*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[D2ultima]

What interested me about that user's 14700K on the last page was he managed to complete CB 2024 at stock speeds and his CPU only drew 107W

 

I'd like to know for anyone changing from 13th gen to 14th gen if the 14th gen products use less power or are easier to cool out the box, because that would solidify my desire for a 14700K at some point in the future. 8P cores and 12 E cores would be more than enough, and should be reasonably easy to cool if the rumors are true. I'm not really looking for maximum OCing here, but rather comfortable usage with enough power to handle anything thrown at it. Maybe a modest OC, etc.

[Papusan]

47 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

What interested me about that user's 14700K on the last page was he managed to complete CB 2024 at stock speeds and his CPU only drew 107W

 

I'd like to know for anyone changing from 13th gen to 14th gen if the 14th gen products use less power or are easier to cool out the box, because that would solidify my desire for a 14700K at some point in the future. 8P cores and 12 E cores would be more than enough, and should be reasonably easy to cool if the rumors are true. I'm not really looking for maximum OCing here, but rather comfortable usage with enough power to handle anything thrown at it. Maybe a modest OC, etc.

I don't think 14700K with 4 more e-cores and slightly higher boost clocks will be easier to cool down than the 13700K. Just look at the 13700K review from Techpowerup

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-13700k/23.html

 

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14900K 100MHz higher clock vs 13900KS with same voltage. But the MC is worse than for the 13900KS.

 

 

[electrosoft]

New BIOS for MSI X670e Carbon

 

I installed it and looking around it seems MSI lifted the +25mhz PBO cap and tightened up manual OC options a bit. My previous memory OC tuned works fine. I'll play around with it and the potential + PBO boost cap vs manual OC over the next week or so.

 

@Raiderman

 

 

[electrosoft]

38 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I don't think 14700K with 4 more e-cores and slightly higher boost clocks will be easier to cool down than the 13700K. Just look at the 13700K review from Techpowerup

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-13700k/23.html

 

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14900K 100MHz higher clock vs 13900KS with same voltage. But the MC is worse than for the 13900KS.

 

 

 

14900k vs 13900ks is really going to come down to silicon quality yet again and the disappointing MC on that 14900k shows there will be nothing special there too. It is also at the mercy of the silicon lottery.

 

If I had a 13900k or 13900ks, I wouldn't upgrade unless....UNLESS....you like binning out CPUs and fishing for killer bins both clocks and memory.

 

I always like the first 2-3 months of new chips as the data comes rushing in and we get clarity on how they stack up bin wise. 🙂

 

 

[Papusan]

On 10/13/2023 at 1:51 AM, Papusan said:

What I have seen with higher flow rate (add more pumps).... Doesn't really matter if the heat from the IHS/die doesn't move fast enough over to the coldplate. Dual pumps doesn't help much more than a single pump if the heat can't go fast enough out from the die over to the heatsink. Etc an delidded Cpu with direct die cooling will help much more than add a second or 3rd pump. The weak point is always the heat transfer out from the die and over to the coldplate, then to the water loop. 

 

On 10/13/2023 at 3:24 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, that is exactly right. The best cooling system in the world is limited by the ability of the water block to capture and remove the heat from the processor (CPU or GPU). Increasing flow rate won't help if the water block is already pulling the most it is capable of pulling.

 

Same thing with air cooling. Cranking the fan up to highest possible speeds and moving more air over the radiator fins won't do anything but create extra noise if the cold plate and heat pipes have reached their peak efficiency and ability to wick the heat from the processor and radiate that heat through the fins.

 

In either case you reach a plateau where nothing changes and the only additional steps are using different TIM and using colder air or colder coolant.

 

From 11:08

 

21 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

14900k vs 13900ks is really going to come down to silicon quality yet again and the disappointing MC on that 14900k shows there will be nothing special there too. It is also at the mercy of the silicon lottery.

 

If I had a 13900k or 13900ks, I wouldn't upgrade unless....UNLESS....you like binning out CPUs and fishing for killer bins both clocks and memory.

 

I always like the first 2-3 months of new chips as the data comes rushing in and we get clarity on how they stack up bin wise. 🙂

 

 

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-asus-strix-maximus-z790-owners-thread.1800191/post-29247416

 

I guess an ok'ish upgrade if you lost in the silicon lottery for 13900K or have an 12900K to max out the upgrade path for socket 1700. Cheaper than 13900KS is still something......

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

From 11:08

LOL, I watched that video the day it was released and it was an excellent example of...  

On 10/12/2023 at 6:24 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, that is exactly right. The best cooling system in the world is limited by the ability of the water block to capture and remove the heat from the processor (CPU or GPU). Increasing flow rate won't help if the water block is already pulling the most it is capable of pulling.

