*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, so far, so good. I just installed it a few minutes ago. Memory issues ruled out (job #1) from what I can see. Don't know how far the OC will go on core or memory yet. Hoping a Corsair GPU block will be enroute soon. Haven't peeled any of the plastic off yet.

 

The only thing I am puzzled about is the OC vBIOS still allows the fans to turn off at idle. So, I am manually setting them because I do not want the fans to ever turn off for any reason. Things get warm at idle without fans running, and I don't need silence.

 

That is such a nice GPU! These cards are actually obtainable now! It is tempting. I think if I did buy one, I would maybe grab an FE right on Nvidia.com for $1,599. What made you decide to get a Strix 4090 instead of the other models?

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

That is such a nice GPU! These cards are actually obtainable now! It is tempting. I think if I did buy one, I would maybe grab an FE right on Nvidia.com for $1,599. What made you decide to get a Strix 4090 instead of the other models?

Thank you. It is a nice GPU, but I actually think the Suprim is nicer looking. My preference was the Suprim, but Amazon could not exchange the one that failed (no stock). It really sucks because the one that died was a superior silicon sample. Core and memory both overclocked really well. I think better than this Strix, but I haven't spent enough time with the Strix yet to know for certain. Now that I wasted $200 extra on the Strix, the Suprim is available at NewEgg. The best 4090 GPUs are Galax HOF, Suprim, Strix and FE (in that exact order). Everything else has weaker power delivery and compromises. The Zotac AMP AIRO is actually really decent, but anything else is underbuilt and probably isn't suitable for severe overclocking.

 

Here is the info: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1461611-rtx-4090-vrm-meta-analysis-and-feaib-comparison/

 

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thank you. It is a nice GPU, but I actually think the Suprim is nicer looking. My preference was the Suprim, but Amazon could not exchange the one that failed (no stock). It really sucks because the one that died was a superior silicon sample. Core and memory both overclocked really well. I think better than this Strix, but I haven't spent enough time with the Strix yet to know for certain. Now that I wasted $200 extra on the Strix, the Suprim is available at NewEgg. The best 4090 GPUs are Galax HOF, Suprim, Strix and FE (in that exact order). Everything else has weaker power delivery and compromises. The Zotac AMP AIRO is actually really decent, but anything else is underbuilt and probably isn't suitable for severe overclocking.

 

Here is the info: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1461611-rtx-4090-vrm-meta-analysis-and-feaib-comparison/

 

This is a nice GPU. But for $3,500 you would think it would be the OC Lab model with the air cooler and waterblock, and that usb key with rare oc tool. 

 

https://www.newegg.com/galaxy-geforce-rtx-4090-hof-oc-plus-24g/p/1FT-00J5-00010?Description=Galax HOF&cm_re=Galax_HOF-_-9SIA4REJSX7418-_-Product&quicklink=true

[Papusan]

EVGA GTX 760 (EVGA went cheapo, castrated the card and weld on a locked down voltage controller). But the results is still ok 🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5212074_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_62791_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5212097_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_574470_marks

[Mr. Fox]

On 2/13/2023 at 5:01 PM, Mr. Fox said:

It's going to be interesting to find out how high this sucker will clock on a chilled water block. Getting "hot" it's still averaging 3126MHz on core, LOL. I am going to have to try more than +1600 on memory, too. Maybe it will do +1700 or more.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/89118436

 

^^^Better product^^^

19 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, so far, so good. I just installed it a few minutes ago. Memory issues ruled out (job #1) from what I can see. Don't know how far the OC will go on core or memory yet. Hoping a Corsair GPU block will be enroute soon. Haven't peeled any of the plastic off yet.

 

The only thing I am puzzled about is the OC vBIOS still allows the fans to turn off at idle. So, I am manually setting them because I do not want the fans to ever turn off for any reason. Things get warm at idle without fans running, and I don't need silence.

