Papusan Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, Etern4l said: OK, I am still assuming we meant to compare apples to apples (as opposed to mobile vs desktop etc) i.e. vs 2 gens back: the 14 nm i9-11900K 🙂 He meant his own chips, so I don't count in Intels 11th gen failure (backported to Intel's 14 nm+++++++ process node)🙂 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: Brother @tps3443 is either living right or struck a deal with the devil on the 11900K and his 13900KF. Two lucky strikes in a row. Only he could tell us which one is more accurate. 😉 No deals lol, just took a gamble on the KF model hoping I’d come out okay. I was assuming Intel was pulling all the good 13900K models with IGP for the upcoming 13900KS, all speculation of course. I don’t know how they actually do it. 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, tps3443 said: No deals lol, just took a gamble on the KF model hoping I’d come out okay. I was assuming Intel was pulling all the good 13900K models with IGP for the upcoming 13900KS, all speculation of course. I don’t know how they actually do it. Every single KF chip will be used as KF (only binning will be for clock speed). If Intel was really smart they would release an 13900KFS 🙂 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, Papusan said: He meant his own chips, so I don't count in Intels 11th gen failure (backported to Intel's 14 nm process node)🙂 If we are comparing against mobile CPUs then it's not fair lol The 12900HX is already 20% slower than the 12900KS. Still not sure where the 2 gens would come in here in this case 😉 1 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 2 hours ago, jaybee83 said: haha ure turning heads, congratz! are you take him up on his offer? might wanna ask what they have in mind with "something nice" from EVGA. too bad they dont make GPUs anymore 😄 aw man, wish i could join u guys in CPU and RAM OC here, had a loooot to catch up on esp regarding Ryzen 7000 tuning. but im now slowly getting an idea of what settings matter and what approaches would be promising. in any case, currently started off with tuning the 4090, easiest and quickest to do for now 😛 got +1550 Mhz stable for 24/7 on the vRAM (= 24.1 Gbps), now turning my focus on the core. lets see what we get! really happy with the STRIX OC vbios so far, lets me downclock and force way lower limits than before for desktop usage. also not bumping into power limits anymore, which is nice! 🙂 lets see if it stays that way once i start bumping up the core. So your card wont do 1700+ on memory? Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Nvidia instructs AIB partners to send RTX 4090 cards affected by power connector issues directly to headquarters notebookcheck.net | Today The fun part.... Nvidia warn about use of 3rd party adapters 🙂 Edit. A new one today. And as usual... And CableMod reps strike while the iron is hot 🙂 Edit. And here is an new. But from MSI. The nightmare for NVIDIA has just began. When will we see the first house burned down? We've got out first MSI 4090 that melted (Suprim X) 2 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 13900KF 5.7Ghz @1.235V 277 watts peak power. XMP DDR5 7200 WATER CHILLER IS OFF 😁 3 1 3 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Okay, found the main thread over there. 1 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 6 hours ago, tps3443 said: I got a private message from CENS he wants to buy my 13900KF and LN2 it apparently. See if you can get the 4090 FTW3 Prototype. 😎 1 6 Spoiler The Beast Asus Z790 APEX | Intel i9 13900K | ASUS RTX 4090 Strix OC | 64gb DDR5 7466 CL34 Dual Rank A-Dies | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | Innocn 4K 160Hz Mini LED HDR1000 | LG 27GN950-B 4K 160Hz | Corsair 170i Elite LCD 420mm AIO | Corsair 7000D | EVGA 1600w T2 Little Beast EVGA Z690 DARK | Intel i9 13900K | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 SK Hynix DDR5 8000 CL36 A-Dies | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | LG OLED C1 4K 120Hz G-Sync/FreeSync | Alienware AW2721D 1440p 240Hz G-Sync Ultimate | Corsair 115i Elite 280mm AIO | Lian Li 011 Dynamic | EVGA 1000w P6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 I’ve gotten this 13900KF down to 239 watts through R23@5.5Ghz! 🤓 and it’s still scoring 40,800. Definitely good for AIO usage right there, if that’s all ya had! I’m just pulling wasted power out of this thing left and right! And it’s still a blazing fast full force 13900KF! Testing stability for 30 minutes each time. No water chiller. Trying to find its lowest voltage. 