*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

6 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I was following this earlier and the initial recommendation is SOC = 1.25v but it looks like Asus is setting to 1.3v?

 

Either way, I set mine to 1.25v earlier and re-tested with TM5 and WMD and no problems but I only run my memory at 6000.

 

I won't upgrade or change my BIOS in the fears MSI was overzealous in their restrictions while I continue to tune my memory and then PBO.

 

 

From the comment section....

 

Will they now also lock down/limit SOC voltage for all Ryzen 7000 series chips?

[electrosoft]

20 minutes ago, Papusan said:

From the comment section....

 

Will they now also lock down/limit SOC voltage for all Ryzen 7000 series chips?

 

If they can find the transient or sustained peaks that are causing the issue this may be the new normal but if you want to FAFO it because you want to OC, I'd still stick with the most recent BIOS that isn't locked down but that is at your own risk.

 

I went back and checked my initial run and SOC = ~1.360 at its highest. Set to 1.25v = ~1.26v peak CB23 run. Scores remained the same. 7800X3D boosts to 4824 and remains there at ~80c so it is actually a better sample versus some I've seen out there with many boosting to ~4700 range only. This is with my EVGA CLC 360 using the AM4 mounting.  I'm not sure if 1usmus ever updated their programs to support AM5.

 

MSI has left all their BIOS files up so far for the Carbon x670e.

MSI (unlike Asus) once you lock in your RGB it still sticks to their MB.

 

I'm not too happy with my DDR5 temps with these heatsinks. I might seek out a better set that can handle 1.35v a bit better as TM5 run temps were creeping up on 50c.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

7 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

If they can find the transient or sustained peaks that are causing the issue this may be the new normal but if you want to FAFO it because you want to OC, I'd still stick with the most recent BIOS that isn't locked down but that is at your own risk.

It looks like AMD have know everything about the problem the whole time since launch of the 7000 series processors. Now they are forced to do something. Isn't that nice?🙂

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

Curious to see how far you can push them. Are they dual rank or single? I've got my Dual Rank setup at 7466 CL34 64gb of DDR5. I love it. 

What does the AIDA64 read/write/copy/latency look like on that 64GB DR 7466 kit look like?

[electrosoft]

4 minutes ago, Papusan said:

It looks like AMD have know everything about the problem the whole time since launch of the 7000 series processors. Now they are forced to do something. Isn't that nice?🙂

 

 

I'm trying to figure out why it would synchronize Vdimm, VDDIO MEM in tandem with vSOC? That means with EXPO (or setting your own Vmem) you are increasing SOC beyond what would be needed as a bug. Of course if you're the type that manually sets your own timings across the board including dialing in Vdimm, Vddio mem and vSOC you would never have to worry about this problem but imagine some faster and tighter memory kits that push >1.35v and SOC scaling up in tandem? Yikes....

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:

It looks like AMD have know everything about the problem the whole time since launch of the 7000 series processors. Now they are forced to do something. Isn't that nice?🙂

 

So, we need to add an emoji for AMD so that the kiddos will know what mindset is appropriate to process that information?

[Papusan]

46 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, we need to add an emoji for AMD so that the kiddos will know what mindset is appropriate to process that information?

Where is the fanboy emoji in this disaster? Put it middle down. Or just as plane text😎

 

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I went back and checked my initial run and SOC = ~1.360 at its highest. Set to 1.25v = ~1.26v peak CB23 run. Scores remained the same.

 

 

[Raiderman]

If anyone is interested in playing around with an AMD card, I will have a 6800XT for sale at the end of the week.

[Papusan]

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT price drops to $762, now 15% below MSRP

 

The RDNA3 GPU on slow path to reach $700 soon?

 

 

AMD refunding their AIC partners?😕 Where will the limit go? 

[johnksss]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I remember @johnksss had posted some of the earliest pictures of the dremel work needed to be done on the heatsink to make it work with 2000 series he performed on his own unit.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

I know this may not be the best place to ask, but I was reading the old P870TM-R thread on the archive, and heard that the vapor chamber needs to be modified to get the Turing cards to fit right. What exactly needs to be cut in order to get them to fit? I have a feeling that some of the VRAM plate needs to be dremelled away, but I might be entirely wrong. Does anyone have any pictures saved anywhere or remember the rough area that I would need to cut?

I would need to check, but i may still have a heatsink cut out sitting in my heat sink bin.

[electrosoft]

8 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

If anyone is interested in playing around with an AMD card, I will have a 6800XT for sale at the end of the week.

 

Oh snap....

 

.....Taichi time? 🙂

 

 

[Raiderman]

47 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Oh snap....

 

.....Taichi time? 🙂

 

 

Why aren't you on the Prema mod OC team? Yes Taichi time 😁

[tps3443]

These new 2x24GB sticks are really interesting. 😊 I like them! Such nice low voltage. 

[Etern4l]

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

These new 2x24GB sticks are really interesting. 😊 I like them! Such nice low voltage. 

 

What's the make/model? 

[johnksss]

First run trying 8200.... 