 

I spoke too soon. Crappy silicon for an extra $200. Thanks, ASUS. Should have waited for another Suprim X. I hope it dies under warranty so I can try my luck in the silicon lottery over again. Memory maxes out between +1350 and +1400. Suprim X had no issues with +1600.  I can't match any of my Suprim X 3DMark scores, so it is as worthless to me as tits on a boar.

 

Left a pretty ugly 3-egg review for ASUS. My fault for choosing ASUS... again. 

 

 

[Etern4l]

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

That is such a nice GPU! These cards are actually obtainable now! It is tempting. I think if I did buy one, I would maybe grab an FE right on Nvidia.com for $1,599. What made you decide to get a Strix 4090 instead of the other models?

 

If you are going to put on a water block anyway, then there is no reason to pay for oversized heatsinks, right? I guess BIOS would be another factor, but is there any advantage in using cards from manufacturers other than EVGA (of course now defunct in the video card department)? Will be interesting how this exotic Galax stuff plays out for bro @Papusan.

 

Edit: Missed bro @Mr. Fox's post where he pointed out some AIB cards have better VRMs, which may or may not matter given Ada's energy efficiency.

 

I have to say I am very impressed with the FE so far. This thing is built like a rock. Mounted horizontally, there is virtually no sag, as opposed to a much lighter MSI card I can compare with (the 3090Ti is a little slimmer than the 4090 though - 2.7 slot roughly). Performance has been above baseline too, I hope Micron have treated their Nvidia overlords to good memory chips. Up to +1250 is fairly stable, which would translate to 23GHz, although being generally distrustful of Micron I run it at 22.5GHz.  Temps on air inside a somewhat crowded case are around 60C at 200W with fans on auto (~30%, inaudible).

 

On a minor note, I got rid of all the "bling bling" at the time I installed industrial fans throughout, and now the only sources of light inside the case are the white mobo LCD and the subtle white GEFORCE logo, which gives the otherwise all black system a nice mysterious starry night look though the side panel mesh :) 

[electrosoft]

16 hours ago, tps3443 said:

It would be so cool to see a full power RTX4090 in MXM form factor and the power slider is just turned wayyy down by default so it can stay cool within the limitations of the laptop design. (You could crank it up and burn your house down if you wanted to) 

 

If Nvidia would allow MXM again, at least 200w options would be on the table for MXM or more. They continue to clamp down and become control freaks. The day they lose their silicon advantage is the day they experience a strong case of the "Intel's" as we saw as soon as AMD offered a competitive product their market share was immediately hit and just like that they can no longer hold back their "Ti" level hardware and have to bring everything to the table now.

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

^^^Better product^^^

I spoke too soon. Crappy silicon for an extra $200. Thanks, ASUS. Should have waited for another Suprim X. I hope it dies under warranty so I can try my luck in the silicon lottery over again. Memory maxes out between +1350 and +1400. Suprim X had no issues with +1600.  I can't match any of my Suprim X 3DMark scores, so it is as worthless to me as tits on a boar.

 

Left a pretty ugly 3-egg review for ASUS. My fault for choosing ASUS... again. 

 

 

 

Ugh..... $2000+ card with no return option performing worse than your Suprim...boo. I've been testing my memory and I can hit  ~+1650 for benching and GPU clocks as always are 2800+ right out of the box and 3100+ gaming and benching on stock BIOS with a standard OC.

 

Aesthetically that Strix 4090 is an eye sore but I know plenty love the design. I just really love the looks of this Suprim liquid. I liked the look of last gen Strix cards more than 4000 series hands down.

 

I was hoping it was a monster sample or at least reached the levels of your Suprim 4090. Hows the coil whine on it? I'm always curious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

Anyone tested the 4090 Waterforce WB? It already has a block attached. Seems like a solid option. I know it’s all lottery with these GPU’s. But, block already attached sounds good!

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I was hoping it was a monster sample or at least reached the levels of your Suprim 4090. Hows the coil whine on it? I'm always curious.

None that I can detect.

