*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

32 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Maybe that's it. This one says XG7 for the Suprim.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/662695/corsair-hydro-x-series-xg7-rgb-4090-suprim-trio-gpu-water-block

I thought this block was for the X as well.

I had a typo. The "G" is correct. I believe the Suprim/Suprim X (air or liquid) are the same PCB and I think the Trio is as well. The Trio has fewer power stages. I believe the only difference between the Suprim/Suprim X is the the firmware. So, it should be the correct block, but either packaged wrong (wrong block in the Suprim box) or just made wrong.

 

What's weird is now the Corsair site no longer lists the Suprim. It used to list the Suprim and Trio as the exact same part number. SKU CX-9020021-WW. But, now that SKU no longer says Suprim. I know this because Corsair was sending me one to do a review and it was cancelled because the GPU died.

 

Does it look like it is made for a entirely different GPU, or is something off by a little bit? It is hitting something like a power port for the AIO pump that the non-Liquid Surpim or Trio might not have on the PCB for the air cooled card?

[johnksss]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I had a typo. The "G" is correct. I believe the Suprim/Suprim X (air or liquid) are the same PCB and I think the Trio is as well. The Trio has fewer power stages. I believe the only difference between the Suprim/Suprim X is the the firmware. So, it should be the correct block, but either packaged wrong (wrong block in the Suprim box) or just made wrong.

 

What's weird is now the Corsair site no longer lists the Suprim. It used to list the Suprim and Trio as the exact same part number. SKU CX-9020021-WW. But, now that SKU no longer says Suprim. I know this because Corsair was sending me one to do a review and it was cancelled because the GPU died.

 

Does it look like it is made for a entirely different GPU, or is something off by a little bit?

You called it. It has fewer power stages.

 

Now i can take it to the shop and have them mill out the needed space but i'm like.....wth though.

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, johnksss said:

You called it. It has fewer power stages.

 

Now i can take it to the shop and have them mill out the needed space but i'm like.....wth though.

That's very weird. The EKWB, Alphacool and Bykski blocks supposedly also fit Suprim and Trio. That almost looks like they put the wrong block inside the box or something. Are there any part numbers etched in the body that would indicate that?

 

Here is a link to the Corsair store page. It is definitely different than it was a week or two ago, before my Suprim died. It used to say "Suprim / Trio" and now only "Trio" but the part number is the same as before. 

 https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Custom-Cooling/Blocks/GPU-Blocks/Hydro-X-Series-XG7-RGB-40-SERIES-GPU-Water-Block/p/CX-9020021-WW

 

What Microcenter shows is exactly what Corsair USED TO show, but now it only says "Trio" on their web site. It never said Liquid though.
 

[johnksss]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's very weird. The EKWB, Alphacool and Bykski blocks supposedly also fit Suprim and Trio. That almost looks like they put the wrong block inside the box or something. Are there any part numbers etched in the body that would indicate that?

 

Here is a link to the Corsair store page. It is definitely different than it was a week or two ago, before my Suprim died. It used to say "Suprim / Trio" and now only "Trio" but the part number is the same as before. 

 https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Custom-Cooling/Blocks/GPU-Blocks/Hydro-X-Series-XG7-RGB-40-SERIES-GPU-Water-Block/p/CX-9020021-WW

 

What Microcenter shows is exactly what Corsair USED TO show, but now it only says "Trio" on their web site. It never said Liquid though.
 

The picture you posted is for the Gaming Trio. Not sure if that makes a difference, but that block also looks different from mine. The picture on the box also does not look like the block inside the box.

[Mr. Fox]

20 minutes ago, johnksss said:

The picture you posted is for the Gaming Trio. Not sure if that makes a difference, but that block also looks different from mine. The picture on the box also does not look like the block inside the box.

The Gaming Trio and Suprim used to be the same waterblock part number and it was the same part number as your Microcenter listing. Now Corsair's web site has the same part number as before, which matches Microcenter, but the description on the Corsair site no longer says "Suprim" in it. If the missing phase inductors on the Trio are in that same location where the block needs to be carved out, they probably need to redesign the block so it has the recessed area where the Suprim has inductors and the Trio does not. The solder pads on the PCB are there on the Trio, but the components themselves are not.

 

The Alphacool Eisblock had a similar issue on the Suprim, but rather than a recessed area like the Corsair block, the cold plate was not large enough to cover the VRMs on the Suprim. The body of the cold plate stopped where the VRMs on the Trio ended and leave the additional components exposed with no cooling on the Suprim.

