Etern4l Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, jaybee83 said: ready for GPU and yeah yeah i know, too much unicorn vomit. havent installed OS yet 😛 im happy with how cable management turned out, must say not bad for being out of the desktop game 15 years now, eh? 😁 Cool. How does the air inflow work? Fans on top blowing down? "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Etern4l said: Cool. How does the air inflow work? Fans on top blowing down? for now i only have the AiO rad fans up front as intakes, nothing else. i held back on purchasing additional fans because i wanted to have the case in front of me first for planning out number and orientation, as well as keeping as much budget as possible for the unknown gpu prices at launch. im glad i did for the latter, lol. ill be ordering 6x Noctua 140mm IPPC3000 fans to switch the rad to push n pull up front as intake, then move the current Arctic P14 ARGB fans to the top as outlets. i plan to add in additional 3x P12 to the bottom as intakes, one P14 in the back as outlet and maybe one more P14 on the back of the GPU to assist the vertical air flow from the bottom across the GPU and put some direct airflow on the RAM sticks to help with OC. basically, i now got all the core system components together, so the focus will shift more towards accessories like fans, internal display, monitor colorimeter for calibration, etc.... 2 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, jaybee83 said: for now i only have the AiO rad fans up front as intakes, nothing else. i held back on purchasing additional fans because i wanted to have the case in front of me first for planning out number and orientation, as well as keeping as much budget as possible for the unknown gpu prices at launch. im glad i did for the latter, lol. ill be ordering 6x Noctua 140mm IPPC3000 fans to switch the rad to push n pull up front as intake, then move the current Arctic P14 ARGB fans to the top as outlets. i plan to add in additional 3x P12 to the bottom as intakes, one P14 in the back as outlet and maybe one more P14 on the back of the GPU to assist the vertical air flow from the bottom across the GPU and put some direct airflow on the RAM sticks to help with OC. basically, i now got all the core system components together, so the focus will shift more towards accessories like fans, internal display, monitor colorimeter for calibration, etc.... Sounds like a plan. This is getting a bit off topic, but have you used IPPC3000s before? They are supposed to be quite loud at higher speeds. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, Etern4l said: Sounds like a plan. This is getting a bit off topic, but have you used IPPC3000s before? They are supposed to be quite loud at higher speeds. haha nope, havent used them before, but im aware that they tend to get pretty loud. but keeping them at 800 rpm or fan stop should be fine for desktop use / light loads. just want to have the ability to ramp things up when needed 😉 1 1 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, jaybee83 said: ready for GPU and yeah yeah i know, too much unicorn vomit. havent installed OS yet 😛 im happy with how cable management turned out, must say not bad for being out of the desktop game 15 years now, eh? 😁 No need to have the Arctic cooler's fan cables in front🙂 Just mount the cable on the other side of the fans and out of sight. And happy building, brother. Looking good. But be careful with too much bling bling. Not ok for the eyes, LOOL When I had the AF 420 in my box, I replaced the fans and tied the cable out of sight. This way I didn't have to cut them (if I later want to sell the cooler). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the reasons Nvidia wait with the lower end 4000 series cards (get rid of the oversupply from Ampere). NVIDIA graphics driver quietly adds GeForce RTX 3070 Ti (GA102) and new RTX 3060 series support https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-graphics-driver-quietly-adds-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-ga102-and-new-rtx-3060-series-support The Geforce RTX 3060 gets 12 GB of GDDR6X memory 2022-10-10 Although the Geforce RTX 4000 series "Ada Lovelace" enters the scene this week, the glory days are not yet over for the RTX 3000 series.... 1 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, jaybee83 said: ready for GPU and yeah yeah i know, too much unicorn vomit. havent installed OS yet 😛 im happy with how cable management turned out, must say not bad for being out of the desktop game 15 years now, eh? 😁 You go with the SuprimX? You are in for a serious upgrade in performance. 1 Spoiler The Beast Asus Z790 APEX | Intel i9 13900K | ASUS RTX 4090 Strix OC | 64gb DDR5 7466 CL34 Dual Rank A-Dies | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | Innocn 4K 160Hz Mini LED HDR1000 | LG 27GN950-B 4K 160Hz | Corsair 170i Elite LCD 420mm AIO | Corsair 7000D | EVGA 1600w T2 Little Beast EVGA Z690 DARK | Intel i9 13900K | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 SK Hynix DDR5 8000 CL36 A-Dies | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | LG OLED C1 4K 120Hz G-Sync/FreeSync | Alienware AW2721D 1440p 240Hz G-Sync Ultimate | Corsair 115i Elite 280mm AIO | Lian Li 011 Dynamic | EVGA 1000w P6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Damn, I fell asleep waiting on a bench to run....