*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Etern4l]

47 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I put in the HOF in the Box. More like Black&White😎 Could have been a better oc'r but memory at least above 1500. And it seems I have to make a Win 11 install for this card. Will only be for benching... I just can't use it 24/7.

 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5214103_papusan_gpupi_v3.3___32b_geforce_rtx_4090_57sec_752ms

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5214084_papusan_unigine_superposition___8k_optimized_geforce_rtx_4090_15885_points

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5214112_papusan_unigine_superposition___1080p_xtreme_geforce_rtx_4090_24926_points?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5214086_papusan_3dmark___port_royal_geforce_rtx_4090_27325_marks

 

 

Out of interest, why can't you use it day to day? Worrying it will fail or something? 

[electrosoft]

Apex Z790 vs Kingpin Z790:

 

 

[Etern4l]

7 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Apex Z790 vs Kingpin Z790:

 

 

 

Asus-sponsored? ;) 

[electrosoft]

2 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Asus-sponsored? 😉

 

lol, I like how he thinks he has some god like knowledge of memory tuning and system optimizations that no one else has......

 

He definitely craps all over EVGA though. 🙂

 

 

[Papusan]

49 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Out of interest, why can't you use it day to day? Worrying it will fail or something? 

I talk about Win 11. I have quintuple of OS installed. Now I need Win 11 and it will be sextuple setup. But this new and modern tablet OS is awful. I have no interest in it. Only for benching the new. Even if it may provide slightly better FPS in games, I won’t use it. 
 

Edit. Could see why you asked. Edit my previous post 🙂

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

I talk about Win 11. I have quintuple of OS installed. Now I need Win 11 and it will be sextuple setup. But this new and modern tablet OS is awful. I have no interest in it. Only for benching the new. Even if it may provide slightly better FPS in games, I won’t use it. 
 

Edit. Could see why you asked. Edit my previous post 🙂

Ive yet to install that garbage, I'll probably VM it first to see how ridiculous it is. Luckily there are ways of changing the gui to something that resembles a functional OS.

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

Finally put in the HOF in the Black Box. Will be more like Black&White now😎 Could have been a better oc'r but memory at least above 1500 and cores above 300. And it seems I have to make a Win 11 install for this fancy card. This new modern OS will only used for benching... I just can't use it 24/7. Still no time for the small screen for the graphics card. I just hooked it up to the PSU shroud. So no time for fiddling with new bloatware, LOOL

 

The card is very stiff and solid. So you really don’t need to use the silver shining sagging bracket you can see in front of the pump. 

Nice scores. Looks like a very good GPU, as it should be for the price. Probably best to use anti-sag bracket anyway as you have, just to keep stress of the weight off of the PCIe slot even though sagging is not an issue with the stiff GPU. 

4 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Ive yet to install that garbage, I'll probably VM it first to see how ridiculous it is. Luckily there are ways of changing the gui to something that resembles a functional OS.

While it won't fix the underlying issues with the OS in general, StartAllBack will fix the most troubling (disgusting) aesthetic aspects of the atrociously ugly GUI. You can use the script to remove/destroy Defender AV as well, and that help fix some things.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice scores. Looks like a very good GPU, as it should be for the price. Probably best to use anti-sag bracket anyway as you have, just to keep stress of the weight off of the PCIe slot even though sagging is not an issue with the stiff GPU. 

Thanks, bro Fox. I will use that fancy anti-sag bracket. You never know. Right below 3kg card is a heavy lift for the PCIe slot. At least Galax used a real 3 slot mounting bracket for a 4 slot card. 
 

With the limited amount pc parts web-shops here home I risk being banned if I return every second purchase I buy. Not easy living in a small country with limited options but awful tax policy if you buy parts outside the border. The only nice thing is the 5 years free warranty. But you pay for that with the high forced taxes. Buying parts outside the Norwegian border will add 25% tax but because you bought it outside Norway you lose the 5 years free warranty. The longer warranty only apply to purchases done here home. Aka pay more but get nothing extra back.
 

All flagship graphics cards should perform better than the cheaper models of same SKU/brand. This applies the whole range of different SKUs. You pay premium for getting the best. Today you can get better performance from the cheaper cards than their flagship. Shouldn’t be like this. This is just sad. You pay more for more bling, better coolers not better bin. 
 

