*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

So I've been putting my Macbook Pro 16 M4 Max (Full fat 16 core CPU, 40 core GPU) through the ringer tonight with World of Warcraft 4k Ultra.

 

It's......playable. In my benchmark spots it is about as powerful as a 9070xt with both having RT off since WoW doesn't support RT in MacOS 9070xt is clocking in around 140fps while the M4 is clocking in around 130fps.

 

Another case of theoretical vs actual once that CPU gets sauced....

 

Problem is in raids the M4 tanks to the 50s and 40s in many spots while the 9070xt consistently keeps it in the 80+ range so once you introduce that player data M4 Max starts to take a pounding.

 

That is now the M4, 5080 and 5090 not handling the lows as well as the 9070xt but I will say the M4 stays pretty smooth even at those low fps...

 

Don't let anyone ever tell you the Macbook fans don't have some punch to them....  😁

 

 

[tps3443]

31 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

So I've been putting my Macbook Pro 16 M4 Max (Full fat 16 core CPU, 40 core GPU) through the ringer tonight with World of Warcraft 4k Ultra.

 

It's......playable. In my benchmark spots it is about as powerful as a 9070xt with both having RT off since WoW doesn't support RT in MacOS 9070xt is clocking in around 140fps while the M4 is clocking in around 130fps.

 

Another case of theoretical vs actual once that CPU gets sauced....

 

Problem is in raids the M4 tanks to the 50s and 40s in many spots while the 9070xt consistently keeps it in the 80+ range so once you introduce that player data M4 Max starts to take a pounding.

 

That is now the M4, 5080 and 5090 not handling the lows as well as the 9070xt but I will say the M4 stays pretty smooth even at those low fps...

 

Don't let anyone ever tell you the Macbook fans don't have some punch to them....  😁

 

 

Definitely good enough for what it is! When did you buy that? I love the MacBook premium feel! No other laptop can match the feel of a MacBook and their marketing reels in even the best of us when we get bored and wanna try something different! Battery life is killer good, and OS long term fluidity is also another strong point. I another thing with MacBooks is their unplugged performance will be faster than probably even 5090 laptops on battery. They have some strong advantages either way. I like them, they last years and years and do well on holding value. We still have a M1 MacBook Air with 16GB/1TB I gave it to my daughter for Christmas last year. Never have to worry about OS cleanups or typical slowdowns on Windows machines. If Apple can keep focusing on the gamer genre for Mac they will have a future market! They already have a store front for games “Apple Arcade” and also “The App Store” they need to get these Devs to works and port these AAA titles properly! That machine you have there is probably something you can actually play games on sitting in your lap casually, unlike most 4090/5090 laptops that would be like wielding a microwave oven on your lap. 

[Mr. Fox]

So @jaybee83 below are the SP ratings for one 9950X and the 9950X3D. Whenever I have a good reason to disturb the CPU in the AORUS Master I will drop it in the Strix for screenshots unless I can find those I took when that CPU was in the Gene.

 

After spending many wasted hours with it, trying three different BIOS versions, two clean installs of Winduhz and four known excellent and stable memory kits, and almost wrongly concluding the Strix was a piece of trash, to be certain I put this 9950X into the Strix in place of the 9950X3D and the immediate and overwhelmingly obvious conclusion is the 9950X3D is a worthless and extremely disappointing piece of trash. I am sending it back to Amazon for a refund.

 

In spite of its acceptable SP120 it overclocks poorly on CPU and memory. It cannot run tight memory timings at any clock speed and it constantly freezes or throws BSOD in Windows with any memory overclock above 7600. Latency is horrid and I could not tighten things up enough to get below about 62ns in AIDA64. So, it is as worthless as teats on a bull to me. Cinebench R23 scores are about 5000 points less at matched clock speeds. Highest R23 score I could get was a bit over 42K and Windows froze when I tried to take a screenshot of it. Clock-for-clock it is a slower CPU, not faster. And I don't give a rat's ass about how it plays games.

