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On 12/25/2022 at 6:32 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Merry Christmas, everyone.

 

I think Brothers @johnksssand @Papusanwill appreciate this since they are multi-boot users like me and take advantage of using the best OS for the task at hand rather than defaulting to the use of one OS and living with whatever lackluster results doing so produces. One of the issues with booting an older OS like XP, Vista and Windows 7 is the difference in how Disk Checking works and they are constantly fighting with Windows 8.1, 10 and 11 over disk management and corrupting one another in the process. 

 

The fix in this article puts an end to that stupidity with a simple registry tweak that allows them to coexist in peace.  You simply do the tweak and reboot twice for the change to take effect.

 

Stop Disk Check From Running On Every Boot 

 

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\FileSystem]
"NtfsDisableLfsDowngrade"=dword:00000000
"NtfsDisableLfsUpgrade"=dword:00000001

  

 

Easier than that, bro.  https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts

 

Two PowerShell scripts you should become familiar with...

Admin PS C:\> irm https://massgrave.dev/get | iex
Admin PS C:\> iwr -useb https://christitus.com/win | iex

 

ScanDiskFix.reg 382 B · 3 downloads

Here's another one. Method 5: Disable Automatic Startup Repair

 

 

 

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So, DDR5 8000C34 is 100% stable on my air cooled ram Hynix A-Die sticks. I’m glad these sticks did not suck like many of the gamer boy RGB/XMP ram on the market today. This stuff cost hundreds of dollars and manufacturers are selling you the crap that doesn’t OC well. 
 

DDR5 8200c36 is not stable all the way. PC just restarts when playing BF2042. I’m going to try and stabilize it. Maybe I can add some more voltage or adjust timings. But this is a long shot here guys. Even DDR5 8000C34 is a TALL order on any Z690 motherboard lol. 
 

 

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5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 Savage rant but I do agree with a lot of what he says for the first time in a long time.

 

Really, so many times in hardware (and especially some coding groups/forums) I just giggle and go, "it's not that serious...."

 

Especially at 13:40 about us old school hardware enthusiasts....I will often just LOL while reading stuff and think to myself, "it is so not that serious...." 🤣

 

And the last bit before he signs off hits the nail on the head. 🙂

 

 

 

I'm a bit guilty of most of the things he says, the only thing being when others ask, "why is your hardware so old dude, isn't it slow?" My response is usually, it works pretty good for me, so it doesn't really matter lol.

My stance on just about everything is that things should be held to high standards. Want to sell a product and beat the competition? It better be the best possible thing. In general, I feel too many companies choose the cheap route of brute forcing their sub-par product to victory, which will never sit well with me. While most people don't care or won't be bothered by small things that are a bit goofy or could be better, I think it should be in everybody's best interest to nitpick and desire the best in order to see progression sooner rather than later.

I still don't really care for Jufes, but I understand where he is coming from on most of the points he makes.

Though, I think this clip is really funny. I almost fell out of my chair in laughter as he's the first one I've heard to point out the less than ideal conditions HUB (and many other reviewers) put the products they test through...

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxKpCy684ufbwR4t0zzz6B0aj5Zy-AMXuw

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5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Man nice job!! And that CPU power is really awesomely high lol!!! You are -400Mhz P-Cores, -200Mhz E-Cores, and -200Mhz ring. But your max cpu power is about +100 watts extra. That’s really something. I think you’ll see some really nice improvements with a KS chip. Can’t wait to see the results.

 

Either way, I think your memory OC is good enough where core clocks don’t matter much. 

Thank you. That was everything maxed out on graphics (Ultra preset). Incredibly smooth with the 4090 barely breaking a sweat. It is absolutely insane how the 4090 rips through everything like a hot knife through butter. I really need to look into an Elmor hardware tweak so I can give it more voltage. The 1.100V NVIDIA cap is an absolute joke. I bet this thing could run 3500-3800MHz on core with 1.350V.

