*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

wait, did that prospective job offer fall through? it sounded so promising!

I've applied for a lot of jobs I am ideally suited for and could do with my eyes closed that have not worked out. Ageism is illegal, but it is more real than anyone wants to admit. I have one that looks even better that I have my third interview for today that I pray works out and it would probably end up being the best one I have applied for. The one that looked promising that you referred to is not off the table, but the President wanted to see how how the financials looked for 2025 and how January revenue looks before adding a new c-suite resource to staff.

 

On the WireView Pro... when you get around to it, this screenshot might be useful if you run into any complications getting Windows to correctly identify it. I think the key is manually installing the driver in Device Manager, immediately powering off and unplugging the PSU long enough for the board and everything attached to lose power.

 

  

5 hours ago, Raiderman said:

@Mr. Fox Sent a message to your phone. Glad to see you are doing ok.

It appears there was some sort of delivery failure. I replied and it shows to have been sent, but you evidently cannot see the reply on your end. Thanks for checking on me, brother. I really appreciate it.

[Papusan]

 

Intel, is your best friend in the AI race. 

Intel confirms that the PC and laptop CPU market is not its priority, discusses Nova Lake, the wafer shortage, Intel 14A, and defines Panther Lake

Intel confirms that its priority is not PC and laptop CPUs, so it will focus on servers.

[Mr. Fox]

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Intel, is your best friend in the AI race. 

Intel confirms that the PC and laptop CPU market is not its priority, discusses Nova Lake, the wafer shortage, Intel 14A, and defines Panther Lake

Intel confirms that its priority is not PC and laptop CPUs, so it will focus on servers.

PC enthusiast do not have any friends left in the industry where hardware is concerned. We are an annoyance and inconvenience that has been cast aside.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

PC enthusiast do not have any friends left in the industry where hardware is concerned. We are an annoyance and inconvenience that has been cast aside.

 

Intel think its cheaper/smarter buy wafers from their competitors. Of course you haven't much to offer if you are almost bankrupt. Intel, wafer shortage, LOL

 

'We can't completely vacate the client market' says Intel amid wafer supply shortages

 

Garbage mode. The future for gaming while AI last before it go to hell? 

 

 

Scam or golden bin? We'll see.

 

Early Leaks Reveal AMD Ryzen 7 9850X3D Delivers Overall Same Performance As 9800X3D

 

 

[electrosoft]

THIS is why I love MSI......

 

MSI just contacted me about my RMA on the AI1300P to inform me they have zero stock of the newer revision (AI1300P PCIE5) and would the following PSU be an acceptable replacement:

 

https://us.msi.com/Power-Supply/MEG-Ai1600T-PCIE5/Specification

 

Uh, yes, that will definitely be a suitable replacement!!

 

I'm going to wait till it gets here and then do my system with it along with the swap to Ultra 265k, WVP2 and custom 140mm fan cooling for the DDR5.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Reciever]

Hey guys, since having looked at a bit of the lossless scaling app, thinking my next daily driver system should align with that for my 7900 XTX and 3090Ti since Im not too keen on the newer connector + pricing of it all. 

Are there X3D variants of threadripper in the rumormill? If so I might start saving up...


I got the 512GB of Persistent Memory (Intel Optane 2666Mhz 4x128GB) installed in my C622 server, Gigabyte was kind enough to not include a switch to dedicate it to system memory and I cant activate it via a Linux VM, so I wont be able to see the RAM pool until tomorrow (family is asleep). 

[electrosoft]

20 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Intel think its cheaper/smarter buy wafers from their competitors. Of course you haven't much to offer if you are almost bankrupt. Intel, wafer shortage, LOL

 

'We can't completely vacate the client market' says Intel amid wafer supply shortages

 

Garbage mode. The future for gaming while AI last before it go to hell? 

 

 

Scam or golden bin? We'll see.

 

Early Leaks Reveal AMD Ryzen 7 9850X3D Delivers Overall Same Performance As 9800X3D

 

 

 

Intel is beholden to shareholders just like any other company and it would be illogical to NOT go where the current profit stream is most viable.

