*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, ryan said:

I figured this, the most hyped game of 2023. people need to lower their expectations, it in all honesty is probably a great game from what iv'e seen in the videos. I thought the graphics were terrible until I loaded a 4k video in full screen, not bad for the size of the game and as far as the optimisations go im glad 4gb is enough to play this game.

There's no way in hell that I would pay $70 for it. Maybe I will see if I can find something to like about it when the price drops to $15-$25. I think I can count on one hand how many games of the hundreds that I own that I think are worth what they sold for at the time of launch. That approach generally works out really good for me. If it turns out that I think it sucks I didn't waste a lot of money on it. If it turns out to be something I like, then I paid what it was actually worth; not what suckers paid for it when it was a new release. A lot of the games I own that I paid $20 or less for aren't even worth what I paid for them and I regret wasting any money on them. (And most are very popular titles.) A good number of them were purchased only for the in-game benchmark and I knew I had no interest in the game before I bought it for the benchmark.

[ryan]

23 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

There's no way in hell that I would pay $70 for it

sorry I forgot to mention its on game pass and essentially free. I don't mind checking it out but im not really into slow takes 20 hours for story to kick in games but hey you never know, might be a great game. You get to shoot things, how bad can it be. LOL

[Mr. Fox]

Very true. I don't like that either. Very irritating. If I cared about the story I would wait for the movie, and then wait for it to come out on Netflix for free, or watch in with commercials for free on Vudu, LOL. No reason to pay $70, or even $20.

[ryan]

haha lol....I can't believe people paid 120 cad for it. do you have an idea of how many margaritas that is? like 16 at a bar.

 

I personally feel it deserves my hard earned cash 0.02 but they better give me back the pennys if it doesn't entertain for more than 10 minutes. like heck if I had 120 a month to spend on watching paint dry(sorry mean playing a AAA game) id have enough money to rent a yacht(ok maybe not) but you get the drift. money not spent on pooh is probably a smarter idea.

[tps3443]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

There's no way in hell that I would pay $70 for it. Maybe I will see if I can find something to like about it when the price drops to $15-$25. I think I can count on one hand how many games of the hundreds that I own that I think are worth what they sold for at the time of launch. That approach generally works out really good for me. If it turns out that I think it sucks I didn't waste a lot of money on it. If it turns out to be something I like, then I paid what it was actually worth; not what suckers paid for it when it was a new release. A lot of the games I own that I paid $20 or less for aren't even worth what I paid for them and I regret wasting any money on them. (And most are very popular titles.) A good number of them were purchased only for the in-game benchmark and I knew I had no interest in the game before I bought it for the benchmark.

I got too much invested in this game makes me feel sick lol. First is game pass which charges $17.99 per month. I installed the game, then saw with the deluxe edition I can play 5-6 days before launch. So then I paid the $34 dollars and upgraded to the deluxe edition since I already had game pass I got a discount. (Turns out this method didn’t work, upgrading to deluxe doesn’t provide early access, and I could not refund this) so I then had to pay the full $103 with tax for the actual Deluxe edition. So I am at $154 dollars so far just to play the game early. 🤣

 

The game is great though. It takes some scratching the surface. And the graphics are actually really good. 

[ryan]

is it fun in an action kinda way? or is it more story driven?

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I got too much invested in this game makes me feel sick lol. First is game pass which charges $17.99 per month. I installed the game, then saw with the deluxe edition I can play 5-6 days before launch. So then I paid the $34 dollars and upgraded to the deluxe edition since I already had game pass I got a discount. (Turns out this method didn’t work, upgrading to deluxe doesn’t provide early access, and I could not refund this) so I then had to pay the full $103 with tax for the actual Deluxe edition. So I am at $154 dollars so far just to play the game early. 🤣

 

The game is great though. It takes some scratching the surface. And the graphics are actually really good. 

Dad gummit, that's insane. That would make me feel sick, too. I probably haven't paid $150 in the aggregate for all the games I have purchased in the past 5 years, LOL.

[tps3443]

22 minutes ago, ryan said:

is it fun in an action kinda way? or is it more story driven?