 

I am not worried about power consumption. I consider it to be irrelevant and the higher it is generally goes hand-in-hand with higher performance because the CPU is unrestrained and allow to run wild and free. Striving for lower power draw usually adversely impacts performance. I do hope the KS allows me to overclock higher with lower voltage (for lower temperatures) but I probably won't even pay attention to power draw. Power and current limits are maxed out as a matter of default firmware settings. Essentially no power or current limit imposed. The CPU is allowed to use as much as it wants to. 

 

That being said, the higher voltage requirement demands higher power limits. It is unavoidable unless you want to have power and current limit throttling problems. If the KS is a good sample that uses lower voltage, the CPU will demand less in terms of power and current, but I will still leave the limits maxed out so there is no restraint on the CPU taking as much as it wants.

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

So, DDR5 8000C34 is 100% stable on my air cooled ram Hynix A-Die sticks. I’m glad these sticks did not suck like many of the gamer boy RGB/XMP ram on the market today. This stuff cost hundreds of dollars and manufacturers are selling you the crap that doesn’t OC well. 
 

DDR5 8200c36 is not stable all the way. PC just restarts when playing BF2042. I’m going to try and stabilize it. Maybe I can add some more voltage or adjust timings. But this is a long shot here guys. Even DDR5 8000C34 is a TALL order on any Z690 motherboard lol. 
 

 

You may need to give it more voltage. Here is a screenshot of the settings I use for DDR5-8200 on two different Z690 Dark BIOS versions. These are stable for everything except poorly coded games. It may not take much to make it stable. Start with SA at 1.350V. Then, if you need to, pump up the VDD and VDDQ a bit.

 

Don't be surprised if you can pass every memory test without error and find that some games are unstable. That doesn't mean the gaming is demanding as much as the game developer was sloppy with their coding. Many games are made to run well on a potato so that people with weak hardware can enjoy playing them. If a game requires powerful hardware that is going to limit profits for the game developer because there would be too many people that could not run it with their old or cheap PC hardware. Also consider how many games (unfortunately) are ported from consoles, or made to run on either platform at launch. The anemic performance capabilities of a game console really opens the playing field for owners of old and cheaply spec'd computers to play.

 

There are also lots of games that are poorly coded garbage that fall apart with extreme memory overclocking. The coding is too sloppy to handle speeds like that. I've seen it with CPU overclocking as well, and even high refresh rate monitors making some exceptionally buggy games crash.

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Here are some slightly looser timings that might work if those above are too tight. The read/write/copy and latency are just as good even though the timings are just a little bit looser.

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8200 stable at 125% coverage.

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@tps3443BF 2042 runs for a few minutes for me and then goes to a black screen at 8200 memory so I'm blaming it on the game not being able to cope with the memory overclocked that high.

 

So, 8000 for gaming is probably going to yield a more consistent experience than 8200.

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19 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks like there may be a hack. I'm going to give it a try. Glad to see there are lots of other people that think it sucks like I do.

 

https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports-Technical-Issues/How-do-I-bypass-the-EA-App-and-access-Origin-to-play-games/m-p/12305817#M21656

Looks like that got "fixed" by EA this evening and now some extra steps are necessary. The original thread (link above) got locked by a moderator.

 

New thread link: https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports-Technical-Issues/Origin-keeps-forcing-me-to-download-EA-app/m-p/12386803#M21803

 

Additional steps added:

 

New step due to EA's attempt to keep us from using the Origin client again.......

**Delete the files called "OriginThinSetupInternal.exe" which are located at (up to) THREE LOCATIONS...(so far)...

C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin
C:\ProgramData\Origin
C:\ProgramData\Origin\SelfUpdate\Staged

Start Origin and log into your Origin account.
There may be a little update notification about Origin. Always choose option to NOT update Origin. Should set that in settings also.

***

 

I just searched my system for every instance of "OriginThinSetupInternal.exe" and deleted all of them. I also found the offending cancer file lurking in the C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Local\Origin\ThinSetup\10.5.119.52718 and deleted it there as well. I also located a registry key making reference to the file at that path and deleted that key.