 

Just remember how quickly the dotcom boom and several cryptobooms imploded......

 

FYI, Intel is nowhere near close to going bankrupt. They just aren't printing money like they did for decades on end. I'm glad they've hit a wall though and need to get lean, mean and hungry again.

 

As for the 9850X3D, with both their laptop and desktop refreshes, AMD is taking a classic play right out of Intel's handbook and giving us Granite Ridge+.....

 

Zero chance I pick one of them up.

 

Intel is actually bringing the heat in the mobile market which is very important.

If Nova Lake tracks like it should, AMD is in for a rough ride unless AM6 is something special

Productivity wise, I would pick an intel Ultra setup over an AMD one all day everyday

And it isn't like Ultra can't game. Tuned, it can still bring the heat

 

 

20 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

PC enthusiast do not have any friends left in the industry where hardware is concerned. We are an annoyance and inconvenience that has been cast aside.

 

"Hold steady consumers while we milk the AI segment! We haven't forgotten you and we'll return to our regularly scheduled program sometime in the future!"

 

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Just got my email for tariff duties owed on the TG WV2P..... $32.70 🤬

 

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@Talon Asrock is not supporting Bartlett. Has Asus confirmed support?

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-confirms-its-z790-and-other-lga-1700-motherboards-will-not-support-bartlett-lake-cpus

[Mr. Fox]

56 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Just got my email for tariff duties owed on the TG WV2P..... $32.70 🤬

I still have not received one.

[electrosoft]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I still have not received one.

 

Might want to login to your FedEx account and check (you would need to anyhow to see the documents portion of the program).

 

If you don't pay online within 4 days, they will mail you a physical invoice which is what I'm going to wait for till it arrives.....

 

The actual customs duty is $17.70. The Disbursement Fee is a FedEx shakedown charge since they made it convenient for you by them paying the fees directly. The fact the disbursement fee is almost the same as the customs duty is highway robbery.

 

In the end, it's the cost of a small order of chinese take away but its the principle for myself and just another 15% tax no matter how you slice it up going right into the government's pocket and then FedEx profiteering on top of it resulting in a ~22% overall fee.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

43 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Might want to login to your FedEx account and check (you would need to anyhow to see the documents portion of the program).

 

If you don't pay online within 4 days, they will mail you a physical invoice which is what I'm going to wait for till it arrives.....

 

The actual customs duty is $17.70. The Disbursement Fee is a FedEx shakedown charge since they made it convenient for you by them paying the fees directly. The fact the disbursement fee is almost the same as the customs duty is highway robbery.

 

In the end, it's the cost of a small order of chinese take away but its the principle for myself and just another 15% tax no matter how you slice it up going right into the government's pocket and then FedEx profiteering on top of it resulting in a ~22% overall fee.

 

 

 

 

I had already done that and I cannot find anything in my FedEx account relating to it. I do find the delivery several weeks ago but nothing else I can find.

[Rage Set]

It is definitely overclocking season - I am about to take my new purchase (yes, I went the dumb BGA route and got a 275HX/5090 Lenovo 7i Pro laptop) into the snow. I got a great deal on it with 64GB of 6400MT RAM. I kept haggling with the seller and he kept coming back - 64GB of laptop RAM cost around 500 to $600. However, I got it for the price of 2800 (before taxes), my max budget. I am hoping I can sell my old 7i (11980HK/3080 (16GB VRAM) 32GB of DDR4 RAM) for around 800 to $1000 to offset the cost. February is the best time to sell things, because people are going to be spending their returns. 

 

My area is projected to get around 21 inches of snow - at 5F (-15C), with a wind chill of -10F (-23.33C). @Papusan I know this snowy weather is tame compare to what you have, but us people (well most) in the Northeast are celebrating. We haven't had snow like this in years, normally our max is 12 inches of snow. 

