*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[D2ultima]

Mmmm 8600MHz RAM

 

Gimme gimme gimme

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

You need new ram for the new board😁 But as usual... Expect they don't come for cheap. 

G.Skill Shows Off DDR5-8600 RAM for Raptor Lake Refresh CPUs

 

G.Skill didn't reveal the pricing for either the DDR5-8400 or the DDR5-8600 memory kits. Cutting-edge memory kits are never cheap so expect to pay a significant premium for them. As for availability, we should see the new Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-8400 and DDR5-8600 memory kits by the end of the month.

 

Wait, so all that work I did removing those stock heatspreaders and that adhesive on my current set, I have to do again? 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

Wait, so all that work I did removing those stock heatspreaders and that adhesive on my current set, I have to do again? 

😀😁😀

 

 

And the same will repeat once again we' see 8800 or 9000 kits, LOOL

 

 

Please don't forget renew your old chair as well. To cool your wallet in the back pocket😁 

 

 

Cougar's latest gaming chair comes with an integrated RGB fan

[Papusan]

Back to the 'Raptor refresh......

 

Anyone have seen this disgusting behaviour?  @Mr. Fox Look at this beauty. Both from Redmond and Asus. If this is correct. Then why make these changes in the firmware?

 

Slower than a year ago: BIOS, Windows? Mitigations?

In the test of the three new K-CPUs of the 14th generation Core, the behavior was noticeable again - clearly: Core i9-14900K and Core 5-14600K were no faster in applications than their predecessors, which were released in autumn 2022 on the then current BIOS and Windows 11 were measured. Lo and behold, when the Core i9-13900K and Core i5-13600K were re-measured on the same current platform using the same CPUs used a year ago, they were 2 to 3 percent slower.

An influence from other settings can be ruled out. The cause must be found in the BIOS, in any “mitigations” against known CPU security gaps via the microcode or via Windows updates or in Windows itself. What led to this could not be determined in such a short time, but all three old K-CPUs were run through the application course again for a perfect comparison. The new measurement results are marked “10/2023”, but the old ones from the end of 2022 are still included.

 

Asus controls the 13th and 14th Gen differently

Another noticeable feature concerns the BIOS 1303 for the Asus ROG Z790 Maximus Hero: It controls CPUs of the 13th Gen Core in the “Auto” setting for the performance limits PL1 (“Processor Base Power” = PBP = long-term limit) that is active as standard at the factory. and PL2 (“Multi Turbo Power” = MTP = short-term limit) does not start with PL1 = PL2 = Auto = 4,095 watts as before, but sets PL1 to the 253 watts specified by Intel - this value applies after 96 seconds. The new core CPUs of the 14th generation are addressed as usual - albeit outside the official specifications - with PL1 = PL2 = Auto = 4,095 watts.

 

 

i9-14900K, i7-14700K & i5-14600K in the test: The last core CPUs of their kind against AMD Ryzen 7000 computerbase.com
 

[saturnotaku]

When it comes to power consumption, Raptor Lake refresh is Rocket Lake on steroids.

 

[Talon]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Back to the 'Raptor refresh......

 

Anyone have seen this disgusting behaviour?  @Mr. Fox Look at this beauty. Both from Redmond and Asus. If this is correct. Then why make these changes in the firmware?

 

Slower than a year ago: BIOS, Windows? Mitigations?

In the test of the three new K-CPUs of the 14th generation Core, the behavior was noticeable again - clearly: Core i9-14900K and Core 5-14600K were no faster in applications than their predecessors, which were released in autumn 2022 on the then current BIOS and Windows 11 were measured. Lo and behold, when the Core i9-13900K and Core i5-13600K were re-measured on the same current platform using the same CPUs used a year ago, they were 2 to 3 percent slower.

An influence from other settings can be ruled out. The cause must be found in the BIOS, in any “mitigations” against known CPU security gaps via the microcode or via Windows updates or in Windows itself. What led to this could not be determined in such a short time, but all three old K-CPUs were run through the application course again for a perfect comparison. The new measurement results are marked “10/2023”, but the old ones from the end of 2022 are still included.

