*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Etern4l]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

13:47 - Is The RTX 4090 Overrated. Nope. The only card worth to buy from the 4xxx series lineup. 

 

You know this is just playing into Jensen's hand, right? He overpriced everything underneath, so that the 4090 appears to be "good value". All of those products are a rip-off really. According to some "online estimates", a typical 4090 costs around $300 to manufacture. If people exercise moderation in consumption of these products (and apparently they do, but probably not enough), the predatory practices will be rightly penalized.

[Mr. Fox]

Looks like John Deere is taking a page from the PC component and notebook manufacturer playbook on what it means to be a sucky scumbag.

 

  

41 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

You know this is just playing into Jensen's hand, right? He overpriced everything underneath, so that the 4090 appears to be "good value". All of those products are a rip-off really. According to some "online estimates", a typical 4090 costs around $300 to manufacture. If people exercise moderation in consumption of these products (and apparently they do, but probably not enough), the predatory practices will be penalized.

I'm am starting to feel like none of this even matters anymore. I mean, with Kingpin GPUs now a thing of the past and Galax HOF being nearly impossible to source in many countries, and if you even can get one, after buying it having the firmware and software withheld and unavailable that make the HOF something worth owning, there is nothing special available for purchase. There is no point in buying a GPU that is better in design or concept, but functionally identical to every common zombie sheeple card that only varies from the norm based on silicon lottery variance.

 

[Reciever]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks like John Deere is taking a page from the PC component and notebook manufacturer playbook on what it means to be a sucky scumbag.

 

  

I'm am starting to feel like none of this even matters anymore. I mean, with Kingpin GPUs now a thing of the past and Galax HOF being nearly impossible to source in many countries, and if you even can get one, after buying it having the firmware and software withheld and unavailable that make the HOF something worth owning, there is nothing special available for purchase. There is no point in buying a common GPU that is functionally identical to every zombie sheeple card that only varies from the norm based on silicon lottery variance.

 

Is kingpin moving to another board partner or just retiring from the arena altogether? 

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Is kingpin moving to another board partner or just retiring from the arena altogether? 

I little birdie whispered something in my ear to the effect MSI is talking to Vince about Kingpin branded MSI GPUs. I hope MSI picks up the torch and runs with it. That would be absolutely awesome. I hope that turns out to be true. Only time will tell.

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I little birdie whispered something in my ear to the effect MSI is talking to Vince about Kingpin branded MSI GPUs. I hope MSI picks up the torch and runs with it. That would be absolutely awesome. I hope that turns out to be true. Only time will tell.

Well even though MSI as a company sometimes seems to appear morally bankrupt, they are a huge player. If that (let's say hypothetical) happens, I wonder if msi would attempt to muscle their way around Nvidia / AMD's restrictive policies. 

 

The only thing worse would be msi kingpin cards that end up sucking. 

[Mr. Fox]

10 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Well even though MSI as a company sometimes seems to appear morally bankrupt, they are a huge player. If that (let's say hypothetical) happens, I wonder if msi would attempt to muscle their way around Nvidia / AMD's restrictive policies. 

 

The only thing worse would be msi kingpin cards that end up sucking. 

I think MSI would leverage it and push the envelope, and tell NVIDIA to hush up. It's time for them to return from the shadows. When EVGA was still in the battle they had formidable competition with ASUS and EVGA taking all of the gold with motherboards and GPUs. With EVGA out of the picture, the timing is right and things are ripe for them to open a can of whoopass on ASUS.

 

 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

You know this is just playing into Jensen's hand, right? He overpriced everything underneath, so that the 4090 appears to be "good value". All of those products are a rip-off really. According to some "online estimates", a typical 4090 costs around $300 to manufacture. If people exercise moderation in consumption of these products (and apparently they do, but probably not enough), the predatory practices will be rightly penalized.

 

Yep. And I can't see a single reason buy the 4080. Even 900$ would be disgusting. The 4080 price point should be the 4080Ti.

 

With no 4080Ti we have none real 4K cards outside the 4090. And Jensen know that.

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

Well even though MSI as a company sometimes seems to appear morally bankrupt, they are a huge player. If that (let's say hypothetical) happens, I wonder if msi would attempt to muscle their way around Nvidia / AMD's restrictive policies. 

 

The only thing worse would be msi kingpin cards that end up sucking. 

 

MSI have still the Lightning brand in their portefolio. On time they start fire it up or add the Kingpin brand name on these SKUs and push it out. Asus and Galaxy need competition. In the old days we had Lightning, Kingpin, Matrix and HOF. We need them all back. And in all regions around the world. So 3 players. 

 

MSI could come back with Lighning cards, but they prefer not to do so the last gens. They don't need Kingpin to do it. They have the resources to make fantastic cards. But prefer the gamer kid segment. Same as all others. Aka barely good enough at premium price.