 

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More good news on the new ACE Z690 board:

* No more coil whine in AIDA64

* My SK Hynix M-Die is running super-stable at 5200@30-38-38-38-70 CR2 79GB/s transfer, 76ns latency - by far the fastest 128GB config I've seen posted

 

BTW AM5 users tend to reluctantly air punch once they get this running at 4800MHz:

 

 

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7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

8200 stable at 125% coverage.

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@tps3443BF 2042 runs for a few minutes for me and then goes to a black screen at 8200 memory so I'm blaming it on the game not being able to cope with the memory overclocked that high.

 

So, 8000 for gaming is probably going to yield a more consistent experience than 8200.

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Battlefield 2042 is a great memory stability test TBH. After I've done initial testing, stability, it's actually one of my go to games to test for stability. If it can pass a few evenings of BF2042, it's generally stable for daily. 

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6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks like that got "fixed" by EA this evening and now some extra steps are necessary. The original thread (link above) got locked by a moderator.

 

New thread link: https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports-Technical-Issues/Origin-keeps-forcing-me-to-download-EA-app/m-p/12386803#M21803

 

Additional steps added:

 

New step due to EA's attempt to keep us from using the Origin client again.......

**Delete the files called "OriginThinSetupInternal.exe" which are located at (up to) THREE LOCATIONS...(so far)...

C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin
C:\ProgramData\Origin
C:\ProgramData\Origin\SelfUpdate\Staged

Start Origin and log into your Origin account.
There may be a little update notification about Origin. Always choose option to NOT update Origin. Should set that in settings also.

***

 

I just searched my system for every instance of "OriginThinSetupInternal.exe" and deleted all of them. I also found the offending cancer file lurking in the C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Local\Origin\ThinSetup\10.5.119.52718 and deleted it there as well. I also located a registry key making reference to the file at that path and deleted that key.

 


I‘m having the exact same stuff happen with DDR5 8200, it runs. Battlefield 2042 for a little while, and then black screens. I’ve got DDR5 8000 stable though, I can run BF2042 for an unlimited amount of time with DDR5 8000c34. And my 8000 profile is sub 50ns latency with full tweaked timings. I’m so happy with this. Especially with a Unify-X. I’m calling this a livable overclock, for a few days at least until I’m chasing a dragon again. 🤣
 

DDR5 8200 benching and running lighter stuff is stable though. 
 

 

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12 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Battlefield 2042 is a great memory stability test TBH. After I've done initial testing, stability, it's actually one of my go to games to test for stability. If it can pass a few evenings of BF2042, it's generally stable for daily. 

 

12 hours ago, tps3443 said:


I‘m having the exact same stuff happen with DDR5 8200, it runs. Battlefield 2042 for a little while, and then black screens. I’ve got DDR5 8000 stable though, I can run BF2042 for an unlimited amount of time with DDR5 8000c34. And my 8000 profile is sub 50ns latency with full tweaked timings. I’m so happy with this. Especially with a Unify-X. I’m calling this a livable overclock, for a few days at least until I’m chasing a dragon again. 🤣
 

DDR5 8200 benching and running lighter stuff is stable though. 
 

 

Running the cache ratio at 50x, or higher if your CPU can handle it, does amazing things for memory latency. That might also contribute to game instability. If everything else stays exactly the same except the cache ratio is lowered, that might be enough to  make things smooth out. Might try that with BF2024 at 8200 memory with cache ratio like 46x or 48x and see what happens.


Anyone remember the dumb-dumbs a fews years ago saying having 8GB of VRAM on an MXM card was a silly gimmick and waste of money? I wonder how their "sensible" 4GB GPU laptop upgrades are working out for them now? How 'bout no? The "gimmick" isn't even good enough now, LOL.

 

This is a new video looking at old video cards, not an old video from the HU archive.