 

So @jaybee83 your Hero motherboard might be totally stable at 8000+ RAM speeds if your 9950X3D is as much of a piece of garbage as this dungheap that is going back to Amazon. Curiosity box checked now. Don't care about X3D just like I didn't care before I got curious. Horrible product if you like overclocking.  Absolutely not worth $699 by any stretch of the imagination. To borrow the expression from Steve at GN... "a waste of sand" from AMD. Maybe I drew a short straw in the Ryzen lottery. Not going to waste any more calories on it.

 

Buh-bye X3D turd CPU. So glad I didn't already delid it. Also glad I didn't wrongly blame the Strix for sucky overclocking. It's actually very good and almost a match to the AORUS Master. Gigabyte is still beating ASUS on motherboard design and features. The only benefit the Strix has that the Master lacks is a questionably useful SP-rating. In terms of performance they are a tie.

 

 

Things are as they should be. Scores are essentially identical to the AORUS Master.

[tps3443]

EKWB just shipped my waterblock. It took 2 days. lol. 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Definitely good enough for what it is! When did you buy that? I love the MacBook premium feel! No other laptop can match the feel of a MacBook and their marketing reels in even the best of us when we get bored and wanna try something different! Battery life is killer good, and OS long term fluidity is also another strong point. I another thing with MacBooks is their unplugged performance will be faster than probably even 5090 laptops on battery. They have some strong advantages either way. I like them, they last years and years and do well on holding value. We still have a M1 MacBook Air with 16GB/1TB I gave it to my daughter for Christmas last year. Never have to worry about OS cleanups or typical slowdowns on Windows machines. If Apple can keep focusing on the gamer genre for Mac they will have a future market! They already have a store front for games “Apple Arcade” and also “The App Store” they need to get these Devs to works and port these AAA titles properly! That machine you have there is probably something you can actually play games on sitting in your lap casually, unlike most 4090/5090 laptops that would be like wielding a microwave oven on your lap. 

 

 

I upgraded from my M1 Pro I've used for years and before that an Intel Macbook 15 and before that a Macbook Pro 17.  You do know my "real job" is/was Obj-C dev work and now a mix of Obj-C and Swift right? 🤣

 

I love PCs, but I loved Apple first. I've used Macs since my first Mac Plus was given to me by my mom back in 86. Also had an SE/30. When I went to college, I had a 7100/66 Power Mac and then a Dual G5 tower before moving onto a Cheese Grater Xeon before finally just using Macbooks exclusively.

 

I've also used iPads since launch and iphones since launch. Still rocking a M1 12.9" ipad because quite frankly it is more than fast enough but the way iPadOS 26 is shaping up to take on more Mac like features, if Apple converges their gaming pursuits properly to support the ipad and Mac (both run M4's now which is crazy) along with their promised gaming push from the WWDC, we might see something from devs. Best bet for Apple is to target releases from the iphone through the Mac.

 

I rock an iphone 16 pro max and gave my 14 pro max to the wife to upgrade from her X which was also originally mine that I upgraded from a 7 plus and before that a 5 and before that a 4, 3g and the original on AT&T.

 

I usually stick to PC talk in here though for the most part. Just thought I would drop a little WoW on M4 Max nugget since I spew forth so much WoW benchmarks and info on the PC side..(in case you didn't notice).

 

And yes, project compile times are wrecking my M1 Pro and while it isn't spitting out insane fps in WoW, it is completely playable and the fans are audible in compiles too but NOTHING like any of my gaming PC laptops.

 

I will say this one is definitely much louder than my M1 Pro though under load and gets much warmer stressed but that is to expected. M1 Pro stays pretty silent because it ran so much cooler overall as M4 has upped the heat and power draw ante.

 

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

EKWB just shipped my waterblock. It took 2 days. lol. 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

 

Now that is good news! Can'd (sadly) wait for the tear down and results! You still have your chiller right?

