*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Etern4l]

On 10/16/2022 at 10:24 PM, tps3443 said:

Playing around with dyes. What have I done? I told my self I’d never do this again. 
 

 

 

 

Could you please explain this build a little? Where does the black tube go? An uber external reservoir/pump/radiator presumably?

[tps3443]

46 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

This looks really tempting, but wouldn't there be more of a leak risk when going with budget components? For me the biggest draw would be the ability to use slim liquid cooled GPUs, but that seems to involve custom water blocks, at least for the 4090 so far?

 

 

 

Not at all. All of those items are name brand within the watercooling community. Magicool/Bykski/Swiftech.

 

Also, using distilled water is your friend it’s not conductive. It does slowly become conductive over time, so swapping water periodically can ease your worries. AIO’s can leak just like anything else. 
 

I have never had a real water leak, I have never leak tested components, I don’t even use the PSU jumper to run pumps only. Never had a leak. Honestly, if you just pay attention to what your doing you’ll be fine. 

[Reciever]

I had a leak my first time, but I also went out of my way to use color dyed non conductive water for my first go as I expected as I often do tend to get excited about these sorts of expenditures. 

 

 

[tps3443]

31 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Could you please explain this build a little? Where does the black tube go? An uber external reservoir/pump/radiator presumably?

The black tube goes directly to a ekwb D5 pump in the bottom of my test bench.

[Etern4l]

30 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I had a leak my first time, but I also went out of my way to use color dyed non conductive water for my first go as I expected as I often do tend to get excited about these sorts of expenditures. 

 

 

 

Must have been a bit annoying/laborious to deal with. How long did it take for the leak to develop?

[jaybee83]

still setting up Hyperion and already encountered some driver install issues, but for now im just barreling through all my apps n games to get it done asap.

 

in any case, was just curious to check it out (naturally 😛), so did some quick n dirty oc on the 4090 with MSI AB, ended up with 3150 Mhz Core and 24.1 Gbps on the VRAM. hot dayum! 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Interesting point, but it seems that fans and pump can't can be independently controlled on the Arctic. Anyway, good thing it's so quiet it can also be run at full speed no probs (as I have to do anyway) 🙂

How can you controll all fans, pump and the vrm fan independently with a single cable and connector out from the pump to the MB fan header? Have Arctic changed the cable management/added more connectors?

 

https://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/luke-hill/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-360-a-rgb-review/6/#:~:text=A single 4-pin cable controls the radiator fans%2C pump%2C and VRM fan – all of which operate under PWM conditions. That means that each of those components was reduced in terms of its operating speed when we targeted the 40dBA noise output.

 

When I had the Arctic Liquid Freezer II (rev 4 or 5). The AIO cooler from Arctic are up in rev 7 now🙃 I swapped out the fans with others and let the MB handle the speed for the fans via their own cables. The pump ran at full speed 24/7 connected to the MB fan header. I prefer to split it up my way. I prefer have greater control than the unisex way. 

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

Must have been a bit annoying/laborious to deal with. How long did it take for the leak to develop?

Oh that was immediate, too much tension on the CPU block for how I made the initial route, complete impatience mistake. 

 

The little bit of foresight I had though was I ran it with the PSU out of the case so cleaning it up was not as much of a chore as one would think in a traditional scenario. After correcting with zip ties as insurance (lol) I let it run like for a few days with towels underneath.

 

I would love to watercool again, the main issue is really, how I know I would approach the situation. Perhaps one degree removed from @Mr. Fox save for the chiller. Perhaps after my student loans are paid off I will reconsider, but thats some time away :) 

[Etern4l]

34 minutes ago, Papusan said:

How can you controll all fans, pump and the vrm fan independently with a single cable and connector out from the pump to the MB fan header? Have Arctic changed the cable management/added more connectors?

 

https://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/luke-hill/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-360-a-rgb-review/6/#:~:text=A single 4-pin cable controls the radiator fans%2C pump%2C and VRM fan – all of which operate under PWM conditions. That means that each of those components was reduced in terms of its operating speed when we targeted the 40dBA noise output.

