*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Tenoroon]

A bit off topic, but this is the 3rd 51m this guy has fixed, and all of them have had some kind of GPU or motherboard short on a main rail that rendered them inoperable. Just goes to show how terribly built these things are...
 

I also love this clip from his first 51m repair 😉

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Looks like you've got some great performance, bit more tuned than me for sure. This is what I get with the stability test I did earlier today. Once it hit 5000% I went and gamed and had no issues. I'll try and get CR1 and try and tune it down later or tomorrow. 

 

I want the A-Die for Sub 50ns end-game. 

 

Probably only need to tighten up a couple of things. Here are more details on the timings I am using. I can run 6800 32-40-40-28 1T but there is no performance benefit that I can identify because some of the timings need to be loosened for stability which reduces read/write/copy/latency performance. 

52 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

A bit off topic, but this is the 3rd 51m this guy has fixed, and all of them have had some kind of GPU or motherboard short on a main rail that rendered them inoperable. Just goes to show how terribly built these things are...
 

I also love this clip from his first 51m repair 😉

It is terribly unfortunate to see such incompetence. That guy is right. Alienware is a distaster. Dell's mainstream consumer rubbish is status quo for the industry, so there is nothing to talk about in the realm of trashbooks. We expect nothing less than a dumpster fire in that space and it makes no difference who the molester of idiocy is.

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Probably only need to tighten up a couple of things. Here are more details on the timings I am using. I can run 6800 32-40-40-28 1T but there is no performance benefit that I can identify because some of the timings need to be loosened for stability which reduces read/write/copy/latency performance. 

It is terribly unfortunate to see such incompetence. That guy is right. Alienware is a distaster. Dell's mainstream consumer rubbish is status quo for the industry, so there is nothing to talk about in the realm of trashbooks. We expect nothing less than a dumpster fire in that space and it makes no difference who the molester of idiocy is.

hey bro @Mr. Fox that AsRock timing configurator ure using, is that for read out only or what are u using it for? currently on the lookout for some handy tools in prep for my upcoming built 🙂 been out of the desktop game for a while so need to do some catch up 😛 

 

first three items ordered since i was able to snipe them on super low prices:

Corsair M65 Ultra Mouse

Seagate Firecuda 530 4TB SSD

G.Skill Tridenz Z5 DDR5-6600 2x16GB RAM

 

more to come soon! 🤪

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

hey bro @Mr. Fox that AsRock timing configurator ure using, is that for read out only or what are u using it for? currently on the lookout for some handy tools in prep for my upcoming built 🙂 been out of the desktop game for a while so need to do some catch up 😛 

 

first three items ordered since i was able to snipe them on super low prices:

Corsair M65 Ultra Mouse

Seagate Firecuda 530 4TB SSD

G.Skill Tridenz Z5 DDR5-6600 2x16GB RAM

 

more to come soon! 🤪

Yes, the ASROCK tool has never provided any functionality for me other than displaying current memory timings on any system. I do not know if it provides any functionality on an ASROCK board. There are some minor differences between what is displayed in ASUS Mem TweakIt and the ASROCK Timing Configurator. 

EVGA motherboards can use ELEET X1 or the ASUS Mem TweakIt utility for realtime memory changes. MSI can use DragonBall or the ASUS Mem TweakIt utility. ELEET X1 won't launch on an non-EVGA system. DragonBall will not launch on an EVGA system, but it worked well on MSI. DragonBall also worked on my Strix Z490 mobo and it works on my Strix Z690 board.

 

 

My preference in terms of software utilities is MSI DragonBall. I wish it worked on the EVGA motherboards. I like the minimalist experience and no-nonsense GUI that it provides. 
MSI Dragon Ball(1.0.0.10)-intel.zip

[Papusan]

The cooling setup is as it should be (I cut down the tube lenght from pump to block to make it prettier). But the temps isn't what I expected. I can't run CBR-20 +5.5GHz anymore due higher temp vs voltage. There has to be one of 3. The waterblock, the cheapo quick disconnection that restrict flow massively or the pump. I can't pin pont who is the culprit. But it's weird if this is the pump. I know Igors lab strruggle with the Alphacool XPS block on the newer 1700 platform (and the results wasn’t much better with the bend socket fix from Der8auer). I have seen many reviews with 12900K with one cores that run much lower temp than rest of the P-cores. I have changed paste 4 or 5 times. Not much change to make the 1 core more equal the rest of the P-cores/or make the rest of the cores running colder. What I see is the E-cores change a bit. The last paste application even made the two e-core package to differnciate more in temps. THe IHS is flat when out of the socket and I use the newer full metal AlphacoolApex backplate. Difficult to measure IHS flatness when it’s mounted in the chassis.  One thing for sure... The XPS block is old and not a perfect match for socket 1700 processors.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

A few of many applications...