 

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

So @jaybee83 below are the SP ratings for one 9950X and the 9950X3D. Whenever I have a good reason to disturb the CPU in the AORUS Master I will drop it in the Strix for screenshots unless I can find those I took when that CPU was in the Gene.

 

After spending many wasted hours with it, trying three different BIOS versions, two clean installs of Winduhz and four known excellent and stable memory kits, and almost wrongly concluding the Strix was a piece of trash, to be certain I put this 9950X into the Strix in place of the 9950X3D and the immediate and overwhelmingly obvious conclusion is the 9950X3D is a worthless and extremely disappointing piece of trash. I am sending it back to Amazon for a refund.

 

In spite of its acceptable SP120 it overclocks poorly on CPU and memory. It cannot run tight memory timings at any clock speed and it constantly freezes or throws BSOD in Windows with any memory overclock above 7600. Latency is horrid and I could not tighten things up enough to get below about 62ns in AIDA64. So, it is as worthless as teats on a bull to me. Cinebench R23 scores are about 5000 points less at matched clock speeds. Highest R23 score I could get was a bit over 42K and Windows froze when I tried to take a screenshot of it. Clock-for-clock it is a slower CPU, not faster. And I don't give a rat's ass about how it plays games.

 

So @jaybee83 your Hero motherboard might be totally stable at 8000+ RAM speeds if your 9950X3D is as much of a piece of garbage as this dungheap that is going back to Amazon. Curiosity box checked now. Don't care about X3D just like I didn't care before I got curious. Horrible product if you like overclocking.  Absolutely not worth $699 by any stretch of the imagination. To borrow the expression from Steve at GN... "a waste of sand" from AMD. Maybe I drew a short straw in the Ryzen lottery. Not going to waste any more calories on it.

 

Buh-bye X3D turd CPU. So glad I didn't already delid it. Also glad I didn't wrongly blame the Strix for sucky overclocking. It's actually very good and almost a match to the AORUS Master. Gigabyte is still beating ASUS on motherboard design and features. The only benefit the Strix has that the Master lacks is a questionably useful SP-rating. In terms of performance they are a tie.

 

 

Things are as they should be. Scores are essentially identical to the AORUS Master.

 

Really sounds like you got "working as intended and nothing more" if it is capping out at 7600. I'd ship that thing back as fast as I shipped back that first 9800X3D dud. Absolute trash chip.

 

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Best Buy has had the Astral ($3359) and the XFX Mercury 9070xt ($919) in stock for days now. These are both the most expensive AIBs for Nvidia and AMD respectively.

 

Astrals have never gone out of stock at my MC for about a week now....

 

11 different models in stock with some at 25+ 

 

PNY has now stopped saying their $3500 and $3200 cards were "on sale" at $2999 and now put them back at the lower MSRP.

 

The initial "must have" rush is over....

 

The bulk of 5090 Founders Editions on eBay are all under $3k now brand new.

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

42 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

I upgraded from my M1 Pro I've used for years and before that an Intel Macbook 15 and before that a Macbook Pro 17.  You do know my "real job" is/was Obj-C dev work and now a mix of Obj-C and Swift right? 🤣

 

I love PCs, but I loved Apple first. I've used Macs since my first Mac Plus was given to me by my mom back in 86. Also had an SE/30. When I went to college, I had a 7100/66 Power Mac and then a Dual G5 tower before moving onto a Cheese Grater Xeon before finally just using Macbooks exclusively.

 

I've also used iPads since launch and iphones since launch. Still rocking a M1 12.9" ipad because quite frankly it is more than fast enough but the way iPadOS 26 is shaping up to take on more Mac like features, if Apple converges their gaming pursuits properly to support the ipad and Mac (both run M4's now which is crazy) along with their promised gaming push from the WWDC, we might see something from devs. Best bet for Apple is to target releases from the iphone through the Mac.

