tps3443 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Hey everyone, does HID Evolution still offer discounts to members on here? I’m looking at a custom MSI GT77 with the 13980HX, and RTX4090. Mini LED display 17.3” display. They offer an option with 128GB DDR5 5600Mhz 😁 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, tps3443 said: Hey everyone, does HID Evolution still offer discounts to members on here? I’m looking at a custom MSI GT77 with the 13980HX, and RTX4090. Mini LED display 17.3” display. They offer an option with 128GB DDR5 5600Mhz 😁 Too bad Spartan parted ways with us. BTW No way it will run at 5600MHz stable, I think, unless perhaps they configured it with some atrocious > 40CL latencies. 1 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiderman Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, tps3443 said: Hey everyone, does HID Evolution still offer discounts to members on here? I’m looking at a custom MSI GT77 with the 13980HX, and RTX4090. Mini LED display 17.3” display. They offer an option with 128GB DDR5 5600Mhz 😁 What in the world would you need a laptop with a 128gb of ram for? Lian Li Lancool III | Ryzen 9 9950X | 48gb G-skill Trident Z5 DDR5 8000mhz | MSI Mpg X670E Carbon | AsRock Taichi Radeon 7900xtx Bykski Block |Raijintek Scylla Pro 360 custom loop| Crucial T700 1tb WD Black's SN770 500gb/1tb NVME | Toshiba 8Tb 7200rpm Data | EVGA 1000w SuperNova |32" Agon 1440p 165hz Curved Screen | Windows 10 LoT 21h2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 16 minutes ago, Etern4l said: Too bad Spartan parted ways with us. BTW No way it will run at 5600MHz stable, I think. Man, that’s terrible. I’d love to find a discount through them somehow or someone. As for the 5600, I have no idea if it can be achieved probably not lol. The 13980HX is supposed to be top tier silicon option though, maybe a good IMC too. It would be a blast to push the memory a little, the options are in the bios to do so. (To an extent) I know that someone ran 2x32GB@5600 on one of these models. But this is really new territory for me all over again. I’m just after a work horse that’ll run for the next 3+ years with really good performance. 14 minutes ago, Raiderman said: What in the world would you need a laptop with a 128gb of ram for? This machine is a 64GB or 128GB option from most retailers. So the 128GB of ram is not that much more, about $200 extra dollars. Also, if you disable your windows page file and go run a demanding game. You’ll find after a few hours of gaming, more than half of that 128GB will be consumed. Our page file makes 32GB of ram seem acceptable, even though it’s really not. But yes I think, 128GB of ram is really a lot! 😁 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 26 minutes ago, tps3443 said: Man, that’s terrible. I’d love to find a discount through them somehow or someone. As for the 5600, I have no idea if it can be achieved. The 13980HX is supposed to be top tier silicon. It would be a blast to push the memory a little, the options are in the bios to do so. (To an extent) This machine is a 64GB or 128GB option from most retailers. So the 128GB of ram is not that much more, about $200 extra dollars. Also, disable your page file and go run a demanding game. You’ll find after a few hours of gaming, more than half of that 128GB will be consumed. Our page file makes 32GB of ram seem acceptable, even though it’s really not. It's this one, right? https://www.hidevolution.com/msi-titan-gt77hx-13vi-042us-17-3-uhd-144hz-i9-13980hx-rtx-4090.html Check out the disclaimer: "speeds subject to system capability" Unless you really need 128GB, get the 2x32GB config. 4 DIMM DDR5 dual channel support is a mess. I have a 5600 MHz Kingston kit, and after months of tuning and BIOS updates I managed to run at... wait for it: Spoiler 5000 CL38 stable (I can go a bit higher to 5200 for "benching" purposes, but errors eventually show up). 