The fighting is some of the best. I’ve been in moments where I go in a building and I’m fighting like 10 space pirates. And it’s different everytime you load that game and fight the same guys. I will load my game and do it all again just because it’s a blast. There isn’t loads of that, but you can go find it. The action is great when it’s happening. 
 

The game is very solid. I put like 8 hours in it just yesterday. 

[Mr. Fox]

It seems like a long time ago (don't remember for sure when the last one was) that there was a game release that I was actually super-excited about. Sadly, those that interest me the most now are nothing but remasters of old games from back in the day when games were still great. Almost every time I open one of my game clients and browse their stores I end up disappointed that they have absolutely nothing that looks good to me.  Once in a great while there will be something I think might be good that I add to my wish list and wait for the price to fall to $20~ or wait until I can find it that cheap on a cd-key seller site.

 

My kids used to give me Steam gift cards for birthday or Christmas presents, but the last time they did it was more than 6 months until I found something good enough to buy. The money just sat in my Steam wallet for what seemed like forever.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Level 12 in Starfield so far! While there are many aspects to the game that I didn’t like at first. The game has my attention and it has really grown on me. I play it and enjoy it for many hours at a time. I haven’t had a game to dump endless time in to like this. The game is solid! No complaints with performance either. I’ve bumped my DLSS slider to 80% of my 4K resolution (Looks far better than 67% DLSS), and I still maintain over 60FPS at all times, with shadow quality on high instead of ultra. (Worthy trade) I feel like I’m playing a new version of Fallout 4 with slightly better graphics and engine. Nothing ground breaking in this game. I honestly would have preferred if Bethesda kept it in dev for like 2-3 more years and gave us the whole experience.  But I guess we gotta wait for ES6 for all that goodness. Either way it’s a good game, and much better than Cyberpunk  2077. I did beat Cyberpunk 2077… But after the story I just couldn’t get in to it. And they had that bubble you were always in and no action happened outside of this invisible bubble. You could not snipe people at all, and no bombing cars from further away. It was so silly. 

 

Yep, looks feels and plays like FO4/76. That's not a bad thing. I was able to jump right in. Graphics are clearly updated and I expect many hours of fun when I can fully dive in.

 

As for performance, Steve and GN did a CPU Benchmark/Bottleneck video with a 4090 and a checksum top end with the 7900xtx to show where CPUs give up the ghost. He also did some memory scaling (after the Buildzoid video) showing not much is gained from 6000 up to 7000 (~2fps) but I would have liked to have seen some 7600 and 8000+ testing just because....

 

This game seems to really like Intel 13th gen CPUs especially 13700/13900 and clearly outpace the X3D models including 7800X3D, 7950X3D and especially the 5800X3D.

 

Dropping resolution down to stupid levels (720p) shows not much of a difference between the 7900xtx and 4090 CPU wise. ~4fps but forcing the 13900k into a bottlenecked situation still shows the 7900xtx winning vs the 4090 at all useful resolutions (IE, resolutions and settings that can force a CPU bottleneck).

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

46 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yep, looks feels and plays like FO4/76. That's not a bad thing. I was able to jump right in. Graphics are clearly updated and I expect many hours of fun when I can fully dive in.

 

As for performance, Steve and GN did a CPU Benchmark/Bottleneck video with a 4090 and a checksum top end with the 7900xtx to show where CPUs give up the ghost. He also did some memory scaling (after the Buildzoid video) showing not much is gained from 6000 up to 7000 (~2fps) but I would have liked to have seen some 7600 and 8000+ testing just because....

 

This game seems to really like Intel 13th gen CPUs especially 13700/13900 and clearly outpace the X3D models including 7800X3D, 7950X3D and especially the 5800X3D.

 

Dropping resolution down to stupid levels (720p) shows not much of a difference between the 7900xtx and 4090 CPU wise. ~4fps but forcing the 13900k into a bottlenecked situation still shows the 7900xtx winning vs the 4090 at all useful resolutions (IE, resolutions and settings that can force a CPU bottleneck).