 

I rock an iphone 16 pro max and gave my 14 pro max to the wife to upgrade from her X which was also originally mine that I upgraded from a 7 plus and before that a 5 and before that a 4, 3g and the original on AT&T.

 

I usually stick to PC talk in here though for the most part. Just thought I would drop a little WoW on M4 Max nugget since I spew forth so much WoW benchmarks and info on the PC side..(in case you didn't notice).

 

And yes, project compile times are wrecking my M1 Pro and while it isn't spitting out insane fps in WoW, it is completely playable and the fans are audible in compiles too but NOTHING like any of my gaming PC laptops.

 

I will say this one is definitely much louder than my M1 Pro though under load and gets much warmer stressed but that is to expected. M1 Pro stays pretty silent because it ran so much cooler overall as M4 has upped the heat and power draw ante.

 

 

 

Now that is good news! Can'd (sadly) wait for the tear down and results! You still have your chiller right?

 

 

Really sounds like you got "working as intended and nothing more" if it is capping out at 7600. I'd ship that thing back as fast as I shipped back that first 9800X3D dud. Absolute trash chip.

 

 

 

 

Wow that’s surprising. Yeah I use all Apple products except for high end PC gaming of course. I have a IPhone 13 Pro Max it is like 3 or 4 years old now lol. I kinda miss the Pro models being made of stainless steel though. Durability is killer good (I don’t use a phone case) wife is on a 15 Pro, daughter on a 13 Pro, son has a IPad Air M2, and daughter has the MacBook M1 all Great devices. Longevity is so freaking good on them. We switched to Apple mobile devices in like 2016 I think. But I ran Android before that.

 

The 5090 FE will finally be watercooled. I might not even run it on the chiller, but yes I still have it. I’m going to solder the shunt and throw block on it! I feel pretty confident I can knock past 17K in Steel Nomad. 
 

 

https://www.pcgamer.com/software/platforms/valve-does-its-homework-the-night-before-deadline-switches-steam-to-run-on-mac-chips-right-as-apple-announces-its-ditching-intel-for-good/

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Really sounds like you got "working as intended and nothing more" if it is capping out at 7600. I'd ship that thing back as fast as I shipped back that first 9800X3D dud. Absolute trash chip.

I wish I could even say that. Constant freezes and random blue screens in Windows even using BIOS defaults. Every time I tried using a web browser it would freeze. I read on ROG forums some other owners were experiencing the same after updating to the latest BIOS, but I tried the most recent and two prior BIOS versions and they were the same. I have no idea why it is not functioning correctly. If I had to take a guess, there is something not right with the 3D v-cache. Within 5 minutes of moving it from the Strix to the Master motherboard to determine if it was the CPU or the Strix mobo the Master locked up with the only changes after clearing the CMOS being disabling TPM and Secure Boot. Everything else default. So, same misbehavior on both motherboards. I could get it to do some things without freezing and I suspect those were things that didn't try to access the v-cache. Just a guess, but at this point I am past caring or trying to solve it. Clearly there is something wrong with it. Attempting to overclock the CPU and RAM simply increased the frequency and severity.

 

I put this note in the box with the RMA. Hopefully it doesn't become someone else's problem.

 

RMA Ref # --------------------

9950X3D – SN# 9MN7550P50134

This CPU is unstable. I spent 3 days struggling with frequent lock-ups in Windows and random blue screens. I did two clean installs of Windows with current AMD chipset drivers, tried four different memory kits and tried three most recent BIOS versions for the motherboard, used BIOS defaults and tried different tuning options to correct the problem. This CPU was purchased as an upgrade for my work PC. I moved the CPU to my personal (non-work) computer and the instability issues followed it to the new host computer. It might not be a good candidate to sell to another Amazon customer.

