*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

3 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

This is done to boost FPS in competitive online shooters (and trigger a CPU bottleneck scenario) I was going to ask if @tps3443 has CSGO. Would be easily pushing 1000+ fps at 1024x768, a commonly used resolution there. 🙂

My ignorance on the subject is possibly reflective of the fact that I avoid online multiplayer games. But, I still have not noticed anyone showcasing performance on low settings before. Maybe because I am so selective and narrow in my interests that I have skimmed over all of them or I simply haven't spent any time in social media settings relating to it. I am used to the exact opposite being the point of focus.

[Etern4l]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

My ignorance on the subject is possibly reflective of the fact that I avoid online multiplayer games. But, I still have not noticed anyone showcasing performance on low settings before. Maybe because I am so selective and narrow in my interests that I have skimmed over all of them or I simply haven't spent any time in social media settings relating to it. I am used to the exact opposite being the point of focus.

 

Online multilayer games are so addictive, they are the reason I avoid games altogether after developing a fairly severe CSGO habit. I'm too competitive lol

 

As for the low settings and low res, I think CSGO (being the top eSport) may be unique in that regard, as people try to pursue every bit of edge possible. Also, a lot of the pros come from the earlier CSes where 1024x768 and modest image quality were the standard. 

The nice thing about CSGO is that it has a standard benchmark built-in. 

 

FPS fans prone to binging online should stay well away from this eCrack though. 

[tps3443]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

My ignorance on the subject is possibly reflective of the fact that I avoid online multiplayer games. But, I still have not noticed anyone showcasing performance on low settings before. Maybe because I am so selective and narrow in my interests that I have skimmed over all of them or I simply haven't spent any time in social media settings relating to it. I am used to the exact opposite being the point of focus.

 

Low settings is just to strain the cpu and memory! More cpu power, heavier load. I do not play like that. 🙂

 

But 300FPS with the old 3090 at even 2560x1440P is possible. Though, I am using DLSS to my advantage. 
 

Battlefield 2042 is very demanding, so I wanted to demonstrate CPU wattage. This game is far more difficult to run than something like R23. 

[Mr. Fox]

23 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Online multilayer games are so addictive, they are the reason I avoid games altogether after developing a fairly severe CSGO habit. I'm too competitive lol

 

As for the low settings and low res, I think CSGO (being the top eSport) my be unique in that regard, as people try to pursue every bit of edge possible. Also, a lot of the pros come from the earlier CSes where 1024x768 and modest image quality were the standard. 

The nice thing about CSGO is that it has a standard benchmark built-in. 

I love having standard benchmarks built into games. I have purchased games that I do not like and never play simply to have the benchmark tool.  

 

I have said it often enough that people that have been hanging out in the same places as me are probably numb to it by now. It probably seems to be contradictory in some ways because I am heavily engaged in a couple of forums relating to my overclocking hobby, but I am not naturally a social type. I am a very boring hermit apart from the overclocking thing and do not enjoy multiplayer gaming. The closest thing to that I have ever enjoyed is multiplayer LAN, but I don't even like that anymore. I seldom play games, but when I do the intent is generally self-isolation versus social engagement.  That probably makes me seem like a weirdo to a lot of people. 

12 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Battlefield 2042 is very demanding, so I wanted to demonstrate CPU wattage. This game is far more difficult to run than something like R23. 

Hmm, interesting. I did not know that. I will have to give that a try. I think I may have Battlefield 2042 in my library of games that never get played. I love single-player Battlefield and CoD titles, but gaming is something I can rarely make time for. Too busy with other things and not enough hours in a day to include gaming.

[Etern4l]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I love having standard benchmarks built into games. I have purchased games that I do not like and never play simply to have the benchmark tool.  

 

I have said it often enough that people that have been hanging out in the same places as me are probably numb to it by now. I probably seems to be contradictory in some ways because if am heavily engaged in a couple of forums relating to my overclocking hobby, but I am not naturally a social type. I am a very boring hermit apart from the overclocking thing and do not enjoy multiplayer gaming. The closest thing to that I have ever enjoyed is multiplayer LAN, but I don't even like that anymore. I seldom play games, but when I do the intent is generally self-isolation versus social engagement. 