[johnksss]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The Gaming Trio and Suprim used to be the same waterblock part number and it was the same part number as your Microcenter listing. Now Corsair's web site has the same part number as before, which matches Microcenter, but the description on the Corsair site no longer says "Suprim" in it. If the missing phase inductors on the Trio are in that same location where the block needs to be carved out, they probably need to redesign the block so it has the recessed area where the Suprim has inductors and the Trio does not. The solder pads on the PCB are there on the Trio, but the components themselves are not.

Im just going to box it up and send it back.

 

This also has no pads on the back while the stock backplate had pads all over the place.

[Mr. Fox]

Well, my shunt-modded 3060 Ti FTW3 on chilled water just took 3rd place from buildzoid's 3060 Ti on LN2.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5216196_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/90137564#

[Papusan]

Good job bro Fox 🙂 You have a good chance to take 2nd 🙂

 

 

@Ashtrix This one is for you.

Intel Patches Stuttering Ethernet Issues, but It's Just a Workaround for Now

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5216213_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_extreme_geforce_rtx_4090_48728_marks?recalculate=true

 

Some improvements. 

 

Another option. The EK block  need to white.

[Mr. Fox]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5216229_ |  https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/90141500

[tps3443]

Last night I was benching 3DMark profile test. And the same is true for Timespy physics testing etc. 

 

Anyways, First run on profile test and I did not even make it to the top 100 leaderboards LOL. @Mr. Fox had beaten me. I reduced my ring clock from x51 to x48 and the difference was huge. Anyone else experience this with higher ring overclocking, may provide lower physics scores and lower 3DMark Profile test scores too. I saw the same thing with 11900K, but it only happens with physics test or profile testing. 🤷‍♂️
 

 

[Papusan]

Nvidia continue try steal more sales from their AIB partners. Now re-opened their online store in Sweden. It places both high end graphics cards at a significantly lower price level than several of the partner cards available at retailers and introduces another competitor to the Nordic market. Yep, Evga saw this would come. 

 

Nvidia turns the corner - sells Founders Edition at target price in Sweden
https://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/35872-nvidia-kovander-saljer-founders-edition-till-riktpris-i-sverige

 

 

[Etern4l]

42 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Nvidia continue try steal more sales from their AIB partners. Now re-opened their online store in Sweden. It places both high end graphics cards at a significantly lower price level than several of the partner cards available at retailers and introduces another competitor to the Nordic market. Yep, Evga saw this would come. 

 

Nvidia turns the corner - sells Founders Edition at target price in Sweden
https://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/35872-nvidia-kovander-saljer-founders-edition-till-riktpris-i-sverige

 

 

 

AiBs needn't be too concerned as the main effect of Nvidia's online stores is customer disappointment and irritation with the consistently poor availability. A lot of it is just links to partner websites selling laptops. 

 

Meanwhile there are AIB 4090 cards at MSRP to boot elsewhere. Who knew the pool of buyers willing to drop $2k on a graphics card is limited!

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Last night I was benching 3DMark profile test. And the same is true for Timespy physics testing etc. 

 

Anyways, First run on profile test and I did not even make it to the top 100 leaderboards LOL. @Mr. Fox had beaten me. I reduced my ring clock from x51 to x48 and the difference was huge. Anyone else experience this with higher ring overclocking, may provide lower physics scores and lower 3DMark Profile test scores too. I saw the same thing with 11900K, but it only happens with physics test or profile testing. 🤷‍♂️

Yes, 100%. Going too far with ring/cache ratio or too high on E-cores can lower benchmarks scores just as going too far with a GPU memory overclock can. It might not crash or throw a BSOD, but it will begin to degrade because the CPU or GPU are struggling and not operating efficiently. I have seen that numerous times. Sometimes disabling cores/threads also increases benchmark scores. It varies by benchmark. There are also some benchmarks that do not benefit as much from overclocking the CPU cores and benefit more from the system memory overclock.

On a similar note, I have found that CPU and GPU overclock setting can bench stable and run 24/7 stable, but when you try to play a game with a bunch of sloppy coding or throw an API wildcard into the mix it is no longer stable and you have to tone things down to accommodate the issue.

 

I think the more complex software and hardware becomes, the more wildcards we encounter that require adjustments so that everything plays nice together. I think that is also why some people are not into overclocking as much. It requires more effort and experimentation than it used to. Some people view that as a hassle.

