johnksss Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Sadly, that seems to be a universal truth for PC tech in the 21st century. All of the OEMs/ODMs suck now. Lack of regard for customer experience, an absence of pride in the products they sell, lackluster QC and technical incompetence seem to be status quo now. The goal is to get our money and getting what we pay for isn't high on their list of priorities. Their lists seem to be limited to: Charge as much as people are stupid enough to pay Get the money, and say what you need to accomplish that Lie to whatever extent it is necessary to keep the money Deny any and all liability for mistakes, errors and omissions Make excuses to the extent necessary to shirk responsibility Make warranty fulfillment as slow, difficult and painful as possible After calling them back they and said the board wasn't fixed, they issued a second rma and paid for return shipping. they are issuing me a "new board to me". Not sure how long that is going to take though. The 1600W Super Nova rma was issued on a Wednesday night. Shipped out Thursday morning, they received it Friday morning and shipped new psu Friday morning and I got that on Saturday. Talk about fast return! The Kingpin was the same way, but took 1 day longer in the process. 1 3 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted April 8, 2022 Author Share Posted April 8, 2022 4 hours ago, johnksss said: After calling them back they and said the board wasn't fixed, they issued a second rma and paid for return shipping. they are issuing me a "new board to me". Not sure how long that is going to take though. The 1600W Super Nova rma was issued on a Wednesday night. Shipped out Thursday morning, they received it Friday morning and shipped new psu Friday morning and I got that on Saturday. Talk about fast return! The Kingpin was the same way, but took 1 day longer in the process. Nobody seems to hold a candle to EVGA on warranty service. They are really good. I am very happy to hear that MSI is owning their mistake and trying to make up for the demonstration of incompetence. It takes a while to win back confidence after something like that happens. If it happens more than once, chances are good that there won't be any second second-chances. 1 3 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said: Nobody seems to hold a candle to EVGA on warranty service. They are really good. I am very happy to hear that MSI is owning their mistake and trying to make up for the demonstration of incompetence. It takes a while to win back confidence after something like that happens. If it happens more than once, chances are good that there won't be any second second-chances. That does seem to hold pretty true. So am I as. I did not power that board on either. (I did not want to take any chances with my new parts.) I would have been far more upset if they tried to decline the return, but it was pretty painless. Still a serious inconvenience though, as they do not have cross shipping nor advanced RMA. 1 1 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Nobody seems to hold a candle to EVGA on warranty service. They are really good. I am very happy to hear that MSI is owning their mistake and trying to make up for the demonstration of incompetence. It takes a while to win back confidence after something like that happens. If it happens more than once, chances are good that there won't be any second second-chances. 1 hour ago, johnksss said: That does seem to hold pretty true. So am I as. I did not power that board on either. (I did not want to take any chances with my new parts.) I would have been far more upset if they tried to decline the return, but it was pretty painless. Still a serious inconvenience though, as they do not have cross shipping nor advanced RMA. The way EVGA handled my GTX 280 RMA process way back in the day is what pushed me over as being my first choice with all things being equal. The way they handled my Z390 FTW motherboard failure (courtesy of the Corsair H1200 PSU recall debacle) just solidified it. 3 Electrosoft Alpha: SP109 14900KS 59/46/50 | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Ventus 3x 4070 Super| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Ellectrosoft Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: The PrimoChill Praxis Wetbench is my favorite because it has all of the features of a case with no walls to get in the way. I have an aluminum frame open bench that has been sitting in my closet unused for a long time. If you are interested in that, let me know and I will post some pictures for you to see what it looks like. It was very convenient for binning CPUs. Very compact. If you are not planning to run a bunch of SATA drives (it will accommodate a couple) it is a nice setup. I like the idea of a Linux-centered leaderboard like HWBOT. I am not sure how much back-end work that would require. I don't have sufficient free time to figure it out, but I would certainly submit benchmarks. Just out of