 

Right, MP games typically promote some sort of group/clan affiliation at higher levels, as teaming up with random people becomes pointless. However, CSGO has (had 2 years ago when I dropped out) a fairly good matchmaking system, so up to a certain (extremely high) level it can be soloed. The main draw is that it is easily the most difficult FPS, the social aspect is optional and with the gigantic pool of players, you are fairly unlikely to play with/against the same people often. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Right, MP games typically promote some sort of group/clan affiliation at higher levels, as teaming up with random people becomes pointless. However, CSGO has (had 2 years ago when I dropped out) a fairly good matchmaking system, so up to a certain (extremely high) level it can be soloed. The main draw is that it is easily the most difficult FPS, the social aspect is optional and with the gigantic pool of players, you are fairly unlikely to play with/against the same people often. 

Yeah, that is one of the things I dislike most about multi-player. When I do engage socially, I prefer it to be with people I know and like versus strangers, and I prefer one or two friends at a time, not a "party" with lots of people.

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Dadgummit! Is there a way to avoid installing a piece of crap app instead of Origin client? This kind of stuff really pisses me off. I don't see a cancel option available now.

[tps3443]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, that is one of the things I dislike most about multi-player. When I do engage socially, I prefer it to be with people I know and like versus strangers, and I prefer one or two friends at a time, not a "party" with lots of people.

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Dadgummit! Is there a way to avoid installing a piece of crap app instead of Origin client? This kind of stuff really pisses me off. I don't see a cancel option available now.

If you want to play, it’s the only way! Lol. When EA took over Origin I felt the exact same way. But good news is, you don’t need Origin anymore. So you’re just replacing one for the other. Just disable it as start up and services afterwards. 

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, tps3443 said:

If you want to play, it’s the only way! Lol. When EA took over Origin I felt the exact same way. But good news is, you don’t need Origin anymore. So you’re just replacing one for the other. Just disable it as start up and services afterwards. 

Looks like there may be a hack. I'm going to give it a try. Glad to see there are lots of other people that think it sucks like I do.

 

https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports-Technical-Issues/How-do-I-bypass-the-EA-App-and-access-Origin-to-play-games/m-p/12305817#M21656

[Etern4l]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, that is one of the things I dislike most about multi-player. When I do engage socially, I prefer it to be with people I know and like versus strangers, and I prefer one or two friends at a time, not a "party" with lots of people.

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Dadgummit! Is there a way to avoid installing a piece of crap app instead of Origin client? This kind of stuff really pisses me off. I don't see a cancel option available now.

 

You can play with your buddies only, no problem (in fact most regulars play that way). Need new online buddies? Relatively easy to find them. There is even a huge marketplace when you can trade items (no way to withdraw profits unfortunately). You can even go to an online CSGO school to learn/improve the plethora of techniques involved. Seasoned players get to be judges, where they are granted the privileged responsibility of reviewing footage from suspect ganes, passing verdicts on cheaters and getting them banned. Before too long there is a serious risk that CSGO becomes the victim's life lol 

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, Etern4l said:

 

You can play with your buddies only, no problem (in fact most regulars play that way). Need new online buddies? Relatively easy to find them. There is even a huge marketplace when you can trade items (no way to withdraw profits unfortunately). You can even go to an online CSGO school to improve the plethora of techniques. Seasoned players get to be judges, where they are granted the privileged responsibility whereby the review footage from suspect ganes and pass verdicts on cheaters and get them banned. Before too long there is a serious risk that CSGO becomes the victim's life lol 

My preference is to play all by myself in offline campaign mode. I enjoy the solitude and absence of interaction with other human beings, even friends and family, when gaming.

[Etern4l]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

My preference is to play all by myself in offline campaign mode. I enjoy the solitude and absence of interaction with other human beings, even friends and family, when gaming.

 

That is by far the safer/healthier way to game. Many single player games / campaigns today tend to be boring afterthoughts one would struggle to endure until the end, with very little replayability that could pose a risk (with some impressive exceptions of course). 

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

That is by far the safer/healthier way to game. Many single player games / campaigns today tend to be boring afterthoughts one would struggle to endure until the end, with very little replayability that could pose a risk (with some impressive exceptions of course). 

Most of the best things in life have been, are in process, or soon will be, ruined by worthless, stupid, greedy, dishonest losers that are an utter waste of human DNA. They should all be rounded up and shipped off to a concentration camp on a deserted island so they can't continue screwing things up for the normal people of the world. We've allowed them to have a presence, make decisions, have influence and gain control in areas where it is unwelcomed.  They have proven, without a shadow of doubt, that the original concepts of "diversity" and "inclusion" have been misappropriated, bastardized and FUBAR'd. What we are left with is neither one, but a highjacking of normalcy by idiots.