 

Edit. Colorful pushed an limited number special SKUs for the chosen one, the LN2 oc'ers (modern influencers for HW). But really no option. So as of today there are minimale options for those that want the best. We all have to accept how it is if we want cards. The gamer kids win, the enthusiast lose. Exactly as with laptops Jokebooks. Aka Unisex = All should have the same. 

 

I know @ryanlike this one 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Edit. Colorful pushed an limited number special SKUs for the chosen one, the LN2 oc'ers (modern influencers for HW). But really no option. So as of today there are minimale options for those that want the best. We all have to accept how it is if we want cards. The gamer kids win, the enthusiast lose. Exactly as with laptops Jokebooks. Aka Unisex = All should have the same. 

Colorful could be relevant except they have the same issue as their daughter company, Galax. In order to be relevant they need to make their flagship extreme OC products available freely in the US, Canada and UK. The availability is so limited that they remain irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

Colorful iGame KUDAN was quite the GPU. If my understanding is correct, they quietly manufacture the Galax HOF and sell it under that brand name. Look at this insane hybrid air/AIO/custom loop shapeshifter. This overpriced monster sold for like $5K from what I understand. But... doesn't matter. Can't buy one here even if you want to, so it's basically irrelevant.

 

 

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think MSI would leverage it and push the envelope, and tell NVIDIA to hush up. It's time for them to return from the shadows. When EVGA was still in the battle they had formidable competition with ASUS and EVGA taking all of the gold with motherboards and GPUs. With EVGA out of the picture, the timing is right and things are ripe for them to open a can of whoopass on ASUS.

 

 

That would likely depend on AMD rising to the challenge on the top end AND Intel eating away at Nvidia's entry level, even then it wouldnt surprise me if Nvidia just bows out altogether the moment they determine the AI rush is a long term thing (regardless of if that hypothetical is true or not).

 

Intel ironically enough might become the most interesting thing in the market.

 

Something's gotta give, no more SLI fun, no more vbios mods, restricted performance, no top end options. You need a soldering iron and SOC knowledge to have any fun 😞

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Colorful could be relevant except they have the same issue as their daughter company, Galax. In order to be relevant they need to make their flagship extreme OC products available freely in the US, Canada and UK. The availability is so limited that they remain irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

Colorful iGame KUDAN was quite the GPU. If my understanding is correct, they quietly manufacture the Galax HOF and sell it under that brand name. Look at this insane hybrid air/AIO/custom loop shapeshifter. This overpriced monster sold for like $5K from what I understand. But... doesn't matter. Can't buy one here even if you want to, so it's basically irrelevant.

 

 

 

Galax/KFA is the sub-brand of Palit Microsystems. Worlds biggest Graphics cards manufacturer. Colorful Group (Colorful Technology) own Colorful graphics cards. A huge Chineese Global brand that operate even in U.S. But that doesn't help yoou much if the best SKUs remain in China/mainland and for the chosen one. Make a limited version of their cards is to push out rest of their gamerboy toys. Flagship models today is more for helping the manufacturer to sell their cheapest SKUs. No one really bother offer avesome.

 

Value and Conclusion

This Colorful card comes with an excellent edgy aesthetic that's dominated by sharp angles and a black/gray color theme. Under the hood we found a super powerful 24+4 phase VRM design, which should handle 600 W easily. That's why I was even more surprised to see only 480 W manual adjustment range. This is lower than any other card we've tested today, even lower than the default setting of the ASUS STRIX (500 W). This pretty much disqualifies the card for serious overclockers, unless they want to solder on their card to trick the power limiter into "seeing" reduced power draw.

 

Why the need for destroying own products for no real reasons? Hmmm

 

40 minutes ago, Reciever said:

That would likely depend on AMD rising to the challenge on the top end AND Intel eating away at Nvidia's entry level, even then it wouldnt surprise me if Nvidia just bows out altogether the moment they determine the AI rush is a long term thing (regardless of if that hypothetical is true or not).

 

Intel ironically enough might become the most interesting thing in the market.

 

The big hope is that the U.S government throw out Nvidia from the AI rush in China. Nvidia will still own the high end. Maybe they let Intel get the low/mid end to get rid of AMD.

[Reciever]

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Galax/KFA is the sub-brand of Palit Microsystems. Worlds biggest Graphics cards manufacturer. Colorful Group (Colorful Technology) own Colorful graphics cards. A huge Chineese Global brand that operate even in U.S. But that doesn't help yoou much if the best SKUs remain in China/mainland and for the chosen one. Make a limited version of their cards is to push out rest of their gamerboy toys. Flagship models today is more for helping the manufacturer to sell their cheapest SKUs. No one really bother offer avesome.