 

When I had the Arctic Liquid Freezer II (rev 4 or 5). The cooler are up in rev 7 now🙃 I swapped out the fans with others and let the MB handle the speed for the fans via their own cables. The pump ran at full speed 24/7 connected to the MB fan header. I prefer to split it up my way. I prefer have greater control than the unisex way. 

 

You're right of course. There is actually another header (which confused me) but it's not powering the fans, it's just for the RGB.  Sorry, I couldn't actually look on the other side of the case so took a bad guess 😕

[Etern4l]

28 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Oh that was immediate, too much tension on the CPU block for how I made the initial route, complete impatience mistake. 

 

The little bit of foresight I had though was I ran it with the PSU out of the case so cleaning it up was not as much of a chore as one would think in a traditional scenario. After correcting with zip ties as insurance (lol) I let it run like for a few days with towels underneath.

 

I would love to watercool again, the main issue is really, how I know I would approach the situation. Perhaps one degree removed from @Mr. Fox save for the chiller. Perhaps after my student loans are paid off I will reconsider, but thats some time away 🙂

 

Alright, that's good - the nightmare scenario is the installation failing while unattended. So was it worth it in the end? For me the extra hassle (and perceived risk) never seemed to justify the effort however, I am beginning to see the appeal, especially given the fresh realisation there is the distilled water / low conductivity liquids option. Of course, looks like a decent CPU+GPU loop would cost a good few hundred $. Can you even cool someting like a 3090/4090 + 12900KS using a single thick 360 radiator? At the moment the CPU AIO coolant temp is maybe around 35C, so seems like there is headroom.

Edit: Nope, need two radiators therefore a new case or one of those external radiator setups...: https://customerservice.ekwb.com/hc/en-us/articles/205235861-What-size-radiator-do-I-need-for-my-system-

 

 

Gosh, that's fugly... sorry.

 

The other question is: how often does one need to service the setup? AIOs claim 5 years+ lifetime.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

Edit: Nope, need two radiators therefore a new case or one of those external radiator setups...: https://customerservice.ekwb.com/hc/en-us/articles/205235861-What-size-radiator-do-I-need-for-my-system-

 

 

Gosh, that's fugly... sorry.

 

The other question is: how often does one need to service the setup? AIOs claim 5 years+ lifetime.

EK have the answers 🙂

 

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Nvidia... Why? Because Nvidia would save a few bucks and only offer cheap a$$ DP1.4. 

 

DisplayPort 2.1 specs released, just before AMD unleashes RDNA 3 GPUs

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10223/colorful-igame-geforce-rtx-4090-vulcan-oc/index.html

 

VESA has just announced the updated DisplayPort 2.1 specification today, also announcing that any DisplayPort 2.0-ready product is now a DisplayPort 2.1-certified product.... and those products do NOT include NVIDIA's new GeForce RTX 40 series GPUs (unfortunately, and very silly I might add).

 

Even this was too problematic offer with the overpriced 4000 series cards..... 

Cablemod unveils 90 degree angle 12VHPWR power adapter for GeForce RTX 40 GPUs

 

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

Alright, that's good - the nightmare scenario is the installation failing while unattended. So was it worth it in the end? For me the extra hassle (and perceived risk) never seemed to justify the effort however, I am beginning to see the appeal, especially given the fresh realisation there is the distilled water / low conductivity liquids option. Of course, looks like a decent CPU+GPU loop would cost a good few hundred $. Can you even cool someting like a 3090/4090 + 12900KS using a single thick 360 radiator? At the moment the CPU AIO coolant temp is maybe around 35C, so seems like there is headroom.

Edit: Nope, need two radiators therefore a new case or one of those external radiator setups...: https://customerservice.ekwb.com/hc/en-us/articles/205235861-What-size-radiator-do-I-need-for-my-system-

 

 

Gosh, that's fugly... sorry.

 

The other question is: how often does one need to service the setup? AIOs claim 5 years+ lifetime.

 

One single HW Labs 360 GTX or 360 GTR will get the job done EASY. Most people who are using massive radiators are chasing very low coolant numbers. You probably don’t need all that.
 

(1) single really good 360mm radiator can go along ways! 

 

If I were to run one radiator it would be a HW Labs 360 GTX or 360 GTR. 
 