 

I am praying it dies very soon and has to be replaced, and that the replacement won't be worse. I am going to run the dog crap out of it to see if I can kill it. I've never hoped a piece of hardware I purchased would die under warranty, but ASUS needs to stop selling broken trash. This is NOT an enthusiast product. It's another pile of crap they sell to enthusiasts like everything else they sell to them. They need to get out of the business if this is an example of their top shelf feces. It was super stupid of me to expect anything different from their loser organization.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

If Nvidia would allow MXM again, at least 200w options would be on the table for MXM or more. They continue to clamp down and become control freaks. The day they lose their silicon advantage is the day they experience a strong case of the "Intel's" as we saw as soon as AMD offered a competitive product their market share was immediately hit and just like that they can no longer hold back their "Ti" level hardware and have to bring everything to the table now.

 

 

Ugh..... $2000+ card with no return option performing worse than your Suprim...boo. I've been testing my memory and I can hit  ~+1650 for benching and GPU clocks as always are 2800+ right out of the box and 3100+ gaming and benching on stock BIOS with a standard OC.

 

Aesthetically that Strix 4090 is an eye sore but I know plenty love the design. I just really love the looks of this Suprim liquid. I liked the look of last gen Strix cards more than 4000 series hands down.

 

I was hoping it was a monster sample or at least reached the levels of your Suprim 4090. Hows the coil whine on it? I'm always curious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I considered buying another gaming laptop recently, and now the thought is really really really stuck in my head, my son would use it as well. Something that I can use at a desk for power needs, but also move it around if I need to. All of the laptops option are soldered and BGA now so that’s that. I will say there are some really cool machines out there though, I owned a BGA Aorus laptop once, and I really had a great time with it. It was not some monster machine, but it worked well within its abilities very reliable. I looked at the MSI GT77 with 13980HX this CPU is pretty much a 13900K that is struggling with heat issues, and their 4090 is competitive in definitely substantially faster than a desktop 3090. But, these machines are also crazy expensive. You’d have to drop $4,000+ on some of these. 
 

I also started looking at that cheaper CyberPower laptop with the 13900HX and 4090 for $2,850. But I am wondering if the 13900HX would have crappier silicon than something with a 13950HX or 13980HX? 
 

 

[cylix]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Aesthetically that Strix 4090 is an eye sore but I know plenty love the design. I just really love the looks of this Suprim liquid. I liked the look of last gen Strix cards more than 4000 series hands down.

 

I was hoping it was a monster sample or at least reached the levels of your Suprim 4090. Hows the coil whine on it? I'm always curious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am with you on this one, i also dont like how the 4090 strix looks like, and i dont get it why did they got that awful red blue color scheme, it reminds my of Optimus Prime and i am waiting that it would transform any minute 🤣.

 

@Mr. Fox i am sorry to hear you got a dud of strix, this show again how Asus dont give a damn about customers anymore, no chip selection or binning , only put that name label  on it an sell it for ++profits.

And on another note, sry if im ignorant or sound like but how come you cannot return it? Here in EU we have the right as a customer to return whatever we want for whatever the reason for 14 days after purchase. How can some shops in the US forbid the return and they can get away with it.

[Papusan]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

None that I can detect.

 

I am praying it dies very soon and has to be replaced, and that the replacement won't be worse. I am going to run the dog crap out of it to see if I can kill it. I've never hoped a piece of hardware I purchased would die under warranty, but ASUS needs to stop selling broken trash. This is NOT an enthusiast product. It's another pile of crap they sell to enthusiasts like everything else they sell to them. They need to get out of the business if this is an example of their top shelf feces. It was super stupid of me to expect anything different from their loser organization.

ALL AIC partners just follow their mothership. If nvidia throw out 8GB 4060's to the average gamer kids they do this only to trigger a new upgrade within weeks for the screwed so they can continue sell their overpriced higher end SKU's as 4070Ti and  4080 with broken silicon.

 

This is perverse..... 16:23 - Will 8GB of VRAM on the 4060 be enough?