5600 never booted. MSI compatibility list said it's not even supposed to run in 4 DIMM config, and the most they officially support with any 4x32GB RAM kit is 4400 I think. Asus and Asrock were even worse. I would be astonished if things looked any better on a laptop. If you get the 4-stick kit, but you don't need that much RAM, you will just end up taking 2 sticks out and selling them, in order to run the RAM at full speed. Also the RAM is strangely cheap. $400 for 128GB? I would inquire what exact modules are supplied... Might turn out you are better off getting the cheapest config + some better aftermarket RAM. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 30 minutes ago, Etern4l said: It's this one, right? https://www.hidevolution.com/msi-titan-gt77hx-13vi-042us-17-3-uhd-144hz-i9-13980hx-rtx-4090.html Check out the disclaimer: "speeds subject to system capability" Unless you really need 128GB, get the 2x32GB config. 4 DIMM DDR5 dual channel support is a mess. I have a 5600 MHz Kingston kit, and after months of tuning and BIOS updates I managed to run at... wait for it: Reveal hidden contents 5000 CL38 stable (I can go a bit higher to 5200 for "benching" purposes, but errors eventually show up). 5600 never booted. MSI compatibility list said it's not even supposed to run in 4 DIMM config, and the most they officially support with any 4x32GB RAM kit is 4400 I think. Asus and Asrock were even worse. I would be astonished if things looked any better on a laptop. If you get the 4-stick kit, but you don't need that much RAM, you will just end up taking 2 sticks out and selling them, in order to run the RAM at full speed. Also the RAM is strangely cheap. $400 for 128GB? I would inquire what exact modules are supplied... Might turn out you are better off getting the cheapest config + some better aftermarket RAM. What kind of laptop and cpu do you have? 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, tps3443 said: What kind of laptop and cpu do you have? That was based on my desktop experience. I find it hard to believe things are looking better on the mobile side, but for $400 you might just give it a go and find out. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Etern4l said: That was based on my desktop experience. I find it hard to believe things are looking better on the mobile side, but for $400 you might just give it a go. What cpu and motherboard? 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, tps3443 said: What cpu and motherboard? 13900K + MEG ACE Z690 I mean it's a known issue, google/YT/RAM compatibility pages for various mobos will quickly corroborate.... unless something improved in the Z790. I think I did check that before but let me double-check. Edit: Yeah, looks like things have improved a bit on the Z790 - they now support up to 5200 on 4 DIMM configs, which I guess means it could go even faster. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, Etern4l said: 13900K + MEG ACE I mean it's a well-known issue, google/YT will quickly corroborate. You should easily be able to run 5600 with 64GB of ram on a desktop. That seems crazy right? Man I can push 32GB to 8,000 C36 on a MSI Z690 motherboard 😂. All with 1.194V SA, 1.4V CPU IMC, and 1.4V TX. Honestly, I really have no need for 64GB or 128GB ram. I’m all for saving money. I just found a similarly equipped machine at Microcenter for $4,699.99. I would swap the ram for 2x16GB 5600 SODIMMS, and just force the 5600 speeds like others are doing. Or better yet, LEAVE IT BE. And just manually set the fastest speeds it can run. https://www.microcenter.com/product/662550/msi-titan-gt77hx-13vi-028us-173-gaming-laptop-computer-black ^ This is not a bad price at all. I know it’s still a crazy expensive laptop, but it is a fast machine for sure. 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 18 minutes ago, tps3443 said: You should easily be able to run 5600 with 64GB of ram on a desktop. That seems crazy right? Man I can push 32GB to 8,000 C36 on a MSI Z690 motherboard 😂. All with 1.194V SA, 1.4V CPU IMC, and 1.4V TX. Honestly, I really have no need for 64GB or 128GB ram. I’m all for saving money. I just found a similarly equipped machine at Microcenter for $4,699.99. I would swap the ram for 2x16GB 5600 SODIMMS, and just force the 5600 speeds like others are doing. https://www.microcenter.com/product/662550/msi-titan-gt77hx-13vi-028us-173-gaming-laptop-computer-black 64GB is fine, runs at full speed. It's just those 4 DIMM configs that are problematic. Little reason to believe things look better on a laptop. Would just get the fastest possible 2x16GB config in your shoes (or 2x32GB) to avoid frustration. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 26, 2023 Author Share Posted February 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, tps3443 said: You should easily be able to run 5600 with 64GB of ram on a desktop. That seems crazy right? Four sticks of DDR4 overclocked poorly compared with two sticks and that problem is even worse with DDR5. Best configuration for memory overclocking is two modules and a two-slot motherboard. 3 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiderman Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: Four sticks of DDR4 overclocked poorly compared with two sticks and that problem is even worse with DDR5. Best configuration for memory overclocking is two modules and a two-slot motherboard. EVGA is the only company that made 2 slot MB's, right? I cant remember ever seeing anything else. Back in the day, I had a socket and slot 1 Mobo for the CPU...lol 1 Lian Li Lancool III | Ryzen 9 9950X | 48gb G-skill Trident Z5 DDR5 8000mhz | MSI Mpg X670E Carbon | AsRock Taichi Radeon 7900xtx Bykski Block |Raijintek Scylla Pro 360 custom loop| Crucial T700 1tb WD Black's SN770 500gb/1tb NVME | Toshiba 8Tb 7200rpm Data | EVGA 1000w SuperNova |32" Agon 1440p 165hz Curved Screen | Windows 10 LoT 21h2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 48 minutes ago, tps3443 said: Hey everyone, does HID Evolution still offer discounts to members on here? I’m looking at a custom MSI GT77 with the 13980HX, and RTX4090. Mini LED display 17.3” display. They offer an option with 128GB DDR5 5600Mhz 😁 1 hour ago, tps3443 said: You should easily be able to run 5600 with 64GB of ram on a desktop. That seems crazy right? Man I can push 32GB to 8,000 C36 on a MSI Z690 motherboard 😂. All with 1.194V SA, 1.4V CPU IMC, and 1.4V TX. Honestly, I really have no need for 64GB or 128GB ram. I’m all for saving money. I just found a similarly equipped machine at Microcenter for $4,699.99. I would swap the ram for 2x16GB 5600 SODIMMS, and just force the 5600 speeds like others are doing. Or better yet, LEAVE IT BE. And just manually set the fastest speeds it can run. https://www.microcenter.com/product/662550/msi-titan-gt77hx-13vi-028us-173-gaming-laptop-computer-black ^ This is not a bad price at all. I know it’s still a crazy expensive laptop, but it is a fast machine for sure. If you're wanting to play around with 4000 series and HX processors, MSI Titans are stupidly expensive but as close to true DTR as you will get for BGA laptops. For myself, I would go for this: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-18-intel-core-i9-13980hx-16gb-ddr5-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-v12g-graphics-1tb-ssd-eclipse-gray/6531333.p?skuId=6531333 I have one of these arriving Tuesday. Step down in GPU, same CPU less than half the price and hand pick your memory. I will say I do like that MSI uses a direct variant of their desktop BIOS on their laptops though. 45 minutes ago, Raiderman said: EVGA is the only company that made 2 slot MB's, right? I cant remember ever seeing anything else. Back in the day, I had a socket and slot 1 Mobo for the CPU...lol Asus, Gigabyte and MSI also make 2 slot MBs now for the Z690 and Z790 chipsets. 5 1 Electrosoft Prime: SP109 14900KS | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x16GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiderman Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 34 minutes ago, electrosoft said: If you're wanting to play around with 4000 series and HX processors, MSI Titans are stupidly expensive but as close to true DTR as you will get for BGA laptops. For myself, I would go for this: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-18-intel-core-i9-13980hx-16gb-ddr5-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-v12g-graphics-1tb-ssd-eclipse-gray/6531333.p?skuId=6531333 I have one of these arriving Tuesday. Step down in GPU, same CPU less than half the price and hand pick your memory. I will say I do like that MSI uses a direct