*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

The Apex Encore has been difficult to manage. I may be swapping back to my Z790 Apex White. That board was much more reliable.

 

I’m having some troubles with the Encore. 

I get a lot of stuck code 55’s. And it seems just so frail and fragile with my normal memory tuning and memory overclocking. If you get something stable, better just leave it! It is very frustrating. I can go tinkering in the bios with anything at all, and boom it’s broke, gotta start over. 
 

I’m gonna try a ram and cpu reseat. Right now it’s code 55 on both bios. Pulling battery clearing CMOS does nothing.

 

[Raiderman]

A little off topic (a lot), but I was watching some college football yesterday, and looked up and saw my name on the screen. I've never seen someone else with the same name. Thought it was kind of cool 🤣😎

 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Reciever said:

He wants full function of the monitor which currently means nothing from Nvidia nor does he intend to play games at that resolution the point is to have that fluid motion and refresh rate for work, gaming is the nifty bonus not the primary. 

 

18 hours ago, Reciever said:

Mostly spreadsheets (lots of them), Email, Teams. He is not interested in Intel, 4090 cant supply the bandwidth over the port for the full resolution and refresh on the panel he has so to him the RTX 4090 is a non starter. He isnt expecting the 7900XTX to knock it out of the park in gaming at that resolution but for standard use, and its half the price of the 4090 so that was his starting point.

 

I have shared this with him, on top of my own recommendation. He wasnt too keen on giving me a budget, gave me a very helpful answer of "no limit, but dont want to spend more than I have to" lol 

 

So I gave him a look at the Asrock B650E Lite to which he was impressed with but he hasnt pulled the trigger on anything as of yet. Thank you for your input 🙂

 

 

 

 

He will definitely have the VRAM for that resolution and proper support with an AMD card. If he does game, depending on the title, he can just dial back the eye candy to settle into an acceptable sweet spot performance:visuals ratio.

 

If he goes Asrock Taichi 7900xtx, he can do the whole Asrock themed build with that Asrock B650E Taichi Lite. It's a bit more pricier than the budget boards but falls into a nice range and still ~$200 less than the full blown X670E Taichi and ~$90 cheaper than the normal B650E Taichi.

 

7900xtx is no slouch of a card. It is just that the 4090 is a monster even in the face of Nvidia's other 4000 series offerings.

 

I'll be curious to see what his final selections yield and end game build out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cylix]

Like everything nowdays in PC Industry... Expensive and a piece of crap.

 

[ryan]

dumb rant. edited\

 

In short I hope more products are engineered and made in USA and canada.

[electrosoft]

31 minutes ago, cylix said:

Like everything nowdays in PC Industry... Expensive and a piece of crap.

 

 

I have been disappointed in every (and I do mean every) Gigabyte board I've used dating back to Z270 and AM4. I just won't entertain their motherboards in any capacity. Last outing with Gigabyte was a Aorus Pro AX Z590 board that was bungled....er I mean bundled with a Aorus Master 3070 during the cryptodemic in 2021. I figured, "I have it? Why not use it?" and it was garbage and couldn't touch my MSI Z590 or Asus Z590 boards in granular control and overclocking while binning 11900k's.

 

Aesthetically, I like the look of it but that price point is crazy but it is available in the US for $999.99

 

I used to set my price point for a motherboard at $300 no matter what but market forces pushed that to $400 and I only did that begrudgingly.

 

That Aorus Master 3070 though was a very solid card. I wouldn't be adverse to picking up another Gigabyte GPU in the future.

[tps3443]

I pulled the CPU, pulled the GPU, and pulled my DDR5. 
 

I had something weird happening with the Encore. And I wanted to be sure I could fix it. I was causing all of these issues my self, and with my own janky setup/install LOL.
 

(1) My ram was not fully seated on one end. My ram is all 1 piece being inside a super cool ram waterblock. ( so It’s a tight fit plugging ram in as 1 piece) I pressed them in very good this time, while supporting the back of my baby so it don’t flex on me.

 

(2) My 13900KS had LM droplets all on the substrate. (This can cause problems) not sure why or how. But it definitely does 😉

 

(3) The PCI-E slot on the Encore is lower down and further away from my ram than on the Apex Z790. This was causing the ram to pull my GPU at a strange angle like this \ towards the cpu and ram lol. 
 