 

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30% more performance for $100 more. Great deal @electrosoft @Talon? And fake frames is the golden future and feature from Nvidia🙂 Maybe Nvidia could sell a feature upgrade pack (call it moment as Microsoft) for older graphics cards at half the price? Lets say DLSS4 for 100$ for 4000 series graphics cards. Or 50$ for 3000 series? Wouldn't that be nice? 🙂

 

NVIDIA claims GeForce RTX 4070 and RTX 3080 offer equal DLSS performance without Frame Generation videocardz.com

 

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Officially, the card is targeting gaming experience at 1440p with 100 FPS. What is important is that this number assumes ray tracing and DLSS3 are enabled. NVIDIA is now going big on using DLSS3 in their marketing. There is hardly any mention of performance claims without DLSS or raytracing.

 

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2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Running the cache ratio at 50x, or higher if your CPU can handle it, does amazing things for memory latency. That might also contribute to game instability. If everything else stayes exactly the same except the cache ratio is lowered, that might be enough to  make things smooth out. Might try that with BF2024 at 8200 memory with cache ratio like 46x or 48x and see what happens.


Anyone remember the dumb-dumbs a fews years ago saying having 8GB of VRAM on an MXM card was as silly gimmick and waste of money? I wonder how their "sensible" 4GB GPU laptop upgrades are working out for them now? How 'bout no? The "gimmick" isn't even good enough now, LOL.

 

This is a new video looking at old video cards, not an old video from the HU archive.

 

 

I remember distinctly on the old NBR forums talking about how much memory was being allocated/used early on with my 3090 and a few arguing it wouldn't be an issue and/or only focus on dynamic allocation....I was right again.

 

56 minutes ago, Papusan said:

30% more performance for $100 more. Great deal @electrosoft @Talon? And fake frames is the golden future and feature🙂 Maybe Nvidia could sell a feature upgrade pack (call it moment as Microsoft) for older graphics cards at half the price? Lets say DLSS4 for 100$ for 4000 series graphics cards. Or 50$ for 3000 series?

 

NVIDIA claims GeForce RTX 4070 and RTX 3080 offer equal DLSS performance without Frame Generation videocardz.com

 

NVIDIA-RTX4070-PERF-CLAIM-1-768x417.jpg

 

Officially, the card is targeting gaming experience at 1440p with 100 FPS. What is important is that this number assumes ray tracing and DLSS3 are enabled. NVIDIA is now going big on using DLSS3 in their marketing. There is hardly any mention of performance claims without DLSS or raytracing.

 

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Ugh....

 

The 4090 is such a shining star but I would argue the 4080 is also a good card but $1200 just makes it such a non starter for not being the flagship product of the cycle. Even calculating in inflation, it is severely overpriced.

 

Everything else just slots in raw performance wise close to previously released cards at much higher price tiers than last time even calculating inflation for most (I'm looking at you 4080 and 4070ti).

 

$499->$599 for the 4070 is slightly less punch in the face calculating inflation from 2020 to now and isn't that bad if that is the actual launch price and I'm ok with it on price alone. 4090 is the only one that calculating inflation is coming is less than the 3090 pricing still. Of course the argument there is the 3090 was already severely overpriced....

 

 

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1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

$499->$599 for the 4070 is slightly less punch in the face calculating inflation from 2020 to now and isn't that bad if that is the actual launch price and I'm ok with it on price alone.

Yep, the inflation is guilty for the 10% price hike. But what with the 30% performance increase over the 2 years old 3070? Within what to expect from a new smaller node and architecture? 

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1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Of course the argument there is the 3090 was already severely overpriced....

29 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, the inflation is guilty for the 10% price hike. But what with the 30% performance increase over the 2 years old 3070? Within what to expect from a new smaller node and architecture? 

I'd even go one step further and say it was severely overpriced; as a matter of fact. It opened Pandora's Box bank account and now we have released the kraken of unhinged stupidity on GPU pricing. And, to compound the problem, the general acceptance of it has allowed that cancer to metastasize and it is starting to show in ridiculous overpricing of other components. The inflation--a secondary problem--is just adding insult to injury. It would have been unacceptable without any inflation. We know what caused both problems, and "evil" and "stupid" are written all over both of them.