 

From another mount

 

Have used x-cross, sausage application recommended by Igorslab, as well full spread. Tested with less and more paste. And with less and more pressure on the screws. The main difference is the E-cores temp spread. The P-cores not so much.

 

I will try remove the Quick dissconnection (empty the system). Next will be see if I get a better/different cooling block. But that will net me $180 and it will takes some time. 

 

The Alphacool look alike D5 water pump have less water flow vs EK D5 pumps but have a higher hread pressure (tests show it's on level or even beat org EK D5 pump regarding cooling capacity). So I can't think in my mind that the pump is too weak. Or maybe the added 480 mm rad will restrict the water flow. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

The cooling setup is as it should be (I cut down the tube lenght from pump to block to make it prettier). But the temps isn't what I expected. I can't run CBR-20 +5.5GHz anymore due higher temp vs voltage. There has to be one of 3. The waterblock, the cheapo quick disconnection that restrict flow massively or the pump. I can't pin pont who is the culprit. But it's weird if this is the pump. I know Igors lab strruggle with the Alphacool XPS block on the newer 1700 platform (and the results wasn’t much better with the bend socket fix from Der8auer). I have seen many reviews with 12900K with one cores that run much lower temp than rest of the P-cores. I have changed paste 4 or 5 times. Not much change to make the 1 core more equal the rest of the P-cores/or make the rest of the cores running colder. What I see is the E-cores change a bit. The last paste application even made the two e-core package to differnciate more in temps. THe IHS is flat when out of the socket and I use the newer full metal AlphacoolApex backplate. Difficult to measure IHS flatness when it’s mounted in the chassis.  One thing for sure... The XPS block is old and not a perfect match for socket 1700 processors.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

A few of many applications...

 

From another mount

 

Have used x-cross, sausage application recommended by Igorslab, as well full spread. Tested with less and more paste. And with less and more pressure on the screws. The main difference is the E-cores temp spread. The P-cores not so much.

 

I will try remove the Quick dissconnection (empty the system). Next will be see if I get a better/different cooling block. But that will net me $180 and it will takes some time. 

 

The Alphacool look alike D5 water pump have less water flow vs EK D5 pumps but have a higher hread pressure (tests show it's on level or even beat org EK D5 pump regarding cooling capacity). So I can't think in my mind that the pump is too weak. Or maybe the added 480 mm rad will restrict the water flow. 

I recommend either EKWB Velocity2 or OptimusPC Foundation block for the CPU. XSPC Raystorm was a good block for older CPUs but I noticed it was less effective on 10th Gen, Ryzen 9 and 12th Gen than it was on X299 for some strange reason. The Velocity2 block works very well, but is less than convenient because of the rear mounting mechanism. It is inconvenient having to access the back of the motherboard for block removal and installation. It looks excellent, but results are similar to the OptimusPC Foundation block and the OptimusPC block is far more convenient to manage. The OptimusPC Signature block is more expensive than the Foundation block, but doesn't perform better. The main design and cold plate are identical. The Signature is more expensive only because it is a solid metal CNC milled "unibody" block without the acrylic top. Performance is the same. The advantage to the less expensive Foundation block is you can view any debris or sediment accumulating and have a better awareness of when cleaning is needed.

[1610ftw]

13 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

A bit off topic, but this is the 3rd 51m this guy has fixed, and all of them have had some kind of GPU or motherboard short on a main rail that rendered them inoperable. Just goes to show how terribly built these things are...
 

I also love this clip from his first 51m repair 😉

That guy is hilarious - DGFF -> Didn't Give a Flying F### 😄

 

He also refers to BGA books as turdbooks - obviously a man of good taste.

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

will try remove the Quick dissconnection (empty the system). Next will be see if I get a better/different cooling block. But that will net me $180 and it will takes some time. 

 

The Alphacool look alike D5 water pump have less water flow vs EK D5 pumps but have a higher hread pressure (tests show it's on level or even beat org EK D5 pump regarding cooling capacity). So I can't think in my mind that the pump is too weak. Or maybe the added 480 mm rad will restrict the water flow. 