The HW Labs GTX models work great with lower fan RPM’s and fan speeds up

to 1,800RPM. The GTR is a new model that scales a little better with really high fan RPM’s. So starting at 1,800-3,000+ RPM. But we’re talking about a lot of noise. So the GTX is a little more flexible. 
 

The HWLabs GTX is easily the best radiator in the world “If using a case”, and nothing can beat it. Even just a 280GTX and a single D5 pump will cool a 4090 and a 12900K. 

[Etern4l]

20 minutes ago, Papusan said:

EK have the answers 🙂

 

Not all apparently, only the ones involving their products 🙂

Apart from the somewhat unsightly external multi-radiator grills, there are the freezers - this is supposed to generate just 20 dBA noise, less than the new EVGA fans 🤣

 

https://www.aquatuning.co.uk/water-cooling/radiators/chiller/7248/waterchiller-hailea-ultra-titan-150-hc130-110watt-cooling-capacity?c=2745

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

Alright, that's good - the nightmare scenario is the installation failing while unattended. So was it worth it in the end? For me the extra hassle (and perceived risk) never seemed to justify the effort however, I am beginning to see the appeal, especially given the fresh realisation there is the distilled water / low conductivity liquids option. Of course, looks like a decent CPU+GPU loop would cost a good few hundred $. Can you even cool someting like a 3090/4090 + 12900KS using a single thick 360 radiator? At the moment the CPU AIO coolant temp is maybe around 35C, so seems like there is headroom.

Edit: Nope, need two radiators therefore a new case or one of those external radiator setups...: https://customerservice.ekwb.com/hc/en-us/articles/205235861-What-size-radiator-do-I-need-for-my-system-

 

 

Gosh, that's fugly... sorry.

 

The other question is: how often does one need to service the setup? AIOs claim 5 years+ lifetime.

 

I had fun with it at the time, iirc I made 2 SFF watercooling systems based around water. I had also intended to do the same for the Rampage III Extreme but a number a circumstances in my life led me to sell it all off and move to laptops.

 

Using non conductive water for my first time trying watercooling definitely took the obvious risk off the table though I treated it as more of an insurance policy, which worked in my favor. its worth considering that it does become conductive over time.

[Papusan]

Swapped to the FE edition and increased the scores at first try after dealing with the Strix over two hours. Nvidia is about to eat their own AIB partners. If you go with the FE you can recup 400$ for other tech gears or just save it it for a Cpu upgrade if you have a upgrade path. Yep, nvidia know how to kick its partners balls. Fantastic idea, push their partners to design more expensive cooling, HaHa

 

A Plague Tale: Requiem Review: Really nice graphics with enormous GPU requirements
https://www.computerbase.de/2022-10/a-plague-tale-requiem-benchmark-test/

 

Only the RTX 4090 is fast enough for real Ultra HD
The task is even more difficult in 2,560 × 1,440. The Radeon RX 6800 XT again falls short of the mark, only the Radeon RX 6900 XT skips it. With Nvidia, this is possible from a GeForce RTX 3080. And in Ultra HD, even with a resolution scaling of 80 percent, this is only possible with the GeForce RTX 3090 Ti. And of course the new GeForce RTX 4090, which is the only graphics card that clearly exceeds the 60 FPS limit and offers triple-digit frame rates.

[Mr. Fox]

Following the example of Brother @johnksss(something that always serves me well) I use only automotive coolant. I use the straight 50/50 pre-mix and it works fantastic. I use the Asian import type because it's blue and very pale coloring (so pale that it looks clear in the lines). You can only see the color in the reservoirs. My systems have never stayed cleaner for so long and it's very low conductivity. It's as close to zero maintenance as I think you can get. Absolutely no issues with organic growth or corrosion that I can identify.

 

After having both options, I don't think I'd ever deliberately choose to have an internal radiator over an external radiator again. It works better and is easier to manage when you have a big 360 by 360 radiator sitting on your desk outside of the chassis. It also frees up tons of working space inside of the chassis and keeps the interior of the case much cooler with nothing adding heat to the interior space except for the PCH, memory and VRMs.  The effect of those items is very low and difficult to identify because it is easily exhausted and replaced by cooler outside air.

