*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

And here is more of the same. Read what tomshardware's tech editor say about the products...

 

Dell makes "some of the best" laptops, desktops, and monitors around — under both its primary brand and its popular Alienware gaming brand🤮

Stupid is the new normal. Because people like us can quickly identify stupid and dare to call it out as such, without mincing any words about it, we are dangerous

[jaybee83]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice! I look forward to seeing before/after results. That's a sweet IHS replacement. In concept the installation is similar to my IceMan direct die block. It replaces the ILM. In this example it replaces the ILM and IHS. I like it. I had not seen it before. I did not know Roman had produced that.

 

yeah the PR / marketing around it has been kinda weird. afaik it was only shown once by Roman, but more as an "afterthought" vs. the mycro direct die waterblock. availability is also scarce, although its apparently been on the market since Aug this year. dunno what to tell you, im just glad I remembered that thing and also found a shop with stock 😄 will be sure to provide results on this!

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

yeah the PR / marketing around it has been kinda weird. afaik it was only shown once by Roman, but more as an "afterthought" vs. the mycro direct die waterblock. availability is also scarce, although its apparently been on the market since Aug this year. dunno what to tell you, im just glad I remembered that thing and also found a shop with stock 😄 will be sure to provide results on this!

Probably has something to do with the mindset of the average Joe versus the mindset of an overclocking enthusiast. There are most likely other examples of extreme awesomeness that we have missed because they are just way too scary to the push-button gamer club.

[tps3443]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!! 

[Papusan]

On 11/20/2023 at 5:45 PM, Papusan said:

What's wrong with the U:S Government? Why the 4090 but not nvidia's $6000 RTX 6000 ADA cards? Smart done by Mr. Jensen and Nvidia.... Stop producing 4090's then make shortage and rather use all AD102 die's for their more expensive workstation cards. They even screwed own AIC partners. Because they needed all the AD102 chips themself.

 

The US government banned Nvidia's fastest gaming GPU from China — chipmaker pulls RTX 4090 listings due to AI concerns, but leaves RTX 6000 Ada

 

Jup. Nvidia earn money as grass because they are greedy bastards that grabbed almost all AD102 for themself for workstations and server-cards. Where is AMD when we really need them? All they do is try to milk on low/mid end.  

 

GeForce RTX 4090 hits $2,000/€2,000 average price

 

 

 

NVIDIA Crushes Earnings On Monster AI Chip Demand And Big Gains In Gaming

NVIDIA has found its golden goose in AI chip design, which contributed heavily to another massive spike in revenue during the company's third quarter of fiscal 2024—it tripled year-over-year to $18.12 billion. That's also a sizable 34% gain from the previous quarter and a new quarterly revenue record....

 

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This is really good news for Chinese gamer boys/girls. Now they may not being scammed by Dell anymore. A big win for the Chinese gamers. I wish Dell also could offer same restrictions all over the world🤪

Dell restricts exports of AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX, RX 7900, and Pro W7900 GPUs to China

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!! 

Same to you, brother. All of us have more to be thankful for than we deserve. I am thankful to have all of you as friends. 

[tps3443]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Same to you, brother. All of us have more to be thankful for than we deserve. I am thankful to have all of you as friends. 

Same to you friend and that goes for everybody else!! 
 

 

Another thing I’m thankful for is my current IMC being good enough stabilizing DDR5 8533 in Y-Cruncher. It only took 2 me days. And about 250-300 visits to the bios lol. Now I can run Y-Cruncher 2.5B a few gazillion times reboot and run it some more. 
 

This bios profile is not as fast as the 8600C38 profile. But, this one is bullet proof stable if you wanna try it. 
 

[electrosoft]

So my 7800X3D died last night....(I'm assuming, but could be the MB)

 

I was playing WoW and the system started to stutter and shut down. This was with the 7900XTX installed as I was doing some more testing in WoW.

 

In hind sight, there were weird pauses and stutters during the day even on the desktop.

 

I had set the system to high performance to peg the clocks on the GPU and CPU, went to play and part way through a raid came the stutter and immediate shut down.

 

Upon reboot, the yellow dram light lit up and nothing.

Tried again and then the CPU red light and dram light came on which is all it does now along with an A6 or Ab code.

I tried booting again, nothing.

CMOS reset, nothing

 

Yanked the 7900XTX and went integrated, nothing.

Tested each stick, nothing.

Tried another set of sticks, nothing.

Tested each slot individually with two different sets of sticks, nothing.

Hitting CMOS reset along the way for every test

 

All I get is A6 (or Ab?) and the yellow DRAM and red CPU lights.