3 1 1 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 19 minutes ago, tps3443 said: I’ve gotten this 13900KF down to 239 watts through R23@5.5Ghz! 🤓 and it’s still scoring 40,800. Definitely good for AIO usage right there, if that’s all ya had! I’m just pulling wasted power out of this thing left and right! And it’s still a blazing fast full force 13900KF! Testing stability for 30 minutes each time. No water chiller. Trying to find its lowest voltage. Awesome! What is your current undervolt? "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted October 27, 2022 Author Share Posted October 27, 2022 Moving a little closer to the edge. Will have to try my other M-die kit. This one keeps causing the "Memory Changed" issue at boot up at 7000 (although stable) and it is not stable at 7200. 5 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 43 minutes ago, Etern4l said: Awesome! What is your current undervolt? Ive set 1.170V in the bios with MSI LLC 5, which is a lower Load line setting. It performs like nothing ever happens. Only now power usage is more in line or below that of a AMD 7950X 1 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 31 minutes ago, tps3443 said: Ive set 1.170V in the bios with MSI LLC 5, which is a lower Load line setting. It performs like nothing ever happens. Only now power usage is more in line or below that of a AMD 7950X Thanks for this. Something to try vs the simple offset method. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted October 27, 2022 Author Share Posted October 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, Etern4l said: Thanks for this. Something to try vs the simple offset method. I know it is popular, but I never use adaptive voltage with an offset. Using static/manual voltage always works better for me. I have played around with it some, but it is never stable when I push the overclock harder. 4 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: I know it is popular, but I never use adaptive voltage with an offset. Using static/manual voltage always works better for me. I have played around with it some, but it is never stable when I push the overclock harder. I recall playing around with static voltage initially with a lot of instability as a result for some reason. The contact frame actually improved things quite a bit, so maybe worth giving this another try. The offset mode yields stable results for pure undervolting + minor E-core OC purposes at least. The problem is I need the settings to be super stable, so testing cycles are kind of slow resulting in inertia and reluctance to tweak further 🙂 3 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 32 minutes ago, Etern4l said: I recall playing around with static voltage initially with a lot of instability as a result for some reason. The contact frame actually improved things quite a bit, so maybe worth giving this another try. The offset mode yields stable results for pure undervolting + minor E-core OC purposes at least. The problem is I need the settings to be super stable, so testing cycles are kind of slow resulting in inertia and reluctance to tweak further 🙂 The best way to keep your CPU stable is to give it more voltage or undervolt less. That is assuming you can keep it cool, of course. Stock voltage is usually too much. Using adaptive voltage gives an impression of success, but the fact is that allows the CPU to do what it wants to. If I am too stingy with voltage, static voltage is not stable for me either. You usually can't set static voltage to a value seen using adaptive voltage or it will be unstable. The part that you can't see is what the voltage is doing between sensor polling cycles. Speaking of more voltage... The issue with 7200 stability was the bin quality of the memory was inferior, so my better kit is fine at 7200. I've installed the better M-die kit. 3 1 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: The best way to keep your CPU stable is to give it more voltage or undervolt less. That is assuming you can keep it cool, of course. Stock voltage is usually too much. Using adaptive voltage gives an impression of success, but the fact is that allows the CPU to do what it wants to. If I am too stingy with voltage, static voltage is not stable for me either. You usually can't set static voltage to a value seen using adaptive voltage or it will be unstable. The part that you can't see is what the voltage is doing between sensor polling cycles. Speaking of more voltage... The issue with 7200 stability was the bin quality of the memory was inferior, so my better kit is fine at 7200. I've installed the better M-die kit. Looks really great. Bump those E-Cores just a tap and you’ll be there! How do you like the 13900K? I did not own a 12900K but it does seem like a worthy improvement. After I bought those parts from you, I was tempted a few times to go after 12th Gen. But it was worth the wait for 13th. 