 

After I figure out whether or not I can revive the 2080 Ti I'm probably going to move Banshee to an external radiator setup like Wraith. I am only procrastinating long enough to land on a configuration that includes the GPU so I do not have to redo it. It's not difficult or time consuming to change it as the build morphs, I just don't like the inconvenience of having to redo it when I can avoid it by not getting the cart before the horse.

[tps3443]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Following the example of Brother @johnksss(something that always serves me well) I use only automotive coolant. I use the straight 50/50 pre-mix and it works fantastic. I use the Asian import type because it's blue and very pale coloring (so pale that it looks clear in the lines). You can only see the color in the reservoirs. My systems have never stayed cleaner for so long and it's very low conductivity. It's as close to zero maintenance as I think you can get. Absolutely no issues with organic growth or corrosion that I can identify.

 

After having both options, I don't think I'd ever deliberately choose to have an internal radiator over an external radiator again. It works better and is easier to manage when you have a big 360 by 360 radiator sitting on your desk outside of the chassis. It also frees up tons of working space inside of the chassis and keeps the interior of the case much cooler with nothing adding heat to the interior space except for the PCH, memory and VRMs.  The effect of those items is very low and difficult to identify because it is easily exhausted and replaced by cooler outside air.

 

After I figure out whether or not I can revive the 2080 Ti I'm probably going to move Banshee to an external radiator setup like Wraith. I am only procrastinating long enough to land on a configuration that includes the GPU so I do not have to redo it. It's not difficult or time consuming to change it as the build morphs, I just don't like the inconvenience of having to redo it when I can avoid it by not getting the cart before the horse.

 

I assumed you’d grab a RTX4090, then the RTX3090 KP HC would move in to your work Computer. But after hearing that the RTX4090 doesn’t support Windows 7, then I guess that’s a no go for you.

[Mr. Fox]

47 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, nvidia know how to kick its partners balls. 

They took a page straight out of the Micro$oft playbook on how to treat the people that love you like dung. You also have to put part of the blame on the AIB partners for being such willing and compliant butt-kissers. Resisting evil with goodness will get you where it got EVGA... ostracized for doing what is right and best for customers goes against the flow. It makes you a troublemaker and they only want Muppets to star in their crippled hardware and Skynet-sponsored software Nazi $hit$hows.

 

The clowns at crApple taught the industry to never give customers what they want because it is so much more profitable to be a shepherd god of Kool-Aid drinking sheeple that are too damned stupid to know what they want. After all, their daddy is going tell them exactly what they should want. They just need to shut up and fall in line.

[Papusan]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

They took a page straight out of the Micro$oft playbook on how to treat the people that love you like dung. You also have to put part of the blame on the AIB partners for being such willing and compliant butt-kissers. Resisting evil with goodness will get you where it got EVGA... ostracized for doing what is right and best for customers goes against the flow. It makes you a troublemaker and they only want Muppets to star in their crippled hardware and Skynet-sponsored software Nazi $hit$hows.

NVIDIA GeForce 522.25 Driver Analysis - Gains for all Generations

Why NVIDIA limited its driver changelog to claiming performance gains only with RTX 30-series is anyone's guess—maybe because RTX 20-series and GTX 10-series are end-of-life (except for the RTX 2060 12 GB and GTX 1030 that launched in 2022); or maybe they have a mountain of RTX 30-series cards that they want to sell—we don't know. NVIDIA Release Notes PDFs of late tend to be disorganized, with information scattered across different pages. For example, there's almost always changes that are not listed in the official PDF, but that the NVIDIA Game Ready blog post talks about, so we have to puzzle things together for our news coverage.

[Mr. Fox]

52 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I assumed you’d grab a RTX4090, then the RTX3090 KP HC would move in to your work Computer. But after hearing that the RTX4090 doesn’t support Windows 7, then I guess that’s a no go for you.

Yeah, the idea of spending ~$2,000 on a cookie-cutter GPU that has metered performance, cancer firmware and functionality limited to the OS that the $atanic Overlord wants the world to use makes me want to do something to them that would put me in jail, probably on death row. Maybe in time I will grow numb to their insolent behavior, but I'm not there yet.