I have eight Koolance QD3 fittings and two Barrow QD fittings on Wraith and three Koolance QD2 (smaller) fittings on Banshee. Banshee has two EK D5 pumps and Wraith has two EK D5 and one Swiftec D5. What kind of QD fitting are you using? Even with 10 fittings on Wraith, I still have over 200 L/h flow rate. They certainly can affect the flow rate, but the impact doesn't seem significant in my situation. If I had to take a best guess, I would suspect the water block is the issue on your system. This is a newly introduced variable after moving from the AIO to the custom loop, and it is probably the weakest link because it is designed for much older CPUs.

[Papusan]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I recommend either EKWB Velocity2 or OptimusPC Foundation block for the CPU. XSPC Raystorm was a good block for older CPUs but I noticed it was less effective on 10th Gen, Ryzen 9 and 12th Gen than it was on X299 for some strange reason. The Velocity2 block works very well, but is less than convenient because of the rear mounting mechanism. It is inconvenient having to access the back of the motherboard for block removal and installation. It looks excellent, but results are similar to the OptimusPC Foundation block and the OptimusPC block is far more convenient to manage. The OptimusPC Signature block is more expensive than the Foundation block, but doesn't perform better. The main design and cold plate are identical. The Signature is more expensive only because it is a solid metal CNC milled "unibody" block without the acrylic top. Performance is the same. The advantage to the less expensive Foundation block is you can view any debris or sediment accumulating and have a better awareness of when cleaning is needed.

Yep, I don’t like the Velocity2 block mounting mechanism. Very stupid design because you are very limited to socket. But it’s cool better than any Optimus blocks. And Optimus blocks will be very expensive here home. Add 35% premium on top of what you have to pay in U.S. Maybe there is other options that could fit. And who knows what Intel will do with its IHS for Raptor lake (they know about the bending). Maybe they make some improvements for the IHS. And then you have 14th gen next with new socket. What a mess. 

[Papusan]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have eight Koolance QD3 fittings and two Barrow QD fittings on Wraith and three Koolance QD2 (smaller) fittings on Banshee. Banshee has two EK D5 pumps and Wraith has two EK D5 and one Swiftec D5. What kind of QD fitting are you using? Even with 10 fittings on Wraith, I still have over 200 L/h flow rate. They certainly can affect the flow rate, but the impact doesn't seem significant in my situation. If I had to take a best guess, I would suspect the water block is the issue on your system. This is a newly introduced variable after moving from the AIO to the custom loop, and it is probably the weakest link because it is designed for much older CPUs.

It’s the cheaper QD fitting from Alphacool. I’m sure it hamper the flow due it’s design. 
 

Dual pumps help massively on flow rate. Even 90 C degrees bends will hamper the water flow. 
 

Yep, much of the problem lies on the water block that’s not designed for newer processors. And Intel’s bending mess doesn’t make it any better. You even get variances on the flatness within several mountings. 

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, Papusan said:

Yep, I don’t like the Velocity2 block mounting mechanism. Very stupid design because you are very limited to socket. But it’s cool better than any Optimus blocks. And Optimus blocks will be very expensive here home. Add 35% premium on top of what you have to pay in U.S. Maybe there is other options that could fit. And who knows what Intel will do with its IHS for Raptor lake (they know about the bending). Maybe they make some improvements for the IHS. And then you have 14th gen next with new socket. What a mess. 

Quantum Magnitude 1700 should also be good. I have not tested it. But, it would probably be more expensive than an OptimusPC Foundation block.

 

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-magnitude-d-rgb-1700-nickel-plexi

 

I think even a Corsair Hydro X block would be a big improvement over what you have now. It is made with a cold plate very similar to what you had on your AIO. That would likely be the most inexpensive option.

Heatkiller Pro for 1700 may also be a good option. 

https://www.titanrig.com/watercool-heatkiller-iv-pro-cpu-water-block-intel-lga-1x00-03-20-wc-0192-00-xx.html?color=335

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, Papusan said:

It’s the cheaper QD fitting from Alphacool. I’m sure it hamper the flow due it’s design. 
 

Dual pumps help massively on flow rate. Even 90 C degrees bends will hamper the water flow. 
 

Yep, much of the problem lies on the water block that’s not designed for newer processors. And Intel’s bending mess doesn’t make it any better. You even get variances on the flatness within several mountings. 

Have you done the washer mod? That should help.