variant of their desktop BIOS on their laptops though. Asus, Gigabyte and MSI also make 2 slot MBs now for the Z690 and Z790 chipsets. Thais why I haven't seen any, they are Intel boards. I know EVGA makes a two slot X570 chipset board. Haven't checked in a while, but last I looked, still no X670's. 1 Lian Li Lancool III | Ryzen 9 9950X | 48gb G-skill Trident Z5 DDR5 8000mhz | MSI Mpg X670E Carbon | AsRock Taichi Radeon 7900xtx Bykski Block |Raijintek Scylla Pro 360 custom loop| Crucial T700 1tb WD Black's SN770 500gb/1tb NVME | Toshiba 8Tb 7200rpm Data | EVGA 1000w SuperNova |32" Agon 1440p 165hz Curved Screen | Windows 10 LoT 21h2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenoroon Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Put the 2080 Super in my P870 and no POST at all. The laptop would try to turn on but failed every time. There's no power going to the card as the core and VRAM don't get warm. I oughtta probe this thing a bit more and see if I can find something weird. Here's two videos: (I've never uploaded to Youtube and don't know why the top video came out as a short and I'm too lazy to fix it.) 1 1 Clevo P870TM-G: Core i7 8700k @ 4.8ghz | Clevo RTX 2070 Super | 32gb HyperX DDR4 @ 3200mhz | 17" 1440p 120hz B173QTN01.0 Screen | 256gb Samsung 850 EVO | 500gb WD Blue SSD | Prema BIOS Alienware 17 R1: Core i7 4710mq @ 3.619ghz 741 CBR15 (834 CBR15 @ 4.213ghz) | Dell GTX 860m | 16gb HyperX DDR3L @ 2133mhz | 17" 3D 120hz LTN173HT02-T01 Screen | 256gb mSATA SSD Asus Zephyrus G14: Ryzen 7 4800hs @ 4.2ghz | GTX 1650 | 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz | 14" 120hz LM140LF1F01 Screen | 512gb NVME SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 3 hours ago, electrosoft said: If you're wanting to play around with 4000 series and HX processors, MSI Titans are stupidly expensive but as close to true DTR as you will get for BGA laptops. For myself, I would go for this: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-18-intel-core-i9-13980hx-16gb-ddr5-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-v12g-graphics-1tb-ssd-eclipse-gray/6531333.p?skuId=6531333 I have one of these arriving Tuesday. Step down in GPU, same CPU less than half the price and hand pick your memory. I will say I do like that MSI uses a direct variant of their desktop BIOS on their laptops though. Asus, Gigabyte and MSI also make 2 slot MBs now for the Z690 and Z790 chipsets. I have been considering the Asus Scar laptop heavily actually!! It’s a great price too! However, I am really wanting a Mini LED display, I hate backlight bleed from an IPS display, something that is non existent on a Mini LED, it gives that MacBook looking display feel, and makes the machines feel high quality, which is nice after spending thousands of dollars. After owning (2) very high end gaming laptops the thing I hated the most of IPS bleed and glowing corners (My MacBook Air M1 doesn’t have this, it feels quality) lol. The 16” Scar has this Mini LED option, and the 17.3” MSI GT77 Titan too. But $4,799 for a laptop is an OBSURD amount of money for a BGA Book with a massive ACE hanging off the back of it. I mean that GT77 Titan girl has some serious back on her LOL. Kinda like that song “Body like a backroad” well in this case, the MSI Titan has a “Body like a Backhoe” The MSI really has me torn. I feel like it’s the best option. But that price! I’d be buying it from Micro center, so if I didn’t absolutely love it I could return it. @johnksss does Microcenter offer that warranty on laptops too? So I could technically use it for 1 year, return it and get a gift card for $4,799 towards next gen model? 