[cylix]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, that is one of the things I dislike most about multi-player. When I do engage socially, I prefer it to be with people I know and like versus strangers, and I prefer one or two friends at a time, not a "party" with lots of people.

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Dadgummit! Is there a way to avoid installing a piece of crap app instead of Origin client? This kind of stuff really pisses me off. I don't see a cancel option available now.

 OH how i hate that EA APP, its the shitiest app ever. I play a lot of BF 2042 and older ones, heck im playing battlefield fromn the first one, i find it the best MP game  even if the latest ones are shit compared with the first ones. But that EA APP is CANCER. It disconnects and you are unable to connect again, or when you connect all the games are not seen in library anymore...its SHIT!

 

 

Origin was still shit but it was 100x better as this one.

[Mr. Fox]

47 minutes ago, cylix said:

 OH how i hate that EA APP, its the shitiest app ever. I play a lot of BF 2042 and older ones, heck im playing battlefield fromn the first one, i find it the best MP game  even if the latest ones are shit compared with the first ones. But that EA APP is CANCER. It disconnects and you are unable to connect again, or when you connect all the games are not seen in library anymore...its SHIT!

 

Origin was still shit but it was 100x better as this one.

Yes, it is cancer. It has company with a lot of other forms of digital cancer, with more filth on the horizon. That is sad. But, it is a reflection of the people behind it. They are examples of a human form of cancer and the embodiment of a virus for building digital feces.

 

Hopefully enough normal people will reject their filth and force them into compliance with the wishes of their "customers" or face financial ruin for failing to comply. The threat of destruction or annihilation is often the only force compelling enough for force idiots to fall back in line and do what is expected of them. I'm not going to purchase anything from them again if I have to use this piece of garbage to play it. They don't sell anything worth tolerating it, and I doubt they can create anything compelling enough for it to be worth putting up with their trash app. If they're not willing to fall in line, then they deserve to die as a company and we will all be better off without them. I'd pull the plug on their life support system and celebrate watching them flat-line right now if I could. I'd like to do that to a number of self-anointed Nazi bigshots right now, including Micro$lop, Facepoot and Google.

 

My EA library is already very tiny because the Origin client sucked. It was tolerable, but sucked. I would have no problem walking away from what's in there now and never purchasing anything from EA ever again. I don't understand why being excellent and awesome, and doing what your patrons want and expect is such a rare thing anymore.

 

I've had a gut full of this kind of crap, too. The kiddos are so worried about cheating they allow dictators to ruin things. Well, to hell with them. If I can't play their trash game with Driver Signature Enforcement disabled, they can stuff their cancer game feces up the tailpipe from whence it came. This reflects the morbid stupidity of the zombie sheeple in its finest form. This is where hacks, cracks and exploits can demonstrate real value.

 

 

I am not sure how long it is going to last, but that hack seems to have worked for now. The old Origin client is working again. The new crap app is installed, but not being used.

 

[ssj92]

Figured I’d ask y’all this with 13th-gen CPUs. 
 

so right now one of my p-cores hits 100c while the rest of the laptop cores are like high 80s to low 90s. 
 

AW uses “element 31” a mixture of liquid metal and paste on their cpu/gpu. 
 

i am thinking of removing it and using ptm7950 phase change pads which have given me good results in other laptops. 
 

my question is, will it fix it? I heard 13th gen has a issue with this and repasting won’t help. What are the core differentials y’all are seeing? 

[ryan]

id like to add the two games that spike my temps like furmark well cpu wise is just cause 3/4 and project cars 2, you could try benching those games to see how your cpu performs

[Etern4l]

52 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

Figured I’d ask y’all this with 13th-gen CPUs. 
 

so right now one of my p-cores hits 100c while the rest of the laptop cores are like high 80s to low 90s. 
 

AW uses “element 31” a mixture of liquid metal and paste on their cpu/gpu. 
 

i am thinking of removing it and using ptm7950 phase change pads which have given me good results in other laptops. 
 

my question is, will it fix it? I heard 13th gen has a issue with this and repasting won’t help. What are the core differentials y’all are seeing? 