[Mr. Fox]

I haven't seen core temperatures this even across cores in a long time. Interesting. So far, I am really liking the IceMan block. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Off-topic, but useful tip. I finally had a gut full of the ASUS Aura trash motherboard headers that need sketchy gamer-wuss bloatware to function and installed my SATA-powered external controller. Now I simply press a button on a remote and it remains the same forever, or until I deliberately change it. None of the idiotic storing crap in NVRAM and constantly losing settings.

 

More relevant to others... a tip. You know how 3- and 4-pin lighting cables fit so sloppy and connections either come apart when you breathe on them, or one of the pins gets a weak connection and causes the color to be off on one or more devices? In the past I wrapped them with electrical tape. That worked OK, but eventually the tape would allow the connectors to slip, especially if you are disturbing things. Then you have to figure out which one it is and retape it. Then you get the gummy adhesive mess from the electrical tape.

 

Well, the solution hit me. HOT GLUE. Works perfectly. It's strong enough, but can be peeled off in a chunk later if you need to change something. It also works to keep cables/wires bundled together where using a zip-tie or Velcro isn't necessarily ideal, or you want to tack a wire in a spot to keep it from moving, but have no way to pin it in place because there is nothing to attach it to but a solid flat surface. Just clean the surface with alcohol, and pin it where you want it with a dob or two of hot glue.

 

[Ashtrix]

On 4/20/2023 at 7:07 PM, Ashtrix said:

 

I guess the time has come sadly. Yest it got shutdown on iGPU, SG mode. I disabled the Nvidia GPU too from Device Manager. Maybe one last test is to remove MXM and see....

 

@Vasudev, I did not update the machine to any new Microcode, the BIOS is also old A14+ unfortunate that your Echo is failing too. Yea I agree there's not much on the BGA land now, however I checked most of the BGA laptops and some videos yesterday.

 

Perhaps there's some VRM component failure or PCH related issue I don't know if CPU failure can cause such things too.., cannot be sure at all hard to find out.

 

Now I'm just thinking about 3 options of new machine - Clevo X170 KM with a lot of baggage attached.., 1/2 BGA Precision 7720 Refurbished for cheap. A BGA Lenovo Legion 7i 2022.

 

Unfortunate.

 

Update. Some good news on AW17 R1 Ranger.

 

I removed the MXM altogether and ran the machine for 24Hrs+ and yest night I did not shut the PC and kept it powered on. So no shutdown or powercut or throttling. It went on, downloading p2p for whole night. Still did not shut down and kept it running, now going to see for next 24hours.

 

If that is the case going forward then - I think it's MXM GPU failing in requesting power draw through MXM PCIe slot ? Is that possible, because irrespective of Power draw it fails, like starting a Heaven Bench does not cause it to shut down immediately nor playing Dota2 can cause, but rather can occur anytime on idle or downloading something or watching movie, and even happens if the GPU is not used but just connected to MXM slot itself on SG Mode using IGPU only. So I suspect there's some electronic failure on the MXM VRMs over the time which causes it to fail, any ideas..?

 

I think brother @Tenoroon's generous offer would help me in testing it out for one final test, to use his 860M and check if it's the MXM Slot or 980M MXM GPU. And if it's MXM GPU, then I'll be very happy as no mobo replacement required and can just try to get either Dell Quadro P5000 or HP Quadro P5200 MXM as replacement.

 

On an another note, finally the Cablemod order is complete and got the email for FedEx it is right now in China.

[Talon]

19 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

What does the AIDA64 read/write/copy/latency look like on that 64GB DR 7466 kit look like?

 

I am not at home right now to check but I think it was lower than my 8000 CL36 SR setup but not by much. I think I was around 117K across the board and latency was around 52ns. Oddly enough gaming performance was the same or better in some cases, I expect due to dual ranks. But I wanted a 64gb setup so for me the tradeoff was worth it. I grabbed the G.Skill 6000 CL30s and they are rockstars. They do that 7466 CL34 at just 1.45v VDD/VDDQ on the Apex board. Obviously A-Dies. I'm sure they can go further with proper voltage and cooling, but cooling dual ranks is definitely more difficult. Need water IMO. 

 

https://www.microcenter.com/product/651260/gskill-trident-z5-rgb-series-64gb-(2-x-32gb)-ddr5-6000-pc5-48000-cl30-dual-channel-desktop-memory-kit-f5-6000j3040g32gx2-tz5rk-black

 

For the price, they provide me with a similar experience with double the memory capacity so it was a no brainer over the $300 8000 kits. 

[tps3443]

30 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

I am not at home right now to check but I think it was lower than my 8000 CL36 SR setup but not by much. I think I was around 117K across the board and latency was around 52ns. Oddly enough gaming performance was the same or better in some cases, I expect due to dual ranks. But I wanted a 64gb setup so for me the tradeoff was worth it. I grabbed the G.Skill 6000 CL30s and they are rockstars. They do that 7466 CL34 at just 1.45v VDD/VDDQ on the Apex board. Obviously A-Dies. I'm sure they can go further with proper voltage and cooling, but cooling dual ranks is definitely more difficult. Need water IMO. 

