*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

16 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Congrats. That was a good deal.

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Thanks!

 

Funny, but I was just revving the engine to start to seek out a nicely binned 14900k/ks for this push for a 12.4L SSF as I want to try to "re-tame" a 14900ks with the EK Nucleus CR240 sitting on the shelf that I used with the 13900KS with zero throttling.

 

I was kicking myself a bit because I had turned down an SP108 14900KS for $800 because I didn't need it at the time a few months ago and thought I should have picked it up just in case.

 

Debating on picking up another MSI Z790i Edge or going with a Strix z790i for something new(ish) as I explored that Z790i Edge from every possible angle so no new ground to tread but I really love those boards. Amazon Warehouse has the Strix Z790i for $230 (normally $450)
 

How far were you able to push the MSI Z90i edge memory? I was limited by my sticks at the time as tested across three systems, they just wouldn't do much over 8000 (G4 x670e, MSI z790i edge, G4 Asrock B650 2 dimmer) tested but could boot 8400 and individually 8600.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

How far were you able to push the MSI Z90i edge memory? I was limited by my sticks at the time as tested across three systems, they just wouldn't do much over 8000 (G4 x670e, MSI z790i edge, G4 Asrock B650 2 dimmer) tested but could boot 8400 and individually 8600.

Temps are the challenge with air cooling. I have landed on 8200 C36 (see HWiNFO in last post with screenshots) as the daily driver. 8400 and 8600 just get way too hot on air, especially in a restrictive SFF case. Even 8200 was too hot with stock heating blankets. The fan helps a little, but didn't with the stock trash covers.

[tps3443]

I thought the new Gigabyte Z790 ITX motherboard was really good at ram OC? I’d go for that. 

[tps3443]

7 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

Nice! I did not know about these so thanks for sharing! Looks like there's a new top dog SSD for me to get.

 

Edit: Did the calculations, and the theoretical max random read on this model is 781.25 MB/sec, or about 20% faster than the theoretical max of a P5800X. Hot dang! I also saw there was a P5810X model, which seems to be the 2.5 inch version of ths P5801X.

Not sure why the P5810X is so expensive either that is an interesting one though.
 

But price to performance the Intel P5801X wins. A lot of guys in China are running these E1S P5801X gum stick style Optanes. There is a website called Bilibili it’s like Chinese YouTube lol. Many videos on there about the P5801X, some even show its performance in benchmarks. See this one video below, and you can see an unboxing of P5801X and it shows off that very hefty heatsink they have, and the really well engineered design. And they still get very warm. But they are a nice quality looking piece of storage. They are very tall and thick. I am assuming this is to keep them from throttling since they consume so much power for something so small.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Qp421y7N5/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

 

The drive below is Gen4, so you’d have those super fast speeds. But the latency from these things are so low, and such high IOPS would make this drive absolutely superior in speed and feel using Windows daily compared those traditional Gen4/Gen5 M.2’s. 

 

[tps3443]

Hey, @Mr. Fox I notice you bought a Alphacool Eisblock for your 4090 Gaming OC. But did you buy the V2 version since you have a 4090 Gaming OC V2? I’m looking at three blocks maybe (3) versions Alphacool makes for the 4090 Gaming OC. 
 

#1 Alphacool Eisblock Gaming OC

#2 Alphacool Eisblock V2 Gaming OC

#3 Alphacool Core Gaming OC V2

 

I really like the Alphacool Core V2, it wraps around the whole PCB but it’s a little more expensive. I think since you had a solid experience, I’ll grab one. Don’t think I’ll leave the 4090 on air 🤣

 

[electrosoft]

On 7/3/2024 at 12:36 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Temps are the challenge with air cooling. I have landed on 8200 C36 (see HWiNFO in last post with screenshots) as the daily driver. 8400 and 8600 just get way too hot on air, especially in a restrictive SFF case. Even 8200 was too hot with stock heating blankets. The fan helps a little, but didn't with the stock trash covers.

 

Were you able to hit 8400 and 8600 for short term testing before temps became an issue? I do know the Strix board I tested briefly before (Z790i) wouldn't even post past 8200 while the MSI Z790i would hit 8400 and 8600 for at least posting with the 13900KS SP115.