 

Same thing with air cooling. Cranking the fan up to highest possible speeds and moving more air over the radiator fins won't do anything but create extra noise if the cold plate and heat pipes have reached their peak efficiency and ability to wick the heat from the processor and radiate that heat through the fins.

 

In either case you reach a plateau where nothing changes and the only additional steps are using different TIM and using colder air or colder coolant.

...exactly the point I was making. It applies to air and water the same.  The thermal transfer bottle neck of TIM and thermal solution (air cooler or water block) reaches a point where there is nothing more you can do other than improve the quality of the materials you are using. Pushing more water or air won't change anything when you have maxed out the capacity of those elements.

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-asus-strix-maximus-z790-owners-thread.1800191/post-29247416

 

I guess an ok'ish upgrade if you lost in the silicon lottery for 13900K or have an 12900K to max out the upgrade path for socket 1700. Cheaper than 13900KS is still something......

 

It turned out pretty much like I thought it would. If you have a 13900k or ks, hard pass unless you're into binning chips. 🙂

 

You are going to encounter some cross over with substandard 14900k's and really good 13900ks both frequency and memory IMCs. Definitely cheaper but that doesn't help if the IMC sucks or if it fails to OC as far as a 13900ks in the 5.9ghz+ club.

 

Still, on average, I expect it to be better than 13900ks.

 

------13900k------

               ------13900ks------

                               -------14900k------

 

 

It will be fun to see the data rolling in over the next several months especially with some choice gem silicon lottery specimens float to the top.

 

Just like the 10900k was pushing 14nm+++++ to the edge and we didn't see a 10900ks, I think there's a very good chance we won't see a 14900ks but you never know.

 

The real winners are those who are building out new systems or upgrading 11th gen or below. They get to step right into 14th gen.

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

On 10/16/2023 at 1:43 PM, Papusan said:

No price increase for the Intel Core 14000 series

• Processors
• today 11:22

Fresh images confirm that the Core 14000 "Raptor Lake Refresh" for desktops will retain the same target price as the previous generation.

 

 

welp, same price for same product right? 😄 

 

22 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Step two. Ordered the 14900K. Only 3 stock left now 🙂 7790,- nok = $711 USD or $569 without tax. So cheaper than Intel's $589 MSRP without the Norwegian tax. Will arrive Papusan's plaza between 18-24 October.

 

 

Yep that's  good news. In facts $569 without the dreaded Norwegian tax means cheaper than Intel's MSRP 🙂 And this in the hight cost country as Norway.

 

Edit. The only difference between 14900K vs 13900KS I can spot is the one bin higher clocks on the baby cores. Yup, Intel know how to milk.

 

 

kool man, i expect the full deetz on your personal comparison between 13th and 14th gen 🙂 u got a 13900K or KS now?

 

16 hours ago, electrosoft said:

De8auer crapping all over 14th gen....

 

Please note when he shows the chips side by side you can see thermal residue on both so you know he is speaking from a position of having already tested it and I suspect tomorrow's results are going to show big 'ole nothing burger but on the positive side Intel keeps the pricing the same and gives you a nice bin up from 13900k -> 14900k at no increased cost so I see no problems with this refresh.

 

If you're a new buyer who was going to get a 13900k you now just get a 14900k for the same price and carry on with a very modest performance boost.

 

 

 

 

yup nothing surprising tho. only thing i would be interested in is the efficiency, hoping for higher clocks at same voltage, should be interesting in light of me planning to put that into my lady's Clevo 😛 

[cylix]

 

 

 

[tps3443]

The new Z790 Apex Encore is on Newegg for $649.99.

 

 

[D2ultima]

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

I don't think 14700K with 4 more e-cores and slightly higher boost clocks will be easier to cool down than the 13700K. Just look at the 13700K review from Techpowerup

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-13700k/23.html

 

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14900K 100MHz higher clock vs 13900KS with same voltage. But the MC is worse than for the 13900KS.

 

 

Well it was a simple matter of if draw less power it generally easier to cool, since my undervolted 13600K pulled 150W in CB R23. I know R23 and 2024 doesn't correlate, but that's why I wanted to see power draws, and was hopeful seeing a max power draw of 107W for essentially the same perf that 200W gets last gen. Which would be a nice miracle

 

Edit: Seems it was but wishful thinking according to the GN benches. 13600k for life it is

Edited October 17, 2023 by D2ultima

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

 

 

 

 

lulz if those thumbnails are anything to go by we shouldnt expect much.... 😅 will be sure to have looksie later!

