electrosoft Posted Sunday at 06:57 PM Posted Sunday at 06:57 PM 6 hours ago, jaybee83 said: Ha yup AM5 longevity ftw! been on it with the X670EE since Oct 2022 😄 exact reason why i got it in the first place and went all out on the mobo, enjoying the platform longevity to the max! Yeah it's crazy. I went through my orders and I officially started AM5 in April 2023 with my original MSI Carbon x670e Wifi and ran that 7800X3D then 7950X3D, switched to that SP113 13900KS for a spell then back to my AM5 rig before Intel finally won me back over in Summer 2024 for a spell with the SP109 14900KS then AMD dropped the 9800X3D that pulled me back in and that's where I've been since. 6 hours ago, jaybee83 said: im definitely curious about the X3D2 and how the reviews will turn out on it. however, im cautious, a mere 10% in productivity and/or gaming will not be enough for me to pull the trigger on it. for that, Zen 6 is already too close to release. my previous upgrade coming from the 7950X to the 9950X3D made much more sense, productivity wise it was in the range of +10-15%, with gaming at a whopping 30-35%. compared to that, wouldnt make sense to switch over to an X3D2 for single digit gains... bro @electrosoft brought up a good point with the IF though, if either that or the IMC is in any way improved ill be very curious to see what kinda extra gains we could get out of it. im a bit doubtful though, since zen 6 is gonna bring updates in those regards anyways, so wouldnt make sense for AMD to push their last zen 5 chips up, would eat away at their perfomance gap to the next gen.... Exactly. Throwing another X3D CCD in there without improvements elsewhere to help with performance seems like a useless chip. I'm, personally, hoping for an Intel 11th gen scenario where the 11900k was clearly a Frankenchip with a lot of the transitional tech that made its way into 12th gen in the best way. AM5 + 2x X3D CCDs + some preliminary AM6 love in regards to the fabric would be a fun chip to play around with. It may give us a portend of things to come with AM6 in that regard but we will see... If somehow it turns out to be a gaming behemoth, I would probably give one a whirl if only to feed my 5090 better than the 9800X3D can in WoW or Fallout 76. Top of its class, but so many times even at 4k the 5090 is twiddling its thumbs and yawning 🙂 6 hours ago, jaybee83 said: btw guys, anyone with a 14900K(S) willing to part with it for a good price? think might be time for my lady's machine to get an upgrade 🙂 lemme know! im hesitant to pay full price for a new part since its already a bit date, at the same time i wouldnt trust second hand due to the degradation issues with RPL... The trick, as always for laptop DTRs running desktop CPUs, is going to have a cooler running, non leaky power efficient bin which is almost always a higher SP chip especially with the limited cooling on the NH55. I had always planned to put the SP109 in the NH55 because it runs stupidly cool even at 59/45/50 an AIO keeps it cool. I have it capped at 253w though as that is more than enough for its needs but then a couple of modern free laptops sent for eval and it didn't make any sense at that point performance wise and off she went. 🙂 I'd say bin on a cheap desktop board and lesser cooling to get a good chip. I did this when I was binning 12900k chips for the NH55 and used an ID Cooling mid grade air cooler to at least simulate similar cooling conditions and the variance in chips with heat and pull was pretty insane. It gets even more insane with the 14900KS chips. I did the same for the X170SM with a rash of 10900k chips. The X170KM was hilarious because I bought an 11900k model and it had one of the sweetest, cool running 11900k chips I had ever seen in it. I cleaned up the thermal interface on it and it literally ran full tilt out of the box with no adjustments needed. One and done. Same process used for the glory years of the P870 too from 6700k up to the 9900k tons of fun binning to get them tamed for D2D use. *Sigh* we need another real DTR ASAP.... 1 1 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | MSI Vanguard RTX 5090 OC | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 8000 tuned | Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | AC LF III 360 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Gigabyte 9070XT Gaming OC Edition| 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | Antec Flux Pro | Samsung G7 32" 165hz 32" Alienware Area-51 18 | 275HX | Nvidia RTX 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400 |Gen 5 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7