🤣 3 1 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 Somebody needs to release one that has a full GPU block like the EVGA Hydro Copper that is, in every respect, ordinary GPU block except that it comes with a pre-installed AIO with the pump mounted at the radiator. Then the person buying it could simply remove the G1/4 fittings from the block an add it to a custom loop if they wanted it that way later on. Then there would be nothing extra to buy unless you wanted to, and refilling and servicing the AIO would be as easy as refilling and servicing a custom loop. It would give the owner all the options that a normal AIO offers and all of the freedom afforded by a custom loop if they decide to go that way later on. They could even get creative in the design of the block to do something revolutionary like incorporating a DDC pump into the plexi top on the block. That would also be serviceable if it were an industry standard DDC pump. It would also provide an inline auxiliary pump on a custom loop similar to a chassis mounted distribution block with an integrated DDC pump. Another way an AIB partner could distinguish itself and offer something unique and compelling for customers to purchase their brand is to develop a proprietary software utility that would only work for their brand that would function similar to NVCleanstall that would mod a standard Nvidia driver to add Windows 7 support for their vendor-specific hardware ID. It could be a one-click mod and install utility. I can tell you right now that I would buy that brand over another. Others would potentially follow their lead and prove to the world that they are no longer a harlot that is willing to kiss the hiney (or something more deviant below the belt) of the Redmond Retards. 2 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Houston.....errr, ah, California. We have a problem! It would seem the 4090 does not like Windows 10. First stock run fans on stock. 1 1 1 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 39 minutes ago, johnksss said: Houston.....errr, ah, California. We have a problem! It would seem the 4090 does not like Windows 10. First stock run fans on stock. Dayum. That's like an 1100 point drop on the overall score if I am seeing it correctly. Hopefully, it is just a driver glitch and not a real issue. I am already resistant to purchasing a product that doesn't support Windows 7, but I would certainly dismiss the viability of any hardware that would require Winduhz 11 to achieve full performance. That would be a realy douchebag issue to have to put up with and I don't think I would willingly tolerate it. Companies that do stuff like that deliberately deserve to be decimated financially, with extreme malice and ill will... just to return the favor. They way I see it, a stab in the back deserves a bullet to the brain. 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 52 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: Dayum. That's like an 1100 point drop on the overall score if I am seeing it correctly. Hopefully, it is just a driver glitch and not a real issue. I am already resistant to purchasing a product that doesn't support Windows 7, but I would certainly dismiss the viability of any hardware that would require Winduhz 11 to achieve full performance. That would be a realy douchebag issue to have to put up with and I don't think I would willingly tolerate it. Companies that do stuff like that deliberately deserve to be decimated financially, with extreme malice and ill will... just to return the favor. I'm resetting driver and settings and rerunning it again. Edit: I mean stock. Edit: No go. Still low numbers. I did manage to hit 37900 on GPU....once. LOL Edit: Edit: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/31366505/spy/31363576 1 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 4 hours ago, johnksss said: I'm resetting driver and settings and rerunning it again. Edit: I mean stock. Edit: No go. Still low numbers. I did manage to hit 37900 on GPU....once. LOL Edit: Edit: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/31366505/spy/31363576 Hmm.. The 12900K CPU score looks consistently lower on Win 10, bro.... what gives? A buggy benchmark? "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Etern4l said: Hmm.. The CPU score looks consistently lower on Win 10, bro.... what gives? A buggy benchmark? Buggy benchmark? I'm not running my cpu flat out, just doing some testing of this card first. 1 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, johnksss said: Buggy benchmark? I'm not running my cpu flat out, just doing some testing of this card first. That was a bit of a joke on the back of people claiming Alder Lake performs better on Windows 10. That's inconsistent with my experience and Intel recommendations. Perhaps it does in some benchmarks but not others and not necessarily in actual applications. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Anyone knows if it's possible to get a direct reading on Alder Lake memory controller/bus utilisation? Can't see anything in HWInfo 7.26-4800. Another monitoring tool perhaps? "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 10 hours ago, Papusan said: No need to have the Arctic cooler's fan cables in front🙂 Just mount the cable on the other side of the fans and out of sight. And happy building, brother. Looking good. But be careful with too much bling bling. Not ok for the eyes, LOOL When I had the AF 420 in my box, I replaced the fans and tied the cable out of sight. This way I didn't have to cut them (if I later want to sell the cooler). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the reasons Nvidia wait with the lower end 4000 series cards (get rid of the oversupply from Ampere). NVIDIA graphics driver quietly adds GeForce RTX 3070 Ti (GA102) and new RTX 3060 series support https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-graphics-driver-quietly-adds-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-ga102-and-new-rtx-3060-series-support The Geforce RTX 3060 gets 12 GB of GDDR6X memory 2022-10-10 Although the Geforce RTX 4000 series "Ada Lovelace" enters the scene this week, the glory days are not yet over for the RTX 3000 series.... haha yep, im aware of those fan cables up front. this was just a quick swap of the fans to the other side of the rad so that i would only need one set of screws to tighten the rad and the fans to the case. this is just temporary anyways until i get the Noctua fans in 🙂 as for BLING, for now no other choice until i get to installing 😂 and other input u have for the build or the LF II 420, lemme know bud. 10 hours ago, Talon said: You go with the SuprimX? You are in for a serious upgrade in performance. upgrading from a 980M to a Suprim X 4090? nah, id say that upgrade would be barely noticeable.... 🤣 and yes, i went with the MSI haha 8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Somebody needs to release one that has a full GPU block like the EVGA Hydro Copper that is, in every respect, ordinary GPU block except that it comes with a pre-installed AIO with the pump mounted at the radiator. Then the person buying it could simply remove the G1/4 fittings from the block an add it to a custom loop if they wanted it that way later on. Then there would be nothing extra to buy unless you wanted to, and refilling and servicing the AIO would be as easy as refilling and servicing a custom loop. It would give the owner all the options that a normal AIO offers and all of the freedom afforded by a custom loop if they decide to go that way later on. They could even get creative in the design of the block to do something revolutionary like incorporating a DDC pump into the plexi top on the block. That would also be serviceable if it were an industry standard DDC pump. It would also provide an inline auxiliary pump on a custom loop similar to a chassis mounted distribution block with an integrated DDC pump. Another way an AIB partner could distinguish itself and offer something unique and compelling for customers to purchase their brand is to develop a proprietary software utility that would only work for their brand that would function similar to NVCleanstall that would mod a standard Nvidia driver to add Windows 7 support for their vendor-specific hardware ID. It could be a one-click mod and install utility. I can tell you right now that I would buy that brand over another. Others would potentially follow their lead and prove to the world that they are no longer a harlot that is willing to kiss the hiney (or something more deviant below the belt) of the Redmond Retards. iirc i read on overclock.net that the Gigabyte liquid card has a true waterblock on it that covers everything. so not just a hybrid thingy like the MSI Liquid sku. however, i dunno if that would include easily disconnectable tubes from the card. speaking of overclock.net, i stayed up late last night and scoured several forums and news sites to get a feel of how the sales launch went for the 4090. seems that there were a LOT of scalpers and bots out there buying up almost all the inventory. this resulted in a LOT of angry would-be buyers who didnt get a shot at getting a card. after reading all that im even more happy i was able to snipe a 4090, at a great price and with a reputable shop, at that! in the meantime, ive been looking around here in Europe for stock and i can still see cards popping up here and there and in stock / actually buy-able. so i think this is some kind of delayed release where shops and distributors just let them trickle out bit by bit so that bots n scalpers have less of an impact in buying up huge amount of cards all at once. lets see how this continues! anyone dare to bet that 4090 stock will SUDDENLY be completely grand and awesome once RDNA comes around? 😂 btw, card should be here any minute now, w00t w00t 😁 5 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. 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Etern4l Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 11 hours ago, jaybee83 said: haha nope, havent used them before, but im aware that they tend to get pretty loud. but keeping them at 800 rpm or fan stop should be fine for desktop use / light loads. just want to have the ability to ramp things up when needed 😉 Interesting. AFAIR they were also louder in the 800-2k RPM range vs the other Noctua fans due to a different design. Will be interesting to see what you'll find. Being a bit paranoid about noise, I did not even get one to test - possibly a mistake. 