 

My 13900K developed a simillar issue (first 2 then 3 100C "rogue cores") after months of heavy use. I suppose the difference is that the problem occurred suddenly after extended use, but the similarity is that I suspect it was caused by a mobo modification resulting in IHS bend and bad fit. Anyway, the problem got solved by delidding the CPU and replacing the IHS. The root cause is gigantic heat flux those CPUs push out, which necessitates a high performance cooling solution with perfect heatsink/IHS fit, and we all know what that looks like in laptops. I've used PTM7950, in fact I'm using it right now on the die, and it's working very well. I guess it might be worth very gently lapping the heatsink, if at all possible, in order to  improve the fit while avoiding a further reduction in heatsink pressure.

 

I'm relatively happy with the performance of the CPU now. It can handle 220W load at about 85C. This is with a 360 AIO modded with 6 120mm 3000 RPM 100cfm+ fans running at about 2000-2400 RPM at that load. Good luck on the laptop side bro... 

 

Google "13900K rogue core delid" for further info. 

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Happy Easter, everyone.

I did not find it for sale (yet) in the US. If you need my help getting one and sending it to you, I am happy to do that. Let me know which one you want to buy (link) in a PM and we can do it.

 

That 3-slot PCIe bracket that goes with that would be good for punching a couple of 20mm holes for G1/4 bulkhead passthrough fittings. 

I do not know if you are finding the same, but in my testing it seems like Windows 10 is getting slower than Windows 11. I am not sure if it is maliciously crafted drivers causing it or what, but even CPU performance tests that used to do better on Windows 10 versus Windows 11 are getting slower for me. I think the Redmond Reprobates are deliberately doing the same digital genocide tactics they used to sabotage Windows 7. In almost all benchmarks now LTSC 2019 and 2021 perform worse for me. By that I mean, worse than they used to, not worse compared to Windows 11. All of my scores using the older/better OSes seem to be going down, which smacks of nefarious intent and sabotage.

 

This is why you see Winduhz 11 in most of my benchmarks. Not because I like it. Quite the opposite. I hate it more than before because of this. It is repulsive, but the reason I have multi-boot systems is because benchmarks don't care what kind of nasty piece of crap the OS is. I am finding it harder to identify a benefit in benchmarks and starting to see evidence of handicap using a more desirable OS.

Thanks bro Fox. I will keep that in mind 🙂

1 hour ago, ssj92 said:

Figured I’d ask y’all this with 13th-gen CPUs. 
 

so right now one of my p-cores hits 100c while the rest of the laptop cores are like high 80s to low 90s. 
 

AW uses “element 31” a mixture of liquid metal and paste on their cpu/gpu. 
 

i am thinking of removing it and using ptm7950 phase change pads which have given me good results in other laptops. 
 

my question is, will it fix it? I heard 13th gen has a issue with this and repasting won’t help. What are the core differentials y’all are seeing? 

Already talked about this in my older post here. If you see most of the cores have higher temps than a couple who run a lot colder on 13th gen then you may can fix it with a re-paste. But Dell also this time rely on their fantastic feature TCC Offset. Give a huge thanks to Dell's main thermal engineer Travis North for making trash to cut costs.

 

 

Thermal and System Design with Travis North & Mark Gallina

Conctlution. Yet another Stupid move from Dell (3:15)....

 

Me, have the answers for all this....

[electrosoft]

 Savage rant but I do agree with a lot of what he says for the first time in a long time.

 

Really, so many times in hardware (and especially some coding groups/forums) I just giggle and go, "it's not that serious...."

 

Especially at 13:40 about us old school hardware enthusiasts....I will often just LOL while reading stuff and think to myself, "it is so not that serious...." 🤣

 

And the last bit before he signs off hits the nail on the head. 🙂

 

 

 

[ssj92]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Thanks bro Fox. I will keep that in mind 🙂

Already talked about this in my older post here. If you see most of the cores have higher temps than a couple who run a lot colder on 13th gen then you may can fix it with a re-paste. But Dell also this time rely on their fantastic feature TCC Offset. Give a huge thanks to Dell's main thermal engineer Travis North for making trash to cut costs.

 

 

Thermal and System Design with Travis North & Mark Gallina

Conctlution. Yet another Stupid move from Dell (3:15)....

 

Me, have the answers for all this....

Okay mine is the opposite, all cores run cool except 1 p-core. I’m gonna remove AW element 31” then and go with ptm7950. I don’t use tcc offset, my scores are already way higher than these other youtubers. Luckily tcc is optional. The cooling system is fine but same issue as last decade, the stock paste job is crap. 

gives me hope I can tame this 1 p-core then my cpu will run full speed 24/7 😎

[Mr. Fox]

  

8 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Battlefield 2042 is very demanding, so I wanted to demonstrate CPU wattage. This game is far more difficult to run than something like R23. 