[electrosoft]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I wish I could even say that. Constant freezes and random blue screens in Windows even using BIOS defaults. Every time I tried using a web browser it would freeze. I read on ROG forums some other owners were experiencing the same after updating to the latest BIOS, but I tried the most recent and two prior BIOS versions and they were the same. I have no idea why it is not functioning correctly. If I had to take a guess, there is something not right with the 3D v-cache. Within 5 minutes of moving it from the Strix to the Master motherboard to determine if it was the CPU or the Strix mobo the Master locked up with the only changes after clearing the CMOS being disabling TPM and Secure Boot. Everything else default. So, same misbehavior on both motherboards. I could get it to do some things without freezing and I suspect those were things that didn't try to access the v-cache. Just a guess, but at this point I am past caring or trying to solve it. Clearly there is something wrong with it. Attempting to overclock the CPU and RAM simply increased the frequency and severity.

 

I put this note in the box with the RMA. Hopefully it doesn't become someone else's problem.

 

RMA Ref # --------------------

9950X3D – SN# 9MN7550P50134

This CPU is unstable. I spent 3 days struggling with frequent lock-ups in Windows and random blue screens. I did two clean installs of Windows with current AMD chipset drivers, tried four different memory kits and tried three most recent BIOS versions for the motherboard, used BIOS defaults and tried different tuning options to correct the problem. This CPU was purchased as an upgrade for my work PC. I moved the CPU to my personal (non-work) computer and the instability issues followed it to the new host computer. It might not be a good candidate to sell to another Amazon customer.

 

Oh then it really was more like my 9800X3D I sent back to da egg. Couldn't work stable past 5200. Random BSODs, anything past 2000 fclk = no boot. Odd little freezes in Windows and more. Tested on both the x670e Hero and Asrock B650 2 dimmer.

 

Second one (current) was like night and day just even in stock use.

 

For that, hopefully you put it as defective/not working so they won't (in theory) try to resell it via Amazon Renewed.

 

I'd say give another one a whirl, but that first one I can see giving you pause.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

For that, hopefully you put it as defective/not working so they won't (in theory) try to resell it via Amazon Renewed.

 

I'd say give another one a whirl, but that first one I can see giving you pause.

Yes I did select defective as the reason for return.

 

I am not sure if I am going to try another. Maybe. I have lost my curiosity for now and $699 is a lot of money for something that might offer very little in return.

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I wish I could even say that. Constant freezes and random blue screens in Windows even using BIOS defaults. Every time I tried using a web browser it would freeze. I read on ROG forums some other owners were experiencing the same after updating to the latest BIOS, but I tried the most recent and two prior BIOS versions and they were the same. I have no idea why it is not functioning correctly. If I had to take a guess, there is something not right with the 3D v-cache. 

 

I put this note in the box with the RMA. Hopefully it doesn't become someone else's problem.

 

RMA Ref # --------------------

9950X3D – SN# 9MN7550P50134

This CPU is unstable. I spent 3 days struggling with frequent lock-ups in Windows and random blue screens. I did two clean installs of Windows with current AMD chipset drivers, tried four different memory kits and tried three most recent BIOS versions for the motherboard, used BIOS defaults and tried different tuning options to correct the problem. This CPU was purchased as an upgrade for my work PC. I moved the CPU to my personal (non-work) computer and the instability issues followed it to the new host computer. It might not be a good candidate to sell to another Amazon customer.

 

Imagine next gen Intel tile mess (incl dummy tiles) with v-cashe, NPU and loads of E-cores, a few P-cores and no HT. That 9950X3D you got and sending back will look decent compared to next gen Intel. With all problems INTEL have with Core Ultra then imagine how it will be with the 3D v-cashe baked in. The silicon lottery will come on top.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Imagine next gen Intel tile mess (incl dummy tiles) with v-cashe and loads of E-cores and no HT. That 9950X3D you got and sending back will look decent compared to next gen Intel. With all problems INTEL have with Core Ultra then imagine how it will be with the 3D v-cashe. The silicon lottery will come on top.