jaybee83 Posted Sunday at 09:10 PM Posted Sunday at 09:10 PM 2 hours ago, electrosoft said: I'd say bin on a cheap desktop board and lesser cooling to get a good chip. I did this when I was binning 12900k chips for the NH55 and used an ID Cooling mid grade air cooler to at least simulate similar cooling conditions and the variance in chips with heat and pull was pretty insane. It gets even more insane with the 14900KS chips. I did the same for the X170SM with a rash of 10900k chips. The X170KM was hilarious because I bought an 11900k model and it had one of the sweetest, cool running 11900k chips I had ever seen in it. I cleaned up the thermal interface on it and it literally ran full tilt out of the box with no adjustments needed. One and done. Same process used for the glory years of the P870 too from 6700k up to the 9900k tons of fun binning to get them tamed for D2D use. *Sigh* we need another real DTR ASAP.... haha im actually just looking for a good price on a fully functioning chip with no degradation issues, thats pretty much it 😛 ill have to throttle it down to fit inito the cooling / power envelope of her machine anyways, plus i nowadays have barely enough time to do a tiny bit of tuninig on my own setup, so wouldnt have any time budget to do any binning 😄 so basically just tune down the cpu to keep it under control cooling wise and then maybe do a bit of tuning on the RAM side, thats it 🙂 speaking of RAM, finished tightening the timings on my current DDR5-7600 setup, now off to vBios flashing and comparison! also finally got around to setting up / installing / updating firmware on the wireview pro II, loving it! 1 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-26) AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D (delidded) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme (Qualcomm QCNCM865 Wifi 7 Upgrade) / MSI Geforce RTX 5090 Suprim SOC / G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-8000 2x24 GB / 4x Western Digital Black SN850P/X 8TB in 2x16TB RAID 0 / Arctic Liquid Freezer III Pro 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 exhaust) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks NV9 MKII Black incl. Premium D-RGB Light Strips Kit (6x Arctic P14 Pro A-RGB black intake / 2x Arctic P14 Pro A-RGB black exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 Pro A-RGB black RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-26) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod!
Mr. Fox Posted Monday at 07:06 AM Author Posted Monday at 07:06 AM So, the temporary Mint Mobile carrier lock expired (60 day hold on a new phone) and so I unlocked my new Google Pixel 10 XL Pro and installed GrapheneOS. Super easy and really slick. Initial install took like 15 minutes including the time it took for me to read the instructions. No ADB software or sketchy apk downloads required. (Actually officially authorized by Google as weird as it seems.) So, now no more Google tracking or data collection. I created a Google-free user account named "No Google" and another named "Google Crap" with Google Play and all of the Google apps sandboxed into their own little dysfunctional world where they can't function like the Alphabet identity theft cartel wants them to. So far all of the sandboxed Google garbage is working correctly, including my banking and financial apps. The only part that was a little bit of a pain was my Micro$lop and Google Authenticator app migration. I finally got everything but one of my four Micro$lop accounts working and I cannot get a auth code for it for some reason. I only had one recovery email assigned to that account and trying to receive a text message with a code produces an error that "this method cannot be used right now, please try again later" so maybe tomorrow it will sort itself out. Everything worked normally for the other 3 Micro$lop accounts, Google 2FA and Yahoo, just that one being stubborn. Overall, I am surprised at how little effort this was. Other than having one account with no trace of Google garbage (which is awesome) it seems like an ordinary phone. It's crazy how snappy it functions with like 15 open source (non-Google) apps installed on the de-Googled user account. Things open so instantaneously in the absence of bloat that it is kind of freaky and surreal. 2 WRAITH | X870E Apex | 9950X | RTX 5090 | 32GB DDR5 @ 8200 | O11 XL EVO | HC-500A Chiller BANSHEE | B850MPOWER | 4585PX | RTX 5080 | 48GB DDR5 @ 8000 | XT M3 Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT
Papusan Posted Monday at 02:35 PM Posted Monday at 02:35 PM I have never been happy about the stupid cut out on the backplate to reduce thermal paste costs. Have mentioned this several times. Always a bigger risk damage the GPU with this stupid backplate design. Yep, it can happen anyway but the risk is still less with proper made full cover backplate and extra thermal paste above the chips also reduce the temp on the whole GPU and PCB. NZXT AIO leak damages RTX 5090 ROG Astral, company offers $2,855 but user says it is not enough to replace the card 1 1 "The Killer" ASUS Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel
electrosoft Posted Monday at 05:40 PM Posted Monday at 05:40 PM 2 hours ago, Papusan said: I have never been happy about the stupid cut out on the backplate to reduce thermal paste costs. Have mentioned this several times. Always a bigger risk damage the GPU with this stupid backplate design. Yep, it can happen anyway but the risk is still less with proper made full cover backplate and extra thermal paste above the chips also reduce the temp on the whole GPU and PCB. NZXT AIO leak damages RTX 5090 ROG Astral, company offers $2,855 but user says it is not enough to replace the card I kinda like seeing the caps as long as they're all MLCCs. Something fancy about it visually. Hybrid design with some Poscaps in there? Meh, they can cover that up.... I hate to side with NZXT on this one, but this guy is asking for current market value for a card he originally paid MSRP and that just isn't going to fly. Just like I feel bad for those with bad memory or storage and they're being reimbursed their original purchase costs because prices have gone through the moon. I don't like it, but I clearly understand where the companies are coming from on that cost wise and obligation wise. NZXT offered him full original MSRP market value plus I am going to assume tax or whatever is the over cost. He wants a current market Astral AND his original card back.... He is hoping the court of public opinion will blow this up a bit and NZXT will just settle. I would have taken the AIO replacement, original cost paid for GPU/MB and went about my way..... 2 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | MSI Vanguard RTX 5090 OC | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 8000 tuned | Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | AC LF III 360 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Gigabyte 9070XT Gaming OC Edition| 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | Antec Flux Pro | Samsung G7 32" 165hz 32" Alienware Area-51 18 | 275HX | Nvidia RTX 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400 |Gen 5 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7
Mr. Fox Posted Monday at 05:50 PM Author Posted Monday at 05:50 PM 12 minutes ago, electrosoft said: I would have taken the AIO replacement, original cost paid for GPU/MB and went about my way..... If they are offering to cover his actual costs this is reasonable and the most they should be legally obligated to pay. A loss cannot be greater than the original expense and covering the actual original cost would make him fully whole. You cannot lose money that you never spent. Anything extra he would need to pay to purchase new replacement parts at current market prices would not be considered a loss in the context of a warranty or claim. What he would need to pay today to buy the replacement parts would not be relevant to his loss. He can use the money received to buy something else for the same or less than what was originally spent. 1 1 WRAITH | X870E Apex | 9950X | RTX 5090 | 32GB DDR5 @ 8200 | O11 XL EVO | HC-500A Chiller BANSHEE | B850MPOWER | 4585PX | RTX 5080 | 48GB DDR5 @ 8000 | XT M3 Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT
Mr. Fox Posted yesterday at 12:24 PM Author Posted yesterday at 12:24 PM Brother @Papusan check out Tony's comment around 6:50. He says what you and I say all of the time about "newer" LOL. 1 WRAITH | X870E Apex | 9950X | RTX 5090 | 32GB DDR5 @ 8200 | O11 XL EVO | HC-500A Chiller BANSHEE | B850MPOWER | 4585PX | RTX 5080 | 48GB DDR5 @ 8000 | XT M3 Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT
Mr. Fox Posted yesterday at 05:16 PM Author Posted yesterday at 05:16 PM On 4/18/2026 at 8:10 AM, Mr. Fox said: 9950X3D2 is going to be a DOA product to me. Zen 6 will likely be good, but we haven't seen Intel's answer to that yet. On 4/19/2026 at 5:11 AM, jaybee83 said: im definitely curious about the X3D2 and how the reviews will turn out on it. however, im cautious, a mere 10% in productivity and/or gaming will not be enough for me to pull the trigger on it. for that, Zen 6 is already too close to release. my previous upgrade coming from the 7950X to the 9950X3D made much more sense, productivity wise it was in the range of +10-15%, with gaming at a whopping 30-35%. compared to that, wouldnt make sense to switch over to an X3D2 for single digit gains... bro @electrosoft brought up a good point with the IF though, if either that or the IMC is in any way improved ill be very curious to see what kinda extra gains we could get out of it. im a bit doubtful though, since zen 6 is gonna bring updates in those regards anyways, so wouldnt make sense for AMD to push their last zen 5 chips up, would eat away at their perfomance gap to the next gen.... While it is by no means a definitive or comprehensive review, (and may not need to be,) this is shaping up as I expected it might. Not a bad product, but definitely a bad value. The juice ain't gonna be worth the squeeze. https://www.techspot.com/review/3114-amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d2/ Roman seems to have a similar opinion. $900 is a lot of money to spend on something that doesn't matter, or shouldn't matter, to most people. ...and Wendell... 1 2 WRAITH | X870E Apex | 9950X | RTX 5090 | 32GB DDR5 @ 8200 | O11 XL EVO | HC-500A Chiller BANSHEE | B850MPOWER | 4585PX | RTX 5080 | 48GB DDR5 @ 8000 | XT M3 Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT
electrosoft Posted yesterday at 05:47 PM Posted yesterday at 05:47 PM Welp, when it rains it pours. First, a big ole tax hit and now the wife's Altima literally died in the drive way and yep the CVT is trashed so now we need a new car. I'll probably just give her mine since she commutes 90 min / day to finish beating up and get us a newer travel/local car..... 31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: While it is by no means a definitive or comprehensive review, (and may not need to be,) this is shaping up as I expected it might. Not a bad product, but definitely a bad value. The juice ain't gonna be worth the squeeze. https://www.techspot.com/review/3114-amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d2/ First note is AMD treating Gamers Nexus grimey and not supplying them with a sample. HUB ended up sending theirs to Steve after testing. That is very Nvidia of them to do that. Yeah, as expected too pricey for what we're getting but it is a mild performance bump over the 9950X3D in normal tasks with some results hitting 20% (blender) but usually ~2-5%. Gaming wise, slightly slower in shader compiles (Intel rules the roost) and gaming it is a big, dull dud at this point needing situational games to shine a little but usually being the same or slower than the 9950X3D2. AMD was right to not promote its gaming prowess. Last gasp for me is how is the silicon quality overall and the IMC but everything else? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 2 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | MSI Vanguard RTX 5090 OC | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 8000 tuned | Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | AC LF III 360 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Gigabyte 9070XT Gaming OC Edition| 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | Antec Flux Pro | Samsung G7 32" 165hz 32" Alienware Area-51 18 | 275HX | Nvidia RTX 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400 |Gen 5 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7
Papusan Posted yesterday at 05:48 PM Posted yesterday at 05:48 PM Hmmm. AMD want pretty premium for the second 3D v-cashe. But $900 USD will be cheap compared to next gen Intel chips with bLLC (Big Last Level Cache). Can't remember have seen mainstream processors going above $900 USD the last two decades. If AMD had the balls and priced it at $999 it would be in HEDT territory. So close but no cigar Could be there is still some hope for people with less outcome... Intel plans to launch overclockable budget CPUs In overall application performance, the Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 looks like that KS-style chip, offering a minor 3.9% jump over the 9950X3D in multithreaded performance when taking common workloads into account. AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 review: More cache, more cash 1 hour ago, electrosoft said: First note is AMD treating Gamers Nexus grimey and not supplying them with a sample. HUB ended up sending theirs to Steve after testing. That is very Nvidia of them to do that. No Ryzen 9950X3D2 for TechPowerUp, Gamers Nexus, or ComputerBase We're not alone. As VideoCardz noted in their review roundup, Gamers Nexus reacted strongly after being denied a sample, ComputerBase, one of the top publications, was also denied, just like many others that you know for their deep, methodical testing—exactly the kind of reviews that dig into cache behavior, inter-CCD latency, power scaling, and per-game CCD parking quirks, which on a part like this are arguably the whole story. 1 "The Killer" ASUS Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel
jaybee83 Posted yesterday at 06:19 PM Posted yesterday at 06:19 PM On 4/20/2026 at 9:06 AM, Mr. Fox said: So, the temporary Mint Mobile carrier lock expired (60 day hold on a new phone) and so I unlocked my new Google Pixel 10 XL Pro and installed GrapheneOS. Super easy and really slick. Initial install took like 15 minutes including the time it took for me to read the instructions. No ADB software or sketchy apk downloads required. (Actually officially authorized by Google as weird as it seems.) So, now no more Google tracking or data collection. I created a Google-free user account named "No Google" and another named "Google Crap" with Google Play and all of the Google apps sandboxed into their own little dysfunctional world where they can't function like the Alphabet identity theft cartel wants them to. So far all of the sandboxed Google garbage is working correctly, including my banking and financial apps. The only part that was a little bit of a pain was my Micro$lop and Google Authenticator app migration. I finally got everything but one of my four Micro$lop accounts working and I cannot get a auth code for it for some reason. I only had one recovery email assigned to that account and trying to receive a text message with a code produces an error that "this method cannot be used right now, please try again later" so maybe tomorrow it will sort itself out. Everything worked normally for the other 3 Micro$lop accounts, Google 2FA and Yahoo, just that one being stubborn. Overall, I am surprised at how little effort this was. Other than having one account with no trace of Google garbage (which is awesome) it seems like an ordinary phone. It's crazy how snappy it functions with like 15 open source (non-Google) apps installed on the de-Googled user account. Things open so instantaneously in the absence of bloat that it is kind of freaky and surreal. congratz on the new phone, shes a beaut! 