost, i got the Suprim because of its superior cooling, the sleek non-gamery looks only came in second 😛 

 

 

but yeah, as i said before: when spending this ridonkulous amount of money, i make sure i get what i actually want, and not just "anything that is currently available".

I think I just got lucky with my sample (95c is absolutely nuts for a 5090FE).  This is after an hour playing at 4K+200% resolution scale, in a closed case, so 8K resolution with auto fans. It is pegged at 575+ watts, and it does not go past 49% fan speed. My case is fantastic though. 

(No undervolting, no tuning and it is pure insane for a 2 slot GPU) 




 

[electrosoft]

47 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

damn, turns out there really are unlucky 5090 owners who cant even get +2000 stable on their vRAM:

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29436244/

 

imagine having such a dud of a card 😅

 

as for core oc, looks like i got lucky again this time around, not seeing many ppl who can do more than +320 on the core, let alone 350+ stable.

 

I honestly did not think a 5090 could NOT do +3000 hmmmm....

 

I haven't really collected a lot of data yet, but I also assumed everybody could do at least +300 (I assumed every 5090 out of the box could at least do +3000/+300 as a starting point) and most could do +350. I can do +3000 / +350 with zero PL/V adjustments and that is just how I've been running it the last few days rock solid with PX1. I was going to start testing for max PL sliders / voltage next week to find the "hard stuff"

 

That was my bad for not collecting results like I normally do with CPUs......

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

2 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I honestly did not think a 5090 could NOT do +3000 hmmmm....

 

I haven't really collected a lot of data yet, but I also assumed everybody could do at least +300 (I assumed every 5090 out of the box could at least do +3000/+300 as a starting point) and most could do +350. I can do +3000 / +350 with zero PL/V adjustments and that is just how I've been running it the last few days rock solid with PX1. I was going to start testing for max PL sliders / voltage next week to find the "hard stuff"

 

That was my bad for not collecting results like I normally do with CPUs......

 

 

 

 

Some cannot do it unfortunately. I have seen it is mostly common on Gigabyte models for some reason. 

[jaybee83]

1 minute ago, electrosoft said:

 

I honestly did not think a 5090 could NOT do +3000 hmmmm....

 

I haven't really collected a lot of data yet, but I also assumed everybody could do at least +300 (I assumed every 5090 out of the box could at least do +3000/+300 as a starting point) and most could do +350. I can do +3000 / +350 with zero PL/V adjustments and that is just how I've been running it the last few days rock solid with PX1. I was going to start testing for max PL sliders / voltage next week to find the "hard stuff"

 

That was my bad for not collecting results like I normally do with CPUs......

 

 

 

 

 

keep me in the loop as to your results when u get to the "hard stuff" 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

That would be totally unacceptable. I would return it for a refund or an exchange. Accepting a bad hand in the silicon lottery is just not tolerable with a GPU that costs $3,000+ and the "sorry, no guarantees as long as it runs stock" is pure bull crap. That wouldn't fly with me for even a hot second.

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[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

keep me in the loop as to your results when u get to the "hard stuff" 😄 

 

Maybe "fun stuff" would have been more appropriate.... 🤣

 

 

 

[Papusan]

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That would be totally unacceptable. I would return it for a refund or an exchange. Accepting a bad hand in the silicon lottery is just not tolerable with a GPU that costs $3,000+ and the "sorry, no guarantees as long as it runs stock" is pure bull crap. That wouldn't fly with me for even a hot second.

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Nice seeing good old quality still offer best value. And no trash connector on the PSU panel. Best of both worlds. 

 

Maybe no one should buy newest tech? Keep what you already have or try the used market (you can always find some ok'ish deals). But one thing for sure... Even an small tariff bethween US and China trade will make PC components more expensive... Years forwards. And as always... New added tax isn't easy to get rid off. And tax isn't inflation. That will come on top. For everyone around the world. 

 

AMD's Radeon 9070 XT is great, but I still wouldn't buy a new GPU

Logitech prices are increasing by as much as 25%, and they're not alone

 

I have never seen Zotac fail so hard with their newest GPU flagship... Previous flagship from Zotac come with triple 110mm large cooling fans. I just can't grasp the reason for going with 3 tiny small 95 mm fans for a card that now max out the 12V-2x6 connector. Newer has to be better. Always. 

 

GeForce RTX 5090 Custom review: ZOTAC RTX 5090 AMP Extreme Infinity

[tps3443]

I picked up one of these amperage meters to test load balancing on my 5090FE. I’m seriously curious too! I wish I’d have done this on my 4090 for comparison. 
 

The photo below is not mine but off of Reddit. 
 

[Papusan]

A short brief at the latest tech...

 

Intel want that you pay more to come closer in performance vs previous gen. This won't work. Too expensive and with a platform that is close to EOL. Why now? Want to get rid of chips no one want?

Tested: 'Intel 200S Boost' yields 7% gaming performance increase, covered by warranty

 

And Nvidia think this is an good idea. Nvidia screw gamers.... Of course Nvidia didn't want these new 8GB cards for reviews.

 

Yup, the 8GB ASUS GeForce RTX 5060 Ti Prime OC cost $458 without tax here home. Or $571,98 USD with the obligatory 25% tax. This for brand new 8GB graphics cards. And that one isn't the most expensive you find here. The ASUS GeForce RTX 5060 Ti TUF - 8GB cost wopping $620 with tax. Nasty. Or better say scam.

 

And why brand it RTX and not GTX ? The new 8GB cards isn't usuful for Ray tracing with modern games.