 

 

 

 

Fallout 4 was a mess CPU wise. It had no idea what to do. One minute your at 99% GPU usage, spin around near outskirts of Diamond city and your GPU usage drops to 45% and your frames go with it. I never could fix it. The games engine just didn’t know how to use a processor. I’m just glad this game is not like that. Anyways, I have 25 hours of playtime so far on my save game lol. It has been lots of fun! Heck, I have been playing it off and on all day long. 
 

Seeing the 7900XT performance makes me regret not grabbing one before when they were super cheap. But oh well, maybe Nvidia can work some magic for us with a new driver, enough people are complaining that something might just happen. 
 

Hooking my character up nicely. 
 

[KING19]

On 9/3/2023 at 7:36 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I can't see myself ever gaming on a console. I barely make any time for gaming on a PC and if I had to use a console and controller I would probably never play any games. The thought of it disgusts me. But, your point isn't lost. If you don't count the sloppy crap, the minimum system requirements of most games allow the use of weak and antiquated components.

 

Im a PC gamer but i use a controller when playing racing games like Forza and even GTA V on my laptop, Keyboard/Mouse for other games especially FPS games. The combination of badly optimized modern games and the high price of modern GPUs are slowly killing PC gaming, Not a good trend and i hope it stops but i doubt it will. Consoles are way more affordable now and PC gamers might start boycotting until things change.

[Mr. Fox]

48 minutes ago, KING19 said:

 

Im a PC gamer but i use a controller when playing racing games like Forza and even GTA V on my laptop, Keyboard/Mouse for other games especially FPS games. The combination of badly optimized modern games and the high price of modern GPUs are slowly killing PC gaming, Not a good trend and i hope it stops but i doubt it will. Consoles are way more affordable now and PC gamers might start boycotting until things change.

Could be. I sure hope not. If they do things will not recover. It will turn out like the thin and light turdbook filth if they do. Console will become the only medium for gaming. The only effective thing would be to boycott digital gaming of any kind and turn both PC and console inside-out. More affordable is not superior, it's just cheaper. If console gaming doesn't have to compete with PC gaming it will not stay cheaper. It will become more manipulated and far more expensive, and everyone that enjoys gaming will suffer because of it. NVIDIA doesn't care and AMD would love that. It would make life so much easier for AMD, and things would never be right again.

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yep, looks feels and plays like FO4/76. That's not a bad thing. I was able to jump right in. Graphics are clearly updated and I expect many hours of fun when I can fully dive in.

 

As for performance, Steve and GN did a CPU Benchmark/Bottleneck video with a 4090 and a checksum top end with the 7900xtx to show where CPUs give up the ghost. He also did some memory scaling (after the Buildzoid video) showing not much is gained from 6000 up to 7000 (~2fps) but I would have liked to have seen some 7600 and 8000+ testing just because....

 

This game seems to really like Intel 13th gen CPUs especially 13700/13900 and clearly outpace the X3D models including 7800X3D, 7950X3D and especially the 5800X3D.

 

Dropping resolution down to stupid levels (720p) shows not much of a difference between the 7900xtx and 4090 CPU wise. ~4fps but forcing the 13900k into a bottlenecked situation still shows the 7900xtx winning vs the 4090 at all useful resolutions (IE, resolutions and settings that can force a CPU bottleneck).

 

 

 

 

 

nice writeup, thanks for that. havent gotten around to watching it yet, but its on my playlist. this sounds like Starfield profits way more from raw jiggahertz than it does from increased cache sizes. curious to see how its performance numbers will develop with upcoming patches. especially on the cpu side there seems to be A LOT of performance still left on the table....

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The fighting is some of the best. I’ve been in moments where I go in a building and I’m fighting like 10 space pirates. And it’s different everytime you load that game and fight the same guys.
 

The game is very solid. I put like 8 hours in it just yesterday. 