 

Asus controls the 13th and 14th Gen differently

Another noticeable feature concerns the BIOS 1303 for the Asus ROG Z790 Maximus Hero: It controls CPUs of the 13th Gen Core in the “Auto” setting for the performance limits PL1 (“Processor Base Power” = PBP = long-term limit) that is active as standard at the factory. and PL2 (“Multi Turbo Power” = MTP = short-term limit) does not start with PL1 = PL2 = Auto = 4,095 watts as before, but sets PL1 to the 253 watts specified by Intel - this value applies after 96 seconds. The new core CPUs of the 14th generation are addressed as usual - albeit outside the official specifications - with PL1 = PL2 = Auto = 4,095 watts.

 

 

i9-14900K, i7-14700K & i5-14600K in the test: The last core CPUs of their kind against AMD Ryzen 7000 computerbase.com
 

 

This is fake news. At least from what I found. I updated to latest BIOS for my Z790 Apex and 14900K today after I snagged one. 

 

My long term PWL was set to 253w with 14900K. Odd. I of course removed that and went about my business as usual. 

 

56 minutes ago, saturnotaku said:

When it comes to power consumption, Raptor Lake refresh is Rocket Lake on steroids.

 

 

To be fair, 22w average power consumption increase for 200mhz at the very top end of what is possible silicon wise is not that bad. Normally when chasing that tippy top, power consumption would go through the roof, but 22w isn't that bad. And it will vary chip to chip, so comparing 1 chip vs another chip isn't exactly science or what everyone will get. There is just too much chip to chip silicon variance. It is entirely possible you will get a chip that consumes less power than previous gen with higher clocks. 

 

I got a pretty low binned SP93 14900K from MC today. They would only let me buy one which sucks, but I have another coming from Egg tomorrow so hoping I get a slightly better chip. 

 

But from my limited testing this thing smokes my 13900K/KS in terms of capabilities for a given voltage. And boy does it ever love to get hot and suck down power though. IMC seems about the exact same as my 13900K launch edition which was above average IMO for a standard K. I never had a good KS, so I can't comment on those, but I would imagine if you have a good KS, don't even bother attempting to beat it. Unless you're sick in the head like myself. 

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

When it comes to power consumption, Raptor Lake refresh is Rocket Lake on steroids.

 

 

A better review from Techpowerup..... But yep... Intel put the standard regarding power hog😀

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-14900k/23.html

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

This is fake news. At least from what I found. I updated to latest BIOS for my Z790 Apex and 14900K today after I snagged one. 

 

My long term PWL was set to 253w with 14900K. Odd. I of course removed that and went about my business as usual. 

 

Maybe. But it could also mean Asus have done it for the different Asus Z790 boards. You have the Apex (their OC board).

 

Edit. See bro @Falkentyne's post here https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-asus-strix-maximus-z790-owners-thread.1800191/post-29247975

 

I know what you're talking about.
Bios 0036 (maximus z790 Extreme), March 15 2023, 13900k: Cinebench R23, 5.5/4.3/4.5, score=14800

Bios 1303: Score 13990.

[cylix]

"SUPER" is back 😆, maybe.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rumored-to-be-preparing-geforce-rtx-4080-4070-super-graphics-cards

[jaybee83]

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

You need new ram for the new board😁 But as usual... Expect they don't come for cheap. 

G.Skill Shows Off DDR5-8600 RAM for Raptor Lake Refresh CPUs

 

G.Skill didn't reveal the pricing for either the DDR5-8400 or the DDR5-8600 memory kits. Cutting-edge memory kits are never cheap so expect to pay a significant premium for them. As for availability, we should see the new Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-8400 and DDR5-8600 memory kits by the end of the month.