curiosity do you have a couple of pictures of it naked? More so need some creative starting point for my project. Also I think i should have been more specific in my inquiry. I have a table top that is currently 2 tiered. The table top obviously and its second surface is about 3 inches from the ground. I plan to use the space between to load up the 5+ GPU's for mining which is about 2 feet in height, and wide enough for my 5820x to lay flat. I do have about 10 drives I plan to connect via SATA but what I was thinking was creating a separate semi enclosed space on the top surface maybe with ABS sheet plastic. I also intend to keep the DPS-1200FB's separate as well so as to prevent them from being exposed from unnecessary heat. It will be akin to how those podium type systems from yore I am curious to if there are are sites out there for buying parts that facilitate these kinds of endeavors. Things like motherboard stand offs, PCIE brackets? As for the Linux oriented HWBOT, we can worry about the backend portion later, for now I would focus on the things that can be handled like proof submissions, system requirements and things of that nature Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 I saw @Falkentyne posted this over on the OC forums for testing 12900ks chips. See how your 12900k fairs too: "Set your chip to the following: 5.4 ghz sync all cores (P cores: 5.4 ghz), E cores 4.0 ghz, Ring: 4.0 ghz Actual VRM Core Voltage: 1.42v (Bios set). LLC: Level 6 (I'm assuming you have an Asus board). Run Cinebench R23 10 times loop. If it passes, run R15 10 times in a row as fast as possible. If your chip passes, you have an above average chip that had a lower than expected SP rating that performs better than indicated, and then you can see if you can lower the vcore even more." I gave it a whirl on my SP91 12900k (P102 / E69) for shiggles and instant crash. 🙂 See how yours makes out.... LLC6 Asus = LLC3 MSI? 1 Electrosoft Alpha: SP109 14900KS 59/46/50 | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Ventus 3x 4070 Super| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Ellectrosoft Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 17 hours ago, Reciever said: Just out of curiosity do you have a couple of pictures of it naked? More so need some creative starting point for my project. Also I think i should have been more specific in my inquiry. I have a table top that is currently 2 tiered. The table top obviously and its second surface is about 3 inches from the ground. I plan to use the space between to load up the 5+ GPU's for mining which is about 2 feet in height, and wide enough for my 5820x to lay flat. I do have about 10 drives I plan to connect via SATA but what I was thinking was creating a separate semi enclosed space on the top surface maybe with ABS sheet plastic. I also intend to keep the DPS-1200FB's separate as well so as to prevent them from being exposed from unnecessary heat. It will be akin to how those podium type systems from yore I am curious to if there are are sites out there for buying parts that facilitate these kinds of endeavors. Things like motherboard stand offs, PCIE brackets? As for the Linux oriented HWBOT, we can worry about the backend portion later, for now I would focus on the things that can be handled like proof submissions, system requirements and things of that nature Here is an assortment of naked and build pictures. You can buy the raw materials on Amazon. It is like building with an Erector Set. This stuff is often used for building 3D printers, CNC machines, etc. You can orient the motherboard horizontal, vertical, upside down, sideways, whatever you want. Pieces fit together with brackets that slide inside of tracks in the square extruded aluminum bars, held in place with Phillips and Allen-head set screws. 4 2 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 23 hours ago, electrosoft said: LLC6 Asus = LLC3 MSI? That seems about right. It appears they work in opposite directions. I tried Google-search to figure out how MSI did it and ended up figuring it out through trial and error. I like the EVGA way better. No silly nomenclature that leaves things open to guessing. I think +75/+50/+25/0/-25/-50/-75 makes a whole helluva lot more sense. Random observation: I created a TVB 5.7GHz profile as demonstrated by Skatterbencher. Voltage was high for my CPU. I was able to use considerably less voltage than his video demonstrated. However, performance is not as good as my daily-driver 52x all p-core core, 42x all e-core and 46x cache configuration except in single-threaded applications. Multi-threaded benchmark scores are lower. There are not very many workload scenarios where I actually witnessed it boosting to 5.7GHz. It seems I don't do much that is single thread workload. I went back to my own all-core mode, as I like that a lot better. Better performance, less voltage and lower temperatures using my way. It did seem to boot to the desktop faster, but that never has been important to me except when boot-time is freakishly long and I have to sit there staring at the screen and wondering how much longer. 