It's quite the day we live in. Besides it being a 21st Century Sodom and Gomorrah we buy more snake oil than anyone could possibly use during the course of their life. Consumers are generally regarded as an expendable commodity rather than an important customer.  Lies and misrepresentation are a means to their end. Our happiness doesn't matter and neither does earning trust or respect for as long as we keep paying for their mistakes and continue allowing them to screw us over. These circumstances are not limited to PC hardware manufacturers and software developers, but it feels particularly bad in this realm because it matters to us. 

 

An example of snake oil is the ASUS Nitropath technology. I mention it only because it is something new that nobody continued talking about after the initial marketing campaign and hype train heralding it as a beneficial hardware feature. There aren't many boards that have it. This Strix does have it and I am seeing no evidence that it exists in terms of functionality. I can't find anything negative or postive to say about it because there is nothing to see other than the marketing hype that was devoted to it.

  

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I'd say give another one a whirl, but that first one I can see giving you pause.

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am not sure if I am going to try another. Maybe. I have lost my curiosity for now and $699 is a lot of money for something that might offer very little in return.

I think I will put this on the back burner until Microcenter opens here. Then the only thing I will have to care about is the 40 minute drive each direction to give them back the broken trash rather than having to ship the trash back and wait for a refund. I'm probably going to seldom ever buy anything online again that is important or expensive after they open.

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think I will put this on the back burner until Microcenter opens here. Then the only thing I will have to care about is the 40 minute drive each direction to give them back the broken trash rather than having to ship the trash back and wait for a refund. I'm probably going to seldom ever buy anything online again that is important or expensive after they open.

 

Smart move and spread the, "This junk must be returned" wealth across several stores to prevent getting flagged just in case even if they are valid returns.

 

I haven't returned anything to my local MC yet. It is about 40 min away too.

 

Once your MC has had a chance to build up a nice collection of open box returns, then the fun begins when you go in there for one thing and leave with extra because you stumble across a mountain of open box goodies.

 

 

 

[Papusan]

17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's quite the day we live in.

 

Yup. And this is what Intel have spent the last months for.... A refresh of i5-12400F. But you get 100MHz higher boost clocks. Isn't that nice and very exciting? Exactly as in the old days with Skylake +++++++. Yeee, profits from low end parts made by own foundry at reduced costs for budget. Intel will not survive in the long run if they continue this way. 

 

Intel preparing budget Core 5 120F 6-core CPU featuring only P-cores

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-preparing-budget-core-5-120f-6-core-cpu-featuring-only-p-cores

 

Based on the slide, the P-Core frequency is 2.5 GHz base and 4.5 GHz boost. These specs are nearly identical to the Core i5-12400F, which is also a P-Core-only processor. The only dierence is a 100 MHz higher boost clock on the 120F. 

 

 

 

Also AMD try similar as Intel but with Ryzen 7 9700F for mainstream gamers on the AM5 platform. The race continue who can offer the cheapest trash for maximum profits. The only difference is that AMD also offer processors for high end gaming.

 

AMD To Launch Ryzen 7 9700F 8-Core “Zen 5” CPU With iGPU Disabled, Set To Cost Around $250 For Mainstream PC Builders

 

 

[win32asmguy]

On 6/13/2025 at 12:45 AM, electrosoft said:

So I've been putting my Macbook Pro 16 M4 Max (Full fat 16 core CPU, 40 core GPU) through the ringer tonight with World of Warcraft 4k Ultra.

 

It's......playable. In my benchmark spots it is about as powerful as a 9070xt with both having RT off since WoW doesn't support RT in MacOS 9070xt is clocking in around 140fps while the M4 is clocking in around 130fps.

 

Another case of theoretical vs actual once that CPU gets sauced....

 

Problem is in raids the M4 tanks to the 50s and 40s in many spots while the 9070xt consistently keeps it in the 80+ range so once you introduce that player data M4 Max starts to take a pounding.

 

That is now the M4, 5080 and 5090 not handling the lows as well as the 9070xt but I will say the M4 stays pretty smooth even at those low fps...