 

9 hours ago, D2ultima said:

Mmmm 8600MHz RAM

 

Gimme gimme gimme

 

lulz, DDR5 is a blast when it comes to iterations in quick succession, couple that with CRAZYILY dropping prices on the existing kits hahaha. but lets see on availability, 8200 kits, at least in europe, are veeeeery few and far between....

 

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

Back to the 'Raptor refresh......

 

Anyone have seen this disgusting behaviour?  @Mr. Fox Look at this beauty. Both from Redmond and Asus. If this is correct. Then why make these changes in the firmware?

 

Slower than a year ago: BIOS, Windows? Mitigations?

In the test of the three new K-CPUs of the 14th generation Core, the behavior was noticeable again - clearly: Core i9-14900K and Core 5-14600K were no faster in applications than their predecessors, which were released in autumn 2022 on the then current BIOS and Windows 11 were measured. Lo and behold, when the Core i9-13900K and Core i5-13600K were re-measured on the same current platform using the same CPUs used a year ago, they were 2 to 3 percent slower.

An influence from other settings can be ruled out. The cause must be found in the BIOS, in any “mitigations” against known CPU security gaps via the microcode or via Windows updates or in Windows itself. What led to this could not be determined in such a short time, but all three old K-CPUs were run through the application course again for a perfect comparison. The new measurement results are marked “10/2023”, but the old ones from the end of 2022 are still included.

 

Asus controls the 13th and 14th Gen differently

Another noticeable feature concerns the BIOS 1303 for the Asus ROG Z790 Maximus Hero: It controls CPUs of the 13th Gen Core in the “Auto” setting for the performance limits PL1 (“Processor Base Power” = PBP = long-term limit) that is active as standard at the factory. and PL2 (“Multi Turbo Power” = MTP = short-term limit) does not start with PL1 = PL2 = Auto = 4,095 watts as before, but sets PL1 to the 253 watts specified by Intel - this value applies after 96 seconds. The new core CPUs of the 14th generation are addressed as usual - albeit outside the official specifications - with PL1 = PL2 = Auto = 4,095 watts.

 

 

i9-14900K, i7-14700K & i5-14600K in the test: The last core CPUs of their kind against AMD Ryzen 7000 computerbase.com
 

 

i saw that as well on computerbase, very sus.... best case its indeed related to security mitigations.

 

6 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

When it comes to power consumption, Raptor Lake refresh is Rocket Lake on steroids.

 

 

shoot, i was hoping for better efficiency. although @Talon's initial impression lets me still hope when one takes the manual tuning route.

 

20 minutes ago, cylix said:

"SUPER" is back 😆, maybe.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rumored-to-be-preparing-geforce-rtx-4080-4070-super-graphics-cards

 

if Blackwell is really only released ibn 2025 theyll of course need something to sell in the meantime (or rather, something to scare off any sensible buyers, as with the rest of this GREAT VALUE gpu gen 😄 )

[Mr. Fox]

I still have more work to do to finish setting this up. I have to get more tubing to connect the chiller to the empty QD3 male fitting shown in the video and I need to redo the tank insulation to make it fit the tank a bit tighter. I am going to install a Y-splitter with ball valves so I can change between chiller and radiator without having to disconnect QD3 fittings, just by opening one valve and closing the other and vice versa. The radiator and chiller have discrete inlet ports on the tank to accommodate that.

 

I resolved the swelling tank and trapped air issue that Brother @tps3443was having by installing a pressure relief ventilation tube on one of the ports and rather than building pressure (these tanks are not designed to be pressurized) it simply routes any overflow coolant and air to the top fill port on my first D5 pump reservoir. I used a T-adapter for the QDC with a G1/4 plug on top so I can top off the coolant or bleed off any air that gets trapped there.

 

Here is a quickie video showing the current status. It's unlisted on my channel and I will do a complete one with audio later.

 

 

[jaybee83]

i just saw this article, thought about NBT and had to chuckle....

