johnksss Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just looking at Rift Breaker benchmark explains that it's done wrong as some important settings do not match nor does the windows version... 1 1 Maximus Z790 Apex ~ 13900K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 7800 Mhz ~ 1TB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Thermaltake 1650W GF3 ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, electrosoft said: New EVGA CLC AIOs 360mm = $300 280mm = $270 240mm = $250 https://www.evga.com/articles/01585/evga-clx-series/ Nice. +88% in price increase due new (more) bling bling. This means near or above 400$ usd here home. I wonder what they will add in premium for their next gen PSUs and rest of their tech gears. 1 2 1 2 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, electrosoft said: Every time I see a Strix 4090 video it grows on me more and more but that $2k price.... Same here. You can almost guarantee a waterblock for all the Strix models. And it looks greats too. Personally, I would just run it on air cooling for a while my self. Then I’d get bored and want to blast it with daily water chilling. 2 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Papusan said: Nice. +88% price increase due more bling bling. No thanks. I wonder what they will add in premium for their next gen PSUs. 88%? Damn that's high! 1 1 1 1 Maximus Z790 Apex ~ 13900K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 7800 Mhz ~ 1TB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Thermaltake 1650W GF3 ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, johnksss said: 88%? Compared to old AIOs (360mm) MSRP. What people normally have to pay. 1 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, Papusan said: Compared to old AIOs MSRP. What people normally have to pay. I have the old one sitting right here. 360MM, but it was 119.99 and not 89.99. 😄 1 Maximus Z790 Apex ~ 13900K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 7800 Mhz ~ 1TB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Thermaltake 1650W GF3 ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, johnksss said: I have the old one sitting right here. 360MM, but it was 119.99 and not 89.99. 😄 HaHa. Even worse then 🙃 Yep you will get better deals on the new as well. As an example. 300 MSRP minus 50% = 200$. Still not cheap and not near their older models in price with an price deal. This is going the wrong way, bro John. Edit. I also got a very good deal on the older models a couple of years ago. Well under half price in the used market (brand new - not used). 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Papusan said: HaHa. Even worse then 🙃 Yep you will get better deals on the new as well. As an example. 300 MSRP minus 50% = 200$. Still not cheap and not near their older models in price with an price deal. This is going the wrong way, bro John. You do know that that MSRP is like the middle of the road right? On a scale of like 5 different price points. the 159.99 price point is like 4 and 89.99 is like maybe 2. Edit: Isn't going from 90 dollars to 300 dollars...isn't that a 270% increase? 1 1 Maximus Z790 Apex ~ 13900K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 7800 Mhz ~ 1TB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Thermaltake 1650W GF3 ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, johnksss said: You do know that that MSRP is like the middle of the road right? On a scale of like 5 different price points. the 159.99 price point is like 4 and 89.99 is like maybe 2. Depends where you are/live in the world. This is from here home. The old model. 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, Papusan said: Depends where you are/live in the world. This is from here home. The old model. Ah, now that makes way more sense now! Thanks for that. 1 Maximus Z790 Apex ~ 13900K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 7800 Mhz ~ 1TB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Thermaltake 1650W GF3 ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 26 minutes ago, Papusan said: Nice. +88% in price increase due new (more) bling bling. This means near or above 400$ usd here home. I wonder what they will add in premium for their next gen PSUs and rest of their tech gears. The new bling bling will look nice in open/glass cases, but will probably provide slightly negative value in terms of cooling performance. RGB fans perform strictly worse. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, Etern4l said: The new bling bling will look nice in open/glass cases, but will probably provide slightly negative value in terms of cooling performance. RGB fans perform strictly worse. Oh snap! You just reminded me. let me turn my bling bling on now. 😂 4 Maximus Z790 Apex ~ 13900K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 7800 Mhz ~ 1TB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Thermaltake 1650W GF3 ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Etern4l said: The new bling bling will look nice in open/glass cases, but will probably provide slightly negative value in terms of cooling performance. RGB fans perform strictly worse. The fans specs is acually good. A lot better than for the precious gen (noise level). The negative is the more fancy colors if you don't know how to turn it of, LOOL I hope EVGA offer better software than what the majority offer. "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Papusan said: HaHa. Even worse then 🙃 Yep you will get better deals on the new as well. As an example. 300 MSRP minus 50% = 200$. Still not cheap and not near their older models in price with an price deal. This is going the wrong way, bro John. Edit. I also got a very good deal on the older models a couple of years ago. Well under half price in the used market (brand new - not used). People would be better off building a custom loop with the price of a good AIO. It’s one of the few PC components we get to re-use over and over. These are (3) main parts radiator, pump, waterblock. All for the cost of only $161 dollars. Tubing is $1 dollar per 1ft, and fittings are like $5 each. Someone could probably build it even cheaper than that. 3 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, johnksss said: Oh snap! You just reminded me. let me turn my bling bling on now. 😂 My bling bling was already on, but then again there is no cooling issue to worry about at present. If there is in the future, the RGB fans will be the first to go. 7 minutes ago, Papusan said: The fans specs is acually good. A lot better than for the precious gen. Whether they are good or not depends on the criteria, but yeah, they look quite powerful. That said, they don't specify noise levels, probably for a good reason 🤣 1 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, Etern4l said: My bling bling was already on, but then again there is no cooling issue to worry about at present. If there is in the future, the RGB fans will be the first to go. Whether they are good or not depends on the criteria, but yeah, they look quite powerful. That said, they don't specify noise levels, probably for a good reason 🤣 Their specs for the old one (360mm) New one... The EVGA fans is quite good. I like them. And I expect the new one is equal good (just turn of the lights). 