🙃 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share Posted February 27, 2023 19 hours ago, Tenoroon said: Put the 2080 Super in my P870 and no POST at all. The laptop would try to turn on but failed every time. There's no power going to the card as the core and VRAM don't get warm. I oughtta probe this thing a bit more and see if I can find something weird. Here's two videos: (I've never uploaded to Youtube and don't know why the top video came out as a short and I'm too lazy to fix it.) I could not tell from the video because I could not see the entire GPU. You do have the auxiliary power cord connected at the top edge of the GPU, correct? It cannot function without it. 21 hours ago, Raiderman said: Thais why I haven't seen any, they are Intel boards. I know EVGA makes a two slot X570 chipset board. Haven't checked in a while, but last I looked, still no X670's. It is not clear if they will release an X670. They are usually late to the party, so they might. I've not heard or read anything suggesting they will. But, I do not think the X570 Dark was as successful as they had hoped, and if memory serves me correctly it was their first ever AMD board. By the time they made it to market most of the people that were going to go with an X570 platform had already bought something else. Rumor also has it that they had some trouble getting AMD to approve of the BIOS being done in the typical EVGA extreme performance focused kind of way, and we see how that turned out with NVIDIA's control freak approach to things. (EVGA ended the relationship rather than submitting to NVIDIA's demands.) The ASUS Crosshair X570 firmware was a totally botched up mess because of AMD insisting that ASUS inject their dumbed-down firmware options. ASUS mingled that "approved" mess with the way the firmware should have been, and that made for a very clumsy UEFI environment, with conflicting and incompatible options. 2 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenoroon Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: I could not tell from the video because I could not see the entire GPU. You do have the auxiliary power cord connected at the top edge of the GPU, correct? It cannot function without it. Yeah, it was connected. I finally found some MXM pinout schematics and a 2 hour long tutorial of how to diagnose a GPU that isn't detected whatsoever. I've got a decent magnifying tool and plan on checking everything after school tomorrow. While I don't have the resources or tools to fix it, I'll feel at peace if I can figure out why it's not letting the computer POST. From the little testing I've done, Clevo's MXM pinout is identical (or at least very similar) to the MXM 3.0 Standard pinout. I really hope Clevo's isn't much different as I remember to use the 10x+ series cards in other laptops, you had to do some funky stuff with the pins. I'll dig on the old archive and look at your tutorial to see what pins Khenglish modified and see what those exact pins are linked up to on the MXM standard. Lot's of problem solving; it's annoying, but it's fun. 3 Clevo P870TM-G: Core i7 8700k @ 4.8ghz | Clevo RTX 2070 Super | 32gb HyperX DDR4 @ 3200mhz | 17" 1440p 120hz B173QTN01.0 Screen | 256gb Samsung 850 EVO | 500gb WD Blue SSD | Prema BIOS Alienware 17 R1: Core i7 4710mq @ 3.619ghz 741 CBR15 (834 CBR15 @ 4.213ghz) | Dell GTX 860m | 16gb HyperX DDR3L @ 2133mhz | 17" 3D 120hz LTN173HT02-T01 Screen | 256gb mSATA SSD Asus Zephyrus G14: Ryzen 7 4800hs @ 4.2ghz | GTX 1650 | 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz | 14" 120hz LM140LF1F01 Screen | 512gb NVME SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 https://hwbot.org/submission/5213910_papusan_3dmark2001_se_radeon_hd_7970_156807_marks Imagine if we could get dual GPU's. $5000+ ? 😎 AMD's Dual-GPU, Apple-Only Graphics Card Bests RTX 4080 in Head-to-Head PC MatchupOverclocker gets Radeon Pro W6800X Duo running on a PC 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Tenoroon said: Yeah, it was connected. I finally found some MXM pinout schematics and a 2 hour long tutorial of how to diagnose a GPU that isn't detected whatsoever. I've got a decent magnifying tool and plan on checking everything after school tomorrow. While I don't have the resources or tools to fix it, I'll feel at peace if I can figure out why it's not letting the computer POST. From the little testing I've done, Clevo's MXM pinout is identical (or at least very similar) to the MXM 3.0 Standard pinout. I really hope Clevo's isn't much different as I remember to use the 10x+ series cards in other laptops, you had to do some funky stuff with the pins. I'll dig on the old archive and look at your tutorial to see what pins Khenglish modified and see what those exact pins are