 

https://www.microcenter.com/product/651260/gskill-trident-z5-rgb-series-64gb-(2-x-32gb)-ddr5-6000-pc5-48000-cl30-dual-channel-desktop-memory-kit-f5-6000j3040g32gx2-tz5rk-black

 

For the price, they provide me with a similar experience with double the memory capacity so it was a no brainer over the $300 8000 kits. 

I’m curious how these would perform. These are 6400c32 with 1.35V and freaking 96GB. What are your thoughts, besides the $469 price tag lol.

 

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-96gb/p/N82E16820374464?Item=N82E16820374464&Description=96GB DDR5&cm_re=96GB_DDR5-_-20-374-464-_-Product

[Talon]

11 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m curious how these would perform. These are 6400c32 with 1.35V and freaking 96GB. What are your thoughts, besides the $469 price tag lol.

 

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-96gb/p/N82E16820374464?Item=N82E16820374464&Description=96GB DDR5&cm_re=96GB_DDR5-_-20-374-464-_-Product

 

They look amazing. Good thing with GSkills is you can verify A-Die without opening the box. 96gb in 2 sticks is just wild. I assume they have to also be DR setup. Could definitely be fun to play with. Just a year ago or so they were scalping us so hard for $400+ 32gb kits. Now were getting 96gb. Won't need memory anytime soon with that kit. 

[Etern4l]

46 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m curious how these would perform. These are 6400c32 with 1.35V and freaking 96GB. What are your thoughts, besides the $469 price tag lol.

 

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-96gb/p/N82E16820374464?Item=N82E16820374464&Description=96GB DDR5&cm_re=96GB_DDR5-_-20-374-464-_-Product

 

Ha, so they are on Newegg. A few days ago there weren't even on G.Skill website. I would prefer to try those over Corsair Vengeance, but how just long would the wait until they make it to the sunlit uplands....

 

BTW the site has really been lagging lately.

[tps3443]

17 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

They look amazing. Good thing with GSkills is you can verify A-Die without opening the box. 96gb in 2 sticks is just wild. I assume they have to also be DR setup. Could definitely be fun to play with. Just a year ago or so they were scalping us so hard for $400+ 32gb kits. Now were getting 96gb. Won't need memory anytime soon with that kit. 

I know these are insane man. Let me tell you, if they perform anything like my 2x24GB kit I bet they are even more impressive. My 7200 kit runs exactly like the $420 dollar 8000 kit even with same voltages/timings, and they run like 33C on air in games. The feel and overclock it just totally different compared to how traditional 2x16GB sticks perform and feel. I can’t really explain it. I guess the best words would be easy and awesome lol. Having 48GB and 96GB as new upcoming standards is really cool. 

17 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Ha, so they are on Newegg. A few days ago there weren't even on G.Skill website. I would prefer to try those over Corsair Vengeance, but how just long would the wait until they make it to the sunlit uplands be....

I wouldn’t trust buying anny 48GB/96GB kits from Corsair unless you could confirm it’s new Hynix A-Die. Corsair sells DDR5 7000 sticks that are Micron IC’s and they overclock very very poorly. These new Hynix 3rd gen IC’s are amazing whether you’re on AMD or Intel there is an option. I know if I was on AMD I’d be running those G.Skill 96 giggers 100%. I do still want to try them already as it is 😭 but they are really expensive. I guess if you look at what you’re getting it’s not that bad. Extremely fast low latency dual rank and 96GB DDR5, it’s not that bad for $470. 

[Etern4l]

7 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I wouldn’t trust buying anny 48GB/96GB kits from Corsair unless you could confirm it’s new Hynix A-Die. Corsair sells DDR5 7000 sticks that are Micron IC’s and they overclock very very poorly. These new Hynix 3rd gen IC’s are amazing whether you’re on AMD or Intel there is an option. I know if I was on AMD I’d be running those G.Skill 96 giggers 100%. I do still want to try them already as it is 😭 but they are really expensive. I guess if you look at what you’re getting it’s not that bad. Extremely fast low latency dual rank and 96GB DDR5, it’s not that bad for $470. 

 

The new 48/96GB 5600/5200 kits from Corsair are confirmed to be Micron. The main reason for anyone to consider getting them is they are significantly cheaper than G.Skill, and if you someone is looking to use 4 sticks, then the current IMCs are unlikely to support more than 5200 clock. The question is: will they run on tighter timings, and my worry is that they won't.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

The new 48/96GB 5600/5200 kits from Corsair are confirmed to be Micron. The main reason for anyone to consider getting them is they are significantly cheaper than G.Skill, and if you someone is looking to use 4 sticks, then the current IMCs are unlikely to support more than 5200 clock. The question is: will they run on tighter timings, and my worry is that they won't.

No, they won't. They are not capable of running any higher than about 6000 max. Micron DDR5 is trash if you care about overclocking. They are dependable, just slow and resistant to overclocking. Totally fine for servers or business machines that run stock. Probably also good enough for push-button gamer-boys that care more about rainbow puke than performance.