 

FINALLY "BARELY ADEQUATE" COOLING FOR THE LIKES OF US HERE! 🤣

 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-and-submer-develop-immersion-cooling-for-1000w-cpus

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, cylix said:

"SUPER" is back 😆, maybe.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rumored-to-be-preparing-geforce-rtx-4080-4070-super-graphics-cards

Cute new names.... As etc Ti Super. What a <<<joke. 

 

On 10/17/2023 at 6:49 AM, electrosoft said:

 

Hmmm, I just checked Best Buy on a whim and out of the 9 models they carry they are out of stock on 6 of them so there might be some validity to a shortage. They are completely sold out / no stock of all the $1600 models. The few Gigabyte models they have are all up in price to $1700 and $1750 now.

 

Out of Newegg's 18 models shipped and sold by Newegg, 8 are out of stock and the lone $1599.99 model they carry (PNY) is out of stock.

 

Interesting....

 

Hmmm. How will this affect the shortage of 4090 ? And what with the prices? @electrosoft @Mr. Fox

U.S. Govt Restricts Shipments of GeForce RTX 4090 to China, Other Countries

 

Starting from November 16, 2023, Nvidia will be unable to ship its A100, A800, H100, H800, L40, L40S, and GeForce RTX 4090 cards and modules for AI and HPC computing to China, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Vietnam without an export license from the U.S. Department of Commerce's Bureau of Industry and Security. 

 

Transferring production to Taiwan is perhaps not a problem for the vast majority of brands as the vast majority of them are headquartered in Taiwan. There is one big exception, though. Colorful, which is one of Nvidia's major customers and which happens to be one of the world's largest makers of graphics cards, only operates in China. It is possible that Nvidia will attempt to supply as many AD102 GPUs to its partner as possible in the coming weeks, though it remains to be seen how this affects the supply of GeForce RTX 4090 products in other countries. 

 

In fact, the restrictions are so severe that shipments of Nvidia's AD102 processors are also restricted, which may have an impact on the supply of GeForce RTX 4090 graphics cards.

 

 

U.S. to restrict shipment of NVIDIA H800 and RTX 4090 GPUs to China videocardz.com

 

NVIDIA is now confronted with a significant challenge, particularly concerning its consumer-grade RTX 4090 series. There are numerous companies in China involved in the final packaging of these cards, and many board partners exclusively operate in this country.

 

It’s worth noting that the new set of requirements is set to take effect in just 29 days, which means that NVIDIA has a relatively short window to address and adapt to these regulatory changes.

 

 

Nvidia stock falls after US government restricts export of H800, A800, and RTX 4090 to China

 

Nvidia's previously skyrocketing stock has fallen almost 5% following news that the US government has extended its ban on chip exports to China. Team Green will no longer be able to sell its A800 and H800 GPUs to entities within the Asian nation, and even the RTX 4090 falls under the new rules.

 

[saturnotaku]

6 hours ago, cylix said:

"SUPER" is back 😆, maybe.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rumored-to-be-preparing-geforce-rtx-4080-4070-super-graphics-cards

 

Come CES, I expect we'll see 14th-gen CPUs + RTX 4000 Super GPUs in gaming laptops. My question is whether or not the potential 4070 Super will still have 8 GB of VRAM. I say no that it will come with 10 GB so NVIDIA can say they've listened to people's concerns while maintaining that separation between it and the 4080.

[tps3443]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I still have more work to do to finish setting this up. I have to get more tubing to connect the chiller to the empty QD3 male fitting shown in the video and I need to redo the tank insulation to make it fit the tank a bit tighter. I am going to install a Y-splitter with ball valves so I can change between chiller and radiator without having to disconnect QD3 fittings, just by opening one valve and closing the other and vice versa. The radiator and chiller have discrete inlet ports on the tank to accommodate that.

 

I resolved the swelling tank and trapped air issue that Brother @tps3443was having by installing a pressure relief ventilation tube on one of the ports and rather than building pressure (these tanks are not designed to be pressurized) it simply routes any overflow coolant and air to the top fill port on my first D5 pump reservoir. I used a T-adapter for the QDC with a G1/4 plug on top so I can top off the coolant or bleed off any air that gets trapped there.