I have no time spend 8 hours a day for gameing. Maybe 1/2 an hour to 3 quarters. That’s max when I have the time for this, LOOL 

 

And not everyday. Maybe 2 times a week when I have the time, HaHa

 

My dogs would kill me if I have done the same as you brother. Also my wife. Maybe I have been kicked out of our house with the head and face in front , LOOL
 

 

[kojack]

21 hours ago, Papusan said:

Spot on. Hardware is already dead on arrival. Look at me nvidia and your sucky 4060 (xx60 series cards) which usually is the Steam gamer kids cards. Now not good enough anymore. Jensen wants 1199$ to fulfill your gaming dreams. If you have two or three tens home this will cost you near 2400-3600$ if you don’t buy them an console. Happy you are an middle age man and with grown up kids bro @Mr. Fox? I’m. 
 

If I see the numbers correctly on my small phone. The vram problem with 8GB cards isn’t the main problem here. Just a crappy optimized game that needs the best of the best to run with good enough/stable fps. I could understand a  game running awful if you hit the vram buffer all time but if the game still runs as trash on barely 3 years old mid class hardware without this vram limitation then it’s awful. 
 

So in short.., Hardware will now have a lifespan at max 2 years cadence. That’s the awful here. And intended!! New hardware is already old when you buy it. You can’t even have a good experience with 500-600$ graphics cards anymore. Perverse!

 

And I’m not sure you can have a nice experience with previous gen cards as 3080(10GB) that nvidia said was their brand new 4K cards. What a joke. People should stop buying new modern graphics cards. Only spend a few dollars on consoles. This is the only fix for the situation we are in (for gamers). $500 cards useless…. 1199$ cards is 70% overpriced so very very bad value. 4090 not that massive price increase over previous gen but still bad value. What’s left? 

Ahhh Kids.  Mine are 25 and 17.  One is on his own working at a job he loves, the other is finishing high school this year, and will be with us forever. He has autism and I am getting everything set up now for when he's finished school, he will start working with me. I will be ditching the day job at Bell then and working from home full time with him.  The wife will be as well, she's dropping her job at the hospital here and moving to a home based remote line of work. 

 

We paid for every cent of our oldest going through university so he would not be saddled with debt once out.  Now, when we go visit, he buys us supper once a trip ha ha!

[kojack]

3 hours ago, KING19 said:

 

Im a PC gamer but i use a controller when playing racing games like Forza and even GTA V on my laptop, Keyboard/Mouse for other games especially FPS games. The combination of badly optimized modern games and the high price of modern GPUs are slowly killing PC gaming, Not a good trend and i hope it stops but i doubt it will. Consoles are way more affordable now and PC gamers might start boycotting until things change.

Yep, I can remember when 1500 bucks got you one of the top spec systems available.  Now that don't even pay for the video card.  It's bonkers.  

[Etern4l]

13 hours ago, ryan said:

is it fun in an action kinda way? or is it more story driven?

A story? It’s Bethesda lol

 

“You are a miner and so you mine. You”ve mined so hard you find an mystic artefact. Congratulations, you are automatically admitted to a secret club of artefact seekers”. 
 

Do they have 12 y.o. interns writing this stuff?

One review summed up this and all the other Bethesda games nicely: a journey a mile long and an inch deep.

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

I have no time spend 8 hours a day for gameing. Maybe 1/2 an hour to 3 quarters. That’s max when I have the time for this, LOOL 

 

And not everyday. Maybe 2 times a week when I have the time, HaHa

 

My dogs would kill me if I have done the same as you brother. Also my wife. Maybe I have been kicked out of our house with the head and face in front , LOOL
 

 

 

LOL i thought exactly the same thing when i read about that 8h gaming session 😄 1-2h freetime a day if im lucky hahaha. and half of that is spent doing household chores or paperwork.

 

1 hour ago, kojack said:

Yep, I can remember when 1500 bucks got you one of the top spec systems available.  Now that don't even pay for the video card.  It's bonkers.  

 

INFLATION! has nothing to do with corporate greed! /s

[Papusan]

46 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

LOL i thought exactly the same thing when i read about that 8h gaming session 😄 1-2h freetime a day if im lucky hahaha. and half of that is spent doing household.

 

INFLATION! has nothing to do with corporate greed! /s

I think bro Kojack meant 1500$ for a graphics card is 🤮 

You should be able to get a decent pc for same 1500$ if it wasn’t for the greed. The inflation shouldn’t stop you from getting such setup. The greed stops you. 

