*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Talon]

https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-12g-p5-4877-kl/p/N82E16814487553?Item=N82E16814487553

 

Prices are being slashed all over today. It's great to see the bottom dropping out as the free money ends and the hangover is setting in. Can't wait to pick up a 3060 Ti for $200. 

[Mr. Fox]

I think this might be my favorite Linux desktop look/feel. It is a mixture of Windows 7 and 10 GUI elements.

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

The 5800X3D seems like it is designed to make a PC the equivalent of an overpriced gaming console. 

I think I would have a whole lot more respect for all of the Big Tech vendors if they would come right out and say, "Sorry kids... we've got nothing new right now. When we do you can be sure that it will be awesome, but there is no point in us wasting your money or burning our own calories on releasing crap just for the sake of saying we have something new when it is actually nothing special. So, please spend your money on the killer stuff that we already gave you, or take time to enjoy it if you already have, and just chill until something great surfaces."

 

That sums it up perfectly.....

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-12g-p5-4877-kl/p/N82E16814487553?Item=N82E16814487553

 

Prices are being slashed all over today. It's great to see the bottom dropping out as the free money ends and the hangover is setting in. Can't wait to pick up a 3060 Ti for $200. 

 

Whew, glad I sold my new in box 3060ti for $620!!

 

But in all seriousness...

 

Crypto boom is over

Many who sucked it up and paid higher prices for their gaming cards did already

Next gen is on the horizon

Tariffs expired

 

EVGA is selling them (and many of their cards) marked down including the 12GB model for $999.99 directly too:

 

https://www.evga.com/articles/01559/evga-stack-and-save-event/

 

Just about every card they have is in stock, ready to ship from the 3090ti on down except for their AIO model 3090ti's which aren't yet out.

 

Availability stops at 3070ti. No lower tier models on the page.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Clamibot]

19 hours ago, Reciever said:

I haven't played those titles, is it safe to say they are adequately multi-threaded? 

 

In the past chips like these tended to mostly shine when properly loaded. I liked that aspect but mostly due to when and what I was thinking of it. 

 

The frame times looked much cleaner as well, with Intel still pulling ahead unless I misunderstood what I was looking at. 

 

Borderlands 3 is adequately multithreaded when run in DX 12 mode. That removes the single core performance bottleneck present when running the game in DX 11 mode and massively boosts performance.

 

The significant jump in framerate in Far Cry 5 is a bit confusing to me as that game is single core performance bound. It's probably a game that responds well to cache size increases.

[Tenoroon]

Just scored an 8700k on Ebay for under 200, I've been torn between that and the 9700k, but I want to have a fast chip, but the with the power limits that @Papusanmentioned, an 8700k would be better for higher clocks.

My goal is 5ghz all core, I'll be using a special heatsink with an external radiator to cool the thing once I modify my bracket and acquire the heatsink.

[Papusan]

All have a Happy Easter 2022 🙂

 

 

@Prema https://hwbot.org/achievement/1070_

Almost as 6th gen Intel mobile processors…. Fully locked. Even under-clocking isn’t allowed.

Overclocking the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is not possible. The BIOS does offer the usual options to change the multiplier, but these have no effect. Reducing the multiplier to underclock has no effect either.

I also tried adjusting the base clock from 100 MHz to 103 MHz, but that didn't even POST.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/22.html

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

All have a Happy Easter 2022 🙂

 

 

@Prema https://hwbot.org/achievement/1070_

Almost as 6th gen Intel mobile processors…. Fully locked. Even under-clocking isn’t allowed.

Overclocking the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is not possible. The BIOS does offer the usual options to change the multiplier, but these have no effect. Reducing the multiplier to underclock has no effect either.

I also tried adjusting the base clock from 100 MHz to 103 MHz, but that didn't even POST.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/22.html

Those muppet children are so happy because each of their Easter eggs have a 5800X3D inside.

 

The issue that I find more disturbing than the idiots at AMD releasing a castrated piece of trash like that is that there are people stupid enough to buy it after hearing of its flaws because it's a "gaming CPU" LOL.

 

Maybe this is a test that serves a business purpose for AMD to find out how high they can raise the bar on mediocrity and nonsense, as in how  much they can get away with and how much of it their Kool-Aid drinking sheeple are willing to put up with.

