Papusan Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 What's the problem here? Put two 8-pins as cons. What's wrong with today's tech reviewers bro @Mr. Fox ? If it was dobbel up with RGB puke on the card or more fancy colors on the shroud it would probably come on the Pros side of bottom line list. Why is it so bad balancing the load between two PCIe power connectors vs limiting it down to a single 8-pin power rail? Not all MB as etc the Apex have implemented a third 8-pin on the MB to feed it with power for all new fancy power charging features. ASRock Intel Arc A580 Challenger 8GB OC Review https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10632/asrock-intel-arc-a580-challenger-8gb-oc/index.html 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Papusan said: What's the problem here? Put two 8-pins as cons. What's wrong with today's tech reviewers bro @Mr. Fox ? If it was dobbel up with RGB puke on the card or more fancy colors on the shroud it would probably come on the Pros side of bottom line list. Why is it so bad balancing the load between two PCIe power connectors vs limiting it down to a single 8-pin power rail? Not all MB as etc the Apex have implemented a third 8-pin on the MB to feed it with power for all new fancy power charging features. ASRock Intel Arc A580 Challenger 8GB OC Review https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10632/asrock-intel-arc-a580-challenger-8gb-oc/index.html Speaking of two 8-pins, which there is nothing wrong with whatsoever. Or, three, or four of them. It arrived. Here is a quick stock run before I leave town for 4 days, LOL. See you guys when I get back. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/16150989 Everything working as expected. No issues. 1 2 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Everything working as expected. No issues. I am happy to find that RGB adjustments seem to be permanently saved to the GPU. It arrived with green LEDs turned on. I installed Gigabutt Control Center on my trash OS to change to white and it has survived multiple reboots and BIOS changes. It stays white no matter what OS is loaded. This should be a legal requirement for all products with RGB lighting. It is totally sinful and unacceptable that stupid expensive motherboards like the Apex, Encore and all the others from ASUS lack this important feature. 1 2 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Speaking of two 8-pins, which there is nothing wrong with whatsoever. Or, three, or four of them. It arrived. Here is a quick stock run before I leave town for 4 days, LOL. See you guys when I get back. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/16150989 Everything working as expected. No issues. Hey! You should mount the Encore ram fan on the motherboard and reverse its orientation. It will blow air on the back of your new 2080Ti. That little fan at 100% is actually very very powerful. It’s actually more powerful than some 120mm fans I own 😂 and it looks clean and hidden. It works great for the backside of GPU’s. That small ROG ram fan will surprise you.😁 1 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clamibot Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 @Mr. Fox Speaking of legal requirements, I think all motherboards present in all devices should be required by law to have a dual BIOS. Ones that don't should never be sold. I had a bit of a scare today when flashing a BIOS update on my Lenovo Legion Go. The device stupidly decided to shut off in the middle of the update. and the power button turned red. I got freaked out for a second but remembered I read somewhere before I got the device that it had a dual BIOS, so I powered it on and off a few times until something showed on the screen again, and then the update restarted and completed successfully the second time around. This is the first case of me ever seeing a dual BIOS in a handheld, which makes it pretty special in that regard. Had it been something like the Steam Deck or ROG Ally, I'd have been screwed. Good thing Lenovo had the foresight to include a dual BIOS in their handheld. 2 2 AlienyHackbook: Alienware M17X R5 | i7-4930MX | GTX 1060 | 32GB DDR3L Kingston HyperX @ 2133 MHz CL 12 | MacOS Sierra 10.12.5 | Windows 10 LTSC | Hackintoshes Rule! Desktop Killer: Clevo X170SM-G | i9-10900K | RTX 2080 Super | 32GB DDR4 Crucial Ballistix @ 3200 MHz CL 16 | Windows 10 LTSC | Slayer Of Desktops Sagattarius A: Custom Built Desktop | i9-10900K | RX 6950 XT | 32GB DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws @ 4000 MHz CL 15 | Windows 10 LTSC | Ultimate Performance Desktop With Cryo Cooling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Clamibot said: @Mr. Fox Speaking of legal requirements, I think all motherboards present in all devices should be required by law to have a dual BIOS. Ones that don't should never be sold. I had a bit of a scare today when flashing a BIOS update on my Lenovo Legion Go. The device stupidly decided to shut off in the middle of the update. and the power button turned red. I got freaked out for a second but remembered I read somewhere before I got the device that it had a dual BIOS, so I powered it on and off a few