 

I've noticed more often lately that DX12 games can become more glitchy at times than a game that uses an older DX API. I have seen that with system memory overclocking. You can pass all memory tests with flying colors, no errors, and everything working smoothly. But, then one day you try to play a game that uses DX12 and it doesn't work right, won't launch or something else, and lowering the system memory overclock straightens it out.

[johnksss]

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

Good job bro Fox 🙂 You have a good chance to take 2nd 🙂

 

 

@Ashtrix This one is for you.

Intel Patches Stuttering Ethernet Issues, but It's Just a Workaround for Now

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5216213_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_extreme_geforce_rtx_4090_48728_marks?recalculate=true

 

Some improvements. 

 

Another option. The EK block  need to white.

Trying to catch that 2500 dollar card now.

 

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[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, 100%. Going too far with ring/cache ratio or too high on E-cores can lower benchmarks scores just as going too far with a GPU memory overclock can. It might not crash or throw a BSOD, but it will begin to degrade because the CPU or GPU are struggling and not operating efficiently. I have seen that numerous times. Sometimes disabling cores/threads also increases benchmark scores. It varies by benchmark. There are also some benchmarks that do not benefit as much from overclocking the CPU cores and benefit more from the system memory overclock.

On a similar note, I have found that CPU and GPU overclock setting can bench stable and run 24/7 stable, but when you try to play a game with a bunch of sloppy coding or throw a API wildcard into the mix it is no longer stable and you have to tone thing down to accommodate the issue.

 

I think the more complex software and hardware becomes, the more wildcards we encounter that require adjustments so that everything plays nice together. I think that is also why some people are not into overclocking as much. It requires more effort and experimentation than it used to. Some people view that as a hassle.

 

I've noticed more often lately that DX12 games can become more glitchy at times than a game that uses an older DX API. I have seen that with system memory overclocking. You can pass all memory tests with flying colors, no errors, and everything working smoothly. But, then one day you try to play a game that uses DX12 and it doesn't work right, won't launch or something else, and lowering the system memory overclock straightens it out.

I did a little adjusting and fine tuning. And it’s just scoring so good right now, tonight I am gonna try and beat up all those 13900KS non ln2 chips in Profile test. 

[electrosoft]

And this is why Intel didn't hold back with top end 13th gen mobile processors this time around at even better pricing. AMD bringing the heat!

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-strikes-back-Ryzen-9-7945HX-beats-Intel-Core-i9-13980HX-despite-much-lower-power-consumption.698349.0.html

 

 

 

 

Limiting it to 120w, 13980HX = ~28333, 7945HX = 34521 still.

 

Note how for a brief moment the Apple M1/M2 chip was perceived as so good and now it is just getting destroyed in general compute tasks.

 

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

Trying to catch that 2500 dollar card now.

 

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Nice score bro John🙂 Yep, colder temps help to keep up max boost. And without the tax it would be a $2230 card.

 

If they had this card or the Strix OC I wanted in my normal shop I could shaved off $200 due to me having a discount there, so rigth above $2000. But with limited supply of prefered cards sometimes you don't have many choices. This is the reality living in a small country. Limited options. In all ways.

 

Edit. The only good thing is the 5 years free warrranty.

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Nice score bro John🙂 Yep, colder temps help to keep up max boost. And without the tax it would be a $2230 card.

 

If they had this card or the Strix OC I wanted in my normal shop I could shaved off $200 due to me having a discount there, so rigth above $2000. But with limited supply of prefered cards sometimes you don't have many choices. This is the reality living in a small country. Limited options. In all ways.

 

Edit. The only good thing is the 5 years free warrranty.

Thanks.

 

Ummm, that is a whole lot of explaining about paying more for a card. 😆😆

I did none of that when I bought my Kingpin 3090. The price is what it is when paying for top of the heap cards. And the cheapest one of those cards out here is 3500.00 and the price I quoted was 2500 from tweaktown. So looks like you still got out cheaper.🤣

Side note: I paid just under 9 grand for 4 Titan X's back in the day. And drove to Vegas to pick them up.🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

 

I was at the MC for like 4 morning a week for two weeks trying to get a Stix after I could have grabbed one on day one, but with what Jays2cents card was doing I passed on it. Then tried and they had 15, but all 15 were bad so I gave up on getting a good one of those. I would have been really mad if I got a worse card and spent far more money.