 

Here is a quickie video showing the current status. It's unlisted on my channel and I will do a complete one with audio later.

 

 

It really was a tricky setup adding the tank, and that’s a nifty setup you’ve got, some of your tips you did would have work so well in my exact application lol.
 

 

I did want to mention this though. Sometimes it can be assembled and have no issues at all, and we won’t have pressure in the tank. It makes me want to tear my entire loop apart, order 25ft of tubing, and start the heck over from scratch 🤣

 

This pics below are of a kid’s setup that I helped build his first custom loop ever. From ordering the best parts, to assembly. He has no air at all that reaches his tank. And his tank is totally air tight, without pressurizing. His desktop PC is only water chilling the cpu/ram only. It uses (2) Eheim 1260 pumps, your exact A Customs 5 gallon tank, and a JBJ 1/3HP 4,000BTU chiller sitting below the tank. His setup is a Z790 Dark with a 13700K on Supercool Direct die Gen12, he has Supercool DDR5 blocks on his ram as well. 

[Mr. Fox]

58 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Hmmm. How will this affect the shortage of 4090 ? And what with the prices? @electrosoft @Mr. Fox

U.S. Govt Restricts Shipments of GeForce RTX 4090 to China, Other Countries

We already know AI is being, and will continue to be, abused by people and companies that we should be able to trust and can't. It will be abused even more by our enemies and those that are untrustworthy and should be viewed as enemies. So, it is good that export of products used for AI will be restricted to countries that are socialist, communist, Marxist, have ties with terrorists, or have demonstrated anti-American and anti-American-ally behavior. We should be looking out for #1 first and our allies second, and do everything within our power to prevent our enemies from being successful at anything. We should expand this to include a ban of all forms of trade and exports of anything and everything to those nations and groups... excommunicado.

  

12 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

It really was a tricky setup adding the tank, and that’s a nifty setup you’ve got, some of your tips you did would have work so well in my exact application lol.
 

 

I did want to mention this though. Sometimes it can be assembled and have no issues at all, and we won’t have pressure in the tank. It makes me want to tear my entire loop apart, order 25ft of tubing, and start the heck over from scratch 🤣

 

This pics below are of a kid’s setup that I helped build his first custom loop ever. From ordering the best parts, to assembly. He has no air at all that reaches his tank. And his tank is totally air tight, without pressurizing. His desktop PC is only water chilling the cpu/ram only. It uses (2) Eheim 1260 pumps, your exact A Customs 5 gallon tank, and a JBJ 1/3HP 4,000BTU chiller sitting below the tank. His setup is a Z790 Dark with a 13700K on Supercool Direct die Gen12, he has Supercool DDR5 blocks on his ram as well. 

That is a nice setup. Looks great.

 

Still nothing from Supercool about my missing RAM block parts. The initial response was an apology and promise to send the pieces immediately, but two inquiries asking for a tracking number have been met with silence and nothing has shown up yet. At this point I wish I had just purchased the Bykski parts like I am already using on the Z690 Dark memory. Would have cost me half as much and I would already be setup. They got my money over a month ago.

[tps3443]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

We already know AI is being, and will continue to be, abused by people and companies that we should be able to trust and can't. It will be abused even more by our enemies and those that are untrustworthy and should be viewed as enemies. So, it is good that export of products used for AI will be restricted to countries that are socialist, communist, Marxist, have ties with terrorists, or have demonstrated anti-American and anti-American-ally behavior. We should be looking out for #1 first and our allies second, and do everything within our power to prevent our enemies from being successful at anything. We should expand this to include a ban of all forms of trade and exports of anything and everything to those nations and groups... excommunicado.

  

That is a nice setup. Looks great.

 

Still nothing from Supercool about my missing RAM block parts. The initial response was an apology and promise to send the pieces immediately, but two inquiries asking for a tracking number have been met with silence and nothing has shown up yet. At this point I wish I had just purchased the Bykski parts like I am already using. Would have cost me half as much and I would already be setup. They got my money over a month ago.