times until something showed on the screen again, and then the update restarted and completed successfully the second time around. This is the first case of me ever seeing a dual BIOS in a handheld, which makes it pretty special in that regard. Had it been something like the Steam Deck or ROG Ally, I'd have been screwed. Good thing Lenovo had the foresight to include a dual BIOS in their handheld. Yes, I agree with that. The Dark mobos have a triple BIOS. There should be a minimum of two. 4 hours ago, tps3443 said: Hey! You should mount the Encore ram fan on the motherboard and reverse its orientation. It will blow air on the back of your new 2080Ti. That little fan at 100% is actually very very powerful. It’s actually more powerful than some 120mm fans I own 😂 and it looks clean and hidden. It works great for the backside of GPU’s. That small ROG ram fan will surprise you.😁 I will have to check that out when I get home from my business trip. 1 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, Clamibot said: @Mr. Fox Speaking of legal requirements, I think all motherboards present in all devices should be required by law to have a dual BIOS. Ones that don't should never be sold. Even more important nowadays because Microsoft is damn keen helping the OEMs to push out bios updates if you don't want or not via their own update servers. Even the retards at Asus prefer that Microsoft update your bios. If it's oc'd to the moon doesn't matter. And the cherry on top... You get old bios versions that don't support your brand new Cpu. Dual bios is a must nowadays. And one of the reasons I don't want any of the FE models from Nvidia is because you don't get dual bios rom. Too expensive or Nvidia know what you will use it for. Nvidia's RTX 40 Super GPUs land shockingly near MSRPs, check out these prices 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clamibot Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Has anyone else encountered an issue where touch input on a touchscreen won't register if the screen is running below its native refresh rate? If so, how did you resolve it? It never ceases to amaze me the vast amount of weirdo issues that pop up with hardware and software. As a software engineer and game dev, I see these things happen all the time, and I exect them to pop up very frequently. 1 AlienyHackbook: Alienware M17X R5 | i7-4930MX | GTX 1060 | 32GB DDR3L Kingston HyperX @ 2133 MHz CL 12 | MacOS Sierra 10.12.5 | Windows 10 LTSC | Hackintoshes Rule! Desktop Killer: Clevo X170SM-G | i9-10900K | RTX 2080 Super | 32GB DDR4 Crucial Ballistix @ 3200 MHz CL 16 | Windows 10 LTSC | Slayer Of Desktops Sagattarius A: Custom Built Desktop | i9-10900K | RX 6950 XT | 32GB DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws @ 4000 MHz CL 15 | Windows 10 LTSC | Ultimate Performance Desktop With Cryo Cooling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Here we go again....MSI offering angled adapters for 12VHPR 🙂 Hey! at least I can use one with my MSI Liquid Suprim X 4090 and if it goes KABOOM! It's covered.....right? 1 7 Electrosoft Prime: SP109 14900KS | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x16GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, electrosoft said: Here we go again....MSI offering angled adapters for 12VHPR 🙂 Hey! at least I can use one with my MSI Liquid Suprim X 4090 and if it goes KABOOM! It's covered.....right? From the article..... We expect to hear more about these adapters within the next few months. LOOL, sure. I havn't heard much wrong with the Corsair angled adapters so maybe MSI also can do a better job than Cablemod?😀 And maybe the MSI dragon will make the difference for you?😆 For me... No thanks. 5 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 hours ago, Papusan said: And maybe the MSI dragon will make the difference for you?😆 For me... No thanks. That is a worrying reference in this context since dragons generally breathe fire under stress 😂 BTW speaking of our “friends” at NVidia: China's military and government acquire Nvidia chips despite US ban 3 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clamibot Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Today is a good day in Dallas to do some benchmarking with a sub ambient cooler. We got what looks like a quarter inch of snow and it super cold outside. Also no wonder the air feels really dry. 2 1 1 1 AlienyHackbook: Alienware M17X R5 | i7-4930MX | GTX 1060 | 32GB DDR3L Kingston HyperX @ 2133 MHz CL 12 | MacOS Sierra 10.12.5 | Windows 10 LTSC | Hackintoshes Rule! Desktop Killer: Clevo X170SM-G | i9-10900K | RTX 2080 Super | 32GB DDR4 Crucial Ballistix @ 3200 MHz CL 16 | Windows 10 LTSC | Slayer Of Desktops Sagattarius A: Custom Built Desktop | i9-10900K | RX 6950 XT | 32GB DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws @ 4000 MHz CL 15 | Windows 10 LTSC | Ultimate Performance Desktop With Cryo Cooling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenoroon Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 11 minutes ago, Clamibot said: Today is a good day in Dallas to do some benchmarking with a sub ambient cooler. We got what looks like a quarter inch of snow and it super cold