 

18 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I thought the new Gigabyte Z790 ITX motherboard was really good at ram OC? I’d go for that. 

 

Ugh, Gigabyte.....no thanks. 🤣 I have yet to have had a good experience with a Gigabyte board from Z390 through Z590. Reading over the Z790i Ultra from them I'm not doing backflips....

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Hey, @Mr. Fox I notice you bought a Alphacool Eisblock for your 4090 Gaming OC. But did you buy the V2 version since you have a 4090 Gaming OC V2? I’m looking at three blocks maybe (3) versions Alphacool makes for the 4090 Gaming OC. 
 

#1 Alphacool Eisblock Gaming OC

#2 Alphacool Eisblock V2 Gaming OC

#3 Alphacool Core Gaming OC V2

 

I really like the Alphacool Core V2, it wraps around the whole PCB but it’s a little more expensive. I think since you had a solid experience, I’ll grab one. Don’t think I’ll leave the 4090 on air 🤣

 

When I placed the order from Titan Rig the V2 was not part of the product description. I emailed them about it and they said it was the V2. They had to email Alphacool to ask because it was not clear to them and the V2 was a new release.

https://www.titanrig.com/alphacool-eisblock-aurora-geforce-rtx-4090-aorus-master-gaming-v2-gpu-water-block-with-backplate-0320ac037101on.html?

They have a promo for 15% off right now.

15 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Were you able to hit 8400 and 8600 for short term testing before temps became an issue? I do know the Strix board I tested briefly before (Z790i) wouldn't even post past 8200 while the MSI Z790i would hit 8400 and 8600 for at least posting with the 13900KS SP115.

 

 

Ugh, Gigabyte.....no thanks. 🤣 I have yet to have had a good experience with a Gigabyte board from Z390 through Z590. Reading over the Z790i Ultra from them I'm not doing backflips....

Yes, I was able to run it at 8400 but could not complete stability tests like TM5 due to the high temps. It would start throwing errors when the memory temps exceeded 45-48°C but didn't have any instability evident at temperatures below that. I still have that issue even with the Bykski heatsinks and fans blowing on the modules, it just takes longer for them to get that hot, so I dropped the speed down to 8200 and lowered the voltage accordingly. Running with the side panel removed and a fan blowing cooler air into the chassis was helpful, but doing that kind of negates any basis for having the parts installed in a SFF case instead of an open bench.

[tps3443]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

When I placed the order from Titan Rig the V2 was not part of the product description. I emailed them about it and they said it was the V2. They had to email Alphacool to ask because it was not clear to them and the V2 was a new release.

https://www.titanrig.com/alphacool-eisblock-aurora-geforce-rtx-4090-aorus-master-gaming-v2-gpu-water-block-with-backplate-0320ac037101on.html?

They have a promo for 15% off right now.

Yes, I was able to run it at 8400 but could not complete stability tests like TM5 due to the high temps. It would start throwing errors when the memory temps exceeded 45-48°C but didn't have any instability evident at temperatures below that. I still have that issue even with the Bykski heatsinks and fans blowing on the modules, it just takes longer for them to get that hot, so I dropped the speed down to 8200 and lowered the voltage accordingly. Running with the side panel removed and a fan blowing cooler air into the chassis was helpful, but doing that kind of negates any basis for having the parts installed in a SFF case instead of an open bench.

Have you seen the Alphacool Core V2? I’m gonna get one of these. It looks pretty nice. It wraps around the whole GPU, and the actual block is longer and covers the PCB. As for the terminals, it’s made to the block so the terminal and block are one piece. 
 

 

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Have you seen the Alphacool Core V2? I’m gonna get one of these. It looks pretty nice. It wraps around the whole GPU, and the actual block is longer and covers the PCB. As for the terminals, it’s made to the block so the terminal and block are one piece. 
 

 

I do not think that it existed at the time I purchased my block. If it did, it wasn't available for my GPU yet. It does look very nice. One thing I really like about the Alphacool blocks is the o-ring does not have any goofy curves that make servicing the block more difficult. It's just square and installing a new o-ring should be easier to keep in place during assembly.