 

Value and Conclusion

This Colorful card comes with an excellent edgy aesthetic that's dominated by sharp angles and a black/gray color theme. Under the hood we found a super powerful 24+4 phase VRM design, which should handle 600 W easily. That's why I was even more surprised to see only 480 W manual adjustment range. This is lower than any other card we've tested today, even lower than the default setting of the ASUS STRIX (500 W). This pretty much disqualifies the card for serious overclockers, unless they want to solder on their card to trick the power limiter into "seeing" reduced power draw.

 

 

The big hope is that the U.S government throw out Nvidia from the AI rush in China. Nvidia will still own the high end. Maybe they let Intel get the low/mid end to get rid of AMD.

From what I hear, one of the real estate companies filed for bankruptcy in China and expected to be a domino effect on the rest of the country and drag the world a bit as well. If China was their main buyer, that might dry up here soon.

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The big hope is that the U.S government throw out Nvidia from the AI rush in China. Nvidia will still own the high end. Maybe they let Intel get the low/mid end to get rid of AMD.

China should just be thrown out of everything and deprived of the money and essential resources needed to thrive and remain relevant to the rest of the world, all of whom they would happily kill or enslave if given the opportunity. They do it to their own.

[seanwee]

On 8/19/2023 at 3:08 PM, ryan said:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 (notebook) video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-11800H,HP 88F4 (3dmark.com)

 

got a new high score

 

Result (3dmark.com) ----5522 in port royal

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 (notebook) video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-11800H,HP 88F4 (3dmark.com)

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9585 in timespy, considering im using stock 3200mhz ram and its technically a 115w 3060 id say im doing good and progressing in getting top place on the leader boards, its fun pushing a system it just sucks when you run out of options to improve performance

 

Wdym? You haven't even shunt modded

 

Edit 1: Broke 27k timespy graphics

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/41043655

 

Edit 2: Broke 17k Port Royal

https://www.3dmark.com/pr/2509423

[Etern4l]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

They do it to their own.

Hey, I was looking for a stronger power brick to help me benchmark my laptop when this came up har har.I guess there would be help. Just what the world needs right now.

[seanwee]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-announces-dlss-3-5-with-ray-reconstruction-launches-this-fall

 

DLSS for ray traced lighting, nvidia is going all in with Ai reconstruction.

[jaybee83]

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Looks like John Deere is taking a page from the PC component and notebook manufacturer playbook on what it means to be a sucky scumbag.

 

  

I'm am starting to feel like none of this even matters anymore. I mean, with Kingpin GPUs now a thing of the past and Galax HOF being nearly impossible to source in many countries, and if you even can get one, after buying it having the firmware and software withheld and unavailable that make the HOF something worth owning, there is nothing special available for purchase. There is no point in buying a GPU that is better in design or concept, but functionally identical to every common zombie sheeple card that only varies from the norm based on silicon lottery variance.

 

 

sooooo bro Fox what would be next on your list of potential hobbies, should PC hardware just get too crappy to bother with? open for input 🙂 

 

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I little birdie whispered something in my ear to the effect MSI is talking to Vince about Kingpin branded MSI GPUs. I hope MSI picks up the torch and runs with it. That would be absolutely awesome. I hope that turns out to be true. Only time will tell.

 

Huh! MSI Kingpin cards....you got my attention! In the end, almost doesnt matter where Vince lands, as long as he keeps up the good work 🙂 

 

12 hours ago, Reciever said:

Well even though MSI as a company sometimes seems to appear morally bankrupt, they are a huge player. If that (let's say hypothetical) happens, I wonder if msi would attempt to muscle their way around Nvidia / AMD's restrictive policies. 

 

The only thing worse would be msi kingpin cards that end up sucking. 

 

only sometimes? 😛 

as for the "muscling their way around", EVGA had a pretty good approach, where they would keep most of their findings close to the chest and throw smoke bombs so that Nvidia wouldnt be able and figure out how they did what they did. seemed to work quite nicely. plus, with kingpin cards so ultra highend, i think Nvidia doesnt care about that super duper small subpart of the already tiny enthusiast community that this would affect.

 

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Colorful could be relevant except they have the same issue as their daughter company, Galax. In order to be relevant they need to make their flagship extreme OC products available freely in the US, Canada and UK. The availability is so limited that they remain irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

Colorful iGame KUDAN was quite the GPU. If my understanding is correct, they quietly manufacture the Galax HOF and sell it under that brand name. Look at this insane hybrid air/AIO/custom loop shapeshifter. This overpriced monster sold for like $5K from what I understand. But... doesn't matter. Can't buy one here even if you want to, so it's basically irrelevant.

 

 

 

dayum, thats seems like quite the card...wonder if that hybrid approach hinders an "air only" cooling setup, although it wouldnt be intended for that...