linked up to on the MXM standard. Lot's of problem solving; it's annoying, but it's fun. The pinout is the same, but they use some typically unused pins for adding power rails that the MXM standard does not use. 2 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Tenoroon said: Put the 2080 Super in my P870 and no POST at all. The laptop would try to turn on but failed every time. There's no power going to the card as the core and VRAM don't get warm. I oughtta probe this thing a bit more and see if I can find something weird. Here's two videos: (I've never uploaded to Youtube and don't know why the top video came out as a short and I'm too lazy to fix it.) That is how it progressed on my X170SM-G. It went from: Working (( was in the middle of setting it up for travel not even gaming or anything) Hard blink red dots Code 43 No Post No Post with a series of blinking yellow lights on the power on LED indicating GPU failure Popped in a Clevo 1060 I had and it booted up no problem Put 2080 S back in and step 4 again When ZtecPC got it after sourcing a brand new 2080 Super it wouldn't post at all even with the new 2080 Super no matter what they did so they swapped in a brand new motherboard and heatsink and it worked perfect after that. The blessing was I was able to get rid of all that K5 Pro mess and the heatsink with the LM soak damage from the original purchase config and go back to a solid 2080 Super + Motherboard and stock thermal pads right from the factory brand new. 53 minutes ago, tps3443 said: I have been considering the Asus Scar laptop heavily actually!! It’s a great price too! However, I am really wanting a Mini LED display, I hate backlight bleed from an IPS display, something that is non existent on a Mini LED, it gives that MacBook looking display feel, and makes the machines feel high quality, which is nice after spending thousands of dollars. After owning (2) very high end gaming laptops the thing I hated the most of IPS bleed and glowing corners (My MacBook Air M1 doesn’t have this, it feels quality) lol. The 16” Scar has this Mini LED option, and the 17.3” MSI GT77 Titan too. But $4,799 for a laptop is an OBSURD amount of money for a BGA Book with a massive ACE hanging off the back of it. I mean that GT77 Titan girl has some serious back on her LOL. Kinda like that song “Body like a backroad” well in this case, the MSI Titan has a “Body like a Backhoe” The MSI really has me torn. I feel like it’s the best option. But that price! I’d be buying it from Micro center, so if I didn’t absolutely love it I could return it. @johnksss does Microcenter offer that warranty on laptops too? So I could technically use it for 1 year, return it and get a gift card for $4,799 towards next gen model? 🙃 Common sense has to kick in at a certain point for laptops these days. Titan is a beast but with the Strix you're getting 100% its CPU, 80% of its GPU and an 18" screen for less than half the price along with a 2-SODIMM design that will give it a better chance of running higher frequency memory now and down the road. I'm more interested in the 18" display and 13980HX more than anything else. The 4080 is a nice uplift from the 3070/3070ti/2080Super laptops I have on hand atm. IPS glow doesn't bother me at all but having used mini LEDs and OLEDs before you can definitely notice those inky blacks and per pixel lighting on OLED or zone control with mLED. The Titan IS the best option but at a monster price. You could get a Desktop 4090 AND a Strix / Eluk for the same or less than the cost of a Titan to put it in perspective. 🙂 1 1 Electrosoft Prime: SP109 14900KS | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x16GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 https://hwbot.org/submission/5213951_papusan_3dmark05_radeon_hd_7970_87462_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5214002_papusan_3dmark06_radeon_hd_7970_62344_marks?recalculate=true 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 2 hours ago, electrosoft said: That is how it progressed on my X170SM-G. It went from: Working (( was in the middle of setting it up for travel not even gaming or anything) Hard blink red dots Code 43 No Post No Post with a series of