[cylix]

26 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

lulz if those thumbnails are anything to go by we shouldnt expect much.... 😅 will be sure to have looksie later!

Plotwist: It's Not!. Intel Marketing Department did their job though 😁

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

It turned out pretty much like I thought it would. If you have a 13900k or ks, hard pass unless you're into binning chips. 🙂

 

You are going to encounter some cross over with substandard 14900k's and really good 13900ks both frequency and memory IMCs. Definitely cheaper but that doesn't help if the IMC sucks or if it fails to OC as far as a 13900ks in the 5.9ghz+ club.

 

Still, on average, I expect it to be better than 13900ks.

 

------13900k------

               ------13900ks------

                               -------14900k------

 

 

It will be fun to see the data rolling in over the next several months especially with some choice gem silicon lottery specimens float to the top.

 

Just like the 10900k was pushing 14nm+++++ to the edge and we didn't see a 10900ks, I think there's a very good chance we won't see a 14900ks but you never know.

 

The real winners are those who are building out new systems or upgrading 11th gen or below. They get to step right into 14th gen.

 

 

 

 

 

The elite will always get the good one. Hope some of us others also can geat an nice "retail" sample... Because we won't get handpicked samples

 

 https://hwbot.org/submission/5374278_elmor_cpu_frequency_core_i9_14900kf_(8p)_9043.92_mhz

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5374309_fredyama_superpi___32m_core_i9_14900k_(8p)_3min_3sec_230ms

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5374257_ogs_hwbot_x265_benchmark___4k_core_i9_14900kf_(8p)_41.14_fps

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5374260_ogs_cinebench___r20_core_i9_14900kf_(8p)_12490_cb

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5374258_ogs_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i9_14900k_(8p)_32626_cb

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5374309_fredyama_superpi___32m_core_i9_14900k_(8p)_3min_3sec_230ms

 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5374286_lupin_no_musume_memory_frequency_ddr5_sdram_5806.5_mhz

 

 

@jaybee83My oldest son got my Z690 board and 13900K for free due he helped me with my dog when I and my wife was on summer vaccation. Hence I ordered the new Z790 Apex Encore board and 14900K. Othervise really no need for the upgrade sidegrade. I was just lucky with the time I ordered the 14900K. It was on discount on launch day here home🙂 And that's not normal here home.

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

The real winners are those who are building out new systems or upgrading 11th gen or below. They get to step right into 14th gen.

There is no question in my mind that 14900K will be, on average, a little bit better than 13900KS, just as the 13900KS was, on average, a little better than a 13900K. Your comment above is spot-on. It reflects the intelligence of taking a non-chalant wait-and-see approach and not shooting until you see the whites of their eyes. Early adoption always carries a penalty. The older I get, the more I have come to recognize early adoption as an extremely foolish behavior and frivolous way of squandering financial resources. We all feel compelled to scratch when we have an itch, but scratching an itch seldom makes it better. In some cases it makes it worse. Best to ignore it to the extent you are able to.

 

For those that already own a 13900KS, chances are slim that the 14900K will provide a bump in performance that is worth spend another $600. Definitely would fall into the "for entertainment purposes only" with no practical benefit to be realized. It might be "worth it" if you have a below-average 13th Gen CPU that uses a ton of voltage, overheats and sucks at overclocking.

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The new Z790 Apex Encore is on Newegg for $649.99.

 

Be happy you don't live in U.K or in the colder and rainy place long up here in the North 🙂

 

Retail in U.K want $915.21 USD. Or you better say you have to pay 41% above your U.S friends. Some are blessed with less greedy Governments and less greedy retail shops. 

 

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-rog-maximus-z790-apex-encore-intel-z790-s-1700-ddr5-pcie-50-5x-m2-25gbe-wifi-7-atx

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

It might be "worth it" if you have a below-average 13th Gen CPU that uses a ton of voltage, overheats and sucks at overclocking.

 

Or an 12900K and you need the 45-50% higher multi threaded performance. But if you want an very snappy Cpu then keep your older 10th or 11th gen Cpu. That one's will serve you better🙂

[tps3443]

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Be happy you don't live in U.K or in the colder and rainy place long up here in the North 🙂

 

Retail in U.K want $915.21 USD. Or you better say you have to pay 41% above your U.S friends. Some are blessed with less greedy Governments and less greedy retail shops. 

 

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-rog-maximus-z790-apex-encore-intel-z790-s-1700-ddr5-pcie-50-5x-m2-25gbe-wifi-7-atx

 

I pre-ordered that Encore, so I would have time to think on it until the 10/20 release. And they just texted me and said it’s already in packaging 🤷‍♂️

 

[Papusan]

2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I pre-ordered that Encore, so I would have time to think on it until the 10/20 release. And they just texted me and said it’s already in packaging 🤷‍♂️

 

 

Close to 10% state tax above the advertised price? Or do they also charge shipping on top? 