2 3 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/aida64-hints-intels-return-to-hedt-market-with-alder-lake-x HEDT soon? 5 Spoiler The Beast Asus Z790 APEX | Intel i9 13900K | ASUS RTX 4090 Strix OC | 64gb DDR5 7466 CL34 Dual Rank A-Dies | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | Innocn 4K 160Hz Mini LED HDR1000 | LG 27GN950-B 4K 160Hz | Corsair 170i Elite LCD 420mm AIO | Corsair 7000D | EVGA 1600w T2 Little Beast EVGA Z690 DARK | Intel i9 13900K | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 SK Hynix DDR5 8000 CL36 A-Dies | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | LG OLED C1 4K 120Hz G-Sync/FreeSync | Alienware AW2721D 1440p 240Hz G-Sync Ultimate | Corsair 115i Elite 280mm AIO | Lian Li 011 Dynamic | EVGA 1000w P6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 58 minutes ago, Talon said: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/aida64-hints-intels-return-to-hedt-market-with-alder-lake-x HEDT soon? I saw that in the release notes when AIDA64 auto-updated earlier today and wondered the same. WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Soooooooo, I have a KS sitting at Microcenter, but now back to having to get an Asus board to see what it is. Have they fixed the SP rating on the KS chips or is it still up in the air? 1 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 54 minutes ago, johnksss said: Soooooooo, I have a KS sitting at Microcenter, but now back to having to get an Asus board to see what it is. Have they fixed the SP rating on the KS chips or is it still up in the air? Using a KS right now. I picked it up this morning after getting home from a few days in Phoenix. I didn't get a great chip, SP88 on latest BIOS. 😐 It's better than my SP92 K but not by much from initial testing. I need better cooling though. I can run 5Ghz P cores and 4Ghz E cores synced (yes underclocked) at -100mV and that puts me around 1.066v load and draws 183w Package for around 28.4K CB23. Where this chip looks to shine for me is the IMC. I can boot 7000Mhz CL32 on my Hero board. Previously I topped at 6600Mhz. Now I can run 6800Mhz stable it seems which is crazy for a 4 dimm board. So the IMC does seem to be improved. That said I am likely going back in the morning to grab a different sample. I will keep the best one and return the other. SP88 is already low tier from what I've seen, but K and KS SP scores cannot be compared directly at all. 5 1 Spoiler The Beast Asus Z790 APEX | Intel i9 13900K | ASUS RTX 4090 Strix OC | 64gb DDR5 7466 CL34 Dual Rank A-Dies | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | Innocn 4K 160Hz Mini LED HDR1000 | LG 27GN950-B 4K 160Hz | Corsair 170i Elite LCD 420mm AIO | Corsair 7000D | EVGA 1600w T2 Little Beast EVGA Z690 DARK | Intel i9 13900K | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 SK Hynix DDR5 8000 CL36 A-Dies | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | LG OLED C1 4K 120Hz G-Sync/FreeSync | Alienware AW2721D 1440p 240Hz G-Sync Ultimate | Corsair 115i Elite 280mm AIO | Lian Li 011 Dynamic | EVGA 1000w P6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, Talon said: Using a KS right now. I picked it up this morning after getting home from a few days in Phoenix. I didn't get a great chip, SP88 on latest BIOS. 😐 It's better than my SP92 K but not by much from initial testing. I need better cooling though. I can run 5Ghz P cores and 4Ghz E cores synced (yes underclocked) at -100mV and that puts me around 1.066v load and draws 183w Package for around 28.4K CB23. Where this chip looks to shine for me is the IMC. I can boot 7000Mhz CL32 on my Hero board. Previously I topped at 6600Mhz. Now I can run 6800Mhz stable it seems which is crazy for a 4 dimm board. So the IMC does seem to be improved. That said I am likely going back in the morning to grab a different sample. I will keep the best one and return the other. SP88 is already low tier from what I've seen. Hummm, so that means I would need to get a hero board and ditch this Unify until my Unify-X comes back from MSI RMA. Also to see if it reads my SP98 chip lower/the same or higher. And for the time being I need a higher stable memory board to at least keep up. I might be stuck if I get a really good KS.🤦♂️ 2 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 44 minutes ago, johnksss said: Hummm, so that means I would need to get a hero board and ditch this Unify until my Unify-X comes back from MSI RMA. Also to see if it reads my SP98 chip lower/the same or higher. And for the time being I need a higher stable memory board to at least keep up. I might be stuck if I get a really good KS.