This is also sad. You pay more for less. You get better cpu for gaming and nothing more. For premium. 3.5 Stars of 5. 
 

https://uk.pcmag.com/processors/145658/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

While it won't fix the underlying issues with the OS in general, StartAllBack will fix the most troubling (disgusting) aesthetic aspects of the atrociously ugly GUI. You can use the script to remove/destroy Defender AV as well, and that help fix some things.

Sadly, nothing can help make Win 11 to be a better option than older Windows versions. Put lipstick on this new buggy and tablet OS don’t make it any better. 

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

This is also sad. You pay more for less. You get better cpu for gaming and nothing more. For premium. 3.5 Stars of 5. 
 

https://uk.pcmag.com/processors/145658/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d

Sadly, nothing can help make Win 11 to be a better option than older Windows versions. Put lipstick on this new buggy and tablet OS don’t make it any better. 

 

Just watched a bit of the GN video review. LOL, the CPU has asymmetric design (8 cores have quicker access to the L3 cache but are slower, 8 cores are faster, but slower access to the 3D cache), therefore requires special scheduler (if not native support) to try and optimise the hybrid architecture. It's highly likely that the initial test results have yielded subpar performance because of to this. Apparently AMD are "working with Microsoft" on addressing the issue. That will most likely mean "Windows 11 only". I'm sure bro @Raiderman will be most impressed.

 

Additionally, according to a chart from that PCMag review, 13900KS is slower than 13900K, so I guess they don't run sufficiently efficient cooling during their tests to leverage those extra hot CPUs.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

While it won't fix the underlying issues with the OS in general, StartAllBack will fix the most troubling (disgusting) aesthetic aspects of the atrociously ugly GUI. You can use the script to remove/destroy Defender AV as well, and that help fix some things.

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Sadly, nothing can help make Win 11 to be a better option than older Windows versions. Put lipstick on this new buggy and tablet OS don’t make it any better. 

Right. You can't truly fix everything that is wrong with it. You are merely treating symptoms and not curing the disease. All you can do is make it less disgusting visually and less inefficient to navigate. You can remove or disable some things, but it's still going to ultimately be the same botched up and bloated cancer OS under the hood.

 

In additional to removing Defender AV, there are dozens of worthless services that can be removed, or disabled if the idea of actually physically deleting Services scares you. And, you can remove garbage like the free M$ Office, OneNote, OneDrive, Teams and Edge browser using Revo Uninstaller Pro. You can also disable Micro$lop Updates. A side benefit to removing Defender AV is that it often seems to break cumulative update packages. They will try to install and fail, so that is a good enough reason all by itself.

 

If you want to update the OS you can always download the ISO from Micro$lop and do an in-place upgrade, but then you have to go back and redo a lot of what you spent time tweaking. But, you won't have to reinstall most software applications. An in-place upgrade usually requires reinstalling StartAllBack and redoing the tweaks.

[tps3443]

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Apex Z790 vs Kingpin Z790:

 

 

I would take the Z790 Apex over the Z790 Dark. If you asked me a year ago, my answer probably would have been different, but not anymore. The community support and guides and articles on the Apex are pretty nice as well.

Re-sale value is also really really good on the Asus enthusiast motherboards (It’s through the roof actually). I use to really like the EVGA motherboards but not as much nowadays. They do take forever and a day to release a product, and when they do it’s going to take them a while to address a potential bios issue, then in 12 months it is worth a fraction lol. 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

Just watched a bit of the GN video review. LOL, the CPU has asymmetric design (8 cores have quicker access to the L3 cache but are slower, 8 cores are faster, but slower access to the 3D cache), therefore requires special scheduler (if not native support) to try and optimise the hybrid architecture. It's highly likely that the initial test results have yielded subpar performance because of to this. Apparently AMD are "working with Microsoft" on addressing the issue. That will most likely mean "Windows 11 only". I'm sure bro @Raiderman will be most impressed.

 

Additionally, according to a chart from that PCMag review, 13900KS is slower than 13900K, so I guess they don't run sufficiently efficient cooling during their tests to leverage those extra hot CPUs.

Short summary from Pcgamer.com...