 

 

Finally, I pulled the CPU to reseat it and you can't make it quite clearly in the picture, but there is a small cluster of ever so slightly discolored contact pins in the upper, left quadrant. Oh, and when I reseated the CPU, nothing. I checked the pins on the MB and they're as straight and perfect as they were day 1.

 

 

So I spent 3-4 hours breaking down my test rig, my main rig and installed the tiny little ITX motherboard in my main rig along with the LF2 420 (forgot how quiet it is compared to the EVGA even with Artic P12s). I'm gonna slap in my 4090 in a bit then I can finish out my phase 4 testing. Yet again, I just can't love the 7900xtx and it will be going back to Amazon next week great price or not. The way the 4090 absolutely crushes it in FO76 and WoW and all the WoW issues along with the earlier issues mentioned before make the 7900xtx a non starter (again) for me. 😞

 

 

I probably will order a cheap A620M board (~$70) just to test the components on their own just in case plus I like having a backup motherboard for testing. I have 4 Intel Socket 1700 boards under my roof but only 1 AM5.  I'll wait till Friday to see what good deals pop up.

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

So my 7800X3D died last night....(I'm assuming, but could be the MB)

 

I was playing WoW and the system started to stutter and shut down. This was with the 7900XTX installed as I was doing some more testing in WoW.

 

In hind sight, there were weird pauses and stutters during the day even on the desktop.

 

I had set the system to high performance to peg the clocks on the GPU and CPU, went to play and part way through a raid came the stutter and immediate shut down.

 

Upon reboot, the yellow dram light lit up and nothing.

Tried again and then the CPU red light and dram light came on which is all it does now along with an A6 or Ab code.

I tried booting again, nothing.

CMOS reset, nothing

 

Yanked the 7900XTX and went integrated, nothing.

Tested each stick, nothing.

Tried another set of sticks, nothing.

Tested each slot individually with two different sets of sticks, nothing.

Hitting CMOS reset along the way for every test

 

All I get is A6 (or Ab?) and the yellow DRAM and red CPU lights.

 

 

Finally, I pulled the CPU to reseat it and you can't make it quite clearly in the picture, but there is a small cluster of ever so slightly discolored contact pins in the upper, left quadrant. Oh, and when I reseated the CPU, nothing. I checked the pins on the MB and they're as straight and perfect as they were day 1.

 

 

So I spent 3-4 hours breaking down my test rig, my main rig and installed the tiny little ITX motherboard in my main rig along with the LF2 420 (forgot how quiet it is compared to the EVGA even with Artic P12s). I'm gonna slap in my 4090 in a bit then I can finish out my phase 4 testing. Yet again, I just can't love the 7900xtx and it will be going back to Amazon next week great price or not. The way the 4090 absolutely crushes it in FO76 and WoW and all the WoW issues along with the earlier issues mentioned before make the 7900xtx a non starter (again) for me. 😞

 

 

I probably will order a cheap A620M board (~$70) just to test the components on their own just in case plus I like having a backup motherboard for testing. I have 4 Intel Socket 1700 boards under my roof but only 1 AM5.  I'll wait till Friday to see what good deals pop up.

 

oooh crap, what kinda bios and SOC voltages were u running? this looks like one of the dreaded blown up X3D cpus....daaaaang i didnt expect smth like that to happen so long after the issue was first discovered and patched. this must absolutely suck for u bud, sorry to see that... keep us updated on ur testing and thoughts on replacement cpus.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

So my 7800X3D died last night....(I'm assuming, but could be the MB)

 

I was playing WoW and the system started to stutter and shut down. This was with the 7900XTX installed as I was doing some more testing in WoW.

 

In hind sight, there were weird pauses and stutters during the day even on the desktop.

 

I had set the system to high performance to peg the clocks on the GPU and CPU, went to play and part way through a raid came the stutter and immediate shut down.

 

Upon reboot, the yellow dram light lit up and nothing.

Tried again and then the CPU red light and dram light came on which is all it does now along with an A6 or Ab code.

I tried booting again, nothing.

CMOS reset, nothing

 

Yanked the 7900XTX and went integrated, nothing.

Tested each stick, nothing.

Tried another set of sticks, nothing.

Tested each slot individually with two different sets of sticks, nothing.

Hitting CMOS reset along the way for every test

 

All I get is A6 (or Ab?) and the yellow DRAM and red CPU lights.