That guy at supercool has always been bad with communication. I am going to guess and say they are on the way, and he’s just not responding because he does that lol. But, there may be some people in the US who have some spares. I know of a few people on overclock forums who ordered double for backup parts. They may come off a backplate and (3) screws. I would post something in the DDR5 overclocking thread on overclock forums, and in the ROG Z790 forums. Most all of these guys are running Supercool blocks. And I remember seeing a few order two sets. 

[Mr. Fox]

14 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

That guy at supercool has always been bad with communication. I am going to guess and say they are on the way, and he’s just not responding because he does that lol. But, there may be some people in the US who have some spares. I know of a few people on overclock forums who ordered double for backup parts. They may come off a backplate and (3) screws. I would post something in the DDR5 overclocking thread on overclock forums, and in the ROG Z790 forums. Most all of these guys are running Supercool blocks. And I remember seeing a few order two sets. 

I just sent my third inquiry on their web site and directly to their gmail. I will give it one more week and if I don't have the parts or an email reply with definitive information I will dispute the charges with PayPal and get my money back. I have no time for nonsense with people that do not manage a business in a businesslike manner. I doubt I will ever buy anything from them again.

[tps3443]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I just sent my third inquiry on their web site and directly to their gmail. I will give it one more week and if I don't have the parts or an email reply with definitive information I will dispute the charges with PayPal and get my money back. I have no time for nonsense with people that do not manage a business in a businesslike manner. I doubt I will ever buy anything from them again.

These blocks are so good too! Man, I wonder if you could take that plate off the one and 3D print a plastic replica lol. Or maybe get some thin steel and make one. 
 

I would file a claim either way, but definitely try to make them work. They are worth it! 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Cute new names.... As etc Ti Super. What a <<<joke. 

 

 

Hmmm. How will this affect the shortage of 4090 ? And what with the prices? @electrosoft @Mr. Fox

U.S. Govt Restricts Shipments of GeForce RTX 4090 to China, Other Countries

 

Starting from November 16, 2023, Nvidia will be unable to ship its A100, A800, H100, H800, L40, L40S, and GeForce RTX 4090 cards and modules for AI and HPC computing to China, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Vietnam without an export license from the U.S. Department of Commerce's Bureau of Industry and Security. 

 

Transferring production to Taiwan is perhaps not a problem for the vast majority of brands as the vast majority of them are headquartered in Taiwan. There is one big exception, though. Colorful, which is one of Nvidia's major customers and which happens to be one of the world's largest makers of graphics cards, only operates in China. It is possible that Nvidia will attempt to supply as many AD102 GPUs to its partner as possible in the coming weeks, though it remains to be seen how this affects the supply of GeForce RTX 4090 products in other countries. 

 

In fact, the restrictions are so severe that shipments of Nvidia's AD102 processors are also restricted, which may have an impact on the supply of GeForce RTX 4090 graphics cards.

 

 

U.S. to restrict shipment of NVIDIA H800 and RTX 4090 GPUs to China videocardz.com

 

NVIDIA is now confronted with a significant challenge, particularly concerning its consumer-grade RTX 4090 series. There are numerous companies in China involved in the final packaging of these cards, and many board partners exclusively operate in this country.

 

It’s worth noting that the new set of requirements is set to take effect in just 29 days, which means that NVIDIA has a relatively short window to address and adapt to these regulatory changes.

 

 

Nvidia stock falls after US government restricts export of H800, A800, and RTX 4090 to China

 

Nvidia's previously skyrocketing stock has fallen almost 5% following news that the US government has extended its ban on chip exports to China. Team Green will no longer be able to sell its A800 and H800 GPUs to entities within the Asian nation, and even the RTX 4090 falls under the new rules.

 

 

Hollow gesture.

 

China will unofficially get the GPUs one way or the other.