🙂 and lulz thats funny timing, i actually just switched the other way around and went back from custom to full stock 😄 just dont have the time to tinker with custom roms anymore... 1 hour ago, electrosoft said: Welp, when it rains it pours. First, a big ole tax hit and now the wife's Altima literally died in the drive way and yep the CVT is trashed so now we need a new car. I'll probably just give her mine since she commutes 90 min / day to finish beating up and get us a newer travel/local car..... First note is AMD treating Gamers Nexus grimey and not supplying them with a sample. HUB ended up sending theirs to Steve after testing. That is very Nvidia of them to do that. Yeah, as expected too pricey for what we're getting but it is a mild performance bump over the 9950X3D in normal tasks with some results hitting 20% (blender) but usually ~2-5%. Gaming wise, slightly slower in shader compiles (Intel rules the roost) and gaming it is a big, dull dud at this point needing situational games to shine a little but usually being the same or slower than the 9950X3D2. AMD was right to not promote its gaming prowess. Last gasp for me is how is the silicon quality overall and the IMC but everything else? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: While it is by no means a definitive or comprehensive review, (and may not need to be,) this is shaping up as I expected it might. Not a bad product, but definitely a bad value. The juice ain't gonna be worth the squeeze. https://www.techspot.com/review/3114-amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d2/ Roman seems to have a similar opinion. $900 is a lot of money to spend on something that doesn't matter, or shouldn't matter, to most people. ...and Wendell... yeaaaaaaah.....nope 2 1 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-26) AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D (delidded) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme (Qualcomm QCNCM865 Wifi 7 Upgrade) / MSI Geforce RTX 5090 Suprim SOC / G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-8000 2x24 GB / 4x Western Digital Black SN850P/X 8TB in 2x16TB RAID 0 / Arctic Liquid Freezer III Pro 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 exhaust) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks NV9 MKII Black incl. Premium D-RGB Light Strips Kit (6x Arctic P14 Pro A-RGB black intake / 2x Arctic P14 Pro A-RGB black exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 Pro A-RGB black RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-26) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod!
Mr. Fox Posted yesterday at 10:12 PM Author Posted yesterday at 10:12 PM 3 hours ago, jaybee83 said: congratz on the new phone, shes a beaut! 🙂 and lulz thats funny timing, i actually just switched the other way around and went back from custom to full stock 😄 just dont have the time to tinker with custom roms anymore... Thanks. I like it a lot and my wife loves her Pixel 10 XL Pro, too. Yeah, I don't have time for tinkering either, especially not for smartphone crap. This was super fast and easy. The only tinkering I had to do was the Micro$lop and Google Authenticator migration, but that would have ended the same even with a stock ROM. Getting them going on the new phone with a stock ROM was equally inconvenient. Installing Graphene OS was just as easy as a factory reset, minus all of the garbage I don't want (much of which cannot be removed). No need for hacks or rooting. It felt good to boot to an OS with only about 15 open source Android apps installed and nothing from Google. I am only having an issue with the one Micro$lop account and it's a glitch with the Micro$lop account, not the phone, OS or Authenticator. That problem is still not resolved, but thankfully it is only of my disposable accounts and if I cannot regain access to it I will just abandon it. 1 2 WRAITH | X870E Apex | 9950X | RTX 5090 | 32GB DDR5 @ 8200 | O11 XL EVO | HC-500A Chiller BANSHEE | B850MPOWER | 4585PX | RTX 5080 | 48GB DDR5 @ 8000 | XT M3 Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT
johnksss Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago ugh, so I get the matrix bios installed and then my card starts to black screen. Wont complete any test. Pin variation is off by 3.5 mv between pin 1 and pin 6. I try multiple cables and different bios files and nothing. Was about ready to take the card back when I decided to disconnect the wireview pro and try again. Guess what? No more black screen or 3.5mv pin variation. What a nightmare. 4 Maximus Z790 Apex ~ 14900KS ~ Astral 5090 / MSI 4060 ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8800 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ Corsair HX1500i PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" 240Hz ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ RTX 4060 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Alienware - AW2725QF 27" IPS LED 4K UHD 180Hz MSI Vector 16 HX AI A2XWHG-061US 16" Hwbot Profile