 

 

Finally, I pulled the CPU to reseat it and you can't make it quite clearly in the picture, but there is a small cluster of ever so slightly discolored contact pins in the upper, left quadrant. Oh, and when I reseated the CPU, nothing. I checked the pins on the MB and they're as straight and perfect as they were day 1.

 

 

So I spent 3-4 hours breaking down my test rig, my main rig and installed the tiny little ITX motherboard in my main rig along with the LF2 420 (forgot how quiet it is compared to the EVGA even with Artic P12s). I'm gonna slap in my 4090 in a bit then I can finish out my phase 4 testing. Yet again, I just can't love the 7900xtx and it will be going back to Amazon next week great price or not. The way the 4090 absolutely crushes it in FO76 and WoW and all the WoW issues along with the earlier issues mentioned before make the 7900xtx a non starter (again) for me. 😞

 

 

I probably will order a cheap A620M board (~$70) just to test the components on their own just in case plus I like having a backup motherboard for testing. I have 4 Intel Socket 1700 boards under my roof but only 1 AM5.  I'll wait till Friday to see what good deals pop up.

I am so sorry this happened. Products are just not very reliable anymore. It doesn't matter what brand you buy, quality is a thing of the past. It's the 21st Century way of life. As everyone here knows, I have had several Intel CPUs (Gen10/12/13) just mysteriously die for no apparent reason. It wasn't that long ago than it was extremely rare for anyone to ever have a CPU die, and blaming it on overclocking is silly because that is not really a factor. It's only used as a lame excuse for Intel and AMD to deny warranty. You may have to lie if asked about that in order to get AMD to provide a replacement. It's unfortunate, but necessary, because we can no longer rely on manufacturer integrity for satisfactory outcomes. They don't have any.

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

oooh crap, what kinda bios and SOC voltages were u running? this looks like one of the dreaded blown up X3D cpus....daaaaang i didnt expect smth like that to happen so long after the issue was first discovered and patched. this must absolutely suck for u bud, sorry to see that... keep us updated on ur testing and thoughts on replacement cpus.

 

I was running 7D70v1B1(Beta version) but I see they have 7D70v1B now but didn't install it. SOC always at 1.25. I installed it 18-10-2023.

 

Just earlier before it died it would freeze and stutter sporadically to the point where I had given it a clean install on the 19th and then earlier on the day it died they become more pronounced.

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am so sorry this happened. Products are just not very reliable anymore. It doesn't matter what brand you buy, quality is a thing of the past. It's the 21st Century way of life. As everyone here knows, I have had several Intel CPUs (Gen10/12/13) just mysteriously die for no apparent reason. It wasn't that long ago than it was extremely rare for anyone to ever have a CPU die, and blaming it on overclocking is silly because that is not really a factor. It's only used as a lame excuse for Intel and AMD to deny warranty. You may have to lie if asked about that in order to get AMD to provide a replacement. It's unfortunate, but necessary, because we can no longer rely on manufacturer integrity for satisfactory outcomes. They don't have any.

 

Funny thing is I wasn't even running it overclocked like I did with my 5800x and I actually kept SOC below the post explosion max spec of 1.3. There was no point in a static OC. I just did a -30 CO and +25mhz. I didn't even get a chance to play around with the bigger frequency boost range.

 

Luckily I had my backup 13900ks test platform running so I could get my data off the SSD. I guess the one good thing is I now get to drive the 13900ks as my main rig now with the 4090 to compare and contrast for a bit while I sort out my AMD fail. I was driving that AMD rig for ~ 7 months relatively problem free then WHAMO.

 

Happy Thanksgiving!

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Funny thing is I wasn't even running it overclocked like I did with my 5800x and I actually kept SOC below the post explosion max spec of 1.3. There was no point in a static OC. I just did a -30 CO and +25mhz. I didn't even get a chance to play around with the bigger frequency boost range.

 

Luckily I had my backup 13900ks test platform running so I could get my data off the SSD. I guess the one good thing is I now get to drive the 13900ks as my main rig now with the 4090 to compare and contrast for a bit while I sort out my AMD fail. I was driving that AMD rig for ~ 7 months relatively problem free then WHAMO.

 

Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving.

 

I doubt it would have changed anything. I do not believe CPUs fail due to overclocking. I believe they fail due to manufacturing defects. It would be very difficult to harm one deliberately if it is.not defective.

[serpro69]

On 11/22/2023 at 4:31 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Stupid is the new normal. Because people like us can quickly identify stupid and dare to call it out as such, without mincing any words about it, we are dangerous

Was reading some articles on theverge yesterday and saw one of their "best laptops of 2023" piece. Don't usually look at those, but for some reason I clicked on this one and it made my day with just one phrase - "It's getting harder to buy a bad laptop"  

[Raiderman]

Happy Thanksgiving to all those who celebrate it! Thankful to have this community to get away from some of life's BS!