 

5 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

 

Come CES, I expect we'll see 14th-gen CPUs + RTX 4000 Super GPUs in gaming laptops. My question is whether or not the potential 4070 Super will still have 8 GB of VRAM. I say no that it will come with 10 GB so NVIDIA can say they've listened to people's concerns while maintaining that separation between it and the 4080.

 

 

I just returned my second Asus G18 (13980HX + 4080) a few days ago to Best Buy. I'll wait for the next wave of laptops to see if I'm going to snag one. My NH55 is holding it down for me right now along with being tinkering central.

 

I couldn't stomach having to use Armory Crate to enable full package power for the CPU and GPU. Without running Armory Crate and setting to Turbo, CPU capped at 115w and GPU around 160w. Bios undervolting still capped to -0.080 and none of the normal Asus BIOS goodies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

41 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Hollow gesture.

 

China will unofficially get the GPUs one way or the other.

 

 

 

I just returned my second Asus G18 (13980HX + 4080) a few days ago to Best Buy. I'll wait for the next wave of laptops to see if I'm going to snag one. My NH55 is holding it down for me right now along with being tinkering central.

 

I couldn't stomach having to use Armory Crate to enable full package power for the CPU and GPU. Without running Armory Crate and setting to Turbo, CPU capped at 115w and GPU around 160w. Bios undervolting still capped to -0.080 and none of the normal Asus BIOS goodies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice, was that like a free rental? 😂 that’s pretty smart actually. I want to be like you, and do this too. The depreciation makes me have nightmares on such expensive laptops! 

[ryan]

8 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I couldn't stomach having to use Armory Crate to enable full package power for the CPU and GPU. Without running Armory Crate and setting to Turbo, CPU capped at 115w and GPU around 160w. Bios undervolting still capped to -0.080 and none of the normal Asus BIOS goodies.

Its the same with HP. I have to install Hp omen gaming hub and it starts like 7 services and bogs down the laptop, without it everything is near instantaneous and with it its definitely slower. frustrating buying a asus ROG strix keyboard and to get all the features I have to install what seems like bloat/malware/viruses/trojans. really unprofessional. also I noticed 3d mark opens java to run benchmarks????is everything a farce lol

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, ryan said:

is everything a farce lol

Yup. Pretty much sums it up. The world is basically run by stupid people, so we can expect stupid things to come from it. Those that aren't stupid are evil. It's unfortunate that we allow it to happen. We shouldn't put up with it.

[cylix]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Hollow gesture.

 

China will unofficially get the GPUs one way or the other.

 

 

 

I just returned my second Asus G18 (13980HX + 4080) a few days ago to Best Buy. I'll wait for the next wave of laptops to see if I'm going to snag one. My NH55 is holding it down for me right now along with being tinkering central.

 

I couldn't stomach having to use Armory Crate to enable full package power for the CPU and GPU. Without running Armory Crate and setting to Turbo, CPU capped at 115w and GPU around 160w. Bios undervolting still capped to -0.080 and none of the normal Asus BIOS goodies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you try G-helper? I got rid of that malware from Asus on my Z13 flow turdbook and using G helper, such a nice  little software  😄

https://github.com/seerge/g-helper

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

That guy at supercool has always been bad with communication.

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I just sent my third inquiry on their web site and directly to their gmail. I will give it one more week and if I don't have the parts or an email reply with definitive information I will dispute the charges with PayPal and get my money back. I have no time for nonsense with people that do not manage a business in a businesslike manner. I doubt I will ever buy anything from them again.

I also just posted another comment/question on his YouTube video asking about the missing parts.

  

2 minutes ago, cylix said:

Did you try G-helper? I got rid of that malware from Asus on my Z13 flow turdbook and using G helper, such a nice  little software  😄

https://github.com/seerge/g-helper

 

I wonder if that will work for ASUS desktop motherboards as well? Armory Crate is not any less crappy on a desktop as it is on a laptop. It is so horrible that it should be against the law.

[cylix]

I dont know but you could give it a try, maybe it will work or have some functionality