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

All have a Happy Easter 2022 🙂

 

 

@Prema https://hwbot.org/achievement/1070_

Almost as 6th gen Intel mobile processors…. Fully locked. Even under-clocking isn’t allowed.

Overclocking the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is not possible. The BIOS does offer the usual options to change the multiplier, but these have no effect. Reducing the multiplier to underclock has no effect either.

I also tried adjusting the base clock from 100 MHz to 103 MHz, but that didn't even POST.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/22.html

 

Wow....

 

AMD: "We've taken a chip that was normally open to overclocking and originally a had much higher PBO on launch. They started dying so we then took that chip and neutered the PBO but feisty customers would just manually OC...now introducing its natural evolution locking it down in every way AND reducing stock clocks

 

PnP BABY!

Set and forget!

 

Introducing the 5800X3D!"

 

*Crickets*

 

 

[Papusan]

On 4/12/2022 at 10:06 PM, Papusan said:

They already struggle with the cheaper new v-cache chips from AMD (being the gaming king). 15-20% IPC increase for 13th gen paired with more baby cores doesn't make any sense if they want to try stay on top in gaming vs next gen Ryzen. 

Intel Core i9-13900K Raptor Lake CPU Might Turbo To 5.8GHz And Flex 68MB Of Game Cache hothardware.com

 

So if all this is true, Raptor Lake in addition to bringing an upgraded architecture and optimizations to the fold, will also feature a faster top clock and increase the L2+L3 cache bucket from 44MB to 68MB. That will make things interesting in what will be a showdown with Zen 4 later this year.

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Those muppet children are so happy because each of their Easter eggs have a 5800X3D inside.

 

The issue that I find more disturbing than the idiots at AMD releasing a castrated piece of trash like that is that there are people stupid enough to buy it after hearing of its flaws because it's a "gaming CPU" LOL.

LOOOL. But everything with "Gaming" in the name will sell. Have you ever heard aboth the sentence.... Gamer-kids?🙂There is a reason we is flooded with bling bling and flashy lights in all colors in all todays computer tech. 

 

 

55 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Wow....

 

AMD: "We've taken a chip that was normally open to overclocking and originally a had much higher PBO on launch. They started dying so we then took that chip and neutered the PBO but feisty customers would just manually OC...now introducing its natural evolution locking it down in every way AND reducing stock clocks

 

PnP BABY!

Set and forget!

 

Introducing the 5800X3D!"

 

*Crickets*

 

 

Isn't it amusing? Amd was fast out talking about oc'ing once they throw out their fully locked "Gaming" chips...

 

AMD and Samsung Webinar Talks Raphael Overclocking, Future of DDR5 Tomshardware.com

This is what we call <brannslukking> fire-fighting here home😁

[electrosoft]

Of course here comes Skatter to OC the 5800X3D.... 😁

 

 

[Clamibot]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Intel Core i9-13900K Raptor Lake CPU Might Turbo To 5.8GHz And Flex 68MB Of Game Cache hothardware.com

 

So if all this is true, Raptor Lake in addition to bringing an upgraded architecture and optimizations to the fold, will also feature a faster top clock and increase the L2+L3 cache bucket from 44MB to 68MB. That will make things interesting in what will be a showdown with Zen 4 later this year.

LOOOL. But everything with "Gaming" in the name will sell. Have you ever heard aboth the sentence.... Gamer-kids?🙂There is a reason we is flooded with bling bling and flashy lights in all colors in all todays computer tech. 

 

 

Isn't it amusing? Amd was fast out talking about oc'ing once they throw out their fully locked "Gaming" chips...

 

AMD and Samsung Webinar Talks Raphael Overclocking, Future of DDR5 Tomshardware.com

This is what we call <brannslukking> fire-fighting here home😁

 

That bit about the 5.8 GHz turbo sounds awesome! I've found it's typically possible to overclock a CPU's all core speed to it's single core boost speed and hold that clock if you have good cooling capabilities.

 

I don't know about you guys, but I've never been able to get my CPUs to run at different speeds based on the number of active cores. The max core clock is always what my all core speed is, regardless of how many active cores there are, so I just set the all core speed to the single core boost speed, and all is well.

 

If the 13900K has the typical amount of additional overclocking headroom above the 5.8 GHz boost, then we could see 6 GHz all core. That would be super duper awesome for gaming. Disable the E-Cores, and you get additional overclocking headroom. This CPU should be able to brute force its way to 144 fps in any game!