My system went down hill very very fast, so fast in fact that it became a code 55 no matter what I did. Even when it was working, and I was first loading in the bios, I would sit on the ROG logo for about 20 seconds before it would let me actually get to the bios. Now, it happens immediately when I post and press DEL. So, that tells me right away whatever was wrong is fixed now. 
 

So far so good! 
 

PS: I fully lapped my 13900KS die (Like fully lapped it) 🤣 it is as flat as flat can be!! My LM application is superior. And let me tell you. 🤯 it’s freaking awesome. 
 

 

[Mr. Fox]

So, basically building one system three ways and running test results for each (product review items - case, two air cooler, AIO - using one of my son's gaming PC guts) then followed by totally rebuild my system over from scratch in the O11 Dynamic XL EVO, my butt is dragging, LOL. I am totally beat. Just finished cleaning up the mess from the work, dusting, vacuuming and Swiffer-mopping the floor.

Below is the build. I am still waiting for three more fans to go in the roof of the case, but otherwise totally done. The O11 Dynamic XL EVO is crazy nice. It's not as massive externally as the EVGA case that I loved, but internally it is more massive and probably the easiest case to build in ever.

 

My son's system that I rebuilt (below) using the product review items turned out awesome. I will hold back any comments until the reviews are completed and the product embargo lifts, so I won't even say what brand this stuff is for now. My son is thrilled with it. While he had an AM5/7700X/DDR5 setup, it was air cooled and inside of an antique NZXT Phantom case. This works and looks so much better. Now I need to get him to stop buying Gigabyte garbage (mobo and GPU).  His wife is an AMD fangirl and the mobo and CPU were a birthday gift for him in June. He was gaming on an AM3 setup with a Athlon CPU and DDR3 that were new when the case was new. The case was cooking his Ryzen CPU. This case will actually just about fit inside of the O11 XL, but it has plenty of room for his ATX mobo and AIO.

The appendage on the backplate of his GPU is a huge heat sink. When I got finished with his build and started testing, I noticed the Gigabutt 3060 was burning up (105°C hotspot and 95°C core). I used 18 w/mK thermal pads and Honeywell phase change paste and it was still crazy hot (85°C core and 95°C hotspot). The backplate is plastic. So, I added thermal pads and mounted the big heat sink on back to give the heat another place to go. Plastic isn't a good thermal conductor, but it managed to take the temps down further in spite of the plastic backplate. Still hotter than it would be if it had been a product made by another company that actually knows a little bit about what they're doing, but a 15°C reduction from where it started.

 

A weird observation about the AM5 CPU. Of course it runs stupid hot and we all knew that. AMD even said it is supposed to run 95°C, which seems crazy and extremely undesirable. As I switched among the coolers tested, they all had the same peak temperature, but the better cooling solutions allowed higher turbo speeds. It seems like AMD deliberately made 95°C the target temperature.

 

[cylix]

The XL EVO is so cool and well build. Sadly i dont have place for it under my desk or else i would upgrade to it from the EVO

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, cylix said:

The XL EVO is so cool and well build. Sadly i dont have place for it under my desk or else i would upgrade to it from the EVO

I watched all of the reviews on YouTube and I knew I would like it, but I did not expect to be as impressed with it as I have been. It is a serious piece of chassis engineering. It's not quite on the same level of design elegance and elaborate finesse as the be quiet! Dark Base Pro 901, but it is built like a brick house and it is easier to build in. And, it is geared for performance applications. I am very pleased with it.

 

After building that smaller O11 clone for my son, I like white more than I expected I would. It looks gorgeous, especially with the lighting set to all white. While I think the Apex would look exquisete in a white version of the O11D XL EVO, I still think it would have been a mistake I would regret. If not sooner, at the time I decide to upgrade the mobo, I would be wishing I had ordered black instead. But in an inexpensive clone, like the one I am reviewing, I think it would make perfect sense. If the new of having a white case wore off (as I believe it would) or it turned out not to be ideally suited for housing the components of my next build, then it could be treated as a give-away item or sold for whatever price it would fetch, it would be easier to view it as a temporary solution or disposable component.

[cylix]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I watched all of the reviews on YouTube and I knew I would like it, but I did not expect to be as impressed with it as I have been. It is a serious piece of chassis engineering. It's not quite on the same level of design elegance and elaborate finesse as the be quiet! Dark Base Pro 901, but it is built like a brick house and it is easier to build in. And, it is geared for performance applications. I am very pleased with it.