 

I've owned it for a long time and never really played it. Played BF 2042 for a couple of hours today. Not so much as a hiccup running P 57X, E 46x, Cache 49x @ 1.350V VCore, memory at 8000 CL35-48-48-42 (my daily driver settings) totally stable in this game. Hitting maxes of 370W on the CPU and 425W on the GPU for 2 hours of solid gameplay. Not too shabby. No chiller, just my MORA keeping things in check.

 

[ryan]

odd question are any of you members of guru 3ds forums? I just joined. @Hertzian56 left for good reason but im afraid I have a hard time letting go of NBR. but its time. its basically a one thread show now. I guess feeding the bees vinegar was a bad idea and ultimately stupid. alot of rookie members have left due to negativity and personal attacks, but I guess it happens not a big deal. I was concerned when a member spent 4000 just to have a convo and he was immediately told why did you post a thread one exists. ignorant. but yeah im not going anywhere just yet but guru 3d seems more developed and a good alternative for when nbt dies.

[Reciever]

18 minutes ago, ryan said:

odd question are any of you members of guru 3ds forums? I just joined. @Hertzian56 left for good reason but im afraid I have a hard time letting go of NBR. but its time. its basically a one thread show now. I guess feeding the bees vinegar was a bad idea and ultimately stupid. alot of rookie members have left due to negativity and personal attacks, but I guess it happens not a big deal. I was concerned when a member spent 4000 just to have a convo and he was immediately told why did you post a thread one exists. ignorant. but yeah im not going anywhere just yet but guru 3d seems more developed and a good alternative for when nbt dies.

 

You break the rules in other forums you will get your hand slapped just like any other forum on the internet dude. Once again running to this thread to complain, its a perpetual cycle at this point.

 

Hertzian left because he wasnt able to post swastika's on the forum. If that is a good reason, hate to see what a bad reason looks like.

[tps3443]

Guys, why is my Unify-X running DDR5 8200? Is this even normal? 🤔

Same as before, no effort at all to boot with this, I just guessed with timings, I bumped them a little to hopefully compensate for the DDR5 8200.  I did not try C34 but it may work, I just assumed C36@8200 is right. I am unfamiliar with DDR5 overclocks so high like this. 🙃

The trace quality, and KS IMC quality is blowing my mind right now though. This is with auto SA, auto CPU IMC, auto CPU TX.
 

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

  

 

I've owned it for a long time and never really played it. Played BF 2042 for a couple of hours today. Not so much as a hiccup running P 57X, E 46x, Cache 49x @ 1.350V VCore, memory at 8000 CL35-48-48-42 (my daily driver settings) totally stable in this game. Hitting maxes of 370W on the CPU and 425W on the GPU for 2 hours of solid gameplay. Not too shabby. No chiller, just my MORA keeping things in check.

 

Man nice job!! And that CPU power is really awesomely high lol!!! You are -400Mhz P-Cores, -200Mhz E-Cores, and -200Mhz ring. But your max cpu power is about +100 watts extra. That’s really something. I think you’ll see some really nice improvements with a KS chip. Can’t wait to see the results.

 

Either way, I think your memory OC is good enough where core clocks don’t matter much. 

[Etern4l]

19 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 Savage rant but I do agree with a lot of what he says for the first time in a long time.

 

Really, so many times in hardware (and especially some coding groups/forums) I just giggle and go, "it's not that serious...."

 

Especially at 13:40 about us old school hardware enthusiasts....I will often just LOL while reading stuff and think to myself, "it is so not that serious...." 🤣

 

And the last bit before he signs off hits the nail on the head. 🙂

 

 

 

 

Just watched a few bits. Unfortunately, the guy immediately came across as a bit of a simpleton trying to start a flame war (apologies for any misrepresentation). Why pit gamers against HW enthusiasts? BTW Seriousness tends to be highly subjective, and not sure gaming is the best reference point for that.  Why would, say, reducing system temps by 2C be any less serious than levelling from level 457 to 458 in WoW, by way of a random example..  At least at the end of the day a better tuned PC can do more more (sometimes serious) work more quietly. The closing comment was just sad, I guess aimed at impressing 12 years old audience?