 

As we all know, this is all speculation for now, but that doesn't stop me from getting excited. I was planning on upgrading my desktop to compliment my X170SM-G, but haven't really found anything enticing yet. I promised myself I would not get another CPU unless it was capable of 6 GHz and up. The 13900K seems it may do just that.

[Talon]

12 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

 

That bit about the 5.8 GHz turbo sounds awesome! I've found it's typically possible to overclock a CPU's all core speed to it's single core boost speed and hold that clock if you have good cooling capabilities.

 

I don't know about you guys, but I've never been able to get my CPUs to run at different speeds based on the number of active cores. The max core clock is always what my all core speed is, regardless of how many active cores there are, so I just set the all core speed to the single core boost speed, and all is well.

 

If the 13900K has the typical amount of additional overclocking headroom above the 5.8 GHz boost, then we could see 6 GHz all core. That would be super duper awesome for gaming. Disable the E-Cores, and you get additional overclocking headroom. This CPU should be able to brute force its way to 144 fps in any game!

 

As we all know, this is all speculation for now, but that doesn't stop me from getting excited. I was planning on upgrading my desktop to compliment my X170SM-G, but haven't really found anything enticing yet. I promised myself I would not get another CPU unless it was capable of 6 GHz and up. The 13900K seems it may do just that.

 

6Ghz out of Raptor Lake with light boost would be cool to see on regular cooling but I don't think were close to 6Ghz all cores anytime soon, or even 5.8ghz unless something has radically improved with Intel "7".

 

For gaming that cache is going to be a nice improvement.. It's double the cache of a 12900K and will definitely help if you're chasing crazy high fps when looking at the sky or blank scenes during a benchmark that can all fit into the cache. 

 

I watched the review of the 5800X3D from various outlets this morning and it definitely looks like a great gaming CPU, but a 5600X, 5700x, 12600K, 12700K, etc all perform very similarly in games. They all cost less, and 2 of them offer far higher performance in everything else for less money. I went back and watched a GN review of the 9900K where he basically shits on the 9900K in the conclusion stating that in a nutshell it's a CPU for those that are neurotic over FPS and yet the gap between Intel and AMD was larger back then. Yet today he's basically falling over himself with praise for the 5800X3D that gets absolutely curb stomped in everything not gaming and value. It's hard to take a channel them or HWU seriously with their obvious bias. 

 

5800X3D looks interesting for sure, I wish it was unlocked, I think I'd likely buy one to tinker with, but just like a 12900K/KS, it's a bad value for just gaming. 

[electrosoft]

2 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

6Ghz out of Raptor Lake with light boost would be cool to see on regular cooling but I don't think were close to 6Ghz all cores anytime soon, or even 5.8ghz unless something has radically improved with Intel "7".

 

For gaming that cache is going to be a nice improvement.. It's double the cache of a 12900K and will definitely help if you're chasing crazy high fps when looking at the sky or blank scenes during a benchmark that can all fit into the cache. 

 

I watched the review of the 5800X3D from various outlets this morning and it definitely looks like a great gaming CPU, but a 5600X, 5700x, 12600K, 12700K, etc all perform very similarly in games. They all cost less, and 2 of them offer far higher performance in everything else for less money. I went back and watched a GN review of the 9900K where he basically shits on the 9900K in the conclusion stating that in a nutshell it's a CPU for those that are neurotic over FPS and yet the gap between Intel and AMD was larger back then. Yet today he's basically falling over himself with praise for the 5800X3D that gets absolutely curb stomped in everything not gaming and value. It's hard to take a channel them or HWU seriously with their obvious bias. 

 

 

I'm thinking 5.3 all core, 5.6-5.7 single core boost. Like you said, unless their node process has gone through some major improvements I'm not seeing it especially having to add in more headroom for 8 additional e-cores.

 

I would love to see a 10-12 P-Core only 13th gen chip.

 

As for reviews, I've been watching them too and HWUs major fouls are limited selection of games tested along with failing to test the 12900k/ks with DDR4-3800 and limiting it to DDR-3200 when they gladly tossed in the 5800X3D with DDR4-3800 and DDR4-3200. He did say he is busy benchmarking a whole slew of games so I expect a much larger range and average in a future video as that is what they're known for. Hopefully he'll also throw in DDR4-3800 for parity along with the DDR5-6400 results.