[tps3443]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I do not think that it existed at the time I purchased my block. If it did, it wasn't available for my GPU yet. It does look very nice.

It does look good. The Eisblock is still available though, and may get it just because it’s less expensive. Alphacool is stepping it up for sure though. All of their GPU blocks are less expensive than the EKWB, Heatkiller, and Optimus. And based on the comparisons they perform almost as well as the Optimus in GPU temps, and actually better than the Optimus in VRAM temps. 

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

It does look good. The Eisblock is still available though, and may get it just because it’s less expensive. Alphacool is stepping it up for sure though. All of their GPU blocks are less expensive than the EKWB, Heatkiller, and Optimus. And based on the comparisons they perform almost as well as the Optimus in GPU temps, and actually better than the Optimus in VRAM temps. 

Yeah, I really like mine. No complaints. Spending a whole lot more for minimal improvement isn't very smart. I've had acceptable results from my Byski GPU blocks as well, but the Alphacool block is built better (and a little bit more expensive) and I like it better than the Byski blocks. This was my first Alphacool GPU block. Even if all things were equal, I think I'd prefer to give my money to a German company than a Chinese company. I really like the fact that Optimus is an American company, but I don't like their high prices and limited availability. They rarely have anything available when I am ready to buy parts. If it were possible to never purchase anything produced by a Chinese company, I would choose that option.

[ryan]

I asked Donald Trump if i was in a Truman show. He gave a one word reply !true!

 

Sucks having mental illness, even worse dealing with ignorance 

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, ryan said:

Sucks dealing with ignorance 

I agree. It ruins everything. But, Libtards are guaranteed the right to be ignorant and even allowed to place senile, geriatric, chimo, degenerate zombies with compulsive lying disorders in charge of destroying everything that makes our nation decent. It will be good to get back to Making America Great Again come November, and maybe send some of them to prison for their abuses of the judicial system, misappropriation of tax dollars, other conspiracies, high crimes, felonies and acts of treason.

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@tps3443 did you grab that Zero Dawn on GOG? I snagged some cheap old games on Steam as well. Mortal Kombat 11, Injustice 2 and Terminator Resistance. I was sad to find two of them capped at 60 FPS, but haven't looked to see if there are any config file hacks to uncork that silly nonsense. (I think that capped FPS is common on fighting games for some stupid reason.)

4090

A770

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I agree. It ruins everything. But, Libtards are guaranteed the right to be ignorant and even allowed to place senile, geriatric, chimo, degenerate zombies with compulsive lying disorders in charge of destroying everything that makes our nation decent. It will be good to get back to Making America Great Again come November, and maybe send some of them to prison for their abuses of the judicial system, misappropriation of tax dollars, other conspiracies, high crimes, felonies and acts of treason.

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@tps3443 did you grab that Zero Dawn on GOG? I snagged some cheap old games on Steam as well. MKII, Injustice 2 and Terminator Resistance. I was sad to find two of them capped at 60 FPS, but haven't looked to see if there are any config file hacks to uncork that silly nonsense.

4090

A770

 

Yes, I actually owned that one already (I was thinking it was the 2nd one or something) I’ll give it a test though with my 4080 Super and see how it compares. Can you share the graphic settings? 

[Mr. Fox]

24 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Yes, I actually owned that one already (I was thinking it was the 2nd one or something) I’ll give it a test though with my 4080 Super and see how it compares. Can you share the graphic settings? 

Sure, here they are:

I have not installed it on my system with the 4K monitor, so 1440p is the highest resolution tested so far.

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have not installed it on my system with the 4K monitor, so 1440p is the highest resolution tested so far.

@tps3443 same settings as above only 4K. If you choose full screen instead of borderless you may find the benchmark doesn't read performance correctly for some reason. Not even close, but not sure why. (On my systems full screen reflects a single-digit average framerate, 0 FPS min and max about 100 FPS higher than actual, so there is some kind of bug with full screen setting.)

[Rage Set]

I know Asrock was doing this but I didn't know Zotac and Gigabyte were placing Warranty Voided if Removed stickers.

 

I one of those that reported Asrock to the FTC about those illegal stickers.