 

Don't let anyone ever tell you the Macbook fans don't have some punch to them....  😁

 

Interesting to hear about the M4 Max in WoW. What kind of TDP does it pull in those situations? I see that it is supposed to be up to 70W but unsure if that is sustained or just short bursts.

 

The 275HX + 5090M does pretty good with WoW at QHD with a few things tuned, SA and D2D at 30x and 6400 at CL38 tREFI 16k 1.25v gear2. The Premamod BIOS is still being finalized so once that is available I hope it helps a little too, along with being able to ditch XTU to set a few things. I am not sure if it can compete on efficiency to the M4 Max, but maybe the Ryzen AI Max 395 is a closer type of product to what Apple is offering, just with access to the much bigger Windows x86 game library.

[Papusan]

 

@tps3443 Not easy fix failed FE cards when you can't get needed parts.

 

This is even worse than Dell @Mr. Fox Good engineering means that you can make the product repairable and with good supply of needed parts customers can buy (easy to find and cheap to buy). Nvidia fail hard.

 

It turns out that those small inductors for RTX 5090 FE PCB are not available for purchase?

 

Brother Zhang, who repairs computers on the BILIBILI channel, previously uploaded a video of repairing an NVIDIA RTX 5090 FE ( source ), and the connector burned up again. But what I am interested in is another RTX 5090 FE that flashed by in the video, because Brother Zhang said that the RTX 5090 FE has been left in the store for several months. The reason is that there is no material for repair and no components can be bought. Brother Zhang waited for several months but couldn't buy this special inductor, so he was unable to repair it.

 

Btw. The new "amazing" deal will make hardware more expensive forwards. The losers will be the US citizens. But I expect the millionaires/billionaires now get some lower taxes(paid by the tariff from China). The ordinary people will get nothing back. Only increased costs. Then increased inflation on top.

 

The US and China make peace on tariffs: +55% and +10%, hardware will rise in price, and not a little.

 

 

Nvidia  should have scrapped the RTX naming for SKUs below 5070Ti. Just brand them GTX as in older days. Because RT isn't for those cards. Want RT on mid tier cards, then go with AMD. Greed come at a price. Not that AMD offer much more but Nvidia have failed hard with sub 5070Ti cards branded RTX.

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

@tps3443 Not easy fix failed FE cards when you can't get needed parts.

 

This is even worse than Dell @Mr. Fox Good engineering means that you can make the product repairable and with good supply of needed parts customers can buy (easy to find and cheap to buy).

 

It turns out that those small inductors for RTX 5090 FE PCB are not available for purchase?

 

Brother Zhang, who repairs computers on the BILIBILI channel, previously uploaded a video of repairing an NVIDIA RTX 5090 FE ( source ), and the connector burned up again. But what I am interested in is another RTX 5090 FE that flashed by in the video, because Brother Zhang said that the RTX 5090 FE has been left in the store for several months. The reason is that there is no material for repair and no components can be bought. Brother Zhang waited for several months but couldn't buy this special inductor, so he was unable to repair it.

 

Btw. The new "amazing" deal will make hardware more expensive forwards. The losers will be the US citizens. But I expect the millionaires/billionaires now get some lower taxes(paid by the tariff from China). The ordinary people will get nothing back. Only increased costs.

 

The US and China make peace on tariffs: +55% and +10%, hardware will rise in price, and not a little.

I believe I’d be reassembling that card and sending it in for warranty. But they are in another country maybe. I know two people here so far that had warranty exchange with 5090FE and they were just sent a brand new 5090FE GPU that replaced their broken one. One had a bad fan, another was freezing up or crashing. But they were just sent new new cards. 3 year warranty is all we have until parts and supply can catch up for these complex GPU’s, they don’t even have the plastic mosfets on power phases like Astral/Suprim have it’s all ceramic parts to save space, so I’m sure “Self repair” must take place after warranty is expired, other than that if we’re changing to a waterblock on any 5090, we have to be careful. I have seen people delid CPU’s and rip the die clean off, there is no repair lol. It’s trash bin worthy now. So in this case, taking apart a 5090FE is an extremely delicate process I think. One has to be careful.