 

The general consensus seems to be overall subpar vs 5800x as just about every non game benchmark has it lagging behind, well, just about everything except the 5600x; locked down (except in a specific, Asus targeted outlier situation as shown by Skatter using the Shamino approach) and some games absolutely shine, some are the same or a few fps behind.

 

It's a glorified gaming CPU upgrade that is hit or miss depending on games tested/played. The trade off is lower clocks and a higher price than a normal 5800x.

 

 

 

 

[Talon]

15 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

I'm thinking 5.3 all core, 5.6-5.7 single core boost. Like you said, unless their node process has gone through some major improvements I'm not seeing it especially having to add in more headroom for 8 additional e-cores.

 

I would love to see a 10-12 P-Core only 13th gen chip.

 

As for reviews, I've been watching them too and HWUs major fouls are limited selection of games tested along with failing to test the 12900k/ks with DDR4-3800 and limiting it to DDR-3200 when they gladly tossed in the 5800X3D with DDR4-3800 and DDR4-3200. He did say he is busy benchmarking a whole slew of games so I expect a much larger range and average in a future video as that is what they're known for. Hopefully he'll also throw in DDR4-3800 for parity along with the DDR5-6400 results.

 

The general consensus seems to be overall subpar vs 5800x as just about every non game benchmark has it lagging behind, well, just about everything except the 5600x; locked down (except in a specific, Asus targeted outlier situation as shown by Skatter using the Shamino approach) and some games absolutely shine, some are the same or a few fps behind.

 

It's a glorified gaming CPU upgrade that is hit or miss depending on games tested/played. The trade off is lower clocks and a higher price than a normal 5800x.

 

 

 

 

 

100% agree. They need to do a SKU with binned P cores, no E cores at all, and massive cache. 

 

 

His conclusion is basically how I see the chip. Also looks like you lose some of the performance if using an older motherboard which is interesting. 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Of course here comes Skatter to OC the 5800X3D.... 😁

 

 

Weird seeing an custom loop struggle with low power consumption due the chips design. A disaster chips design.  

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

 

That bit about the 5.8 GHz turbo sounds awesome! I've found it's typically possible to overclock a CPU's all core speed to it's single core boost speed and hold that clock if you have good cooling capabilities.

 

I don't know about you guys, but I've never been able to get my CPUs to run at different speeds based on the number of active cores. The max core clock is always what my all core speed is, regardless of how many active cores there are, so I just set the all core speed to the single core boost speed, and all is well.

 

If the 13900K has the typical amount of additional overclocking headroom above the 5.8 GHz boost, then we could see 6 GHz all core. That would be super duper awesome for gaming. Disable the E-Cores, and you get additional overclocking headroom. This CPU should be able to brute force its way to 144 fps in any game!

 

As we all know, this is all speculation for now, but that doesn't stop me from getting excited. I was planning on upgrading my desktop to compliment my X170SM-G, but haven't really found anything enticing yet. I promised myself I would not get another CPU unless it was capable of 6 GHz and up. The 13900K seems it may do just that.

Intel rely more on high burst clocks (single and dual cores) today. And you need a good cooler to be able to run all cores at single core boost. In the earlier days it was a lot easier to put all cores at single core boost. See also the Jokebook chips. High single core boost that drop fast once all cores being loaded. They use high single core boost on almost all their chips. From the wimpy 15W U-series chips up to their 125/150w chips for desktops. All have high single core bost clocks that will collapse once they start do something meaningful. 

 

Their spastic behaviour is quite disgusting...

 

 

[Papusan]

I wonder how much money Intel paid them this time😀 This is pure slaughter from from UserBenchmarks. They have a very valid point (the new chips provide lower performance in many tasks vs its sibling/twin) but with their recent history they have lost all credibility.

 

The notorious UserBenchmark has struck again as the review embargoes for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D were lifted today. In its description of the new Ryzen 7 5800X3D, the site has labeled the new 3D V-cache technology as a "gimmick" and has stated that AMD would require more than such gimmicks to be competitive.

 

 

Notorious UserBenchmark is already throwing shade at AMD's new Ryzen 7 5800X3D

 

 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Weird seeing an custom loop struggle with low power consumption due the chips design. A disaster chips design.  