🤦♂️ Sorry to hear about your Unify-X. I would not expect same memory tuning that you are getting with that Unify-X though. The 2-dimm boards are king. I wish I had one with this chip now though. I should easily be able to push 7000+ Mhz. 1 Spoiler The Beast Asus Z790 APEX | Intel i9 13900K | ASUS RTX 4090 Strix OC | 64gb DDR5 7466 CL34 Dual Rank A-Dies | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | Innocn 4K 160Hz Mini LED HDR1000 | LG 27GN950-B 4K 160Hz | Corsair 170i Elite LCD 420mm AIO | Corsair 7000D | EVGA 1600w T2 Little Beast EVGA Z690 DARK | Intel i9 13900K | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 SK Hynix DDR5 8000 CL36 A-Dies | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | LG OLED C1 4K 120Hz G-Sync/FreeSync | Alienware AW2721D 1440p 240Hz G-Sync Ultimate | Corsair 115i Elite 280mm AIO | Lian Li 011 Dynamic | EVGA 1000w P6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Talon said: Sorry to hear about your Unify-X. I would not expect same memory tuning that you are getting with that Unify-X though. The 2-dimm boards are king. I wish I had one with this chip now though. I should easily be able to push 7000+ Mhz. Thanks. It's just going to be a waiting game on that. And you are totally right. the 2 dimm boards are king in memory over clocking right now. 1 1 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Talon said: Using a KS right now. I picked it up this morning after getting home from a few days in Phoenix. I didn't get a great chip, SP88 on latest BIOS. 😐 It's better than my SP92 K but not by much from initial testing. I need better cooling though. I can run 5Ghz P cores and 4Ghz E cores synced (yes underclocked) at -100mV and that puts me around 1.066v load and draws 183w Package for around 28.4K CB23. Where this chip looks to shine for me is the IMC. I can boot 7000Mhz CL32 on my Hero board. Previously I topped at 6600Mhz. Now I can run 6800Mhz stable it seems which is crazy for a 4 dimm board. So the IMC does seem to be improved. That said I am likely going back in the morning to grab a different sample. I will keep the best one and return the other. SP88 is already low tier from what I've seen, but K and KS SP scores cannot be compared directly at all. Did you try running the KS test parameters I posted from the OC forums from @Falkentyne to see where your chip stacks up? Like I said, I ran it on my 12900k SP91 for shiggles and it error'd right out of CB23. 😁 Looking at Buildzoid's statistical data it looks like you did get a slightly below average KS as the average from 183 samples was SP90 (P98/E76) but a hardline test is to give Falk's parameters a try. 1 1 Electrosoft Alpha: SP109 14900KS 59/46/50 | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Ventus 3x 4070 Super| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Ellectrosoft Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 3 hours ago, johnksss said: Soooooooo, I have a KS sitting at Microcenter, but now back to having to get an Asus board to see what it is. Have they fixed the SP rating on the KS chips or is it still up in the air? Asus BIOS 1403 is KS compliant but there isn't a way to directly compare SP scores between K and KS so far. In the end, run some baseline tests and see what ya got. 1 Electrosoft Alpha: SP109 14900KS 59/46/50 | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Ventus 3x 4070 Super| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Ellectrosoft Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted April 10, 2022 Author Share Posted April 10, 2022 I finally pulled off the crappy (and ugly) T-Force heat sinks and replaced them with the RAM jackets and finned heat sink that I had on my GSKILL DDR4. I was getting errors in TM5 due to overheating right near the end of the test run and now no errors and 12°C cooler. I am also glad that the RGB puke rainbow is gone with the LEDs hidden under the heat sinks now. I never have cared much for RGB memory... chintzy gimmick that requires bloatware filth to control. Thanks, but no thanks. I honestly don't know how memory manufacturers think they are doing us a favor by slapping thin aluminum sheets with an adhesive foam "blanket" to snuggle the ICs in their own heat. The stock ones are never much good, but they'd probably be good enough to leave alone if they actually used good thermal pads instead of that adhesive foam rubber crap to trap heat. It also makes them a real pain in the butt to remove from the modules. They make them so difficult to remove, maybe they are scared someone might discover a memory module hiding under the tacky dress. 3 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 @Mr. Fox Doesnt RGB add heat ? Or am I thinking of cold cathode? Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Frame Chasers comparing a 12900ks (P cores only) versus his godbin 12900k SP102 (P113) and 12900k SP86 (P96). It does seem to show, yet again, the SP scores aren't equal KS vs K and you will need to weight the KS score by +8-10. 