 

Or, get one of these. I have one on both systems. Screws only need to be snugged, not tightened. Also makes a nice barrier for liquid metal.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B8GHWHNP

[Papusan]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

Quantum Magnitude 1700 should also be good. I have not tested it. But, it would probably be more expensive than an OptimusPC Foundation block.

 

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-magnitude-d-rgb-1700-nickel-plexi

 

I think even a Corsair Hydro X block would be a big improvement over what you have now. It is made with a cold plate very similar to what you had on your AIO. That would likely be the most inexpensive option.

Heatkiller Pro for 1700 may also be a good option. 

https://www.titanrig.com/watercool-heatkiller-iv-pro-cpu-water-block-intel-lga-1x00-03-20-wc-0192-00-xx.html?color=335

Yep, I know that the newer Corsair block is well suited for 12th gen due its cold plate. But who knows how it will do with 13th gen. And we have variances already today for IHS flatness/concave/convexity. 

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Have you done the washer mod? That should help.

 

Or, get one of these. I have one on both systems. Screws only need to be snugged, not tightened. Also makes a nice barrier for liquid metal.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B8GHWHNP

I have the full metal Apex backplate that replace Intel’s ILM plate. And from what I know the bending fix from Alphacool doesn’t help much on my block(even with adding the bending fix etc from Grizzly). Remember I also could run higher voltage vs temp before. It’s most likely the block I have.  I just can’t wait 1 months for special parts that may not help. I need a another block. But only God know how a new block works on Raptor lake. The XPS blocks flatness is amazing but need perfect flat IHS. And the fin’s in the block may or may not be optimal for 13/14th gen (wrong desiged jet plate for newer gen chips). + it’s already confirmed that the XPS block has some very high flow restrictions. A  very nice block if you svap out to different setups.  

 

Edit. Here's the QD fittings from AC. It seems restrictive for the water flow. I think the inner diameter is too small/cramped + the design for these QDC's will restrict the water flow more than from other higher premium QDC's.

 

Removed the fittings from the tube. So no more chance to drain the loop in a proper way. Will get a drain plug instead for QDC fittings when I find out what type block I will go for ( much better solution).

 

The last length of black tube went as replacement. Aka 1 cm tube left from the roll with the black variant 🙂 I have some lengtht of clear tubes but that would destroy the "all black" finish.

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 9/6/2022 at 9:57 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I just ordered two brand new 16GB sticks of the naked green PCB Hynix like Splave is selling on HWBOT at more than $400 a pair for $80 each. I hope they overclock as nicely. They'll be perfect for my water cooling setup. Then I can either sell the RGB stuff or store them for spare parts. 

 

On 9/6/2022 at 10:36 PM, Talon said:

I don't think those are "A-Die" SK Hynix. 

 

A die have an "A" in the middle of the part # instead of the M. They're also 5600MTs 1.1v instead of 4800MTs 1.1v

 

On 9/6/2022 at 10:44 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Dang it! I thought I had matched the part number exactly. I must have purchased from the wrong listing by accident. I had identified a listing with the identical part number, so I may have to turn around and resell them if they suck at overclocking.

 

On 9/6/2022 at 11:52 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Doing more research, that part number that I purchased may still be OK. I think it is the same IC as what most of us have for SK Hynix modules from G.SKILL, TeamGroup and others already that can run 6800+ stable. Hopefully, they will be a good bin quality so I don't have to resell them.

Well... as luck would have it, these naked generic DDR5-4800 SK Hynix modules with no XMP that I purchased brand new on eBay for $80 each overclock better than my TeamGroup RGB sticks, LOL. And, totally naked with nothing but a fan blowing on them they run a good 15-20°C  cooler than memory with stock trash heat sinks beautification covers on them. What a wonderful find at an affordable price. Using exactly the same manual settings they perform better.

 

@johnksss

 

This is actually as cool as the stick were running on water. It seems like the stock heat sinks we are getting on the overpriced brand-name memory are actually trapping heat rather than shedding it.

 

Conclusion: If you are looking for performance rather than aesthetics, then don't waste your hard-earned money on branded sticks with worthless beautification covers inappropriately labeled as "heat sinks" LOL. $80 each, brand new... what's not to love? And, no need to fart around with buggy nightmare RGB trash software messes just to kill an RGB rainbow puke parade.

 

Next Steps: Back to the water cooling so I can see how far these sticks can go.