Intel rely more on high burst clocks (single and dual cores) today. And you need a good cooler to be able to run all cores at single core boost. In the earlier days it was a lot easier to put all cores at single core boost. See also the Jokebook chips. High single core boost that drop fast once all cores being loaded. They use high single core boost on almost all their chips. From the wimpy 15W U-series chips up to their 125/150w chips for desktops. All have high single core bost clocks that will collapse once they start do something meaningful. 

 

Their spastic behaviour is quite disgusting...

 

 

 

The 5800x was always the hottest running chip in their line up from day one unless you got a good sample. Some would confuse low Package Power with producing less heat when quite honestly at stock the 5800x is capable of putting out as much heat as some 12900k chips at stock. It's just that the 12900k is pulling 200-240w doing it while the 5800x is doing it 130-150w. And just like Intel, it is sensitive to heat when OCing and would take fairly high Vcore to push 4.7+ all core stress tests. I do remember using 1.4v for some tests.

 

Overclocked, it could easily push into the 80s and low 90s even pulling ~150w max. Google temp issues with it and you'll see plenty trying to tame the heat and wondering why it is running so hot.

 

On the plus side, 5800X3D is their better B2 stepping silicon and most likely binned so they do seem to be running cooler and pulling slightly less than B0 5800x variants.

 

Even with 12th gen, let's face it. On the mobile front Intel is still the hot and heavy winner in mobile computing. Only difference is they actually win this time around in performance to go along with that hot and heavy. Cramming that in T&L chassis and end users get what they get when they select certain configs in those rail thin bodies.

 

Looks like Alienware and MSI did it right this time around though with their gaming notebooks as 12th gen 12700/12800 and 12900 parts are putting up some very nice numbers single and multi-threaded.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Reciever]

Just now, Papusan said:

I wonder how much money Intel paid them this time😀 This is pure slaughter from from UserBenchmarks. 

 

The notorious UserBenchmark has struck again as the review embargoes for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D were lifted today. In its description of the new Ryzen 7 5800X3D, the site has labeled the new 3D V-cache technology as a "gimmick" and has stated that AMD would require more than such gimmicks to be competitive.

 

 

Notorious UserBenchmark is already throwing shade at AMD's new Ryzen 7 5800X3D

 

 

Not sure why people pick teams, go with what works for you for the best price available.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Overclocked, it could easily push into the 80s and low 90s even pulling ~150w max. Google temp issues with it and you'll see plenty trying to tame the heat and wondering why it is running so hot.

 

On the plus side, 5800X3D is their better B2 stepping silicon and most likely binned so they do seem to be running cooler and pulling slightly less than B0 5800x variants.

Yep, they couldn't have used same binning as for 5800x. If they did, it wouldn't reach their targeted boost clocks as today within use of same voltage and power cap. Remember that 5800X3D run at same temp as the 5800X but with 35W less wattage.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

Not sure why people pick teams, go with what works for you for the best price available.

 

Agreed, in one fashion or the other I have Qualcomm, Apple, AMD and Intel Silicon in my various devices...

[Ashtrix]

6 hours ago, Talon said:

 

6Ghz out of Raptor Lake with light boost would be cool to see on regular cooling but I don't think were close to 6Ghz all cores anytime soon, or even 5.8ghz unless something has radically improved with Intel "7".

 

For gaming that cache is going to be a nice improvement.. It's double the cache of a 12900K and will definitely help if you're chasing crazy high fps when looking at the sky or blank scenes during a benchmark that can all fit into the cache. 

 

I watched the review of the 5800X3D from various outlets this morning and it definitely looks like a great gaming CPU, but a 5600X, 5700x, 12600K, 12700K, etc all perform very similarly in games. They all cost less, and 2 of them offer far higher performance in everything else for less money. I went back and watched a GN review of the 9900K where he basically shits on the 9900K in the conclusion stating that in a nutshell it's a CPU for those that are neurotic over FPS and yet the gap between Intel and AMD was larger back then. Yet today he's basically falling over himself with praise for the 5800X3D that gets absolutely curb stomped in everything not gaming and value. It's hard to take a channel them or HWU seriously with their obvious bias. 

 

5800X3D looks interesting for sure, I wish it was unlocked, I think I'd likely buy one to tinker with, but just like a 12900K/KS, it's a bad value for just gaming. 