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My 13900KS SP104 is a crazy chip. My chiller got all the way up to 80F liquid because my breaker tripped some how, and stability was not phased at all during BF2042. So I turned my water temp up. The only thing getting warm is my memory!! It reached 42C with DDR5 8000c34 and it’s still stable. 🥳
 

This below average chip continues to surprise me. 
 

PS: Z790 Apex Revision A04 gets delivered to buyer in China tomorrow, then he’s gonna mail to me. From what I understand not one person has one of these A04’s in the US. Kind of strange Asus keeps these so limited.

 

I’m so happy with how stable my system is right now. Never been this happy. And now I’m

swapping motherboards 🤦‍♂️

 

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, and here I go again 🤪
 

 

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On 4/10/2023 at 4:23 PM, tps3443 said:

PS: Z790 Apex Revision A04 gets delivered to buyer in China tomorrow, then he’s gonna mail to me. From what I understand not one person has one of these A04’s in the US. Kind of strange Asus keeps these so limited.

The limited availability is deliberate. It's like everything else that is rigged. The easiest way to be a winner is to make sure your competitors don't have access to the same resources. That's kind of a way of life at HWBOT. The winners are carefully selected, and they're winners because they get the special free stuff, not because they're special people. If they make the special stuff available to everyone, their chosen winners are at risk of becoming chosen losers.

 

And, besides that, do we actually expect China to ever do the right thing about anything? Nope. I know I sure don't. We should play their game using our food and natural resources and see how that works out for them. (I'm absolutely serious. Not kidding.) Where we screwed up was sharing anything with them in the first place... information, technology, medical science, food, resources... our bad. Never should have, and we need to stop doing that. And, we need to stop purchasing anything they produce. When your adversaries have no food, no resources, and no money, they're no problem.


Here are 4090 Catzilla benches. And, of course all of the submissions I am competing against were run with ECC disabled. So, I will have to disable ECC and rerun them to have competitive scores. I really wish NVIDIA had not exposed the option to disable ECC and left it like all prior generations. I asked in the 3DMark rules thread if they are going to apply it to everything and delete all 3D graphics benchmarks on 40-series that have ECC disabled. Too stupid that a big deal was made of this. They've created a mess for themselves and I hope my question causes an ah-hah moment for them, LOL.

 

Same drill as 6900 XT... low resolution scores are missing a digit.

Catzilla 576: https://hwbot.org/submission/5248827_ | https://www.catzilla.com/showresult?lp=1160739|*|Result Details (Score 152047)
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Catzilla 720: https://hwbot.org/submission/5248825_ | https://www.catzilla.com/showresult?lp=1160737|*|Result Details (Score 151124)
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Catzilla 1080: https://hwbot.org/submission/5248819_ | https://www.catzilla.com/showresult?lp=1160735|*|Result Details (Score 127856)
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Catzilla 1440: https://hwbot.org/submission/5248818_ | https://www.catzilla.com/showresult?lp=1160733|*|Result Details
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Catzilla 2160: https://hwbot.org/submission/5248813_ | https://www.catzilla.com/showresult?lp=1160727|*|Result Details
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Man, that 4090 sure loves him some juice. Almost 700W, LOL. Nice power draw for only 1.100V. 

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broke 4000 not a bad little chip. it is alot faster than the i3 i had before/

 

also it looks like I have the 80cu version of iris Xe and scoring around 1000 in timespy is common and since its a locked cpu igpu, scores unfortunately will not go up much, all I can do is tweak windows/processes/apps/settings and now that thats done I gained 50 points not really worth the trouble but hey it was fun.

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Nvidia is stingy or/and greedy, LOOL

 

But 4070 won't be the worst card out from Nvidias factory. Nvidia still think 8GB vram is more than enough until you are forced to buy a new card end of next year. But huhh... You don't need rush out to buy the latest and greatest games that will come next summer/fall. Just play your old games😎And you save money on top👍 Can't beat being stingy, HaHa

 

AMD Goads Nvidia Over Stingy VRAM Ahead of RTX 4070 Launch Games are using more VRAM, and AMD suggests Nvidia isn't offering enough.