 

9 hours ago, Reciever said:

From what I hear, one of the real estate companies filed for bankruptcy in China and expected to be a domino effect on the rest of the country and drag the world a bit as well. If China was their main buyer, that might dry up here soon.

 

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

China should just be thrown out of everything and deprived of the money and essential resources needed to thrive and remain relevant to the rest of the world, all of whom they would happily kill or enslave if given the opportunity. They do it to their own.

 

welp, problem is if china really goes down the drain theyll suck the rest of the world down with them. similar to when the US housing market crashed, we all felt the consequences 😞 lets hope it wont be like that again...

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

sooooo bro Fox what would be next on your list of potential hobbies, should PC hardware just get too crappy to bother with? open for input 🙂 

I am not sure. It would be a difficult void to fill. Probably just double down on health and fitness. Maybe go back to firearms and weapons, which was one of my passions before PC.

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

Huh! MSI Kingpin cards....you got my attention! In the end, almost doesnt matter where Vince lands, as long as he keeps up the good work 🙂 

Yeah, would be awesome 

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

welp, problem is if china really goes down the drain theyll suck the rest of the world down with them. similar to when the US housing market crashed, we all felt the consequences 😞 lets hope it wont be like that again...

It would absolutely suck while happening, but might be worth it in the long term. Allowing such a wicked adversary to gain a place of value and prominence was a very serious mistake. The world would ultimately be a better place without them, or at least without their exceedingly wicked leaders. The good people of China have no voice under the dominion of a insane and godless tyrant, and no armaments to combat, resist or subjugate the control of their unfit government. The evil ones (and their subservient Kool-Aid drinkers) have all of the power and control, and zero tolerance of the good ones. I don't believe there is a way that can be fixed, or it already would be. Best to rip the band-aid off. It might bleed a little bit for just a few minutes, but it can be over fast.

[electrosoft]

Asus Scar Strix 7945HX3D reviews are trickling in.... $3600 before tax...ouch. I can grab an Asus G18 w/ 13980HX + 4080 for $1950 from best buy along with rewards and other perks to drop that effective price to under 2k total even after tax. It's hard to swallow that ~$1800 difference even with a 4090 under the hood.

 

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/20010/the-asus-rog-strix-scar-17-2023-laptop-review-ryzen-9-7945hx3d-with-3d-v-cache-impresses

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-rog-strix-scar-17-x3d-amd-ryzen-9-7945Hx3d

 

https://www.theverge.com/23840504/asus-rog-strix-scar-x3d-gaming-laptop-price-review

 

 

[chew]

I got asked to post a bunch of tests.

 

 

 

[seanwee]

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Asus Scar Strix 7945HX3D reviews are trickling in.... $3600 before tax...ouch. I can grab an Asus G18 w/ 13980HX + 4080 for $1950 from best buy along with rewards and other perks to drop that effective price to under 2k total even after tax. It's hard to swallow that ~$1800 difference even with a 4090 under the hood.

 

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/20010/the-asus-rog-strix-scar-17-2023-laptop-review-ryzen-9-7945hx3d-with-3d-v-cache-impresses

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-rog-strix-scar-17-x3d-amd-ryzen-9-7945Hx3d

 

https://www.theverge.com/23840504/asus-rog-strix-scar-x3d-gaming-laptop-price-review

 

 

Well, seems like I was right. Thermals will be the main issue

 

 

No LM was a surprise that just made it worse.

 

Also doesn't quite match up to overclocked ram.

 

 

My bench with tuned 6000mhz memory.

[Papusan]

Only few hours from now and old Papusan leave the rainy hell called Norway for sunglasses. I have almost forgot how to use them, LOOL😁 One month right outside the coast of Africa with nice weather will make me and my wife good Canary Islands Every summer we spend one months of the year on the islands. Slow days under the outdoor roof and large parasols. Can't be better than this for an old fart.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

36 minutes ago, chew said:

I got asked to post a bunch of tests.

 

 

 

It is nice to finally see some good memory overclocking from the Red Team. It was a long time coming. Very respectable. Not sure who asked you to post, but no invitation is needed. Desktop, laptop, Intel, AMD, NVIDIA all welcome here. 

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, chew said:

I got asked to post a bunch of tests.

 

 

 

There's my man chew*. Hope you pop in from time to time and visit with us! We are a small, and somewhat close group of geeks, that have a small hardware addiction 😁

[Mr. Fox]

6 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Only few hours from now and old Papusan leave the rainy hell called Norway for sunglasses. I have almost forgot how to use them, LOOL😁 One month right outside the coast of Africa with nice weather will make me and my wife good Canary Islands Every summer we spend one months of the year on the islands. Slow days under the outdoor roof and large parasols. Can't be better than this for an old fart.

 

 

I hope you and your family have fun in the sun.

[Reciever]

47 minutes ago, chew said:

I got asked to post a bunch of tests.

 

 

 

 

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