 

Sad seeing Asus who should know better push out binned silicon that is worse then you can get from cheaper brands and with their cheapest SKUs. Premium is gone. High quality components as amazing power deleivery, top notch PCB and cooling is worthless as it is now. 

Fancy features like most possible bling bling and pretty design is all it's about now. And offer the best cooling  in it's class only to reduce noice... Not to deliever best cooling for best performance. Nowadays modern tech sucks.
 

[Etern4l]

11 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Their 4090 is competitive in definitely substantially faster than a desktop 3090.

 

How is their 4090 different? The issue is the power limit. Maybe that's faster than stock 3090s but not your OCed and chilled one.

[Tenoroon]

19 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

It might boot. When it black screened I didn't realize the motherboard failed too but when ZtecPC got my X170SM-G swapping in a brand new RTX 2080 Super didn't make a difference and it still wouldn't boot / blank screen.

 

I am not even sure if they re-tested the original RTX 2080 Super with the new motherboard so I would be curious to see what happens.

 

 

I see now, I wonder if something goofed up with your power supply and it hit both the GPU and the motherboard, but it doesn't really explain well how at first everything seemed fine when you put your 1060 in. There's a good chance it's just a really bad coincidence with terrible timing and that the GPU died and the the motherboard shortly after from a completely different case.

If I had two of those 8 pin Clevo power adapters, I could see if windows detects the 2080 in the other MXM slot, but I sadly don't have one. I'll just have to hope it can at least display a picture, even if it looks like its about to explode lol.

 

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

^^^Better product^^^

I spoke too soon. Crappy silicon for an extra $200. Thanks, ASUS. Should have waited for another Suprim X. I hope it dies under warranty so I can try my luck in the silicon lottery over again. Memory maxes out between +1350 and +1400. Suprim X had no issues with +1600.  I can't match any of my Suprim X 3DMark scores, so it is as worthless to me as tits on a boar.

 

Left a pretty ugly 3-egg review for ASUS. My fault for choosing ASUS... again. 

 

 

That blows, I haven't been too happy with ASUS lately either. My G14 is a pain in the butt to work on, and recently, my father's GL553's SATA connector just upped and died so he can only use the M.2 SATA slot from now on. 

While I don't like the idea of killing GPUs, I understand your frustration very much. I wish you the best in finding that it "suddenly stopped working" one day 😉

 

28 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

I considered buying another gaming laptop recently, and now the thought is really really really stuck in my head, my son would use it as well. Something that I can use at a desk for power needs, but also move it around if I need to. All of the laptops option are soldered and BGA now so that’s that. I will say there are some really cool machines out there though, I owned a BGA Aorus laptop once, and I really had a great time with it. It was not some monster machine, but it worked well within its abilities very reliable. I looked at the MSI GT77 with 13980HX this CPU is pretty much a 13900K that is struggling with heat issues, and their 4090 is competitive in definitely substantially faster than a desktop 3090. But, these machines are also crazy expensive. You’d have to drop $4,000+ on some of these. 
 

I also started looking at that cheaper CyberPower laptop with the 13900HX and 4090 for $2,850. But I am wondering if the 13900HX would have crappier silicon than something with a 13950HX or 13980HX? 
 

 

The Eluktronics Mech 17-GP doesn't look too bad right now. It's on a sale right now that comes with the Prema BIOS and LM on both the CPU and GPU for no added cost. It also has the ability for liquid cooling, which will probably help that thing outpace some other high end laptops. The motherboard also supports a RAM OC of 6400mhz, which I don't see any other laptop that has the ability to push the RAM that hard.

 

[Etern4l]

2 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

I see now, I wonder if something goofed up with your power supply and it hit both the GPU and the motherboard, but it doesn't really explain well how at first everything seemed fine when you put your 1060 in. There's a good chance it's just a really bad coincidence with terrible timing and that the GPU died and the the motherboard shortly after from a completely different case.

If I had two of those 8 pin Clevo power adapters, I could see if windows detects the 2080 in the other MXM slot, but I sadly don't have one. I'll just have to hope it can at least display a picture, even if it looks like its about to explode lol.