 

Looking at the frame times, I can see that the AMD chips are stuttering badly, and that's impacting the final average frame rate numbers. I can't tell whether this is something specifically due to the driver package attached to the 3D V-cache, as it's the same with the non-X3D version running the same chipset drivers. But it's certainly not something that occurs with the Intel chip.

 

Just don't expect overclocking to come to the rescue if you want to squeeze that little bit of extra productivity performance out of your chip. AMD hasn't entirely killed overclocking, you can still use its Curve Optimizer and Precision Boost features, but direct overclocking is nixed.

 

 So, if you're a content creator with a passing interest in gaming, then the standard Ryzen 9 7950X or Intel Core i9 13900K is going to be of more interest to you.

 

The ugly truth. Pay more, get less. And if you game on with 4K you get even less from this new X3D flagship from AMD

 

A mildly overclock on Raptor lake (K/KS) you'll see more like 42.000 in Cinebench. And it won't run much hotter than the 7950X3D due the way AMD want the new Ryzen chips to run. 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Right. You can't truly fix everything that is wrong with it. You are merely treating symptoms and not curing the disease. All you can do is make it less disgusting visually and less inefficient to navigate. You can remove or disable some things, but it's still going to ultimately be the same botched up and bloated cancer OS under the hood.

 

In additional to removing Defender AV, there are dozens of worthless services that can be removed, or disabled if the idea of actually physically deleting Services scares you. And, you can remove garbage like the free M$ Office, OneNote, OneDrive, Teams and Edge browser using Revo Uninstaller Pro. You can also disable Micro$lop Updates. A side benefit to removing Defender AV is that it often seems to break cumulative update packages. They will try to install and fail, so that is a good enough reason all by itself.

 

If you want to update the OS you can always download the ISO from Micro$lop and do an in-place upgrade, but then you have to go back and redo a lot of what you spent time tweaking. But, you won't have to reinstall most software applications. An in-place upgrade usually requires reinstalling StartAllBack and redoing the tweaks.

I'm not even sure I will bother make Win 11 usefull for the limited use I have for it. 

 

I will in instead sit down, take it calm looking on more stupid moves from Redmond. This won't be the last we have see with crying babies and Microsoft... https://www.pcworld.com/article/1524782/microsoft-admits-it-marked-ineligible-pcs-for-windows-11-upgrades.html 

 

[ryan]

14 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I'm not even sure I will bother make Win 11 usefull for the limited use I have for it. 

is there a big difference between windows 10 and a startallisback with windows 11? isn't windows 10 still functioning, or are you guys still using windows 7?

 

my favorite was windows 95, hated everything up till windows 7. windows 10 was ok, windows 11 doesn't make sense neither did windows 8.1

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

is there a big difference between windows 10 and a startallisback with windows 11? isn't windows 10 still functioning, or are you guys still using windows 7?

 

my favorite was windows 95, hated everything up till windows 7. windows 10 was ok, windows 11 doesn't make sense neither did windows 8.1

I use Windows 11 with really good results on my daily work PC. It also benches okay performance wise and the gaming performance is actually really good. The OS just works for me. I know it’s not as fast as some older stripped OS. But, new game requirements have forced us to move on. So there is little we can do sometimes (Especially if you want to play certain titles that force you to be on latest WIN10/11 builds. If you throw some fast hardware at Windows 11 it’s gonna perform great. 
 

One more thing, my Windows 11 OS does seem to be really resilient against memory overclocking and crashing/BSOD’s. It has not broken one time.

 

I have most stuff disabled. Like core isolation, Cortana, the MS office items, and some other things I am forgetting. And it runs really well for me. 
 

I wish Microsoft would release a new operating system. Windows 11 BME “Benchmark Edition” an OS with no fluff and only peak performance. And you can enable different levels. “Bare minimum services mode” for benching high numbers and or “Daily performance mode” all required/important items work so you can game or work with important things like sound and networking Lol.

