*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Are you really comparing a single german retailer which moved ~2k GPUs total in that list versus the Steam established user database of 132 million monthly active users and ~69 million daily users? Really? 🙂

 

Even accepting not everyone participates in the survey, still.... common man!  🤣

 

I know good old man😀 But does the 9070(XT) sell so badly that they can't even reach up to 5070 or the heavly overpriced 5090 that is already represented on Steam? If so... Why not stop with GPU's ? 

 

Meanwhile 5070 (1.28%), 5080 (0.62%), 5070ti (0.60%), 5060 (0.57%), 5060ti (0.56%) and 5090 (0.21%), have all made enough penetration on Steam

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@Papusan this company has been fined by the US Department of Justic for selling tech to China. 

Cadence Design Systems Agrees to Plead Guilty and Pay Over $140 Million for Unlawfully Exporting Semiconductor Design Tools to a Restricted PRC Military University

 

From 5:11

 

 

I know. But did the Intel board know that mr. Lip was a part of all this? The investigations have been going on for a while. I can't imagine the board didn't know. And if they didn't.... They have done a terrible job.

 

[electrosoft]

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I know good old man😀 But does the 9070(XT) sell so badly that they can't even reach up to 5070 or the heavly overpriced 5090 that is already represented on Steam? If so... Why not stop with GPU's ? 

 

Meanwhile 5070 (1.28%), 5080 (0.62%), 5070ti (0.60%), 5060 (0.57%), 5060ti (0.56%) and 5090 (0.21%), have all made enough penetration on Steam

 

 

 

I think the 9070xt is an absolute banger of a card for MSRP. I really expected more market penetration to be honest. Hopefully that changes but the sheer domination of Nvidia in gaming which has just grown since the 3000 series is downright scary. I opted to keep the 9070xt to keep it in the family and return the 5070 I like it that much.

 

Still my recommended card for WoW up to a 5070ti and depending on system and cost even vs a 5080 for WoW. Unfortunately it just doesn't bring the heat in Fallout76 compared to Nvidia. X3D+Nvidia rules the roost for Fallout76. I would have stuck the 9070xt if I hadn't had the chance to pick up an MSI Shadow OC 5080 for $825 shipped to my door. Having a blast with the Astral vbios for benching.

 

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Speaking of falling prices, Zotac 5090 Solid OC $2399.99 new out the door on Newegg:

 

 

 

Considering launch MSRP was $2261.99 and this card at one point was $3200 MSRP we're heading in the right direction. It's only ~6% over launch MSRP.....

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Speaking of falling prices, Zotac 5090 Solid OC $2399.99 new out the door on Newegg:

 

I was right on the verge of grabbing that. Literally added it to my cart, but I paused and wondered how I would actually benefit from owning it and I am struggling to identify how I actually might. It is hard to avoid an impulse buy as a hardware junky sometimes. I'm still thinking about it and still looking for a legitimate logical reason to justify it. So far, coming up with nothing. If I lose the argument with myself, my granddaughters will inherit the 9070 XT as an upgrade to the Strix 1080 I put in their machine. Sounds like a great deal for them and a pretty big waste of money for me. 🤣

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

I know. But did the Intel board know that mr. Lip was a part of all this? The investigations have been going on for a while. I can't imagine the board didn't know. And if they didn't.... They have done a terrible job.

The terrible job is much bigger than any of us knew and there are lots of huge messes that are being worked on. These are not things that happened recently, just the turds floating to the surface. It has been going on for a long time. The only things new are unsettling revelations and accountability that has never been present. The resistance is pretty massive and it is making some people holding positions of power very uneasy. As it should. But, there has to be due process. Although I sometimes wish we could, you can't just swoop in like a vigilante and start lopping off heads even when it is deserved. That's how they do things in places like Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, Russia and South America.

 

This is just one example. There is definitely more going on than we know about because the mainstream press only reports on what they think will make their side of the spectrum look favorable to their shrinking echo chamber. Anything that is favorable to the opposing side is ignored, distorted or completely misreported. There are lots of investigations going on right now and every day something nefarious is being revealed that is verifiable, but never mentioned in the mainstream woke press. There is a lot of nasty sewage in the swamp. It took about a century to fill it up and it won't get drained overnight. It may never get completely drained. More is happening than we know  in lots of areas, but this issue probably isn't near the top of the list of priorities. But, contrary to what is getting put out there by the mainstream, great things are happening. Just not great for them. All of the things they misrepresented as fact are proving to be falsehoods and deep state conspiracies, at an alarming rate. So this tech stuff, while undeniably important, takes a back seat. Bigger fish need to be fried before they shift their focus to the technology treason taking place.

[Papusan]

 

Worlds smallest overclock headroom? Not sure what Asus thinking. 

 

AMD Limits Overclocking Headroom of Radeon RX 9060

While AMD has not shared any official details on the RX 9060 clocks, we already know the spec lists a 2400 MHz game clock and a 2990 MHz boost clock. This was also confirmed by ASUS today. What is somewhat surprising is that their OC settings, applied through GPU Tweak software, only increase the clocks by 10 MHz. This is easily one of the lowest overclock frequencies we’ve seen on a modern GPU in years.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Worlds smallest overclock headroom? Not sure what Asus thinking. 

 

AMD Limits Overclocking Headroom of Radeon RX 9060

While AMD has not shared any official details on the RX 9060 clocks, we already know the spec lists a 2400 MHz game clock and a 2990 MHz boost clock. This was also confirmed by ASUS today. What is somewhat surprising is that their OC settings, applied through GPU Tweak software, only increase the clocks by 10 MHz. This is easily one of the lowest overclock frequencies we’ve seen on a modern GPU in years.