 

Etc +71% price hike isn’t inflation. Look at you 4080 vs 3080. That’s greed 😉 only the 4090 was kept under inflation goals. The rest of Nvidia’s lineup was purely greed. Same for the two Radeon 7900 graphics SKUs. 
 

Again exactly the same for motherboards. 40-50% upwards since Z590. Newest MSI Z790 refresh with the X moniker get another nice 15% on top of previous Z790 Skus from last year.  Barely better but 15% more expensive.
 

So today’s word has to be greeed. Not inflation 🙂

 

And enjoy the time with the lille. No more gaming for you bro Jaybee😁
 

 

[jaybee83]

16 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Kojack meant 1500$ for a graphics card is 🤮 
 

Etc +71% price hike isn’t inflation. Look at you 4080 vs 3080. That’s greed 😉 only the 4090 was kept under inflation goals. The rest of Nvidia’s lineup was purely greed. Same for the two Radeon 7900 graphics SKUs. 
 

Again exactly the same for motherboards. 40-50% upwards since Z590. Newest MSI Z790 refresh with the X moniker get another nice 15% on top of previous Z790 Skus from last year.  Barely better but 15% more expensive.
 

So today’s word has to be greeed. Not inflation 🙂

 

And enjoy the time with the lille. No more gaming for you bro Jaybee😁
 

 

 

36 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

LOL i thought exactly the same thing when i read about that 8h gaming session 😄 1-2h freetime a day if im lucky hahaha. and half of that is spent doing household chores or paperwork.

 

 

INFLATION! has nothing to do with corporate greed! /s

 

haha i should have elaborated: /s = sarcasm 😄 

 

thanks man, i DO enjoy the time with the lille skiderik hahaha

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

I have no time spend 8 hours a day for gameing. Maybe 1/2 an hour to 3 quarters. That’s max when I have the time for this, LOOL 

 

And not everyday. Maybe 2 times a week when I have the time, HaHa

 

My dogs would kill me if I have done the same as you brother. Also my wife. Maybe I have been kicked out of our house with the head and face in front , LOOL
 

 

I only do this every few years. I enjoy it while I can. I can remember each recent gaming event in order too lol. These games take years to make and launch, and once they do I game like crazy until I get bored with the titles. I hardly ever play games most times, and mostly not at all. A lot of games are chintzy and small and uninteresting. While some games can really keep you engaged. 

I may be missing some titles, but below are some recent ones where I spent hours and hours and hours gaming simultaneously. Most games may have my attention for like 1-20 minutes then it’s dropped forever lol. 

2003 (Morrowind Elderscrolls)

2007 (Fallout 3)

2010 (Fallout New Vegas)

2011 (Skyrim)
11/2015 (Fallout 4) 

02/2018 (Kingdom Come Deliverance)

11/2018 (Red Dead Redemption 2)

12/2020 (Cyberpunk 2077)

9/2023 (Starfield)

(What’s next?)

 

 

 

[Papusan]

Why will Asus only partially refund the smoked card? Any reason for this half-baked solution? Hope Cablemod pay the rest to cut their losses? That’s greedy bro @Mr. Fox

Or pretty shady practice. Either they refund every cent or throw him under the bus and let Cablemod pick up the pieces. Disgusting. 

And Cablemod continues with their QC problems. Several of the same last +3 months. Same with their adapters. Cut costs will always come at a price. Such mess is rarely seen from higher end PSU manufacturers. They don’t want to gamble with their reputation. Cheap Chinese PSU companies will do but not a quality company. And Cablemod only deal with the unknown Chinese companies https://ibb.co/VT69Y9Y

For me… No thanks. I rather stay with the OEM cables. Not cheapo made products to max out profits everywhere.

 

[kojack]

I am not sure, I think I may have to upgrade my console too.  OG Xbox. ha ha.  I love that thing. 

[Papusan]

Cutting edge tech is too difficult for engineers. Just the normal nowadays. Microsoft ain’t the only company that have sloopy engineers. We pay huge premium above inflation but get lackluster workmanship back in the face. 

 

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