 

 

Yeah their biases are too stupid and annoying. Did they mention 5900X is selling at $380 Retail at NewEgg ? which is $60 less cost for more Threads and more in everything. Stupid gaming this that changes what about overall performance with 4C8T extras ? yeah no do not consider that at all buy this junk, well nobody is going to buy this processor. X570 has been in the market since Ryzen 3000 was in the market due to PCIe4.0 which means 2019 that is  3 year old and Ryzen 5000 is 1.5 years old now, how much market saturation AMD got ? PLENTY. Which is why Intel slashed prices heavily on Alder Lake and offered DDR4 to get that marketshare back.  Also I remember how Steve at GN was like yeah buy this 9700K it's best for gaming lol, absolute pile of trash. Look how it struggles due to lack of SMT.

 

A locked down experimental dog feces processor which is only made to show off their TSMC technology while getting massive profits by EPYC-X Cache stack refresh while Intel is having no XEON competition to that. Plus the worst is, this 3D Cache is not even there on Genoa which is Milan / EPYC successor arriving later this year, and then 2023 Bergamo with cut down no SMT Server CPU. And ofc that means ? Ryzen 7000 won't have X3D presumably. Which is why it's a real experimental SKU.

 

I want to point one big finger at Intel, they axed their top class L4 Cache series with 577C and Apple's BGA Crystalwell dumpster being last. They could have added it to all of their stack but never did because more cash and more pins Intel didn't want to spend any money on R&D anymore. Well now they are adding that to the CPU Arch itself, Raptor Lake's new Game Cache lol.

 

This AMD experiment is expensive technology and probably has a lot of limitations as well, which is why they just did this Frankensilicon like Intel 10nm to 14nm++ LGA1200 but heavily castrated it from the factory with no OC at all, plus garbage IF clocks. Well Ryzen would crap out on itself if we push hard.

 

And games ? Broken garbage since Day 1. Honestly look how awful AAA titles have been on PC and PC crowd is fine with that garbage behavior top rating for broken trash and selling millions and what do they get for such PC hardware costing 3x more than a Conslow box ? 3X FPS ? Nope 3X MSRP of GPUs and nonsensical garbage optimization broken from get go.

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Yep, they couldn't have used same binning as for 5800x. If they did, it wouldn't reach their targeted boost clocks as today within use of same voltage and power cap. Remember that 5800X3D run at same temp as the 5800X but with 35W less wattage.

 

 

Bro papu, this BGA like dumpster 5800X3D trash runs at 1.3v boost clocks, while 5800X runs at 1.4v boost clocks it's not same voltage, that's what I read on Tech Power Up comments as W1zzard mentioned. Yes it's a binned silicon. B2 stepping has been there in the market for a while and it didn't fix any of the issues with AMD, which are those notorious WHEA cancer and USB diseases.

[Papusan]

45 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

Yeah their biases are too stupid and annoying. Did they mention 5900X is selling at $380 Retail at NewEgg ? which is $60 less cost for more Threads and more in everything. Stupid gaming this that changes what about overall performance with 4C8T extras ? yeah no do not consider that at all buy this junk, well nobody is going to buy this processor.

People will jump on it as sweet candy. There is for a reason gamingbooks with castrated Max-Q graphics still sell well. People get what they ask for. 

 

https://www.computerbase.de/2022-04/ryzen-7-5800x3d-gaming-benchmark/3/

45 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

Bro papu, this BGA like dumpster 5800X3D trash runs at 1.3v boost clocks, while 5800X runs at 1.4v boost clocks it's not same voltage, that's what I read on Tech Power Up comments as W1zzard mentioned. Yes it's a binned silicon. B2 stepping has been there in the market for a while and it didn't fix any of the issues with AMD, which are those notorious WHEA cancer and USB diseases.

Yep it runs with less voltage. The locked down 5800X3D gaming flagship from AMD would never ever seen the light if AMD used same silicon bin as for 5800x. If they did we would see even lower boost clocks. But be you sure... People would buy it anyway. AMD missed out on this. They could have increased their profits using lesser quality bin and flooded the market with locked down flagship chips. 

[Reciever]

I still hold that a DTR makes the most sense for the 5800X3D since it likely lacks @Prema love and also no support from Throttlestop. Shame the one platform we have for that only comes with a BGA 2070.

[electrosoft]

24 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I still hold that a DTR makes the most sense for the 5800X3D since it likely lacks @Prema love and also no support from Throttlestop. Shame the one platform we have for that only comes with a BGA 2070.

 

And a smaller 15" form factor versus a proper 17" chassis.....