blinking yellow lights on the power on LED indicating GPU failure Popped in a Clevo 1060 I had and it booted up no problem Put 2080 S back in and step 4 again When ZtecPC got it after sourcing a brand new 2080 Super it wouldn't post at all even with the new 2080 Super no matter what they did so they swapped in a brand new motherboard and heatsink and it worked perfect after that. The blessing was I was able to get rid of all that K5 Pro mess and the heatsink with the LM soak damage from the original purchase config and go back to a solid 2080 Super + Motherboard and stock thermal pads right from the factory brand new. Common sense has to kick in at a certain point for laptops these days. Titan is a beast but with the Strix you're getting 100% its CPU, 80% of its GPU and an 18" screen for less than half the price along with a 2-SODIMM design that will give it a better chance of running higher frequency memory now and down the road. I'm more interested in the 18" display and 13980HX more than anything else. The 4080 is a nice uplift from the 3070/3070ti/2080Super laptops I have on hand atm. IPS glow doesn't bother me at all but having used mini LEDs and OLEDs before you can definitely notice those inky blacks and per pixel lighting on OLED or zone control with mLED. The Titan IS the best option but at a monster price. You could get a Desktop 4090 AND a Strix / Eluk for the same or less than the cost of a Titan to put it in perspective. 🙂 Yep you’re right! Honestly, the Asus Scar 16 with Mini-LED display does sound good right about now, it is a top contender. These are all new devices and freshly released, I’m gonna be thinking hard about which gaming laptop to get over the next 1-2 weeks. It’s an exciting venture. I find it sad that MXM is dead… And when I am actually at a point in my life where I could potentially spend a good chunk on a real dream machine laptop. All of the actual “Dream Machines” are no where to be found.. Man, I remember drooling over building some over the top spec’d out P870 SLI rig years ago. And now 2023 we just don’t have machines like that anymore. I feel like it’s time for a company to make a laptop that uses actual desktop parts. I feel like it could be possible. If you take a 4080 desktop and remove the heat sink and I/O shield it’s tiny! Now we cap it to 200ish watts and put it in a laptop. Anyways, BGA it is. 😁 3 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Finally put in the HOF in the Black Box. Will be more like Black & White now😎 Could have been a better oc'r but memory at least above 1500 and cores above 300. And it seems I have to make a Win 11 install for this fancy card. This new modern OS will only used for benching... I just can't use it 24/7. Still no time for the small screen for the graphics card. I just hooked it up to the PSU shroud. So no time for fiddling with new bloatware, LOOL The card is very stiff and solid. So you really don’t need to use the silver shining sagging bracket you can see in front of the pump. On 2/18/2023 at 12:20 AM, johnksss said: Not sure what this guy is doing, but don't do like him.... https://hwbot.org/submission/5204031_zippytek_unigine_superposition___1080p_xtreme_geforce_rtx_4090_22650_points Almost all his scores are low with his HOF card..... If you look into right below corner then you see Zippytek use another benchers OS build. Only God know how this custom OS works out. I have never had much success with many of the so called tweaked OS for maxed out performance that flooding around from different tweakers on the Web/YouTube. Maybe I doing something wrong but bench results is often bad with others customized OS builds. https://hwbot.org/submission/5214103_papusan_gpupi_v3.3___32b_geforce_rtx_4090_57sec_752ms https://hwbot.org/submission/5214084_papusan_unigine_superposition___8k_optimized_geforce_rtx_4090_15885_points https://hwbot.org/submission/5214112_papusan_unigine_superposition___1080p_xtreme_geforce_rtx_4090_24926_points?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5214086_papusan_3dmark___port_royal_geforce_rtx_4090_27325_marks 2 3 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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