[Raiderman]

24 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

It is definitely overclocking season - I am about to take my new purchase (yes, I went the dumb BGA route and got a 275HX/5090 Lenovo 7i Pro laptop) into the snow. I got a great deal on it with 64GB of 6400MT RAM. I kept haggling with the seller and he kept coming back - 64GB of laptop RAM cost around 500 to $600. However, I got it for the price of 2800 (before taxes), my max budget. I am hoping I can sell my old 7i (11980HK/3080 (16GB VRAM) 32GB of DDR4 RAM) for around 800 to $1000 to offset the cost. February is the best time to sell things, because people are going to be spending their returns. 

 

My area is projected to get around 21 inches of snow - at 5F (-15C), with a wind chill of -10F (-23.33C). @Papusan I know this snowy weather is tame compare to what you have, but us people (well most) in the Northeast are celebrating. We haven't had snow like this in years, normally our max is 12 inches of snow. 

If only we could get some moisture here in the PNW. Normally the valleys would be coated with white stuff this time of year, but we have not had any measurable snow fall dating back a to a year ago. It was however, 14 degrees this morning in Nampa, Idaho which would be nice for some OCing.

[Rage Set]

17 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

If only we could get some moisture here in the PNW. Normally the valleys would be coated with white stuff this time of year, but we have not had any measurable snow fall dating back a to a year ago. It was however, 14 degrees this morning in Nampa, Idaho which would be nice for some OCing.

 

It's funny. Some states shut down when they get 8 to 12 inches of snow. We, on the other hand, require 24 inches or more. My job (IT school system) & Mayor are still contemplating if we will or not. Now if the governor shuts down the state (they rarely ever do), that's one thing, but if the Mayor shuts down the city, he will have to pay us all. Otherwise, you have to use personal or vacation time if you don't want to venture out in the snow. I make it a point to go, because there is no one there and I can use the time to learn/study or repair broken desktops/laptops. 

 

I usually work on my soldering skills and/or create troubleshooting guides for the entry level techs. Or I can do some overclocking in my office, which I might do!

[Mr. Fox]

I will have to test this to see how it compares with the consumer feces versions in benching.

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

My area is projected to get around 21 inches of snow - at 5F (-15C), with a wind chill of -10F (-23.33C). @Papusan I know this snowy weather is tame compare to what you have, but us people (well most) in the Northeast are celebrating. We haven't had snow like this in years, normally our max is 12 inches of snow. 

 

Celebrating, I can understand why some will do that. But not what I would do.  I hate it. This is more the norm from Nov to May. Every damn year. If we are lucky we can have a decent May in spring. But far in between. Then we have Jun and July with the green summer winter, half-cold and rainy🤐Aug is an summer month, but I call it the start of the fall and back to the dark, cold, windy weather, snow then rain. The circle go around and around. I HATE IT. I also would celebrate snow and cold if that lasted a short time every or second year. 

 

-13 degrees here now, but it will be colder in the next few days. But luckily there is no wind now like the days before. Minus 5-6 degrees and a lot of wind feels worse to me than -10C and colder with no wind. If there is a climate change and more of the snow turn into rain, I can't say that will be much better. CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. Rainy days around zero and hars wind is sometimes much worse.  

 

I posted this a few weeks ago. I needed a new snow-blower. So I'm prepared for more of the white devils coming from the sky🙂

 

On 1/21/2026 at 5:17 PM, Papusan said:

Asus have now increased the prices on their US webstore. Vanilla black Astral is now $3510 USD. Nice, only $50 higher than previous premium above MSRP. And the Astral LC is now $3870. Or +150 USD. Anyone have seen Nvidia have increased MSRP for their FE models?

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/all-series/filter?Category=NVIDIA&Spec=354488

 

Asus was so kind increase the prices with only $150. Zotac prefered more of the cake due they often offer cheaper cards than Asus. Can't beat greed. $500 extra for increased vram prices is quite an high price hike. And they want $250 for the vram price increase for 5080's. 

ZOTAC cancels GPU orders: 16GB VRAM models are $250 more expensive; 32GB models are $500 more expensive.

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Asus was so kind increase the prices with only $150. Zotac prefered more of the cake due they often offer cheaper cards than Asus. Can't beat greed. $500 extra for increased vram prices is quite an high price hike. And they want $250 for the vram price increase for 5080's. 