 

If I take my 5090FE apart, and I put a waterblock on it, and for some reason it does not work after. I’m going to reassemble it with air cooler, and I’m sending it back to Nvidia for replacement! lol. 😝 I have 3 years. 😎 Regardless of the circumstances, I’d just say. “it stopped working when I was playing with it” 😂

Also, FE doesn’t have any stickers or seals on it, so not really any way to tell if it’s been disassembled. It’s very possible they are in another country China etc that doesn’t honor their warranty because they shouldn’t own the GPU. It sucks either way. Hopefully parts will be available at some point, or a supplement part that could work at least.

[Mr. Fox]

So @Papusan Alienware is partnering with Lego to make the kiddos happy. Disgusting. If the 9090 XT is real I will probably buy one.

 

 

[Papusan]

37 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

So @Papusan Alienware is partnering with Lego to make the kiddos happy. Disgusting. If the 9090 XT is real I will probably buy one.

 

 

 

Have seen it. Disgusting. Not much have changed since F. Azor left the ship. Regarding the 9090XT I think that will be the 9080XT. Add xx90 in the name is misleading if the performance can't come close to 5090. More vram and will probably beat a possible 5080 Super. AMD could be greedy if  they add 32GB vram and beat any of the xx80 class cards. Everything in bethween $1000 and 1200 is possible. 32GB vram is the selling point. Now it's up to Nvidia put an correct price on the Super cards. And as usual  AMD will copy that price due the 32GB vram buffer.

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Have seen it. Disgusting. Not much have changed since F. Azor left the ship. Regarding the 9090XT I think that will be the 9080XT. More vram and will probably beat a possible 5080 Super. AMD could be greedy if  they add 32GB vram and beat any of the xx80 class cards. Everything in bethween $1000 and 1200 is possible. 32GB vram is the selling point. Now it's up to Nvidia put an correct price on the Super cards.And AMD willcopy that price due the 32GB vram buffer.

 

I do not ever remembering caring so little about NVIDIA as I do now. I really do hope they get what they deserve. It will be really bad (for them) if they do. They have earned whatever misfortune comes their way.

[Papusan]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I do not ever remembering caring so little about NVIDIA as I do now. I really do hope they get what they deserve. It will be really bad (for them) if they do. They have earned whatever misfortune comes their way.

 

AMD is on the way with their AI hardware. They will sink equal low. So not so sure we will have any viable options (correct pricing and real performance uplift without software tweaks and new fake frame features).

 

AMD Expected to Break NVIDIA’s AI Monopoly With Next-Gen Instinct MI500 Accelerators & EPYC “Verano” CPUs, Set to Compete Against Vera Rubin Lineup

 

 

We can only hope the AI bubble bursts.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

AI has not turned out to be as effective as they thought: 50% of companies that wanted to replace their employees with AI are backing out.

[Mr. Fox]

36 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

AMD is on the way with their AI hardware. They will sink equal low. So not so sure we will have any viable options (correct pricing and real performance uplift without software tweaks and new fake frame features).

 

AMD Expected to Break NVIDIA’s AI Monopoly With Next-Gen Instinct MI500 Accelerators & EPYC “Verano” CPUs, Set to Compete Against Vera Rubin Lineup

 

 

We can only hope the AI bubble bursts.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

AI has not turned out to be as effective as they thought: 50% of companies that wanted to replace their employees with AI are backing out.

If we are lucky their investors will decide they hate them and stop investing in computer technology. Then the companies wanting to get rich from AI won't because they won't have any operating capital available for dumbass ventures like AI. I'm totally OK with the idea of no new products coming to market from NVIDIA for 3 to 5 years. They can just lower prices and keep sellinng what they've already released. I could see some real benefits to that. It would be wonderful to get 5 years of service out of a flagship GPU before anything newer and better dropped.