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, Etern4l said: My bling bling was already on, but then again there is no cooling issue to worry about at present. If there is in the future, the RGB fans will be the first to go. Whether they are good or not depends on the criteria, but yeah, they look quite powerful. That said, they don't specify noise levels, probably for a good reason 🤣 Me personally, i'm not overly concerned about it as this is my Windows 2022 Server. I have the ability to turn on or off the lighting so not an issue. But it makes for seeing things under the desk at night, 100% more enjoyable. 2 Maximus Z790 Apex ~ 13900K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 7800 Mhz ~ 1TB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Thermaltake 1650W GF3 ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 53 minutes ago, Papusan said: The EVGA fans is quite good. I like them. And I expect the new one is equal good (just turn of the lights) A downturn if you chose the newer 280mm AIO. The previous model cooled about equal good as the bigger 360mm AIO's. I wonder why the fan specs is not comprehensive on all models. The old 120mm fans and new have almost same specs, but not for the bigger 140mm fans (near 28% less cooling performance for the new and shiny). For me, this looks more as design/features over functionality. Fans can be tuned down if the noise is too much. But you can't do the opposite (increase performance for better cooling). This rub me the wrong way. And I don't like that EVGA continue with the weak anc cheap plastic backplate for socket 1700. How much do they save vs a proper metal backplate? 1$ ? "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 44 minutes ago, Papusan said: Their specs for the old one (360mm) New one... The EVGA fans is quite good. I like them. And I expect the new one is equal good (just turn of the lights). Ah, you're right. Still, those seem to be very loud fans. The fans in Arctic Freezer II ARGB are 0.3 Sone which apparently is 10.6 dB... 28 minutes ago, johnksss said: Me personally, i'm not overly concerned about it as this is my Windows 2022 Server. I have the ability to turn on or off the lighting so not an issue. But it makes for seeing things under the desk at night, 100% more enjoyable. I understand that the impact of RGB on fan characteristics has more to do with the additional resistance / airflow disturbance caused by the LED+wiring. The amount of heat emitted by these in operation is negligible. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, Papusan said: Fans can be tuned down if the noise is too much. But you can't do the opposite (increase performance for better cooling). Not necessarily. Some fans are louder along the entire RPM curve. In other words, you might need to turn them down to a much lower RPM point (obviously resulting in worse cooling) to achieve the same noise level as fans with better accoustics. If you look at the specs, even if you turn the EVGA fans to the minimum, they will still be louder than the Arctic fans at max speed. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Etern4l said: Not necessarily. Some fans are louder along the entire RPM curve. In other words, you might need to turn them down to a much lower RPM point (obviously resulting in worse cooling) to achieve the same noise level as fans with better accoustics. If you look at the specs, even if you turn the EVGA fans to the minimum, they will still be louder than the Arctic fans. None still know the quality of the fans. Need to be tested. 12 minutes ago, Etern4l said: Ah, you're right. Still, those seem to be very loud fans. The fans in Arctic Freezer II ARGB are 0.3 Sone which apparently is 10.6 dB... I understand that the impact of RGB on fan characteristics has more to do with the additional resistance / airflow disturbance caused by the LED+wiring. The amount of heat emitted by these in operation is negligible. The problem with the Arctic Freezer II ARGB is if you turn down the fan speed you also turn down the pump speed. This is one of the worst thing you can do for the pumps longeivity(clogged pump). I prefer full speed for the pump. 2 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 29 minutes ago, Papusan said: None still know the quality of the fans. Need to be tested. The problem with the Arctic Freezer II ARGB is if you turn down the fan speed you also turn down the pump speed. This is one of the worst thing you can do for the pumps longeivity(clogged pump). I prefer full speed for the pump. Interesting point, but it seems that fans and pump can't can be independently controlled on the Arctic. Anyway, good thing it's so quiet it can also be run at full speed no probs (as I have to do anyway) 🙂 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 4 hours ago, electrosoft said: Every time I see a Strix 4090 video it grows on me more and more but that $2k price.... resist that temptation! get another sku instead for like 500 bucks less 😄 3 hours ago, electrosoft said: New EVGA CLC AIOs 360mm = $300 280mm = $270 240mm = $250 https://www.evga.com/articles/01585/evga-clx-series/ would be nice for corsair to get a bit more competition in that space. pricing is comparably crazy but at least with EVGA i have hope that there might be some worthwhile extras with it like software, tuning ability, good fans, etc. and not just an apple-esque "name" tax. 2 hours ago, Reciever said: Wouldnt mind EVGA shoving Corsair out of the spaces they current inhabit, seems like that is the direction they might be headed. word. 1 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Red on copper looks really cool!! 5 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, tps3443 said: People would be better off building a custom loop with the price of a good AIO. It’s one of the few PC components we get to re-use over and over. These are (3) main parts radiator, pump, waterblock. All for the cost of only $161 dollars. Tubing is $1 dollar per 1ft, and fittings are like $5 each. Someone could probably build it even cheaper than that. This looks really tempting, but wouldn't there be more of a leak risk when going with budget components? For me the biggest draw would be the ability to use slim liquid cooled GPUs, but that seems to involve custom water blocks, at least for the 4090 so far? "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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