 

Going to have to disagree with you there my friend. Everything about your card is good, but the price of course, but that's a given. (And we all know what we are getting into when spending our hard earned cash)(You will never hear me going on and on about complaining about price. I might mention it once, but then time to move on and enjoy my part.🙂) If they get one in at MC I'm there like white on rice, but anywhere else I'm going to have to pass. Right now no ones warranty policy is better than (Some of the Microcenters) MC. And no way I'm holding on to this card for 5 years. when the 4090 Ti and 5000 series hits this card is going back at a "no loss" price.

[Mr. Fox]

14 minutes ago, johnksss said:

If they get one in at MC I'm there like white on rice, but anywhere else I'm going to have to pass. Right now no ones warranty policy is better than (Some of the Microcenters) MC. And no way I'm holding on to this card for 5 years. when the 4090 Ti and 5000 series hits this card is going back at a "no loss" price.

If I had to pick something good about living in a heavily regulated place like SoCal or Chicagoland, I think it would be having a Microcenter, LOL. (No offense to people that live in those places and love it, just saying there always something you can be happy about if you try hard enough to find something to be happy about.)

[Rage Set]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

If I had to pick something good about living in a heavily regulated place like SoCal or Chicagoland, I think it would be having a Microcenter, LOL. (No offense to people that live in those places and love it, just saying there always something you can be happy about if you try hard enough to find something to be happy about.)

 

I didn't even know about the MC warranty policy, although I generally don't hold onto hardware long enough to invest time or money into a warranty. That is crazy, even if it is store credit. This may push me to drive the hour and half to my local MC more often. 

[johnksss]

8 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

I didn't even know about the MC warranty policy, although I generally don't hold onto hardware long enough to invest time or money into a warranty. That is crazy, even if it is store credit. This may push me to drive the hour and half to my local MC more often. 

Lets see...All my money back minus the cost of warranty or ebay/offerup/craigslist/facebook market place/forum stores - where the best I can hope for is half at the current market rate then have to pay fees...hummmmm. Yeah I'll pass on that. lol

 

The warranty is so you pay a bulk price once...then every time after that you pay the upgrade cost. And in some cases there is no cost at all and you get change.

 

But! You will need to make sure your microcenter operates like that. 

 

Edit: And that can be all my money I paid today back in just under two years time. pretty sure no one is going to pay you 2k for a 2 year old card....

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

I didn't even know about the MC warranty policy, although I generally don't hold onto hardware long enough to invest time or money into a warranty. That is crazy, even if it is store credit. This may push me to drive the hour and half to my local MC more often. 

 

5 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Lets see...All my money back minus the cost of warranty or ebay/offerup/craigslist/facebook market place/forum stores - where the best I can hope for is half at the current market rate then have to pay fees...hummmmm. Yeah I'll pass on that. lol

 

The warranty is so you pay a bulk price once...then every time after that you pay the upgrade cost. And in some cases there is no cost at all and you get change.

 

But! You will need to make sure your microcenter operates like that. 

I've been tempted to drive the 7 hours to Tustin Microcenter a few times. The only thing that has held me back is finding out what I wanted is gone when I get there. But, one of these days I might have Brother John grab something for me and use it as an excuse to drive over for a visit and bring him the money. I'd probably not save anything by the time I factored in the cost of gasoline, but it would be a great excuse anyway. And, I'd have that warranty in my back pocket later if I needed it.

[johnksss]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

I've been tempted to drive the 7 hours to Tustin Microcenter a few times. The only thing that has held me back is finding out what I wanted is gone when I get there. But, one of these days I might have Brother John grab something for me and use it as an excuse to drive over for a visit and bring him the money. I'd probably not save anything by the time I factored in the cost of gasoline, but it would be a great excuse anyway. And, I'd have that warranty in my back pocket later if I needed it.

Or maybe I drive it out to you as I seem to have lots of people wanting me to come to AZ to visit right now. 🙂

 

Edit:

That's right. You don't know. I no longer have that Benz anymore. Got into an accident and they totaled it out.

[Tenoroon]

What programs do you all recommend for memory testing? I've never really messed with RAM at all, but @Custom90gtsold me his sticks and I'd like to make sure they have no errors at the speeds I'm using them at now.

[electrosoft]

5 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

What programs do you all recommend for memory testing? I've never really messed with RAM at all, but @Custom90gtsold me his sticks and I'd like to make sure they have no errors at the speeds I'm using them at now.

 

I use TM5 and Windows Memory Diagnostics. You can throw in old school memtest in there if you like too.