outside. Also no wonder the air feels really dry. Here in TN it's the coldest it will probably get for the rest of winter. I plan on taking the Ranger outside with the Cicichen heatsink and see how the 4930mx does. 3 1 Clevo P870TM-G: Core i7 8700k @ 4.8ghz | Clevo RTX 2070 Super | 32gb HyperX DDR4 @ 3200mhz | 17" 1440p 120hz B173QTN01.0 Screen | 256gb Samsung 850 EVO | 500gb WD Blue SSD | Prema BIOS Alienware 17 R1: Core i7 4710mq @ 3.619ghz 741 CBR15 (834 CBR15 @ 4.213ghz) | Dell GTX 860m | 16gb HyperX DDR3L @ 2133mhz | 17" 3D 120hz LTN173HT02-T01 Screen | 256gb mSATA SSD Asus Zephyrus G14: Ryzen 7 4800hs @ 4.2ghz | GTX 1650 | 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz | 14" 120hz LM140LF1F01 Screen | 512gb NVME SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 1/8/2024 at 9:42 AM, electrosoft said: 4080 Super with a $200 price drop and more performance? Yes please. It went from being the laughing stock of the 4000 series to now just being mildly annoying but a good buy especially compared to the 7900xtx (unless you need 24GB of VRAM). On 1/8/2024 at 6:54 PM, Papusan said: And don't be surprised if we will see the flagship 4080 OC models at the old $1199 price tag or above. That's +$200 premium. ASUS ROG STRIX RTX 4080 SUPER priced at £1,350 in the UK, 40% above NVIDIA MSRP https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-strix-rtx-4080-super-priced-at-1350-in-the-uk-40-above-nvidia-msrp Remember there is huge shortage of 4090's. Some want the flagship cards so whats better than 4080 Super nowadays? Asus know it. The same do all the other OEMs. I hope this is just a bad April fools Joke. But we are still only in January. £1,350... That's only $1,718.21 United States Dollar. But this is included the U.K Tax nightmare (still lower than here home). Is 40% price premium acceptable for the higher end SKUs? That would mean a higher end 4090 OC card would be priced at... $2238 as lowest price. Not far from todays prices for 4090's. If you cand find some. China and nvidia is the big devil in this mess. + the scalpers that try grab cards for the Chineese market. 2 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldarxt Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Nvidia's Secret 1 1 Clevo P870DM3-G i9-9900k-32.0GB 2667mhz-RTX3080+GTX1080 Alienware M18x R2 i7-3920xm-32GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM-16GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM 20GB DDR3-P4000 120hz 3D Precision m6700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-GTX 970M Precision m4700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-T2000M HP ZBook 17 G6 i7 9850H-32GB DDR4-RTX4000maxQ GOBOXX SLM G2721-i7-10875H RTX 3000-32GB ddr4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 35 minutes ago, aldarxt said: Nvidia's Secret Yup, the real Nvidia way. Is less more than more @ryan? Maybe in my disturbed world I understand the weighted values wrong🤫 https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-6gb-to-feature-2304-cuda-cores-and-70w-tdp This new 3050 model is to feature a reduced core count, reduced memory size, bandwidth, and power. Not something that should be carrying a similar name at all. One cannot help but wonder why this card is called RTX 3050, not RTX 3040. 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tps3443 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 20 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Yes, I agree with that. The Dark mobos have a triple BIOS. There should be a minimum of two. I will have to check that out when I get home from my business trip. Yes, it’s very clean when mounted to the motherboard, just make sure you set it to 100% in the bios. It has its own designated PWM plug right on the motherboard. 43 minutes ago, Papusan said: ASUS ROG STRIX RTX 4080 SUPER priced at £1,350 in the UK, 40% above NVIDIA MSRP https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-strix-rtx-4080-super-priced-at-1350-in-the-uk-40-above-nvidia-msrp Remember there is huge shortage of 4090's. Some want the flagship cards so whats better than 4080 Super nowadays? Asus know it. The same do all the other OEMs. I hope this is just a bad April fools Joke. But we are still only in January. £1,350... That's only $1,718.21 United States Dollar. But this is included the U.K Tax nightmare (still lower than here home). Is 40% price premium acceptable for the higher end SKUs? That would mean a higher end 4090 OC card would be priced at... $2238 as lowest price. Not far from todays prices for 4090's. If you cand find some. China and nvidia is the big devil in this mess. + the scalpers that try grab cards for the Chineese market. I’m excited to get one! I’m probably just going to grab a 4080 Super FE if I can get so lucky. I’m selling my 3090 KP HC. And I’m genuinely excited to try another GPU. I just hope I can acquire a 4080 Super on launch day. I feel like if I don’t acquire one I’ll end up having to spend more money on a used 4090 instead. And I really don’t want to exceed the $999 budget because it kinda defeats the purpose. I really just want the new frame gen features, slightly better performance, on something more efficient. 