[ryan]

31 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I wish Microsoft would release a new operating system. Windows 11 BME “Benchmark Edition” an OS with no fluff and only peak performance. And you can enable different levels. “Bare minimum services mode” for benching high numbers and or “Daily performance mode” all required/important items work so you can game or work with important things like sound and networking Lol.

i'll put in a request with bill. and thanks for the explanation

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Just watched a bit of the GN video review. LOL, the CPU has asymmetric design (8 cores have quicker access to the L3 cache but are slower, 8 cores are faster, but slower access to the 3D cache), therefore requires special scheduler (if not native support) to try and optimise the hybrid architecture. It's highly likely that the initial test results have yielded subpar performance because of to this. Apparently AMD are "working with Microsoft" on addressing the issue. That will most likely mean "Windows 11 only". I'm sure bro @Raiderman will be most impressed.

 

Additionally, according to a chart from that PCMag review, 13900KS is slower than 13900K, so I guess they don't run sufficiently efficient cooling during their tests to leverage those extra hot CPUs.

 

7900X3D wasn't even on my radar. I'll be waiting for the 7800X3D to see some better priced final results and not have to worry about scheduler issues.

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I would take the Z790 Apex over the Z790 Dark. If you asked me a year ago, my answer probably would have been different, but not anymore. The community support and guides and articles on the Apex are pretty nice as well.

Re-sale value is also really really good on the Asus enthusiast motherboards (It’s through the roof actually). I use to really like the EVGA motherboards but not as much nowadays. They do take forever and a day to release a product, and when they do it’s going to take them a while to address a potential bios issue, then in 12 months it is worth a fraction lol. 

 

I like them both but I'm leaning towards the Apex a bit in that match up too. Both are priced out of my acceptable motherboard wheelhouse either way.

 

31 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I use Windows 11 with really good results on my daily work PC. It also benches okay performance wise and the gaming performance is actually really good. The OS just works for me. I know it’s not as fast as some older stripped OS. But, new game requirements have forced us to move on. So there is little we can do sometimes (Especially if you want to play certain titles that force you to be on latest WIN10/11 builds. If you throw some fast hardware at Windows 11 it’s gonna perform great. 
 

One more thing, my Windows 11 OS does seem to be really resilient against memory overclocking and crashing/BSOD’s. It has not broken one time.

 

I have most stuff disabled. Like core isolation, Cortana, the MS office items, and some other things I am forgetting. And it runs really well for me. 
 

I wish Microsoft would release a new operating system. Windows 11 BME “Benchmark Edition” an OS with no fluff and only peak performance. And you can enable different levels. “Bare minimum services mode” for benching high numbers and or “Daily performance mode” all required/important items work so you can game or work with important things like sound and networking Lol.

 

Last time I clung to an OS was Windows XP. After that, I kinda just go with the flow and install the new on its own partition and go back and forth till I am ready to make the switch.

 

Windows 11 isn't bad at its core. What is bad is Microsoft using it as a means to data mine and push all types of services I don't want. There is no long term value in just selling the OS and that's that. Now it is a continual dynamic money making entity to the detriment of the end user. Windows 11 just extends that model moreso than Windows 10. But at it's core? I use it on multiple machines and it gets it done. If M$ wants to make me jump through hoops to strip away as many unneeded services as possible, challenge accepted each and every time.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

14 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Apex Z790 vs Kingpin Z790:

 

 

I don't think he knows what he is talking about. Lack of experience with EVGA as a company and their excellent support, and lack of experience with how to get the right results with the EVGA firmware are pretty evident. If you learn how to use it, I think it is better. What I think he is right about though, is a noob that doesn't know what they are doing should not buy a EVGA Dark motherboard. It is not designed with gaming as a focus. It is not built for weekend warrior nonsense like TVB overclocking or applying an XMP profile and calling it good. It is built for overclocking and manual tuning. Period. They won't be happy because it works different than an ASUS mobo and they won't get any help figuring out what they need to do differently to get the results they are looking for.

 

The real problem with ASUS is QC, reliability and truly horrible anti-customer warranty support. Their community is nice, but it doesn't do jack when the part fails and ASUS treats you like crap. It seems evident to me that they don't care about the people that buy their products. Their behavior leaves room for no other conclusion.

 

While excusing themselves from GPU sales rather than kneel to NVIDIA may ultimately hurt EVGA in the long run, I respect them immensely for refusing to become a boot-licker. That might not keep them in business, but I wish more AIB GPU partners would take their approach and either tell NVIDIA to take a hike, or join force to form a mutiny, ignore NVIDIA and do things the right way. They won't though. They're too busy kissing booty with the Jolly Green Giant and the Redmond Reprobates to do the right thing.