Maybe they have decided to do that so that people that only buy the cheapest GPU will be forced to pay for the more expensive models rather than have their desktop GPU emasculated like a chintzy turdbook.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I was right on the verge of grabbing that. Literally added it to my cart, but I paused and wondered how I would actually benefit from owning it and I am struggling to identify how I actually might. It is hard to avoid an impulse buy as a hardware junky sometimes. I'm still thinking about it and still looking for a legitimate logical reason to justify it. So far, coming up with nothing. If I lose the argument with myself, my granddaughters will inherit the 9070 XT as an upgrade to the Strix 1080 I put in their machine. Sounds like a great deal for them and a pretty big waste of money for me. 🤣

 

There is no meaningful benefit but there are personal benefits mainly overclocking and playing with new hardware which I have no problems embracing along with games. I have three categories of hardware:

 

#1 Personal enjoyment (Play hard, eventually sell trying not to bleed too much)

#2 Work/Money makers (Work, write offs, covered )

#3 Both (Best of both words if possible)

 

 

Think about how much you will save simply by having waited this long. It is mind boggling to think this card was up to MSRP $3200 at one point and people bought it. They have to be kicking themselves just a bit having overpaid $800+tax. If I had held onto that Astral, I would be eating myself up inside at this point. 🤣

 

I'm holding strong after the Astral debacle because I know a 5090 is a pure play toy for me. If it drops to $2200 or below especially with a good priced open box around $2k, I might jump back in. At $2400 + S&H, that's $2572.84 after tax which is closer to 3k than 2k and still 33% more than I paid for my 4090 Liquid.

 

This 5080 for $825 makes it hard to stomach paying 3x more for ~50-60% more performance but...BUT as that price inches closer to $2k, it becomes basically a straight swap for my 4090 Liquid sale price and I'm probably going to dive back in.....🙃

 

Since it is $2399.99, I expect some open boxes to adjust down to $2159.99 (10% off) or lower....

 

If this is the bottom of the barrel for pricing, I'm more than content to carry on with my 5080. Wife is absolutely blown away with the 9070xt as she's reached that silky smooth level of performance and display capped more often than not even fully opened up to 4k max RT max at 1440p.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

There is no meaningful benefit but there are personal benefits mainly overclocking and playing with new hardware which I have no problems embracing along with games. I have three categories of hardware:

 

#1 Personal enjoyment (Play hard, eventually sell trying not to bleed too much)

#2 Work/Money makers (Work, write offs, covered )

#3 Both (Best of both words if possible)

 

 

Think about how much you will save simply by having waited this long. It is mind boggling to think this card was up to MSRP $3200 at one point and people bought it. They have to be kicking themselves just a bit having overpaid $800+tax. If I had held onto that Astral, I would be eating myself up inside at this point. 🤣

 

I'm holding strong after the Astral debacle because I know a 5090 is a pure play toy for me. If it drops to $2200 or below especially with a good priced open box around $2k, I might jump back in. At $2400 + S&H, that's $2572.84 after tax which is closer to 3k than 2k and still 33% more than I paid for my 4090 Liquid.

 

This 5080 for $825 makes it hard to stomach paying 3x more for ~50-60% more performance but...BUT as that price inches closer to $2k, it becomes basically a straight swap for my 4090 Liquid sale price and I'm probably going to dive back in.....🙃

 

Since it is $2399.99, I expect some open boxes to adjust down to $2159.99 (10% off) or lower....

 

If this is the bottom of the barrel for pricing, I'm more than content to carry on with my 5080. Wife is absolutely blown away with the 9070xt as she's reached that silky smooth level of performance and display capped more often than not even fully opened up to 4k max RT max at 1440p.

It is just still so absurdly expensive, even at this unheard of low price. With tax and shipping it comes in at $2550. As much as I would like having a 5090 I am having a really difficult time rationalizing the intelligence of buying one. It's unlikely it will put me in a winner's circle with overclocking among other 5090 owners. Maybe the top 20. I know I will not be happy for very long running it on air because I have never liked any air cooled GPU, so I would end up spending another $200 putting a water block on it. And, before it's even broken in there will be something more powerful to replace it. It is both very tempting and extremely repulsive at the same time. I haven't found a way to convince myself it is actually worth $2550 on air or $2700 on chilled water.

 

It's possible that my foolish fetish for new hardware toys will cause me to lose objectivity and waste money on one, but at this very moment the level-headed side of me is saying no to the idea.

 

The 5080 is priced right, but it is clearly a performance downgrade from 4090 from just about any angle. From an overclocking perspect I would gain almost nothing. The highest 5080 3DMark Time Spy score is substantially lower than my personal best with 4090 on chilled water, so the most I could hope for is a tiny boost in hardware points for benching a piece of hardware that I haven't benched before. In terms of points I would gain the same running it stock as I would overclocking it because my highest scores would fall short of my 4090 submissions. It would be impossible to match, must less beat, my 4090 scores and I would get zero points for the actual benchmark scores.

 

If gaming were something I was super into and still passionate about, then a 5080 would be a smart buy and a respectable value if I didn't already own a 4090. The 5080 is "almost 4090" performance at a much lower price. I've tried to reignite the passion I once had for gaming and it just doesn't get me excited like it did a decade ago. The thrill of overclocked benching diminished my interest in gaming and it doesn't deliver the same level of pleasure that it once did.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/40813006/spy/53314185#