28 minutes ago, jaybee83 said: speaking of overclock.net, i stayed up late last night and scoured several forums and news sites to get a feel of how the sales launch went for the 4090. seems that there were a LOT of scalpers and bots out there buying up almost all the inventory. this resulted in a LOT of angry would-be buyers who didnt get a shot at getting a card. after reading all that im even more happy i was able to snipe a 4090, at a great price and with a reputable shop, at that! Def feels like a semi-paper release. Zero availability in the UK as far as I could see. Being a de facto monopolist is just great, you can pull sh1t like that on your customers no problem - they won't just turn around and buy a competing product. 2 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 39 minutes ago, jaybee83 said: iirc i read on overclock.net that the Gigabyte liquid card has a true waterblock on it that covers everything. so not just a hybrid thingy like the MSI Liquid sku. however, i dunno if that would include easily disconnectable tubes from the card. Yeah, close but no cigar there. I would be inclined to pass on that. They ruined it with fixed hoses and putting them on the end like that was an extremely stupid idea that limits installation options. A poorly designed and very ugly product. https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Graphics-Card/GV-N4090AORUSX-W-24GD#kf Gigabutt should have made it like this, only with an easily removable hybrid add-on. https://www.tweaktown.com/news/88538/inno3d-geforce-rtx-4090-ichill-frosbite-tiny-water-cooled/index.html 2 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Etern4l said: Interesting. AFAIR they were also louder in the 800-2k RPM range vs the other Noctua fans due to a different design. Will be interesting to see what you'll find. Being a bit paranoid about noise, I did not even get one to test - possibly a mistake. Def feels like a semi-paper release. Zero availability in the UK as far as I could see. Being a de facto monopolist is just great, you can pull sh1t like that on your customers no problem - they won't just turn around and buy a competing product. nah im not too worried about noise. just need to ensure the wife approval factor goes through haha 1 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 7 hours ago, johnksss said: I'm resetting driver and settings and rerunning it again. Edit: I mean stock. Edit: No go. Still low numbers. I did manage to hit 37900 on GPU....once. LOL Edit: Edit: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/31366505/spy/31363576 Thanks for the testing bro John. A huge downturn for me have to install Win 11 only for 3Dmark suite. I try to avoid have it installed in my pc's. Have more than enough ssd place for it but the new OS give me nothing (tested it several times). Even tweaked. Can you check out all benches in 3Dmark package and post results (Win 10 vs 11)? Same for Superposition benchmark. Both oc'd and stock results. I think Nvidia help Microsoft to tune drivers to work better for their newest OS. Because Microsoft need all help they can get. Again thanks 🙂 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Papusan said: Thanks for the testing bro John. A huge downturn for me have to install Win 11 only for 3Dmark suite. I try to avoid have it installed in my pc's. Have more than enough ssd place for it but the new OS give me nothing (tested it several times). Even tweaked. Can you check out all benches in 3Dmark package and post results (Win 10 vs 11)? Same for Superposition benchmark. Both oc'd and stock results. I think Nvidia help Microsoft to tune drivers to work better for their newest OS. Because Microsoft need all help they can get. Again thanks 🙂 The benefit of Intel Thread Director in Win 11 is likely to be less visible in straightforward synthetic benchmarks such as CB, which just load every core with a similar piece of pure computation. The optimal scheduling is trivial here. You need more complicated workloads to see the difference, even 3D Mark is potentially slightly more tricky to schedule for Windows 10 on Alder Lake. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cylix Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 1 7950X3D| Zotac 4090 AMP Extreme Airo| MSI MPG B650 Edge Wifi| Lian Li Galahad 360 V2| 48GB GSkillTrident Z RGB 7600|Kingston KC3000 2TB| Fury Renegade 2TB| Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo| Corsair HX1500i| Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo Asus Zephyrus G15 (Ryzen 9 6900HS + RTX3080) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Somebody needs to release one that has a full GPU block like the EVGA Hydro Copper that is, in every respect, ordinary GPU block except that it comes with a pre-installed AIO with the pump mounted at the radiator. Then the person buying it could simply remove the G1/4 fittings from the block an add it to a custom loop if they wanted it that way later on. Then there would be nothing extra to buy unless you wanted to, and