 

 

That blows, I haven't been too happy with ASUS lately either. My G14 is a pain in the butt to work on, and recently, my father's GL553's SATA connector just upped and died so he can only use the M.2 SATA slot from now on. 

While I don't like the idea of killing GPUs, I understand your frustration very much. I wish you the best in finding that it "suddenly stopped working" one day 😉

 

The Eluktronics Mech 17-GP doesn't look too bad right now. It's on a sale right now that comes with the Prema BIOS and LM on both the CPU and GPU for no added cost. It also has the ability for liquid cooling, which will probably help that thing outpace some other high end laptops. The motherboard also supports a RAM OC of 6400mhz, which I don't see any other laptop that has the ability to push the RAM that hard.

 

 

Does the Prema BIOS allow the laptop to push beyond the 175W GPU power limit? 

[Tenoroon]

1 minute ago, Etern4l said:

 

Does the Prema BIOS allow the laptop to push beyond the 175W GPU power limit? 

I don't know, but here is a good place to ask:
 

 

[Mr. Fox]

45 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

That blows, I haven't been too happy with ASUS lately either. My G14 is a pain in the butt to work on, and recently, my father's GL553's SATA connector just upped and died so he can only use the M.2 SATA slot from now on. 

While I don't like the idea of killing GPUs, I understand your frustration very much. I wish you the best in finding that it "suddenly stopped working" one day 😉

I have been in contact with NewEgg. They offered to exchange it, or request an exception for a refund from the warehouse. I will find out on Monday if they will make the exception and offer a refund. I hope they will allow a refund, but if not I will exchange it and pray that the replacement is as good or better than the Suprim X. Either way, I think I am done for good with ASUS. I have said this before and I need to stop making exceptions and giving them second chances. The only products they make that I haven't had issues with are the budget and mid-range motherboards. All of their top shelf products have turned out to be garbage in my experience.

 

I believe one of the memory chips is defective, but I cannot test GDDR6X with MATS to confirm that. I can pass Unigine Superposition at +1350 on memory. If I set it to +1375 it black screens and will not run +1350 again unless I disable ECC.

  

1 hour ago, cylix said:

@Mr. Fox i am sorry to hear you got a dud of strix, this show again how Asus dont give a damn about customers anymore, no chip selection or binning , only put that name label  on it an sell it for ++profits.

And on another note, sry if im ignorant or sound like but how come you cannot return it? Here in EU we have the right as a customer to return whatever we want for whatever the reason for 14 days after purchase. How can some shops in the US forbid the return and they can get away with it.

EU and other countries have stricter rules for some things like this. I can exchange it within 30 days, but I am not guaranteed a refund, thus I asked for an exception. At this point I think I would be better off with a refund, because the replacement might not be any better and my preference would be to not have another ASUS video card. If I can get a refund, I am not sure if I will replace it or just keep using my old GPUs. I'm not enjoying any of this right now. If I do get a refund and replace it, I will try to get another Suprim X (non-liquid, as I did not like the AIO and would plan on blocking it anyway).

[Etern4l]

41 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

I don't know, but here is a good place to ask:
 

 

 

Thanks, Prema BIOS seems to add CPU/memory tuning, which makes sense. 

 

21.5k in TS graphics in "Beast mode"... Even if you could increase the GPU power, the slow VRAM would probably bottleneck it anyway. I mean, it's a > 50% cut in bandwidth vs the desktop part. At least the laptop is priced OK, well built, comes with proper BIOS and is configurable. If I was forced to update my laptop now, this would be on my shortlist if available here. 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

How is their 4090 different? The issue is the power limit. Maybe that's faster than stock 3090s but not your OCed and chilled one.

If I buy a gaming laptop, it is not replacing my desktop.
 

Raw graphical power wise the mobile 4090 is about 15% faster than a desktop 3090. And the mobile 4090 is only 10% slower than my overclocked desktop 3090. But, if you account for DLSS 3.0, or even heavily ray traces titles, I cannot keep up with a mobile 4090 at all. Even gimped on power, and throttling to the max it’s going to run circles around my desktop 3090KP HC. Plus, the mobile 4090 can be tuned to extract a little more performance as well.
 