 

After building that smaller O11 clone for my son, I like white more than I expected I would. It looks gorgeous, especially with the lighting set to all white. While I think the Apex would look exquisete in a white version of the O11D XL EVO, I still think it would have been a mistake I would regret. If not sooner, at the time I decide to upgrade the moto I would be wishing I had ordered black instead. But in an inexpensive clone, like the one I am reviewing, I think it would make perfect sense. If the new of having a white case wore off (as I believe it would) or it turned out not to be ideally suited for housing the components of my next build, then it could be treated as a give-away item or sold for whatever price it would fetch, it would be easier to view it as a temporary solution or disposable component.

Yes I have mine in white with white fans aswell, it looks gorgeous!

[D2ultima]

That XL EVO looks really nice, I would love to build a PC with one

[electrosoft]

Jufes and the Z790 Apex Encore....(also pushing Encore + 14900k pre-tuned bundles)

 

Head to head vs the original Apex too down to box comparisons.

 

The ram cooling fan is a nice addition and definitely dropped the temps. Better than my low brow slapping a fan on an angle and/or using electrical tape or zip ties when testing ram. 🤣

 

tl;dw Both are good, Encore gets a thumbs up.

 

 

[tps3443]

Only (5) pumps going in my build re-do. It might be enough. 🤪

 

[Mr. Fox]

Ok, now it is done. Soaking them in lacquer thinner makes it easy if you can stand the fumes. Once you get the heating blankets off you have to wash them several times to get all of the gummy crap adhesive off of the modules. I had screws that would work for the missing backplate. I can't believe that clown took so long to send the backplate (almost a month) and did not send the screws that I mentioned at least 3 times.

Protected SMDs with Kapton tape.

Had to trim a small amount of material off of the black plastic CPU block bezel in order for it to clear the memory. The water block on the memory was making contact with it and could not be properly installed until I trimmed it back a tiny bit. I removed about 2mm to give it ample room.

 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Only (5) pumps going in my build re-do. It might be enough. 🤪

 

 

Always smart with at least one pump that can serve as backup if 4 of the other pumps go to hardware heaven, HaHa

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Ok, now it is done. Soaking them in lacquer thinner makes it easy if you can stand the fumes. Once you get the heating blankets off you have to wash them several times to get all of the gummy crap adhesive off of the modules. I had screws that would work for the missing backplate. I can't believe that clown took so long to send the backplate (almost a month) and did not send the screws that I mentioned at least 3 times.

Protected SMDs with Kapton tape.

Had to trim a small amount of material off of the black plastic CPU block bezel in order for it to clear the memory. The water block on the memory was making with it and could not be properly installed until I trimmed it back a tiny bit.

 

i see you either switched to a HOF 4090 or got ur hands on the special sauce unlocked voltage vbios from Galax 😄 

[Papusan]

GTX 1070 Strix.... Probably the last benchmarks I'll do with my i9-13900K and Z690 Apex. But the results are quite ok🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386670_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_gtx_1070_72947_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386628_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_geforce_gtx_1070_21883_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386618_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_extreme_geforce_gtx_1070_10451_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386643_papusan_3dmark___time_spy_(gpu)_geforce_gtx_1070_7137_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386601_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_1070_102826_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386690_papusan_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_1070_29838_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386605_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_(gpu)_geforce_gtx_1070_93014_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386629_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_(gpu)_geforce_gtx_1070_22455_marks

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

i see you either switched to a HOF 4090 or got ur hands on the special sauce unlocked voltage vbios from Galax 😄 

I want one, and got a PSU with dual 12VHPWR cables in case I do end up with one. The vBIOS doesn't have any special unlocks on my MSI GPU, but the 1000W power limit eliminates that as becoming an impediment.. Wiith only 1.100V available, any 4090 is going to be hobbled.

[tps3443]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I want one, and got a PSU with dual 12VHPWR cables in case I do end up with one. The vBIOS doesn't have any special unlocks on my MSI GPU, but the 1000W power limit eliminates that as becoming an impediment.. Wiith only 1.100V available, any 4090 is going to be hobbled.

I know someone who has one with the Galax PSU included. He actually wants to trade for a weaker GPU. 
 

He wants like a 3090+$1,500 USD for the 4090 HOF and Galax 1300 watt PSU. I think shipping would be the biggest issue. Because he’s in Malasia. 
 

But, he does want to sell. And he’s legit, maybe you can get a good deal on the GPU only.

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1733112490342366/permalink/3660462297607366/?mibextid=6ojiHh

 

Send him a PM. Maybe he’d work something out. I got my Apex Z790 from him. 
 