5 1 Electrosoft Alpha: SP109 14900KS 59/46/50 | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Ventus 3x 4070 Super| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Ellectrosoft Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said: I finally pulled off the crappy (and ugly) T-Force heat sinks and replaced them with the RAM jackets and finned heat sink that I had on my GSKILL DDR4. I was getting errors in TM5 due to overheating right near the end of the test run and now no errors and 12°C cooler. I am also glad that the RGB puke rainbow is gone with the LEDs hidden under the heat sinks now. I never have cared much for RGB memory... chintzy gimmick that requires bloatware filth to control. Thanks, but no thanks. I honestly don't know how memory manufacturers think they are doing us a favor by slapping thin aluminum sheets with an adhesive foam "blanket" to snuggle the ICs in their own heat. The stock ones are never much good, but they'd probably be good enough to leave alone if they actually used good thermal pads instead of that adhesive foam rubber crap to trap heat. It also makes them a real pain in the butt to remove from the modules. They make them so difficult to remove, maybe they are scared someone might discover a memory module hiding under the tacky dress. I usually target the non RGB variants. On the other hand, when I swapped the wife from 2x8GB white RGB'esque "pretty sticks" that were running @ 3200 18-22-22 to a pair of 2x8GB G.Skill jet black sticks running @ 4000 C14-14-14 all she had to say was, "They don't match and where's the lights?" Clearly there is a market for RGB color face blast.... My major gripe is still the software. Basic lighting control software that somehow needs to be bloated, intrusive and data collection enabled......right.... 2 Electrosoft Alpha: SP109 14900KS 59/46/50 | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Ventus 3x 4070 Super| AC LF II 420 | TG 2x24GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Ellectrosoft Beta: Eurocom X15 Raptor | i9-12900k | Nvidia RTX 3070ti | HyperX 3200 CL20 32GB | Samsung 990 2TB | 15.6" 144hz | Wifi 6E Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 testing again... Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Best run so far. Had to snag that crown back. 2 1 Spoiler The Beast Asus Z790 APEX | Intel i9 13900K | ASUS RTX 4090 Strix OC | 64gb DDR5 7466 CL34 Dual Rank A-Dies | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | Innocn 4K 160Hz Mini LED HDR1000 | LG 27GN950-B 4K 160Hz | Corsair 170i Elite LCD 420mm AIO | Corsair 7000D | EVGA 1600w T2 Little Beast EVGA Z690 DARK | Intel i9 13900K | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 SK Hynix DDR5 8000 CL36 A-Dies | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | LG OLED C1 4K 120Hz G-Sync/FreeSync | Alienware AW2721D 1440p 240Hz G-Sync Ultimate | Corsair 115i Elite 280mm AIO | Lian Li 011 Dynamic | EVGA 1000w P6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted April 10, 2022 Author Share Posted April 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, Talon said: Best run so far. Had to snag that crown back. Nice score, and that KS seems like a good sample to me. If CPU-Z is not bugged because of the new CPU 1.225V for 56x all P-core is really good. Is that where you have the BIOS set for voltage, or is it 56x on a couple of cores? Don't have to worry about me taking that crown from you. My 3090 KPE can't seem to hold more than about 2175 under load even on chilled water, so I am unable to even hit 16K. I may pull the block off and replace the KPX with liquid metal and see if that helps (keeping the core colder). 1 1 WRAITH // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO (T-Rex) BANSHEE // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 (Rhinoceros) SPECTRE // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 (Rattlesnake) HALF-BREED // Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth | 32GB DDR4 | Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Nothing to Write Home About (Turdbook) Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnksss Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 2 hours ago, electrosoft said: Asus BIOS 1403 is KS compliant but there isn't a way to directly compare SP scores between K and KS so far. In the end, run some baseline tests and see what ya got. 1 hour ago, electrosoft said: Frame Chasers comparing a 12900ks (P cores only) versus his godbin 12900k SP102 (P113) and 12900k SP86 (P96). It does seem to show, yet again, the SP scores aren't equal KS vs K and you will need to weight the KS score by +8-10. Okay, I had it running at 4.9 Ghz for some reason, but I guess that did not matter as it's still the same running at 5.1 Ghz I must be doing it wrong..... Edit: When chip is colder it reads SP99 113/72 1 Maximus Z890 Apex ~ 265K ~ MSI 4090 Suprim X ~ G.Skill Trident Z5 8400 Mhz ~ 4TB Samsung 990 Pro ~ MSI-Ai1300P PSU ~ MAG 321URX QD-OLED 32" ~ AACH100HP Water Chiller ~ Praxis Wet Bench Flat MSI MEG X570S Unify-X MAX ~ 5950X ~ GTX 1070 ~ G.Skill 3200 Mhz ~ 500GB Samsung 980 Pro ~ Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO Tempered Glass ~ Thermaltake 650W ~ Hwbot Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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