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, tps3443 said: Looks really great. Bump those E-Cores just a tap and you’ll be there! How do you like the 13900K? I did not own a 12900K but it does seem like a worthy improvement. After I bought those parts from you, I was tempted a few times to go after 12th Gen. But it was worth the wait for 13th. I might be able to push them some more, but the E-cores are the weakest link on this CPU. Yes, it was a nice upgrade from 12900K/KS. MOAR CORE is seldom something to complain about. 3 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 OC Shootout: ASUS, COLORFUL, FE, MSI, GAINWARD tweaktown.com The ultimate GeForce RTX 4090 overclocking showdown: ASUS vs COLORFUL vs GAINWARD vs MSI vs Founders Edition... which overclocks the best? Best Overclocker You'd probably think it was the ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 OC Edition that is the best overclocker, but you'd be wrong... the ROG Strix RTX 4090 was topping out at just 2940MHz but your results may vary. The best overclocker that I've got here with my pile of custom GeForce RTX 4090 graphics cards is NVIDIA's own GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition which hit 3080MHz (but crashed) but was perfectly stable at 3060MHz. Fun seeing Nvidia eat up their partners🙂 A good beginning before we see next chapter "eat their own" (5x90 FE). Have control on chips and memory chips bin quality/supply chain, pay off. Give it one of the best price tag help as well. Nvidia vs AIB partners = 1-0 3 1 1 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 40 minutes ago, Papusan said: Nvidia vs AIB partners = 1-0 lol man that made me laugh....your awesome dude no kidding why help the helpers when you can kick em 1 2 ZEUS-COMING SOON Omen 16 2021 Zenbook 14 oled Vivobook 15x oled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 With how advanced these new 13900K’s are. Using the newest Intel XTU is really the way to go with overclocking. It’s quite advanced! And user friendly. Plus, you are able to get peak potential from the cpu by leaving nothing on the table. I don’t use their auto tuning or anything. But manually overclocking with XTU is really awesome. It gives such great control over everything including the timings in real time. And I’m not having to jump in and out of the bios lol. 1 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Papusan said: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 OC Shootout: ASUS, COLORFUL, FE, MSI, GAINWARD tweaktown.com The ultimate GeForce RTX 4090 overclocking showdown: ASUS vs COLORFUL vs GAINWARD vs MSI vs Founders Edition... which overclocks the best? Best Overclocker You'd probably think it was the ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 OC Edition that is the best overclocker, but you'd be wrong... the ROG Strix RTX 4090 was topping out at just 2940MHz but your results may vary. The best overclocker that I've got here with my pile of custom GeForce RTX 4090 graphics cards is NVIDIA's own GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition which hit 3080MHz (but crashed) but was perfectly stable at 3060MHz. Fun seeing Nvidia eat up their partners🙂 A good beginning before we see next chapter "eat their own" (5x90 FE). Have control on chips and memory chips bin quality/supply chain, pay off. Give it one of the best price tag help as well. Nvidia vs AIB partners = 1-0 Wait? Why no trash card in the list? Are they being haters?😂 4 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, johnksss said: Wait? Why no trash card in the list? Are they being haters?😂 I messaged them personally to tell them to not include it.... 😉 4 Electrosoft Prime: SP109 14900KS | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x16GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 @Etern4lI meant laptop as per what papusan said. going from 11800h to 12th gen is a pretty big jump...then 13th gen.....I bought this laptop in january of 2022 and its a 11800h and now we have 12th gen and 13th gen coming in. 1 ZEUS-COMING SOON Omen 16 2021 Zenbook 14 oled Vivobook 15x oled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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