If I bought another gaming laptop, this is just to provide flexibility to my life. Not win races, not run super cool, or compete with a desktop 4090 by any means. It would merely be a gaming laptop that is “Fast enough” and competitive with my gaming desktop. 
 

The nice thing is, a BGA horse poop patty laptop is easily capable of true 4K60+ in gaming. (That is pretty amazing) this is a first in history. I know the 4090 laptop GPU is pretty much a disgrace. And it is not in anyway shape or form comparable to a real desktop 4090. However, since the desktop 4090 is such an overkill monster, just a fraction of its power in a laptop is good enough!

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

If I buy a gaming laptop, it is not replacing my desktop.
 

Raw graphical power wise the mobile 4090 is about 15% faster than a desktop 3090. And the mobile 4090 is only 10% slower than my overclocked desktop 3090. But, if you account for DLSS 3.0, or even heavily ray traces titles, I cannot keep up with a mobile 4090 at all. Even gimped on power, and throttling to the max it’s going to run circles around my desktop 3090KP HC. Plus, the mobile 4090 can be tuned to extract a little more performance as well.
 

If I bought another gaming laptop, this is just to provide flexibility to my life. Not win races, not run super cool, or compete with a desktop 4090 by any means. It would merely be a gaming laptop that is “Fast enough” and competitive with my gaming desktop. 
 

The nice thing is, a BGA horse poop patty laptop is easily capable of true 4K60+ in gaming. (That is pretty amazing) this is a first in history. I know the 4090 laptop GPU is pretty much a disgrace. And it is not in anyway shape or form comparable to a real desktop 4090. However, since the desktop 4090 is such an overkill monster, just a fraction of its power in a laptop is good enough!

 

I wasn't questioning your rationale, laptops have their uses. I was just curious how MSI GT77's ("their 4090") is different. I thought you meant it has some unique features setting it apart from other 4090 laptops. That said, if people spend money on these mobile GPUs, they are voting with their wallets for more marketing shenanigans and castration, but if you need one then what can you do. My guess is NVidia will at some point release less castrated versions of those Ada mobile GPUs as "Ti". They won't be as fast the desktop counterparts of course, but they could conceivably bump the power limits and VRAM bandwidth to where they should have been from the start.

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I looked at the MSI GT77 with 13980HX this CPU is pretty much a 13900K that is struggling with heat issues, and their 4090 is competitive in definitely substantially faster than a desktop 3090.

 

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, cylix said:

@Mr. Fox i am sorry to hear you got a dud of strix, this show again how Asus dont give a damn about customers anymore, no chip selection or binning , only put that name label  on it an sell it for ++profits.

See my comment below.

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is NOT an enthusiast product. It's another pile of crap they sell to enthusiasts like everything else they sell to them.

This doesn't cover everything bro Fox. This... Apply them all. None of the AIC partners put much work into binning or be sure they use the best parts for their flagship/enthusiast products. If they did.... You would never see this below from their enthusiast product. And they all do the same thing... Put all works into the estetic and design. Make a very good cooler can hide away the worst silicon quality. People buy with their eyes and are often brand loyal. Hence the AIC partners come away with it. Just make it barely good enough vs competitors products. 

 

Testing notes & interpretation for Gaming X Trio

 

The cheaper Gaming X Trio 4090 cards use 18+4-phase design. The new modern with more expensive High end Phase/VRM design for the enhusiasts products have no longer a special value outside offering good longevity. This only add more costs who normally isn't needed with the power gimped and castrated voltage/TGP design from Nvidia or AMD. I'm sure 18+4-phase design would work well with the higher TGP limits as the flagship models if the cooling is adequate.