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

 

Well... as luck would have it, these naked generic DDR5-4800 SK Hynix modules with no XMP that I purchased brand new on eBay for $80 each overclock better than my TeamGroup RGB sticks, LOL. And, totally naked with nothing but a fan blowing on them they run a good 15-20°C  cooler than memory with stock trash heat sinks beautification covers on them. What a wonderful find at an affordable price. Using exactly the same manual settings they perform better.

 

@johnksss

 

This is actually as cool as the stick were running on water. It seems like the stock heat sinks we are getting on the overpriced brand-name memory are actually trapping heat rather than shedding it.

 

Conclusion: If you are looking for performance rather than aesthetics, then don't waste your hard-earned money on branded sticks with worthless beautification covers inappropriately labeled as "heat sinks" LOL. $80 each, brand new... what's not to love? And, no need to fart around with buggy nightmare RGB trash software messes just to kill an RGB rainbow puke parade.

 

Next Steps: Back to the water cooling so I can see how far these sticks can go.

thats an awesome find! could you list the serial numbers falling into this high-oc category? u mentioned before u used a slightly different serial number than originally intended.

 

i checked for them here in europe, but no dice, no listings currently on offer. but last time they WERE listed they went for 80€, pretty neat. the only offers i could find were on ebay from the US, but shipping and import duties would defeat the whole purpose 😛 

[Custom90gt]

yeah I'd be interested in links to what you purchased. I was just thinking I'd love to change the server to DDR5 and something with IPMI...

[Mr. Fox]

10 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

thats an awesome find! could you list the serial numbers falling into this high-oc category? u mentioned before u used a slightly different serial number than originally intended.

 

7 hours ago, Custom90gt said:

yeah I'd be interested in links to what you purchased. I was just thinking I'd love to change the server to DDR5 and something with IPMI...

What originally drew my attention was the generic Hynix A-die @Splave was selling on HWBOT. The module (not IC) part number was HMCG78AGBUA081N BA. These are DDR5-5600 16GB modules. I have requested he take a photograph of the actual memory IC so we can see the printed part numbers on the modules. If he is kind enough to do that, I will repost the image here for reference. See image of the part number decal in spoiler below.

Spoiler

I searched for HMCG78AGBUA081N on eBay. By accident, I ordered module part number HMCG78MEBUA081N, which is DDR5-4800 16GB. It appears these have the same IC as the common good quality SK Hynix modules we are buying under branded names like G.SKILL, TeamGroup, Corsair and others that will overclock to 6800+ depending on silicon quality. So, while it wasn't the A-die that I intended to order, it was still a truly excellent buy at $80 USD per stick. It overclocks extremely well and will be better than paying more for a branded module that needs to have the heat sink (beauty shields) removed and replaced with legit heat sinks or run naked with a cooling fan to control the thermals. Unless you're into in, paying extra for RGB is a total waste and ultimately an unwelcomed physical impediment if you want memory modules that do not overheat with crappy original equipment "heat sinks" trapping the heat.

 

Below are images of the modules and IC close-ups of the memory in my possession for anyone that wants to search for these or the A-die DDR5-5600 variant. As you can see from the Thaiphoon Burner data, the generic modules I bought on eBay look to be the same IC as what is on the far more expensive TeamGroup Delta RGB modules, and probably other brands like G.SKILL and Corsair.

 

 

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

What originally drew my attention was the generic Hynix A-die @Splave was selling on HWBOT. The module (not IC) part number was HMCG78AGBUA081N BA. These are DDR5-5600 16GB modules. I have requested he take a photograph of the actual memory IC so we can see the printed part numbers on the modules. If he is kind enough to do that, I will repost the image here for reference. See image of the part number decal in spoiler below.

  Hide contents

I searched for HMCG78AGBUA081N on eBay. By accident, I ordered module part number HMCG78MEBUA081N, which is DDR5-4800 16GB. It appears these have the same IC as the common good quality SK Hynix modules we are buying under branded names like G.SKILL, TeamGroup, Corsair and others that will overclock to 6800+ depending on silicon quality. So, while it wasn't the A-die that I intended to order, it was still a truly excellent buy at $80 USD per stick. It overclocks extremely well and will be better than paying more for a branded module that needs to have the heat sink (beauty shields) removed and replaced with legit heat sinks or run naked with a cooling fan to control the thermals. Unless you're into in, paying extra for RGB is a total waste and ultimately an unwelcomed physical impediment if you want memory modules that do not overheat with crappy original equipment "heat sinks" trapping the heat.