refilling and servicing the AIO would be as easy as refilling and servicing a custom loop. It would give the owner all the options that a normal AIO offers and all of the freedom afforded by a custom loop if they decide to go that way later on. They could even get creative in the design of the block to do something revolutionary like incorporating a DDC pump into the plexi top on the block. That would also be serviceable if it were an industry standard DDC pump. It would also provide an inline auxiliary pump on a custom loop similar to a chassis mounted distribution block with an integrated DDC pump. Another way an AIB partner could distinguish itself and offer something unique and compelling for customers to purchase their brand is to develop a proprietary software utility that would only work for their brand that would function similar to NVCleanstall that would mod a standard Nvidia driver to add Windows 7 support for their vendor-specific hardware ID. It could be a one-click mod and install utility. I can tell you right now that I would buy that brand over another. Others would potentially follow their lead and prove to the world that they are no longer a harlot that is willing to kiss the hiney (or something more deviant below the belt) of the Redmond Retards. Ask and you shall receive (sorta) 🙂 https://videocardz.com/press-release/alphacool-releases-360mm-aio-kit-for-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-reference-gpus 3 Electrosoft Prime: SP109 14900KS | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x16GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, jaybee83 said: haha yep, im aware of those fan cables up front. this was just a quick swap of the fans to the other side of the rad so that i would only need one set of screws to tighten the rad and the fans to the case. this is just temporary anyways until i get the Noctua fans in 🙂 as for BLING, for now no other choice until i get to installing 😂 and other input u have for the build or the LF II 420, lemme know bud. upgrading from a 980M to a Suprim X 4090? nah, id say that upgrade would be barely noticeable.... 🤣 and yes, i went with the MSI haha iirc i read on overclock.net that the Gigabyte liquid card has a true waterblock on it that covers everything. so not just a hybrid thingy like the MSI Liquid sku. however, i dunno if that would include easily disconnectable tubes from the card. speaking of overclock.net, i stayed up late last night and scoured several forums and news sites to get a feel of how the sales launch went for the 4090. seems that there were a LOT of scalpers and bots out there buying up almost all the inventory. this resulted in a LOT of angry would-be buyers who didnt get a shot at getting a card. after reading all that im even more happy i was able to snipe a 4090, at a great price and with a reputable shop, at that! in the meantime, ive been looking around here in Europe for stock and i can still see cards popping up here and there and in stock / actually buy-able. so i think this is some kind of delayed release where shops and distributors just let them trickle out bit by bit so that bots n scalpers have less of an impact in buying up huge amount of cards all at once. lets see how this continues! anyone dare to bet that 4090 stock will SUDDENLY be completely grand and awesome once RDNA comes around? 😂 btw, card should be here any minute now, w00t w00t 😁 I can feel your excitement brother! Jesus a 980m to 4090, holy crap you're going to be blown away by the performance. Unboxxing pictures or RIOT!!! 😀 1 1 Spoiler The Beast Asus Z790 APEX | Intel i9 13900K | ASUS RTX 4090 Strix OC | 64gb DDR5 7466 CL34 Dual Rank A-Dies | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | Innocn 4K 160Hz Mini LED HDR1000 | LG 27GN950-B 4K 160Hz | Corsair 170i Elite LCD 420mm AIO | Corsair 7000D | EVGA 1600w T2 Little Beast EVGA Z690 DARK | Intel i9 13900K | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 SK Hynix DDR5 8000 CL36 A-Dies | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | LG OLED C1 4K 120Hz G-Sync/FreeSync | Alienware AW2721D 1440p 240Hz G-Sync Ultimate | Corsair 115i Elite 280mm AIO | Lian Li 011 Dynamic | EVGA 1000w P6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Yeah, close but no cigar there. I would be inclined to pass on that. They ruined it with fixed hoses and putting them on the end like that was an extremely stupid idea that limits installation options. A poorly designed and very ugly product. https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Graphics-Card/GV-N4090AORUSX-W-24GD#kf Gigabutt should have made it like this, only with an easily removable hybrid add-on. https://www.tweaktown.com/news/88538/inno3d-geforce-rtx-4090-ichill-frosbite-tiny-water-cooled/index.html Yeah the Gigabyte model extends it a bit further than an EVGA/MSI AIO Hybrid and uses a copper plate to cover all the vital hot spots but it isn't as expansive or well done as a true block. The 3090 variant had decent temps. Here is Dawid breaking the 3090ti variant down: 1 Electrosoft Prime: SP109 14900KS | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x16GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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