ZOTAC cancels GPU orders: 16GB VRAM models are $250 more expensive; 32GB models are $500 more expensive.

It makes we want to sell my 5090 for enough to build a complete new system with a nice used 3090 that uses three 8-pin PCIe power connectors.

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Rage Set said:

It is definitely overclocking season - I am about to take my new purchase (yes, I went the dumb BGA route and got a 275HX/5090 Lenovo 7i Pro laptop) into the snow. I got a great deal on it with 64GB of 6400MT RAM. I kept haggling with the seller and he kept coming back - 64GB of laptop RAM cost around 500 to $600. However, I got it for the price of 2800 (before taxes), my max budget. I am hoping I can sell my old 7i (11980HK/3080 (16GB VRAM) 32GB of DDR4 RAM) for around 800 to $1000 to offset the cost. February is the best time to sell things, because people are going to be spending their returns. 

 

My area is projected to get around 21 inches of snow - at 5F (-15C), with a wind chill of -10F (-23.33C). @Papusan I know this snowy weather is tame compare to what you have, but us people (well most) in the Northeast are celebrating. We haven't had snow like this in years, normally our max is 12 inches of snow. 

 

Congrats! Lenovo really makes nice laptops that consistently place towards the top in Jarrod's laptop ratings. 64GB of 6400 DDR5 is awesome not just for capacity but it running no problems at 6400 on your laptop.

 

I've actually held off opening back up my eBay store for a massive selloff of items till February because of tax return season. 

 

I'm in SNJ, so we're getting this quasi freezing rain thing with maybe 4" of snow atm. It's just sad.... 🤣

 

How are the Red Devil 9070xt and Prime 5070ti working out for you?

 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

ZOTAC cancels GPU orders: 16GB VRAM models are $250 more expensive; 32GB models are $500 more expensive.

 

 

We knew prices were going to trend up. This is most likely just the beginning....

 

 

 

57 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It makes we want to sell my 5090 for enough to build a complete new system with a nice used 3090 that uses three 8-pin PCIe power connectors.

 

If used market prices hit $4-5k, I can almost guarantee you I will sell my 5090 and ride this 9070xt or whatevewr to what comes next......

 

Like I said, I returned the Nitro+ 9070xt brand new in box because I just couldn't stomach that oddly placed 12v2x6 connector and replaced it with a Red Devil 9070xt which has the most phases off all models available AND a  3x8pin power setup.

 

3090 is just a wee bit too underpowered for me to regress that badly....

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

40 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

If used market prices hit $4-5k, I can almost guarantee you I will sell my 5090 and ride this 9070xt or whatevewr to what comes next......

 

Like I said, I returned the Nitro+ 9070xt brand new in box because I just couldn't stomach that oddly placed 12v2x6 connector and replaced it with a Red Devil 9070xt which has the most phases off all models available AND a  3x8pin power setup.

 

3090 is just a wee bit too underpowered for me to regress that badly....

9070 XT is definitely a solid option for raw performance. Radeon features are comparatively low and the hotspot temps are comparatively very high. The minimal  amount of time I spend gaming either one would be fine and I would buy the cheapest option as long as a water block is immediately available. I don't think I like any GPU enough to get excited about using it with a stock air cooler.

[Rage Set]

20 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Congrats! Lenovo really makes nice laptops that consistently place towards the top in Jarrod's laptop ratings. 64GB of 6400 DDR5 is awesome not just for capacity but it running no problems at 6400 on your laptop.

 

I've actually held off opening back up my eBay store for a massive selloff of items till February because of tax return season. 

 

I'm in SNJ, so we're getting this quasi freezing rain thing with maybe 4" of snow atm. It's just sad.... 🤣

 

How are the Red Devil 9070xt and Prime 5070ti working out for you?

 

Honestly, I kept looking at the 9950HX3D Lenovo 7 Pro, but it was limited to a 5080. It started at 3K and then I saw the 7i Pro with a 5090 around the same price. It snowballed from there. It is a really nice laptop and it handles my 8K footage from my Canon R5 like butter. 