 

Below are images of the modules and IC close-ups of the memory in my possession for anyone that wants to search for these or the A-die DDR5-5600 variant. As you can see from the Thaiphoon Burner data, the generic modules I bought on eBay look to be the same IC as what is on the far more expensive TeamGroup Delta RGB modules, and probably other brands like G.SKILL and Corsair.

 

 

thx bud, appreciate the info! so funny to see how the current DDR5 market is a bit like a wild west scenario, i guess vendors are just happy to have any stock available to sell off, barely any time to properly bin the chips they have 😄 golden opportunity for us tuning freaks tho!

[Mr. Fox]

All dressed up again. 

[Papusan]

I despises Pcworld's main editors taste for modern/todays tech, but he hit the nail on the head on this one. 
Steve has to please all his audience on his Youtube channel. Maybe the reason he land on the opposite side of the fense. Sometimes you just can't please all... 

Gordon thinks small form factor PCs suck. Does Gamers Nexus agree?

SFF builds are terrible, according to Gordon Ung. Steve from GamersNexus says they're great. Who's right?
https://www.pcworld.com/article/1064364/small-form-factor-pcs-suck-and-gordons-tired-of-pretending-they-dont.html

 

 

 

[Reciever]

22 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I despises Pcworld's main editors taste for modern/todays tech, but he hit the nail on the head on this one. 
Steve has to please all his audience on his Youtube channel. Maybe the reason he land on the opposite side of the fense. Sometimes you just can't please all... 

Gordon thinks small form factor PCs suck. Does Gamers Nexus agree?

SFF builds are terrible, according to Gordon Ung. Steve from GamersNexus says they're great. Who's right?
https://www.pcworld.com/article/1064364/small-form-factor-pcs-suck-and-gordons-tired-of-pretending-they-dont.html

 

 

 

Most of the time I cant justify ATX or E-ATX. For a long time of my experience in PC building, it just seemed liked waste real estate which just leads me to believe you either you have to commit into the form factor for a long term to fully realize it (if you are of humble means) or have the cash to flat out fill out that frame.

 

Ultimately it comes down to that special electrical signal in your brain that tickles your fancy. For me the challenge to drive performance from SFF's was more fun than the endurance race that the ATX form factor became for me. Though that was really just my perspective at the time. 

 

These days I technically have both, my AM4 ITX x570 system that I personally use and the 10850K systems that I run as a Plex / Miner @ 5Ghz and using 2 shelves to hold it all.

 

I guess Im on the fence :D

[Clamibot]

6 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Most of the time I cant justify ATX or E-ATX. For a long time of my experience in PC building, it just seemed liked waste real estate which just leads me to believe you either you have to commit into the form factor for a long term to fully realize it (if you are of humble means) or have the cash to flat out fill out that frame.

 

Ultimately it comes down to that special electrical signal in your brain that tickles your fancy. For me the challenge to drive performance from SFF's was more fun than the endurance race that the ATX form factor became for me. Though that was really just my perspective at the time. 

 

These days I technically have both, my AM4 ITX x570 system that I personally use and the 10850K systems that I run as a Plex / Miner @ 5Ghz and using 2 shelves to hold it all.

 

I guess Im on the fence 😄

 

For me, I prefer SFF because I really value portability, but I also prefer the ATX form factor because I'm all about absolute maximum performance. These two things are at odds with each other, so there's always a major conflict in my mind before building a new system. Only one of these things can win out, and I always end up compromizing in some way.

 

I have yet to have ever built a system I was completely happy with. There's always something I hate about the system, whether it be that it's too big and not portable enough, it doesn't have enough processing power and expandability because it's too space limited, it was too expensive to build.

 

Things may be changing on that front for me pretty soon. I'm waiting for the Sliger Trego to be released so I can snatch up one of those suckers and finally build an SFF PC with processing power that matches that of a full tower PC.

 

I want absolute maximum desktop level performance and upgradeability in a portable form factor. My Clevo X170SM-G is the closest to those 3 attributes I've gotten so far.

[Mr. Fox]

I think the bigger issue for people that are keenly interested in overclocking is the fact that nobody makes extreme performance SFF products. That makes sense because it would be counter-intuitive to even pretend otherwise. SFF, by its very nature, is founded on a concept of compromise in one form or another... price, size, performance... all the above. Some people want that. For a person such as myself, the concept is totally incompatible with my interests.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

All dressed up again.