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, serpro69 said:

Was reading some articles on theverge yesterday and saw one of their "best laptops of 2023" piece. Don't usually look at those, but for some reason I clicked on this one and it made my day with just one phrase - "It's getting harder to buy a bad laptop"  

That is both sad and amusing at the same time. Amusing to think any new laptop is a good product, and sad that anyone believes otherwise.

 

 

 

[cylix]

@electrosoft Ufff, sorry to hear about your CPU, so it looks like its not only the MB Manufacturers fault, some x3d chips have QC issues, more and more like everything electronic these day... Keep us updated with the AMD RMA process. Now lets see if my x3d will last or give up the ghost aswell 😄.

[Papusan]

On 11/20/2023 at 5:45 PM, Papusan said:

What's wrong with the U:S Government? Why the 4090 but not nvidia's $6000 RTX 6000 ADA cards? Smart done by Mr. Jensen and Nvidia.... Stop producing 4090's then make shortage and rather use all AD102 die's for their more expensive workstation cards. They even screwed own AIC partners. Because they needed all the AD102 chips themself.

 

The US government banned Nvidia's fastest gaming GPU from China — chipmaker pulls RTX 4090 listings due to AI concerns, but leaves RTX 6000 Ada

 

The RX 7900 XT/X also banned from China! overclocking.com
https://overclocking.com/les-rx-7900-xt-x-egalement-bannies-de-chine/

 

On 11/20/2023 at 11:54 PM, Papusan said:

The side effect… Same as under the mining race. Shortage and higher prices (4090). And they can probably sell more overpriced 4080’s. Perfect solution giving the 4080 Super the cheaper AD103 die. Today’s question…. Will nvidia release a 4080Ti ? @electrosoft🫢

 

Nvidia made this possible. And they know this would lead to new ways to use 4090's... And they also know this would lead to massive shortage of 4090's to the gamers. Nvidia's greed and hunger for max profits is awful. U.S Government should have issued an massive fine to Nvidia. In billiards. Be you sure.... Nvidia know what would happens with all the AD102 chips they flooded to China. And they know most of the cards would never ever end to the gamers... 

 

Chinese Factories Dismantling Thousands of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 “Gaming” GPUs & Turning Them Into “AI” Solutions With Blower-Style Coolers

 

I hope the U.S government never forget this and STOP any ask for license under the "NEC" eligibility rule to Nvidia. They deserve nothing. Only the mentioned fine. In billions value.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

The RX 7900 XT/X also banned from China! overclocking.com
https://overclocking.com/les-rx-7900-xt-x-egalement-bannies-de-chine/

 

 

Nvidia made this possible. And they know this would lead to new ways to use 4090's... And they also know this would lead to massive shortage of 4090's to the gamers. Nvidia's greed and hunger for max profits is awful. U.S Government should have issued an massive fine to Nvidia. In billiards. Be you sure.... Nvidia know what would happens with all the AD102 chips they flooded to China. And they know most of the cards would never ever end to the gamers... 

 

Chinese Factories Dismantling Thousands of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 “Gaming” GPUs & Turning Them Into “AI” Solutions With Blower-Style Coolers

 

I hope the U.S government never forget this and STOP any ask for license under the "NEC" eligibility rule to Nvidia. They deserve nothing. Only the mentioned fine. In billions value.

What really needs to happen is for all governments to outlaw the development and use of AI. That would serve the world better overall and fix the first-world issue relating to GPU pricing and availability.

[Mr. Fox]

The Arc A770 runs Halo Infinite Campaign like a champ with medium settings and high AA and Async Compute enabled. Nice and cool as well, especially for an air-cooled GPU. I have the voltage locked at 1.155V under load, with the power limit bumped to 452W and core clock locked at 2700. Averaging 103 FPS with low latency at 1440p. Hopefully someday Intel will give us access to overclock the memory. Even stock, the VRAM runs about where I could overclock the 6900 XT memory, so it's not bad at stock memory clock. The Arc tools work really well otherwise. This is a fantastic GPU for $300. I will have to see how it runs with High and Ultra presets.