1 1 1 13900KF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldarxt Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 38 minutes ago, Papusan said: Yup, the real Nvidia way. Is less more than more @ryan? Maybe in my disturbed world I understand the weighted values wrong🤫 https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-6gb-to-feature-2304-cuda-cores-and-70w-tdp This new 3050 model is to feature a reduced core count, reduced memory size, bandwidth, and power. Not something that should be carrying a similar name at all. One cannot help but wonder why this card is called RTX 3050, not RTX 3040. Nvidia employees were trained on the Less Than video! 1 2 Clevo P870DM3-G i9-9900k-32.0GB 2667mhz-RTX3080+GTX1080 Alienware M18x R2 i7-3920xm-32GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM-16GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM 20GB DDR3-P4000 120hz 3D Precision m6700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-GTX 970M Precision m4700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-T2000M HP ZBook 17 G6 i7 9850H-32GB DDR4-RTX4000maxQ GOBOXX SLM G2721-i7-10875H RTX 3000-32GB ddr4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cylix Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Papusan said: ASUS ROG STRIX RTX 4080 SUPER priced at £1,350 in the UK, 40% above NVIDIA MSRP https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-strix-rtx-4080-super-priced-at-1350-in-the-uk-40-above-nvidia-msrp Remember there is huge shortage of 4090's. Some want the flagship cards so whats better than 4080 Super nowadays? Asus know it. The same do all the other OEMs. I hope this is just a bad April fools Joke. But we are still only in January. £1,350... That's only $1,718.21 United States Dollar. But this is included the U.K Tax nightmare (still lower than here home). Is 40% price premium acceptable for the higher end SKUs? That would mean a higher end 4090 OC card would be priced at... $2238 as lowest price. Not far from todays prices for 4090's. If you cand find some. China and nvidia is the big devil in this mess. + the scalpers that try grab cards for the Chineese market. Thats the ASUS "Premium" tax, pay the name tax and later when you need to RMA it, curse them. You can get from other producers at MSRP Price or close. Dont need to pay Asus for their stupid Strix Name.. 1 1 7950X3D| Zotac 4090 AMP Extreme Airo| MSI MPG B650 Edge Wifi| Lian Li Galahad 360 V2| 48GB GSkillTrident Z RGB 7600|Kingston KC3000 2TB| Fury Renegade 2TB| Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo| Corsair HX1500i| Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo Asus Zephyrus G15 (Ryzen 9 6900HS + RTX3080) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, cylix said: Thats the ASUS "Premium" tax, pay the name tax and later when you need to RMA it, curse them. You can get from other producers at MSRP Price or close. Dont need to pay Asus for their stupid Strix Name.. We can talk more about premium. Premium has to be today's word. Keen on helping Microsoft to pay their bill? It's only $20 USD per month @Mr. Fox Or $240 USD per year. I'm not so lucky... Only $300 with the dreaded and forced tax. Will I pay for this? Nope. I wonder how much nagging we will see in Windows 10/11...... Funding AI chatbots is expensive, and Microsoft will ask nag those users who want the latest features of its Copilot AI chatbot to subscribe to a new plan: Copilot Pro, available for $20 per user per month. Microsoft Copilot adds a premium subscription, Copilot Pro 1 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 8 hours ago, Etern4l said: That is a worrying reference in this context since dragons generally breathe fire under stress 😂 BTW speaking of our “friends” at NVidia: China's military and government acquire Nvidia chips despite US ban I'm shocked that China was able to acquire Nvidia chips despite the ban.....absolutely in shock I say! We can throw all the tariffs and bans we want at China but with so many channels available for acquiring Nvidia hardware, it is basically impossible to stop them from getting what they want. Truly, the only way to hurt China is economically at this point, and that ship is slowly but surely changing course as we (and other countries) start to look beyond optimal profitability and move manufacturing facilities to other countries. We have to do what countries did to Japan economically decades ago but on a much grander scale as China potentially presents a much greater threat especially with Taiwan. 3 hours ago, Papusan said: ASUS ROG STRIX RTX 4080 SUPER priced at £1,350 in the UK, 40% above NVIDIA MSRP https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-strix-rtx-4080-super-priced-at-1350-in-the-uk-40-above-nvidia-msrp Remember there is huge shortage of 4090's. Some want the flagship cards so whats better than 4080 Super nowadays? Asus know it. The same do all the other OEMs. I hope this is just a bad April fools Joke. But we are still only in January. £1,350... That's only $1,718.21 United States Dollar. But this is included the U.K Tax nightmare (still lower than here home). Is 40% price premium acceptable for the higher end SKUs? That would mean a higher end 4090 OC card would be priced at... $2238 as lowest price. Not far from todays prices for 4090's. If you cand find some. China and nvidia is the big devil in this mess. + the scalpers that try grab cards for the Chineese market. I never judge the market on Asus and their ridiculous premium price mark ups. Until consumers get it out of their heads that "Asus equals premium brand" there will continue to be a segment that will pay that massive markup on their products when they really don't deliver more than MSI and some others. 