 

https://www.techspot.com/news/103669-ftc-warns-pc-manufacturers-consumers-have-right-repair.html

 

 

[electrosoft]

14900KS SP109 arrived early today versus Monday. I can only test it on an Asus Prime B660 (system for sale I haven't even listed yet) or Strix Z690 (wife's system w/ 12900k) atm.

 

Currently on the hunt for 2x24GB sticks 8000+. I've narrowed it down to the usual suspects from G.skill and Teamgroup but found a good price on some Patriot 8200 sticks 2x24GB for $190 here

 

Decent review here from TT.

 

Anyone else with better bang:buck sticks recommendations?

 

Also Teamgroup sticks for $269 but you get a $110 360mm aRGB AIO for free with it...lol.

 

34 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

I know Asrock was doing this but I didn't know Zotac and Gigabyte were placing Warranty Voided if Removed stickers.

 

I one of those that reported Asrock to the FTC about those illegal stickers.

 

https://www.techspot.com/news/103669-ftc-warns-pc-manufacturers-consumers-have-right-repair.html

 

 

 

Just a scummy move and another layer of companies trying to deny warranty claims to save $$$. Imagine if we didn't have the FTC what would happen? We need consumer protection laws like the EU has which are vastly superior to ours.

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

I know Asrock was doing this but I didn't know Zotac and Gigabyte were placing Warranty Voided if Removed stickers.

 

I one of those that reported Asrock to the FTC about those illegal stickers.

 

https://www.techspot.com/news/103669-ftc-warns-pc-manufacturers-consumers-have-right-repair.html

 

 

Every person that files complaints and YouTube crusaders like Louis Rossman and Steve Burke at GN make a difference.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Just a scummy move and another layer of companies trying to deny warranty claims to save $$$. Imagine if we didn't have the FTC what would happen? We need consumer protection laws like the EU has which are vastly superior to ours.

Nice to see it finally getting some attention. All the governments of the world need to hold Chinese manufacturers accountable for their scummy behavior. Allowing them to get away with the nonsense makes it easier for them to sell defective trash and get away with it. They're not alone, but it seems like most of the time (excluding crApple) when this right to repair interference surfaces it is with a Chinese manufacturer. They need to also start forcing the issue with making service part specs, part numbers, service manuals and schematics available. One of the few things Dell has done consistently well and better than competitors is publish service manuals and made components available, and offered reasonable warranty service and not tried to void warranties of those that service their own computers. But, they haven't released schematics.

[Rage Set]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Every person that files complaints and YouTube crusaders like Louis Rossman and Steve Burke at GN make a difference.

 

Remember, before I purchased the Asrock 6900 XT, I posted here about them in regards to the warranty voided information they had on their website. I wrote to their customer service about it (never got a response) that I would be reporting it. I screenshot and downloaded their warranty pdf, filed a complaint with the FTC.

 

About a month ago, I checked Asrock's US website, and all of the language about voiding your warranty if you remove the sticker or open up your GPU is gone. While the public information is gone, I don't know if their internal processes reflect the change. I haven't needed to use their warranty. 

[electrosoft]

I went with the Patriot 2x24GB set since they're the Hynix  modules and that price is great. I don't need the Teamgroup 360mm AIO even doing the offset cost  it is $160 vs $189 but I just don't have a need for it nor would it be a model I would seek out plus I get 6% back from Amazon on top of that. $190 shipped when all is said and done.

 

All the bad reviews on Amazon are from the 2x16GB 2GB 8000mhz older modules which were already at or near  their limits most likely anyhow (especially if Samsung).

 

Here's a nice write up on the Patriot 2 x 24GB kit if someone is interested in giving them a try too. Post is only 1d old as of this post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I went with the Patriot 2x24GB set since they're the Hynix  modules and that price is great. I don't need the Teamgroup 360mm AIO even doing the offset cost  it is $160 vs $189 but I just don't have a need for it nor would it be a model I would seek out plus I get 6% back from Amazon on top of that. $190 shipped when all is said and done.

 

All the bad reviews on Amazon are from the 2x16GB 2GB 8000mhz older modules which were already at or near  their limits most likely anyhow (especially if Samsung).