electrosoft Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 2 hours ago, johnksss said: ugh, so I get the matrix bios installed and then my card starts to black screen. Wont complete any test. Pin variation is off by 3.5 mv between pin 1 and pin 6. I try multiple cables and different bios files and nothing. Was about ready to take the card back when I decided to disconnect the wireview pro and try again. Guess what? No more black screen or 3.5mv pin variation. What a nightmare. Original WVP or WVP2? Glad it wasn't the card but still 😞 2 1 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | MSI Vanguard RTX 5090 OC | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 8000 tuned | Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | AC LF III 360 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Gigabyte 9070XT Gaming OC Edition| 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | Antec Flux Pro | Samsung G7 32" 165hz 32" Alienware Area-51 18 | 275HX | Nvidia RTX 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400 |Gen 5 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7
Mr. Fox Posted 19 hours ago Author Posted 19 hours ago 3 hours ago, johnksss said: ugh, so I get the matrix bios installed and then my card starts to black screen. Wont complete any test. Pin variation is off by 3.5 mv between pin 1 and pin 6. I try multiple cables and different bios files and nothing. Was about ready to take the card back when I decided to disconnect the wireview pro and try again. Guess what? No more black screen or 3.5mv pin variation. What a nightmare. 19 minutes ago, electrosoft said: Original WVP or WVP2? Glad it wasn't the card but still 😞 I was about to ask the same. I had to return a WireView Pro that would not work with my 5090. I had similar issues. But, zero problems with the WireView Pro 2. It has been awesome. I am going to buy another one for my 5080, but have been waiting to see if they will become available on Amazon. I think maybe the original WireView and WireView Pro may not be up to the task of handling the extreme power draw of a shunted, overclocked and EVC2-modded 5090 or one with a high power limit like the Matrix vBIOS. 3 1 WRAITH | X870E Apex | 9950X | RTX 5090 | 32GB DDR5 @ 8200 | O11 XL EVO | HC-500A Chiller BANSHEE | B850MPOWER | 4585PX | RTX 5080 | 48GB DDR5 @ 8000 | XT M3 Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT
johnksss Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 2 hours ago, electrosoft said: Original WVP or WVP2? Glad it wasn't the card but still 😞 WVP. I ordered the WVP2, but not sure when that will show up. 1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said: I was about to ask the same. I had to return a WireView Pro that would not work with my 5090. I had similar issues. But, zero problems with the WireView Pro 2. It has been awesome. I am going to buy another one for my 5080, but have been waiting to see if they will become available on Amazon. I think maybe the original WireView and WireView Pro may not be up to the task of handling the extreme power draw of a shunted, overclocked and EVC2-modded 5090 or one with a high power limit like the Matrix vBIOS. Maybe.... I also noticed my ram was supper sketchy with it plugged in as well. 2 1 Maximus Z790 Apex ~ 14900KS ~ Astral 5090 / MSI 4060 ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8800 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ Corsair HX1500i PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" 240Hz ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ RTX 4060 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Alienware - AW2725QF 27" IPS LED 4K UHD 180Hz MSI Vector 16 HX AI A2XWHG-061US 16" Hwbot Profile
Papusan Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: While it is by no means a definitive or comprehensive review, (and may not need to be,) this is shaping up as I expected it might. Not a bad product, but definitely a "VERY" bad value. The juice ain't gonna be worth the squeeze. I fix it for you 🙂 How much extra should the second 3Dv-cashe cost? And how much less should lower max boost clock cost vs 9950X3D ? 🤔 The Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 is a failure: 0.8% faster than the 9950X3D and blacklisted for critical media outlets to publish reviews "The Killer" ASUS Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel
Mr. Fox Posted 9 hours ago Author Posted 9 hours ago (edited) 14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Thanks. I like it a lot and my wife loves her Pixel 10 XL Pro, too. Yeah, I don't have time for tinkering either, especially not for smartphone crap. This was super fast and easy. The only tinkering I had to do was the Micro$lop and Google Authenticator migration, but that would have ended the same even with a stock ROM. Getting them going on the new phone with a stock ROM was equally inconvenient. Installing Graphene OS was just as easy as a factory reset, minus all of the garbage I don't want (much of which cannot be removed). No need for hacks or rooting. It felt good to boot to an OS with only about 15 open source Android apps installed and nothing from Google. I am only having an issue with the one Micro$lop account and it's a glitch with the Micro$lop account, not the phone, OS or Authenticator. That problem is still not resolved, but thankfully it is only of my disposable accounts and if I cannot regain access to it I will just abandon it. Man, so far GrapheneOS seems amazing. We grow numb to the hooks companies like Google, crApple and Micro$lop get set into us and we stop even noticing until it's completely gone. I have to use some of this cancerous crap for work, but having it quarantined in a sandbox and in a completely separate secondary user profile that I log out of and Google Services having control of nothing at the OS level is sweet. GrapheneOS even has its own geolocation service that Google can't touch. You have to deliberately opt-in for the Google Nazi surveillance stuff and you can change your mind later. https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play Looks like Motorola phones will soon have out of the box support for replacing consumer Android with GrapheneOS. That will be nice since right now the only phone supporting it is Google Pixel (which still seems incredibly ironic and may not last forever if enough people start saying yes to a Google-free phone). Edit: here is where I screwed up on the Micro$lop account that I am locked out of... I use MFA and passwordless accounts. On my other three Micro$lop accounts I had three recovery emails and my phone for proof of identity. On the account I am locked out of I had only one recovery email listed. To reset the authenticator you must prove your identity two ways, create a password to access the acount and then change it back to passwordless access after the authenticator is working again. You also get a recovery code with the passwordless setup. For whatever reason the Micro$lop service that handles phone codes and the static recovery code are "not available right now, please try again tomorrow" and today is the third day. The other accounts I was able to get codes at multiple email addresses to reset the authenticator. When I regain access to the account I am locked out of I am going to add at least two more recovery emails to that account like I have with the others so that I do not have to rely on a recovery code or phone text code. Edited 9 hours ago by Mr. Fox added info on MFA issue 1 2 WRAITH | X870E Apex | 9950X | RTX 5090 | 32GB DDR5 @ 8200 | O11 XL EVO | HC-500A Chiller BANSHEE | B850MPOWER | 4585PX | RTX 5080 | 48GB DDR5 @ 8000 | XT M3 Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT
Papusan Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago On 4/20/2026 at 7:40 PM, electrosoft said: NZXT offered him full original MSRP market value plus I am going to assume tax or whatever is the over cost. He wants a current market Astral AND his original card back.... He is hoping the court of public opinion will blow this up a bit and NZXT will just settle. I would have taken the AIO replacement, original cost paid for GPU/MB and went about my way..... The cry baby is greedy....... NZXT issues statement on RTX 5090 AIO leak case, says it actually offered more than $4,300 The company added that it made “five separate compensation offers,” including “a brand-new ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 sourced at retail” and “a cash settlement at current market value.” NZXT made five separate compensation offers, including a brand-new ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 sourced at retail and a cash settlement at current market value. On February 27, NZXT accepted the customer’s own counter-offer of $4,378. He then added new conditions and did not sign. — NZXT This statement changes the picture around the case and suggests NZXT made a stronger effort to resolve it than the original Reddit post indicated. Based on the company’s account, it is not immediately clear why the customer rejected an offer at that level. 2 "The Killer" ASUS Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel
Mr. Fox Posted 8 hours ago Author Posted 8 hours ago 43 minutes ago, Papusan said: The cry baby is greedy....... NZXT issues statement on RTX 5090 AIO leak case, says it actually offered more than $4,300 The company added that it made “five separate compensation offers,” including “a brand-new ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 sourced at retail” and “a cash settlement at current market value.” NZXT made five separate compensation offers, including a brand-new ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 sourced at retail and a cash settlement at current market value. On February 27, NZXT accepted the customer’s own counter-offer of $4,378. He then added new conditions and did not sign. — NZXT This statement changes the picture around the case and suggests NZXT made a stronger effort to resolve it than the original Reddit post indicated. Based on the company’s account, it is not immediately clear why the customer rejected an offer at that level. Some people... sheesh. And, idiots like that not only make themselves look foolish, they make the process more difficult for others when the companies trying to do the right thing get soured on the process and become more resistant. The dummy should just be glad he wasn't dealing with A$$zeus or Gigabutt, because they would not have treated his as fairly as NZXT. 2 WRAITH | X870E Apex | 9950X | RTX 5090 | 32GB DDR5 @ 8200 | O11 XL EVO | HC-500A Chiller BANSHEE | B850MPOWER | 4585PX | RTX 5080 | 48GB DDR5 @ 8000 | XT M3 Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT
electrosoft Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 4 hours ago, Papusan said: The cry baby is greedy....... NZXT issues statement on RTX 5090 AIO leak case, says it actually offered more than $4,300 The company added that it made “five separate compensation offers,” including “a brand-new ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 sourced at retail” and “a cash settlement at current market value.” NZXT made five separate compensation offers, including a brand-new ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 sourced at retail and a cash settlement at current market value. On February 27, NZXT accepted the customer’s own counter-offer of $4,378. He then added new conditions and did not sign. — NZXT This statement changes the picture around the case and suggests NZXT made a stronger effort to resolve it than the original Reddit post indicated. Based on the company’s account, it is not immediately clear why the customer rejected an offer at that level. 3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Some people... sheesh. And, idiots like that not only make themselves look foolish, they make the process more difficult for others when the companies trying to do the right thing get soured on the process and become more resistant. The dummy should just be glad he wasn't dealing with A$$zeus or Gigabutt, because they would not have treated his as fairly as NZXT. Hilarious.... He is really trying to milk the "pain and suffering" (in his mind) component of this transaction. NZXT offers him a brand new Astral sourced or original MSRP. Methinks he wants the cash value of current retail pricing along with the MB cost (vs RMA) AND wants to retain his old Astral to have his cake and eat it too. Greedy. 1 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | MSI Vanguard RTX 5090 OC | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 8000 tuned | Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | AC LF III 360 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Gigabyte 9070XT Gaming OC Edition| 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | Antec Flux Pro | Samsung G7 32" 165hz 32" Alienware Area-51 18 | 275HX | Nvidia RTX 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400 |Gen 5 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7
Papusan Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 12 minutes ago, electrosoft said: Hilarious.... He is really trying to milk the "pain and suffering" (in his mind) component of this transaction. NZXT offers him a brand new Astral sourced or original MSRP. Methinks he wants the cash value of current retail pricing along with the MB cost (vs RMA) AND wants to retain his old Astral to have his cake and eat it too. Greedy. It's called instant karma...😀 1 "The Killer" ASUS Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel
electrosoft Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago This chip is absolutely pointless and crazy expensive. We will need to see a game that A> Truly utilizes X3D B> Actually utilizes more than 8 cores I'm wondering without parking cores during gaming and truly utilizing all 16 cores real time will slight performance hits be realized if processes drift between the CCDs and fabric limitations in AM5? I'm going to notch this up as a , "proof of concept" for AMD and going forward both CCDs will have X3D on AM6 variants to complement the fabric improvements. 3 minutes ago, Papusan said: It's called instant karma...😀 lol, I love that top reply.... I would have been happy with the previous offering, but offering to provide with a new AIO, brand new Astral at current prices and a full RMA on his MB? I mean, damn...... 1 Electrosoft Alpha: 9800X3D | Asus X870E Hero Crosshair | MSI Vanguard RTX 5090 OC | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 @ 8000 tuned | Samsung 9100 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-14900KS SP109 | AC LF III 360 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Gigabyte 9070XT Gaming OC Edition| 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | Samsung 980 1TB Pro | Antec Flux Pro | Samsung G7 32" 165hz 32" Alienware Area-51 18 | 275HX | Nvidia RTX 5070ti | 32GB DDR5 6400 |Gen 5 2TB | 18" QHD | WiFi 7
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