 

Yes, this is the time. I am not sure if I want to attempt to put some rigs together to sell or just simply sell the components individually. I only have a couple DDR5 mobos from AMD/Intel and only three sets of DDR5 that are working, two sets currently in use. Probably best I sell the components. 

 

We got 20'' inches thus far where I live in CT. I spent the past several hours, going out every few hours to attack with my shovel. I still relatively young compared to my neighbors, so whereas all of my neighbors will be using their snow blowers, I am out there strong arming the snow. Good cardio as well!

 

I was having some serious buyer's remorse, even though I got both cards for their MSRP. I am happy now, seeing that the Red Devil jumped up $110 and the Prime is $250 more, excluding the scalper pricing. Both cards are great. I can't really choose. The only thing the 5070Ti has over the 9070XT is better video editing performance. Welcome to the Red Devil family, lol. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I will have to test this to see how it compares with the consumer feces versions in benching.

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29552735/

 

OK, I have run disk benchmarks and CPU (Cinebench) benchmarks and there is really nothing to write home about. Essentially a waste of time IMHO. I am probably going to reclaim the drive space for storage again because I see no meaningful benefit to having Windows Server installed. I did not run any 3D benchmarks. My W10 and W11 OSes are fully debloated and optimized. I did a bit of debloating to Windows Server as well, but I am not convinced it is worth the effort. I also found a couple of my applications do not install on Windows Server. I get an error telling me the OS is not supported.

 

The disk benchmarks were all run on the same NVMe to avoid variance as much as possible. The caveat is it is the Windows 10 IoT LTSC boot drive, so the speeds will be a bit less on Windows 10 for that reason. But, from my perspective it is within a normal margin of error regardless. Certtainly not enough to matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

I may run a couple of 3D benchmarks and if there are any meaningful differences I will post the results, but NVMe and CPU performance offer no meaningful benefit using Windows Server.

 

https://www.overclock.net/attachments/w11-vs-server-jpg.2749319/

 

https://www.overclock.net/attachments/w10-p310-os-jpg.2749320/

[Mr. Fox]

N2Gaming said: 

I did get the Enterprise key when I built my PC back in 2020. Would I have to unregister win 10 prior to doing a clean instal? pic of the screen from when I grabbed my license key code from withing windows.

I don't know how to turn ms updates off but the updates have a way of breaking things and now that the product is end of life they don't seem to care to fix the problems.

pic of license key code redacted:

Oh yeah are all win 10 installations the same but change the users available options based on the license?

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Enterprise is the same as Pro except for some added crap for domain networkibg. LTSC in totally different and dramatically less bloated. IoT has a longer service window than LTSC if you care about updates. Rebloating to play games is only necessary if you play games that are trash-dependent, like crap from Micro$lop Game Studios. Enterprise (non-LTSC) has all of the same bloat you find in Pro already baked in. No difference in terms of bloat between the two. 

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Server performs the same as W10 and W11 IoT LTSC overall. W11 Pro starts to show its bloat a little bit in terms of CPU overhead, but still so close between the three that I don't think it warrants the effort of a clean install for the sake of performance gains because the results are within a normal margin of error. If one needed to do a clean install for other reasons (cancer updates, corruption, malware, etc.) then IoT LTSC is still probably the best option. There is less trash in IoT LTSC to deal with. Server is similar, but has other added nonsense that has to be disabled (like Server Manager loading at startup).

 

At the end of the day none of them are particularly good OSes and there are no dramatic differences. W11 Pro is the slowest OS of all due to the payload of filth and product regressions in general. We already knew that, so no surprise. Unfortunately, I do not have W11 IoT LTSC installed on this system, but that is probably good for the average user in terms of this comparison since it highlights the dumpster fire better.

 

Here are some additional photos with just ordinary gamerboy PBO overclocking (thus lower Cinebench scores and higher CPU-Z single thread scores) versus manual overclocking. Using PBO is probably a better way to compare them since you are leaving the OS to impose its will on hardware versus hardware imposing its will on Windoze.

 

 

 

 

 

Fight Game said: 

I see everyones pics except yours

Here are the same images before that you could not see for some reason. The drive tested is the W10 OS drive so take that into consideration on the write speeds.