 

Even if I were already over it, I would be waiting for the 4090 Ti and choosing one with third-party waterblock support. Buying a 4090 when a Ti is probably in the works and soon to drop would be kind of silly. Same reason I cancelled the 13900K pre-order. I'll just wait and see how it works out for everyone else. If I like it, I will spring for the better binned 13900KS. If not, then I will just keep using what I already have and not spend any money.

 

I am thinking it makes more sense to follow Brother @Papusan example and only buy used EOL video cards so you can beat all of the old best scores when it is too late for the original players to come back and challenge you. That's actually very smart, strategic and stealth warfare, like executing a strike on your enemy in the still of the night while they are sleeping and unable to react fast enough to save their own hide.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Cablemod unveils 90 degree angle 12VHPWR power adapter for GeForce RTX 40 GPUs

 

 

 

Wow. It's nice to see something intelligent released to counteract the morbid stupidity of a new socket put in a really idiotic place on the GPU. I know the heatsinks are about 30% longer than the PCB, but they could/should use an extension cord to position it in a more intelligent spot than on top in the middle. That is where waterblock fittings need to be, not the power input. That also makes for a real eyesore and a cable-routing mess. While I don't like the idea of a new socket, I can't imagine how much more challenging it would be to wrangle three 8-pin connectors into the same idiotic position on the GPU. The smaller 12-pin is almost necessary because the PCB is too small for three 8-pin connectors.

 

What is even more stupid is the smaller PCB on the biggest GPU the world has ever seen. You can't make this stuff up... it is SO DUMB. Just don't fix what isn't broken, Green Goofball.

[Papusan]

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

New EVGA CLC AIOs

 

360mm = $300

280mm = $270

240mm = $250

 

https://www.evga.com/articles/01585/evga-clx-series/

 

 

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

Nice. +88% in price increase due new (more) bling bling. This means near or above 400$ usd here home. I wonder what they will add in premium for their next gen PSUs and rest of their tech gears.

 

9 hours ago, johnksss said:

88%? Damn that's high!

 

Only one comment. But spot on😁 And right in time for Zen4😛

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/299957/evga-announces-clx-series-aio-liquid-cpu-coolers

[tps3443]

Nice to see free gains with the RTX3090 with the new driver. Assassins Creed Valhalla has boosted up nicely a few other titles as well. I’ll take anything. 
 

So while a GPU fps boost helps, I’m still CPU limited in certain titles. RDR2 especially running around Valentine with lots of people around, other games too. I’m ready for a 13900K and that nice double in multithreaded performance. 

[Etern4l]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Following the example of Brother @johnksss(something that always serves me well) I use only automotive coolant. I use the straight 50/50 pre-mix and it works fantastic. I use the Asian import type because it's blue and very pale coloring (so pale that it looks clear in the lines). You can only see the color in the reservoirs. My systems have never stayed cleaner for so long and it's very low conductivity. It's as close to zero maintenance as I think you can get. Absolutely no issues with organic growth or corrosion that I can identify.

 

After having both options, I don't think I'd ever deliberately choose to have an internal radiator over an external radiator again. It works better and is easier to manage when you have a big 360 by 360 radiator sitting on your desk outside of the chassis. It also frees up tons of working space inside of the chassis and keeps the interior of the case much cooler with nothing adding heat to the interior space except for the PCH, memory and VRMs.  The effect of those items is very low and difficult to identify because it is easily exhausted and replaced by cooler outside air.

 

After I figure out whether or not I can revive the 2080 Ti I'm probably going to move Banshee to an external radiator setup like Wraith. I am only procrastinating long enough to land on a configuration that includes the GPU so I do not have to redo it. It's not difficult or time consuming to change it as the build morphs, I just don't like the inconvenience of having to redo it when I can avoid it by not getting the cart before the horse.

 

Ha. I'm liking the idea of liquid cooling more and more. The main problem with the external radiator grid I've found so far is aesthetics. Didn't anyone come up with a nice chassis for this, for those who don't have the time/skills/tools to make one?

[jaybee83]

update on the neptune 4090, power range is 550 to 630W:

 

https://m.expreview.com/85168.html

[cylix]

15 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

update on the neptune 4090, power range is 550 to 630W:

 

https://m.expreview.com/85168.html

Oh man think is the best looking 4090 out there and like always hard to get😂