[tps3443]

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Close to 10% state tax above the advertised price? Or do they also charge shipping on top? 

It was $695 after 7.75% sales tax. But I opted for faster shipping which added another $13. The free Newegg shipping for me, is the absolute worst! Newegg knows people are impatient, and they know we don’t wanna wait 4-7 days for their super slowver shipping option 😂

 

@Papusannewegg changed it to available now. it’s not a pre-order anymore. 
 

 

 

[Papusan]

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

I don't think 14700K with 4 more e-cores and slightly higher boost clocks will be easier to cool down than the 13700K. Just look at the 13700K review from Techpowerup

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-13700k/23.html

 

3 hours ago, D2ultima said:

Well it was a simple matter of if draw less power it generally easier to cool, since my undervolted 13600K pulled 150W in CB R23. I know R23 and 2024 doesn't correlate, but that's why I wanted to see power draws, and was hopeful seeing a max power draw of 107W for essentially the same perf that 200W gets last gen. Which would be a nice miracle

 

Edit: Seems it was but wishful thinking according to the GN benches. 13600k for life it is

 

Here we go....

 

Test : Intel i9-14900K, i7-14700K et i5-14600K overclocking.com
https://overclocking.com/test-intel-i9-14900k-i7-14700k-et-i5-14600k/

 

The final word :

You will have understood, we were not excited by this 14th generation and that is quite logical since it is only a refresh. It's difficult to recommend these processors if you are already equipped with a 13th generation CPU, especially since the socket of the next motherboards may also change. Now, if you are switching to the LGA-1700 socket for the first time , then look at the price differences between these two generations of processors and opt for the best performance/price ratio.

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Here we go....

 

Test : Intel i9-14900K, i7-14700K et i5-14600K overclocking.com
https://overclocking.com/test-intel-i9-14900k-i7-14700k-et-i5-14600k/

 

The final word :

You will have understood, we were not excited by this 14th generation and that is quite logical since it is only a refresh. It's difficult to recommend these processors if you are already equipped with a 13th generation CPU, especially since the socket of the next motherboards may also change. Now, if you are switching to the LGA-1700 socket for the first time , then look at the price differences between these two generations of processors and opt for the best performance/price ratio.

 

I guess I’ll ride out on Z790/13900KS for a while. It’s really just so fast… Honestly, our typical CPU’s are ridiculously powerful. I remember when I had my 7980XE@5Ghz which was such a beast, then I moved to a lesser but more practical 10900K. It was a massive trade off, and I lost enough multithreaded performance where I could no longer run VR, and games simultaneously on the 10900K/11900K. But, we are at a point where mainstream chips smash that 5Ghz 18/36 core behemoth, and they can actually do these heavy multitask things easily. This makes me think that Z790 platform and 13900K/KS is gonna be super practical for a very long time. And it may even turn in to the long term gaming king like 10900K was and is.

[Raiderman]

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

New BIOS for MSI X670e Carbon

 

I installed it and looking around it seems MSI lifted the +25mhz PBO cap and tightened up manual OC options a bit. My previous memory OC tuned works fine. I'll play around with it and the potential + PBO boost cap vs manual OC over the next week or so.

 

@Raiderman

 

 

Thanks for the heads up bro! I will grab it tonight, and check it out.

[tps3443]

Apex Encore shipped. 

[jaybee83]

lets see what zen 5 will bring to the table, but still got a bit of a wait until 2024...

 

until then, currently enjoying Control fully maxxed out (no upscaling crap) at 4K with HDR and mods....holy guacamole with my 4090 running between 3045-3120 mhz on core and 24+ Gbps (+1525 Mhz) on the vRAM im in the range of 40-60 FPS *LOL* gpu alone is drawing up to 800+ W, glad im on the TX-1600 psu, its not breaking a sweat 😁

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I pre-ordered that Encore, so I would have time to think on it until the 10/20 release. And they just texted me and said it’s already in packaging 🤷‍♂️

 

 

You need new ram for the new board😁 But as usual... Expect they don't come for cheap. 

G.Skill Shows Off DDR5-8600 RAM for Raptor Lake Refresh CPUs

 

G.Skill didn't reveal the pricing for either the DDR5-8400 or the DDR5-8600 memory kits. Cutting-edge memory kits are never cheap so expect to pay a significant premium for them. As for availability, we should see the new Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-8400 and DDR5-8600 memory kits by the end of the month.