  

3 hours ago, ryan said:

is there a big difference between windows 10 and a startallisback with windows 11? isn't windows 10 still functioning, or are you guys still using windows 7?

 

my favorite was windows 95, hated everything up till windows 7. windows 10 was ok, windows 11 doesn't make sense neither did windows 8.1

It really boils down to what you are willing to put up with. Seeing how you spent so much time and effort to get higher benchmark scores, I can pretty much guarantee you that installing Windows 11 is not going to help you accomplish that. By default, it will take you in the extact opposite direction.

 

If you want to just install the OS and use it and don't care about the intent behind the design of it, and you're just going to play games and use it, and don't care about getting the best benchmark scores, then it is really nothing more than an extra-ugly reskinned version of Windows 10 with added telemetry, extra bloat and a default GUI that is less functional. The worst part of it is how insanely ugly and dumbed-down it is by default. I won't use it that way. It's absolutely disgusting.

 

All that said, if you actually want to tweak the snot out of it, enjoy breaking things on purpose, and enjoy spending the time and effort needed you can make it perform pretty much the same as Windows 10. This is where I am on the spectrum. I want to break things in Windows 11, and I want to do things with it that the idiots that made it do not approve of. 

 

I know the Redmond Rugrats are never going to do what is best for anyone except for themselves. They do not care about doing the right thing. They do not care about user privacy, and they could not care any less what users want or don't want in the OS. So, I am also concurrently focusing on making Linux a replacement for Windows so that when it gets to the point that I am done with their nonsense I am prepared to live life without  Micro$lop feces. They are not deserving of any form of acknowledgement, respect or consideration, so we should give them any.

[Raiderman]

Another difference between Windows 7, and 10. WPrime 32mb Windows 7- 1.171, Windows 10 1.393

 

Knowing my luck there is probably some rule about using Windows 7 and WPrime.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5214589_

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

17 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Another difference between Windows 7, and 10. WPrime 32mb Windows 7- 1.171, Windows 10 1.393

 

Knowing my luck there is probably some rule about using Windows 7 and WPrime.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5214589_

 

 

Nope, no rule against it. Windows 7 rules with CPU performance and it shows in things like wPrime and 3DMark 11 and Sky Diver physics performance. W8, 10 and 11 suck and get utterly destroyed by W7.

 

The reason Time Spy won't run on W7 is they know it would totally wreck the scores submitted with W10 and W11.

[Raiderman]

29 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nope, no rule against it. Windows 7 rules with CPU performance and it shows in things like wPrime and 3DMark 11 and Sky Diver physics performance. W8, 10 and 11 suck and get utterly destroyed by W7.

 

The reason Time Spy won't run on W7 is they know it would totally wreck the scores submitted with W10 and W11.

Whats funny, is I just got home from work, reading the posts here about Windows 11, rebooted to the windows 7 drive and benched WPrime. Smoked my Windows 10 runs easily without any effort.

I really haven't had any time to have a good ole bench-fest yet with this rig. Ive d one some auto submissions via benchmate, but haven't had time to really tweak on it yet.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Another difference between Windows 7, and 10. WPrime 32mb Windows 7- 1.171, Windows 10 1.393

 

Knowing my luck there is probably some rule about using Windows 7 and WPrime.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5214589_

 

 

Hwbot does not trust newer OS than Win 7 on AMD platform. So newer has to be better, HaHa

 

Not allowed outside, you must use Benchmate. The same also applies to older Intel chips below the Skylake generation.

 

Nice results bro Raiderman 🙂

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nope, no rule against it. Windows 7 rules with CPU performance and it shows in things like wPrime and 3DMark 11 and Sky Diver physics performance. W8, 10 and 11 suck and get utterly destroyed by W7.

 

The reason Time Spy won't run on W7 is they know it would totally wreck the scores submitted with W10 and W11.