 

Here's a nice write up on the Patriot 2 x 24GB kit if someone is interested in giving them a try too. Post is only 1d old as of this post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I tried the Patriot 8200 C38’s when they first came out. I loved the easy disassembly with screws and they have a PMIC thermal pad too. Very nice kit. But the big misconception about ram is I think all the 3Gbit stuff is equally good and capable of 8600+, and any kit is only as good as your IMC. Even at lower speeds. My G.Skill 8200’s required 1.500V to run 8400c40 on my R-Batch and other CPU, but my current chip can run them at 8400c40 at 1.350V. I think all of these ram kits are equally good up top though, and all of them can probably reach similar speeds. We’re just IMC limited. 

[electrosoft]

25 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I tried the Patriot 8200 C38’s when they first came out. I loved the easy disassembly with screws and they have a PMIC thermal pad too. Very nice kit. But the big misconception about ram is, It’s only as good as your IMC. Even at lower speeds. My G.Skill 8200’s required 1.500V to run 8400c40 on my R-Batch and other CPU, but my current chip can run them at 8600c40 at 1.400V. I think all of these ram kits are equally good up top, and all of them can probably reach similar speeds. We’re just IMC limited. 

 

Preach. 🙂

 

 

I think all of us in this thread know about hitting IMC walls at one time or another.... 🤣

 

Agreed they are all about the same up top, hence shopping for best bang:buck. I'm not dropping $350 on a pair of G.Skill 8400 2x24GB sticks. I saw in the review where they noted the screwed down heatsinks made it easy to remove them for aftermarket heatsinks. They just made sense across the board. I love hardware but I'm also very frugal (my daughter calls me a tightwad).

 

My objective is to remove ram as the limitation at least as it was the wall I hit before across three systems (2x AMD, 1x Intel) and I leave the other variables in play (CPU, MB). 1DPC w/ the Strix will help but in the end, my objective is 8000 tight but I will of course tweak and tune as high as possible for at least benching.

 

I plan on slapping the 14900KS SP109 in the wife's system first on the Z690 DDR4 board because I want to see if those sticks I bought from @Mr. Fox a few years back can go any further.  They could do 4100 on my 12900k cool hand luke that is in my NH55 now. With the other 12900k I delidded and swapped in to the Z690, it can only do  ~4000 B-die tight, but when I tested them with my old 10900k golden chip back then they had no problems doing 4500 so I know the sticks are righteous and good to go. Plus it is a quick way to verify the V/F curve.

 

I ordered the memory. Once I verify the CPU I'll order the Strix Z790i and then slap it all in my test bench for a few weeks of fun testing with the 7900xtx and Suprin 4090 before then moving into shoehorning it into the S450 SFF 12.7L case.

 

I do plan on testing Intel's APO extensively with WoW since it is supported to see how it stacks up against the 7950X3D and binned 7800X3D (aka CCD0 turned off). Even at 4k, I'm CPU limited in numerous scenarios and GPU utilization will dip to 88-90% since WoW is still massively CPU dependent and not fully multithreaded even with the engine overhaul.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ryan]

Bought two tablets. Yoga 11 and p11 pro from Lenovo. Returned them. For a month they said wait 24 to 48 hours for refund. Shows they received it on UPS. They acknowledged receiving yoga tab and sleeve. Now they are saying package didn't have weight so they denied my refund. Out 750 dollars. Never dealing with Lenovo again, they operate like those scammers you see on you tube

[Raiderman]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I went with the Patriot 2x24GB set since they're the Hynix  modules and that price is great. I don't need the Teamgroup 360mm AIO even doing the offset cost  it is $160 vs $189 but I just don't have a need for it nor would it be a model I would seek out plus I get 6% back from Amazon on top of that. $190 shipped when all is said and done.

 

All the bad reviews on Amazon are from the 2x16GB 2GB 8000mhz older modules which were already at or near  their limits most likely anyhow (especially if Samsung).

 

Here's a nice write up on the Patriot 2 x 24GB kit if someone is interested in giving them a try too. Post is only 1d old as of this post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bro @chew probably has some pretty extensive testing knowledge with those Patriot modules 🤷‍♂️