*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

55 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's more of an NVIDIA compliance failure than a "leadership" problem. You cannot control smuggling very well, but they can certainly fine NVIDIA into oblivion and vaporize all of their AI profits. NVIDIA needs to be held responsible and it needs to cause them tremendous financial harm if they do not fall in line. The cost and effort of compliance and policing who the buyers are should be NVIDIA's resonsibility. Government needs to put the hammer down on NVIDIA and audit everything they do. They could start by putting Jensen in jail, along with anyone else that has allowed the sale of chips for Chinese consumption.

 

What I meant with my latest post... This one.... Nvidia is even allowed to sell out the last batches of inventory in China. Where is the US chip ban? A Joke? I'm sure Jensen with Nvidia (shareholders) and their partners is damn happy for the weak US leadership....

 

The US Government/bureaucracy could easly say nope. But they didn't. They put a green lights (special approval) so Nvidia's partners could sell all remaining cards. Both are banned server and 5090D cards that we know they can't/or shoudn't sell. That's on the US leadership. Not Nvidia that begged for help so they could sell it. This is bad/weak leadership. 

 

I wonder what Jensen did to get green lights from those higher up for continuing with their circumvent of infused rules. Rules is rules. Not something you play with. 

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

What I meant with my latest post... This one.... Nvidia is even allowed to sell out the last batches of inventory in China. Where is the US chip ban? A Joke? I'm sure Jensen with Nvidia (shareholders) and their partners is damn happy for the weak US leadership....

 

The US Government/bureaucracy could easly say nope. But they didn't. They put a green lights (special approval) so Nvidia's partners could sell all remaining cards. Both are banned server and 5090D cards that we know they can't/or shoudn't sell. That's on the US leadership. Not Nvidia that begged for help so they could sell it. This is bad/weak leadership. 

 

I wonder what Jensen did to get green lights from those higher up for continuing with their circumvent of infused rules. Rules is rules. Not something you play with. 

 

 

This is exactly what I was implying/asking in one of my posts. 

 

What changed? It went from serious restrictions to a personal meeting with Jensen at the white house to even less restrictions on Nvidia than even the Biden era and trump literally singing Jensen's praises at an AI summit.

 

What changed?

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

What I meant with my latest post... This one.... Nvidia is even allowed to sell out the last batches of inventory in China. Where is the US chip ban? A Joke? I'm sure Jensen with Nvidia (shareholders) and their partners is damn happy for the weak US leadership....

 

The US Government/bureaucracy could easly say nope. But they didn't. They put a green lights (special approval) so Nvidia's partners could sell all remaining cards. Both are banned server and 5090D cards that we know they can't/or shoudn't sell. That's on the US leadership. Not Nvidia that begged for help so they could sell it. This is bad/weak leadership. 

 

I wonder what Jensen did to get green lights from those higher up for continuing with their circumvent of infused rules. Rules is rules. Not something you play with. 

 

 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

This is exactly what I was implying/asking in one of my posts. 

 

What changed? It went from serious restrictions to a personal meeting with Jensen at the white house to even less restrictions on Nvidia than even the Biden era and trump literally singing Jensen's praises at an AI summit.

 

What changed?

Not sure what changed. Maybe the expectation is to rake in tons of cash in tariffs? If that is the case and China ends up paying a crap ton in tariffs to the US then I can see why. If it costs them more than any other country to play the AI idiot game then that would make more sense than a "ban" that is more difficult to enforce.

 

I stopped paying attention to this stuff because I no longer care about 5090 price or availability because I am not wasting money on an absurdly overpriced 5090.

 

Honestly, I do not understand why China hasn't just stolen the GeForce tech and counterfeited it like they do so many other things. They do not respect patents. They could just create their own counterfeit GPUs with stolen technology.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Not sure what changed. Maybe the expectation is to rake in tons of cash in tariffs? If that is the case and China ends up paying a crap ton in tariffs to the US then I can see why. If it costs them more than any other country to play the AI idiot game then that would make more sense than a "ban" that is more difficult to enforce.

 

I stopped paying attention to this stuff because I no longer care about 5090 price or availability because I am not wasting money on an absurdly overpriced 5090.

 

Honestly, I do not understand why China hasn't just stolen the GeForce tech and counterfeited it like they do so many other things. They do not respect patents. They could just create their own counterfeit GPUs with stolen technology.

 

China is already in work being independent of Western tech. They have words largest float of engineers. Maybe not as fast as western tech but they will survive. And if they need something faster/better they will pay for it on the grey market. Will US earn on this from increased tariffs. Nope, I don't think so. Only the smugglers, Intel, AMD and nvidia. Only a real ban can stop it. And track every AI hardware sold from US/western tech companies. . From birth to the death of the hardware. If needed, nvidia have to hire proper people that can follow the hardware all the way to the destination and stay there. If not, be you sure they will find their way into unwanted/unfriendly countries.

 

China advances toward tech independence with new homegrown 6nm gaming and AI GPUs

Zhaoxin KH-50000: The Chinese 96-core CPU for servers and data centers

 

This is the only viable solution to the problem.... If they dare to do so. 

[Mr. Fox]

15 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

China ia already in work being independent of Western tech. They have words largest float of engineers. Maybe not as fast as western tech but they will survive. And if they need something faster/better they will pay for it on the grey market. Will US earn on this from increased tariffs. Nope, I don't think so. Only the smugglers, Intel, AMD and nvidia. Only a real ban can stop it. And track every AI hardware sold. From birth to the death of the hardware.

 

China advances toward tech independence with new homegrown 6nm gaming and AI GPUs

In that case then it is all pointless and a waste of time and energy. Just let them do whatever they're going to do and stop all trade with them. No buying their products or selling anything to them. Just pretend they don't exist. Seize all of their assets in America, revoke all visas and expel all non-citizen Chinese, ban travel and deny entry.

[win32asmguy]

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Agreed, MSI 4k panel just ended it for me along with apparently a poor panel overall. The IPS panel on their lesser model seems to be better. The $5k sticker price also is a deal breaker and like he found out in the review, the fans can have a mind of their own and are aggressive. ECO Mode helps a bit though.

 

In the overall scheme of things, we're talking not much of a difference between the 4090 and 5090 mobile when the CPUs are allowing a last gen GPU to catch up and make it a wash with a current gen GPU.

 

I have a feeling that eventually Micro Center or Costco will get MSI to make a Raider 18 with 9955HX3D, 5080/5090 and QHD+ 240hz IPS that they can price around $3000. Late last year there was also a Titan 18 with QHD+ 240hz so its certainly in their capacity.

 

I usually found MSI Silent and Balanced profiles to be decent enough for use. Performance on the other hand was far too agressive and could not pick a speed under sustained loads. Probably because WoW can bounce around TDP as much as 100W depending on what you are doing.

 

In the case of the Hydroc G2 the GPU performance really does not feel much better than the 4090 laptops I used. The real benefit (for me) was the presense of iGPU connected video outputs. The air cooling is a bit underwhelming as it has trouble keeping up with 150W combined loads at 75-80F ambients and 60% fan speed so its around 40dBA.