Time Spy is DirectX 12. From what I remember Win 7 doesn't support it. Microsoft prefered that you upgraded to their new phone OS. Yep Win 8 was their ticket going into the phone market. They failed with phones but continued make Windows as an Apple clone for (phones and tablets). Unisex is what we call it. And Apple... They offer own OS /iOS) for their phones. Microsoft want that their desktop OS can be used for everything.

 

They could offer DirectX 12 for Win 7 from the day they launched Win 8 if they wanted... 

DirectX 12 is now available on Windows 7 proving that dreams do come true

 

Had to improvise a bit with a drill and tape. All internal USB 2 connectors are occupied on the MB, so I had to change a PCIe bracket a bit so that I can use the USB I/O ports for the HOF screen. Maybe I can find a dual Internal USB connector to make it more pretty.

 

[Tenoroon]

Is XP still allowed for some benchmarks on older hardware over at the BOT? I remember watching a video of Luumi running is i7 980x on dry ice and I remember him running the benchmarks on XP.

[Raiderman]

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Hwbot does not trust newer OS than Win 7 on AMD platform. So newer has to be better, HaHa

 

Not allowed outside, you must use Benchmate. The same also applies to older Intel chips below the Skylake generation.

 

Nice results bro Raiderman 🙂

Time Spy is DirectX 12. From what I remember Win 7 doesn't support it. Microsoft prefered that you upgraded to their new phone OS. Yep Win 8 was their ticket going into the phone market. They failed with phones but continued make Windows as an Apple clone

 

They could offer DirectX 12 from the day they launched Win 8 if they wanted... 

DirectX 12 is now available on Windows 7 proving that dreams do come true

 

Had to improvise a bit with a drill and tape. All internal USB 2 connectors are occupied on the MB, so I had to change a PCIe bracket a bit so that I can use the USB I/O ports for the HOF screen. Maybe I can find a dual Internal USB connector to make it more pretty.

 

As I am in the process of moving, and packing crap, I thought I would snap a pic for my bro Papusan 😄

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Tenoroon said:

Is XP still allowed for some benchmarks on older hardware over at the BOT? I remember watching a video of Luumi running is i7 980x on dry ice and I remember him running the benchmarks on XP.

Yep. Win 8 and above is the problem child on AMD and Intel before Skylake https://hwbot.org/generalRules

 

Damn nice shoes bro @RaidermanTreat them well 🙂

 

Edit. Forgot to tell... No screen clipping if you want post scores on Hwbot. The taskbar must also be visible in the screenshoot.

 

Have mentioned AMDs massive QC and QM problems before in my older posts... This one below follow same paths. They just can't stop🤯

 

The sooner AMD launches its Ryzen 7000HS series the better. The closer we get to the launch, the further adjustments are applied to the product specs, and none of them seems to go into a better direction.

 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-quietly-reduces-ryzen-7040hs-rdna3-igpu-clock-speeds-removes-pcie-gen5-support

[Tenoroon]

Update on the 2080 Super:

I'm still in talks with NorthwestRepair about the repair. Him and I are trying to find a good quality MXM to PCIe adapter. I'm still left scratching my head as there's basically zero information about these adapters whatsoever. The only stuff I've been able to find is here from another user who has a lot of insight on the manufacturers of most of the adapters.

I've contacted Tech Cemetery, another GPU repair guy who I remember owned an adapter, but I believe his died on him or something. I'm still awaiting a response from him. 

I personally haven't had much time to further test the card. It seems that every time I try to plan to do something, personal things or a bunch of schoolwork comes up and stops me from doing what I intended to do. Hopefully I can find some time this week to sit down and diagnose the card. 

It really is just a shame that there's zero information about MXM cards out there (While I hate to say it, I can see why this standard just absolutely fell apart). Well, there probably is information/knowledge, but those are blocked by a language barrier (The Chinese seem to know the most about anything MXM lol.) I might just personally pull the trigger on an adapter and hope it's not a dud, I could always return it, but the few that are on Ebay will take about a month to ship as they are shipping straight out of China...


On a sidenote, I recently purchased another 8gb stick of RAM for my G14. Would it be wise to re-run some of the CPU benchmarks I've ran on it with the 2nd stick installed or does RAM speed not affect 2d benchmarks all too much? I'm assuming dual channel RAM doesn't really affect the scores you see in a 2d benchmark, but let me know if I'm wrong.