 

[Papusan]

 

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

GTX 1070 Strix.... Probably the last benchmarks I'll do with my i9-13900K and Z690 Apex. But the results are quite ok🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386670_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_gtx_1070_72947_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386628_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_geforce_gtx_1070_21883_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386618_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_extreme_geforce_gtx_1070_10451_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386643_papusan_3dmark___time_spy_(gpu)_geforce_gtx_1070_7137_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386601_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_1070_102826_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386690_papusan_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_1070_29838_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386605_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_(gpu)_geforce_gtx_1070_93014_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5386629_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_(gpu)_geforce_gtx_1070_22455_marks

 

 

For the pict lover @electrosoft Yup, all black brother. Can't get enough of black🤪 But I hate the dreaded "all black" winter dark here up in the inhospitably cold North. Can't have it all☹️

 

 

 

[tps3443]

13 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Always smart with at least one pump that can serve as backup if 4 of the other pumps go to hardware heaven, HaHa

And it’s still not enough 😂. I have just over 20Ft of tubing on my build, and a chiller that needs 300-750 GPH 😃 I’m not even close to fulfilling its needs. 
 

It does work very well though. It needs tons of pressure for best performance when running heavy wattage sustained loads like games. The more you can pump, the better/faster it chills and easier it runs! 
 

I got it all up and running though. It blew out all that air in the lines in about 0.003 seconds 😂

PS: I found my air leak!! No more bubbles! 😎 the leaking air was from a section of two tubes I made together as one longer tube. 

 

 

[tps3443]

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

For the pict lover @electrosoft Yup, all black brother. Can't get enough of black🤪 

 

 

 

Congrats!!! You got those good parts! I’m curious how the 14900K is in your hands. Are you gonna delid that?

[Papusan]

19 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Congrats!!! You got those good parts! I’m curious how the 14900K is in your hands. Are you gonna delid that?

 

Thanks bro. Still not determined that. I lack everything of parts here + the cost increase due where I live (long shipping time + taxes). And I have only my pc parts for a few months before I jump on new. No one here want to buy almost new processors on the used market that is out of warranty. The Norwegian shop I normally used also stopped with binned Cpu's. No one will pay for it. Norway ain't the best place for pc enthusiasts. Most we can buy here is vanilla trash.

 

If you want etc some ok thermal pads or in some thickness you need. Nothing to find here. You need order it outside Norway and then wait 4-5 week to get it. And it won't get cheap when it reach Papusan's plaza. 30-40% price increase over what you others have to pay for it.  

 

24 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

And it’s still not enough 😂. I have just over 20Ft of tubing on my build, and a chiller that needs 300-750 GPH 😃 I’m not even close to fulfilling its needs. 
 

It does work very well though. It needs tons of pressure for best performance when running heavy wattage sustained loads like games. The more you can pump, the better/faster it chills and easier it runs! 
 

I got it all up and running though. It blew out all that air in the lines in about 0.003 seconds 😂

PS: I found my air leak!! No more bubbles! 😎 the leaking air was from a section of two tubes I made together as one longer tube. 

 

 

 

Nice build brother. But why do you really need 20Ft tubes? Because you have put away the chiller in a corner to reduce noise?

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Thanks bro. Still not determined that. I lack everything of parts here + the cost increase due where I live (long shipping time + taxes). And I have only my pc parts for a few months before I jump on new. No one here want to buy almost new processors on the used market that is out of warranty. The Norwegian shop I normally used also stopped with binned Cpu's. No one will pay for it. Norway ain't the best place for pc enthusiasts. Most we can buy here is vanilla trash.

 

 

Nice build brother. But why do you really need 20Ft tubes? Because you have put away the chiller in a corner to reduce noise?

So, on my first build with tank+chiller I used short runs of tubing. But it was difficult without having that wiggle room. I need to be able to move the chiller and tank around if I need to drain them or change loop etc. it’s hard to remove 10 gallons of water. It’s heavy, about like 85 pounds. And it just makes it so much easier. Plus, it’s not that much excess. Tubing just goes super fast. 
 

Tubes going from PC to chiller are 6ft long. Tubes from chiller to tank are 6ft long too. My desk is 3ft deep, and 3ft tall, and my PC is 1ft off the desk while the chiller is right behind my desk on the floor. That length adds up QUICK! Even with this much tubing I have just a little wiggle room lol. While It may seem like a lot of tubing, it’s not that much.