 

The real joke is still not released. 4060@8GB vram. I wonder what hardware Unboxed will say to a brand new 8GB low/ mid mainstream Nvidia graphics card in 2023. 

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17 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Nvidia is stingy or/and greedy, LOOL

 

But 4070 won't be the worst card out from Nvidias factory. Nvidia still think 8GB vram is more than enough until you are forced to buy a new card end of next year. But huhh... You don't need rush out to buy the latest and greatest games that will come next summer/fall. Just play your old games😎And you save money on top👍 Can't beat being stingy, HaHa

 

AMD Goads Nvidia Over Stingy VRAM Ahead of RTX 4070 Launch Games are using more VRAM, and AMD suggests Nvidia isn't offering enough.

 

The real joke is still not released. 4060@8GB vram. I wonder what hardware Unboxed will say to a brand new 8GB low/ mid mainstream Nvidia graphics card in 2023. 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 release date speculation

I dont have a fixed view of VRAM.

 

If you are entering PC Gaming for the first time then 8GB would suit most people "fine" if your just trying to dip your feet. Especially when CFX and SLI were in play, which of course arent in play anymore.

 

That all being said IIRC I saw 17GB of VRAM use in Sons of the Forest. One of our group was whining about the resource heavy nature of the game (which was mostly a fault of unity engine, but thats another rabbit hole) with his RTX 3060 only getting 30-40 FPS in a heavy forest area while snowing. A part of me was thinking it could also be VRAM, but its hard to tell since the game is Early Access / Beta. Most of the time I dont excuse games taking money in e beta state but the developer has been fairly consistent with weekly or bi-weekly updates with the prior title.

 

I have a few different cards, most of them are 8-10GB. Obviously I use my 3090 since its the heaviest hitter. I want to try to shunt mod it but will likely experiment with my K2200's first lol

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15 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I dont have a fixed view of VRAM.

 

If you are entering PC Gaming for the first time then 8GB would suit most people "fine" if your just trying to dip your feet. Especially when CFX and SLI were in play, which of course arent in play anymore.

 

That all being said IIRC I saw 17GB of VRAM use in Sons of the Forest. One of our group was whining about the resource heavy nature of the game (which was mostly a fault of unity engine, but thats another rabbit hole) with his RTX 3060 only getting 30-40 FPS in a heavy forest area while snowing. A part of me was thinking it could also be VRAM, but its hard to tell since the game is Early Access / Beta. Most of the time I dont excuse games taking money in e beta state but the developer has been fairly consistent with weekly or bi-weekly updates with the prior title.

 

I have a few different cards, most of them are 8-10GB. Obviously I use my 3090 since its the heaviest hitter. I want to try to shunt mod it but will likely experiment with my K2200's first lol

Avoid LM shunt mod, it can eat the solder really quickly, and if those shunt resistors are gone, it's really easy to kill the card.

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Avoid LM shunt mod, it can eat the solder really quickly, and if those shunt resistors are gone, it's really easy to kill the card.

Yeah, that is a no. You can use one of those silver trace circuit repair pens, or use a conductive paint (same concept as the pen). Or do it right and solder another resistor on top, or replace the resistor with one of different resistance. (Soldering is definitely the best way).

 

If you were only going to be testing briefly, you could probably tape a fine strip of aluminum foil down to bridge the resistor, but I would not trust that for more that some brief testing. If the tape came unstuck over time you could end up short circuiting something. 

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31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, that is a no. You can use one of those silver trace circuit repair pens, or use a conductive paint (same concept as the pen). Or do it right and solder another resistor on top, or replace the resistor with one of different resistance. (Soldering is definitely the best way).

 

If you were only going to be testing briefly, you could probably tape a fine strip of aluminum foil down to bridge the resistor, but I would not trust that for more that some brief testing. If the tape came unstuck over time you could end up short circuiting something. 

 

That would be my path forward, I have some K2200's that can give up the ghost for science 🙂

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