2 2 Electrosoft Prime: SP109 14900KS | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x16GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldarxt Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 5 hours ago, electrosoft said: I'm shocked that China was able to acquire Nvidia chips despite the ban.....absolutely in shock I say! We can throw all the tariffs and bans we want at China but with so many channels available for acquiring Nvidia hardware, it is basically impossible to stop them from getting what they want. Truly, the only way to hurt China is economically at this point, and that ship is slowly but surely changing course as we (and other countries) start to look beyond optimal profitability and move manufacturing facilities to other countries. We have to do what countries did to Japan economically decades ago but on a much grander scale as China potentially presents a much greater threat especially with Taiwan. I never judge the market on Asus and their ridiculous premium price mark ups. Until consumers get it out of their heads that "Asus equals premium brand" there will continue to be a segment that will pay that massive markup on their products when they really don't deliver more than MSI and some others. I am not shocked at all, our Govt. can't ban anything, "It is to be expected" China even hacked into one of our Aircraft Carriers out in the Pacific, one of The so called "Worlds Deadliest Weapons" 6 hours ago, Papusan said: We can talk more about premium. Premium has to be today's word. Keen on helping Microsoft to pay their bill? It's only $20 USD per month @Mr. Fox Or $240 USD per year. I'm not so lucky... Only $300 with the dreaded and forced tax. Will I pay for this? Nope. I wonder how much nagging we will see in Windows 10/11...... Funding AI chatbots is expensive, and Microsoft will ask nag those users who want the latest features of its Copilot AI chatbot to subscribe to a new plan: Copilot Pro, available for $20 per user per month. Microsoft Copilot adds a premium subscription, Copilot Pro SEEEEE!!! AI is Under Control Now! 1 1 1 1 Clevo P870DM3-G i9-9900k-32.0GB 2667mhz-RTX3080+GTX1080 Alienware M18x R2 i7-3920xm-32GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM-16GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM 20GB DDR3-P4000 120hz 3D Precision m6700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-GTX 970M Precision m4700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-T2000M HP ZBook 17 G6 i7 9850H-32GB DDR4-RTX4000maxQ GOBOXX SLM G2721-i7-10875H RTX 3000-32GB ddr4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 NVIDIA call it "what the market bears" but that is not it at all. It's a science figuring out how much customers are willing to be screwed. Knowing when they are going to pull their pants up and walk away is key. They also need to know how many are fundamentally stupid. I think maybe we should stop worrying about China's technical capabilities and focus on something more effective and easier to control. Something like cutting off their food and crude oil supply and banning travel into China or travel out of China. They can't eat silicon or AI. They need fuel to function. In an absence of fuel there is no production. Starving enemies that lack the essentials needed to sustain life are seldom a threat. Combine that with banning the purchase and import of products that originate in China, refusal to share any knowledge or resources, and you neutralize the threat. No food + no exports + no imports + no money to buy things = third world poverty and famine. https://chinapower.csis.org/china-food-security/ https://www.cfr.org/article/china-increasingly-relies-imported-food-thats-problem 2 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, aldarxt said: I am not shocked at all, our Govt. can't ban anything, "It is to be expected" China even hacked into one of our Aircraft Carriers out in the Pacific, one of The so called "Worlds Deadliest Weapons" I meant that first line with a little bit of tongue in cheek aka sarcasm. 🙂 3 Electrosoft Prime: SP109 14900KS | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x16GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: They also need to know how many are fundamentally stupid. What you think they use the AI power and all personal data/privacy for?🙂 Your friendly AI chatbot could know a lot about you from the.... AI could accurately guess sensitive information about a person based on what they type online, according to a new study by researchers at ETH Zurich that was published in October. 2 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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