 

[jaybee83]

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

The RX 7900 XT/X also banned from China! overclocking.com
https://overclocking.com/les-rx-7900-xt-x-egalement-bannies-de-chine/

 

 

Nvidia made this possible. And they know this would lead to new ways to use 4090's... And they also know this would lead to massive shortage of 4090's to the gamers. Nvidia's greed and hunger for max profits is awful. U.S Government should have issued an massive fine to Nvidia. In billiards. Be you sure.... Nvidia know what would happens with all the AD102 chips they flooded to China. And they know most of the cards would never ever end to the gamers... 

 

Chinese Factories Dismantling Thousands of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 “Gaming” GPUs & Turning Them Into “AI” Solutions With Blower-Style Coolers

 

I hope the U.S government never forget this and STOP any ask for license under the "NEC" eligibility rule to Nvidia. They deserve nothing. Only the mentioned fine. In billions value.

 

LOL OF COURSE the chinese would come up with something like that to make extra money hahaha. theyre always so creative when it comes to this kinda stuff 😄 

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

LOL OF COURSE the chinese would come up with something like that to make extra money hahaha. theyre always so creative when it comes to this kinda stuff 😄 

Yup, and nvidia know it very well. In same way as they helped the miners with cards under the mining boom.... They do everything to maximize profits and make shortage for the gamers (the ultimate way to pump up the ASP and inflating prices). Disgusting. 

 

 

You remember the accident where Nvidia slipped the developer driver that circumvented the Mining limiter for later refresh of 3000 series cards? That wasn't an accident. It was done with intent/purpose. 

[jaybee83]

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

You remember the accident where Nvidia slipped the developer driver that circumvented the Mining limiter for later refresh of 3000 series cards? That wasn't an accident. It was done with intent/purpose. 

yeah altho im generally not big on conspiracy theories, that wouldnt surprise me, seeing how little they actually pushed their dedicated mining cards. its not like they went out of their way to initiate big PR campaigns around those.

[tps3443]

@electrosoft What would you consider a gold sample 14900K? I imagine you been doing a little research and checking here and there on them. 

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, tps3443 said:

@electrosoft What would you consider a gold sample 14900K? I imagine you been doing a little research and checking here and there on them. 

 

For somebody like me who runs a standard AIO, I'm focusing primarily on the 5.8 and 5.6 V/F curve and a cool running chip. I prefer a sub 1.2 5.1ghz curve and sub 1.275 5.4 curve and definitely a sub 1.4 5.8. That lets my AIO shine in my sweet zone of 5.6/5.7 before temps start to climb past 80 running CB23.

 

But for you? You're going to delid, DD and chill it and push for 6ghz all core so I would kind of look at 5.8 V/F but really focus on the 6ghz V/F point. I would think at a minimum sub 1.435v at 6ghz and the lower the better.

 

At 6ghz. anything under 1.435 is already good and brimming on golden. Anything below 1.415 is definitely golden. Sub 1.4(~1.398) is god tier.

 

This all goes out the window if your IMC sucks and/or you get hit with the SA bug and memory stalls at 7800-8200. 😞

 

That's my personal criteria though so YMMV.

 

 

[tps3443]

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

For somebody like me who runs a standard AIO, I'm focusing primarily on the 5.8 and 5.6 V/F curve and a cool running chip. I prefer a sub 1.2 5.1ghz curve and sub 1.275 5.4 curve and definitely a sub 1.4 5.8. That lets my AIO shine in my sweet zone of 5.6/5.7 before temps start to climb past 80 running CB23.

 

But for you? You're going to delid, DD and chill it and push for 6ghz all core so I would kind of look at 5.8 V/F but really focus on the 6ghz V/F point. I would think at a minimum sub 1.435v at 6ghz and the lower the better.

 

At 6ghz. anything under 1.435 is already good and brimming on golden. Anything below 1.415 is definitely golden. Sub 1.4(~1.398) is god tier.

 

This all goes out the window if your IMC sucks and/or you get hit with the SA bug and memory stalls at 7800-8200. 😞

 

That's my personal criteria though so YMMV.

 

 

Thanks, I thought so. I agree with your thoughts as well. I just bought a R batch with 1.413V VID’s for 6Ghz. The MCSP is 86-87 range with ambient water. It’s a P-SP117 chip. 
 

I am not gonna delid it right away. I have a cheap Alphacool waterblock I am gonna test it with.  I’m not sure what the 5.6 or 5.8 VID’s are yet, as I haven’t received it just yet. But being a R batch. I would expect the 5.8 VID to be 1.370v or less worst case scenario. It’s gonna be a surprise for those two VID’s as I really don’t know them.
 

I am primarily after that good IMC though. I’m limited to 8533c40 with my current KS and it’s a MCSP80. 
 

PS: I am selling my current KS for super cheap if anyone is interested.