 

13 hours ago, Etern4l said:

On a minor note, I got rid of all the "bling bling" at the time I installed industrial fans throughout, and now the only sources of light inside the case are the white mobo LCD and the subtle white GEFORCE logo, which gives the otherwise all black system a nice mysterious starry night look though the side panel mesh 🙂 

You go the opposite route of the gamer-kids bro Etern. Maybe you are starting to get old and dusty?😎

 

 

 

 

[Etern4l]

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

You go the opposite route of the gamer-kids bro Etern. Maybe you are starting to get old and dusty?😎

 

 

 

 

 

Haha, if I was building a fun gaming system (or if if it was cooled using a custom loop with a chiller or a gigantic external radiator so fan performance doesn't matter), I would probably do the same thing. I initially enjoyed a bit of RGB bling, but then it kind of got boring.

 

I'm now partial to the subdued starry night system look. This is part of the appeal of owning a desktop - you can mix things up and "redecorate", without dropping another $$$ on a whole system.

 

If starry night gets old, there are always ARGB LED strips lol

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

If I buy a gaming laptop, it is not replacing my desktop.
 

Raw graphical power wise the mobile 4090 is about 15% faster than a desktop 3090. And the mobile 4090 is only 10% slower than my overclocked desktop 3090. But, if you account for DLSS 3.0, or even heavily ray traces titles, I cannot keep up with a mobile 4090 at all. Even gimped on power, and throttling to the max it’s going to run circles around my desktop 3090KP HC. Plus, the mobile 4090 can be tuned to extract a little more performance as well.
 

If I bought another gaming laptop, this is just to provide flexibility to my life. Not win races, not run super cool, or compete with a desktop 4090 by any means. It would merely be a gaming laptop that is “Fast enough” and competitive with my gaming desktop. 
 

The nice thing is, a BGA horse poop patty laptop is easily capable of true 4K60+ in gaming. (That is pretty amazing) this is a first in history. I know the 4090 laptop GPU is pretty much a disgrace. And it is not in anyway shape or form comparable to a real desktop 4090. However, since the desktop 4090 is such an overkill monster, just a fraction of its power in a laptop is good enough!

I think such a product would be hailed as exciting if its planted into a laptop that could truly push it. What i mean is we more or less have an understanding of how it performs in the desktop arena, so the challenge would be how close could you get it to desktop levels.

 

The issue then comes from its BGA only nature of the industry at the moment, and what to do when the laptop fails during an overclocking session. It feels like an inverted product. Its the high end SKU but also set up on a platform where you dont want to push anything at all.

[ryan]

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Its faster than a 3090ti and has frame generation pushing another 40 percent beyond...good enough for 99.99 percent of people. as for 4090 desktop its a laptop..why would a laptop have the same power as a desktop the only way this would make sense is if they were gimping the desktop part

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

This doesn't cover everything bro Fox. This... Apply them all. None of the AIC partners put much work into binning or be sure they use the best parts for their flagship/enthusiast products. If they did.... You would never see this below from their enthusiast product. And they all do the same thing... Put all works into the estetic and design. Make a very good cooler can hide away the worst silicon quality. 

 

Hopefully they will give me a refund and I can either buy nothing or just get the cheapest 4090 available. Based on most of the information available, the standard $1500-1600 4090 Zotac, MSI Trio and PNY options are so close in performance to the most expensive options available, and maximum overclock limits are within such a small margin that it makes no sense to spend more for something better that isn't actually better. I doubt the chilled water cooling would change anything for the better on the memory. The Strix actually runs cooler on the memory than the Liquid X did. (The Liquid X AIO cooling is only useful on the core. The memory and hotspot temps were higher due to the flawed AIO design. This is also true of memory temperatures on other GPUs that use an AIO due to flawed AIO design in general, not an MSI flaw.)

 

The only likely benefit of the chilled water would be higher boost clock due to lower core temperature.

 

Edit: Looks like poor memory overclocking is an inherent shortcoming for the Strix 4090. I don't know if it is a coincidence or a design flaw on the part of ASUS. 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-strix-oc/41.html

 

Edited February 26, 2023 by Mr. Fox
added link relating to Strix