*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Preach. 🙂

 

 

I think all of us in this thread know about hitting IMC walls at one time or another.... 🤣

 

Agreed they are all about the same up top, hence shopping for best bang:buck. I'm not dropping $350 on a pair of G.Skill 8400 2x24GB sticks. I saw in the review where they noted the screwed down heatsinks made it easy to remove them for aftermarket heatsinks. They just made sense across the board. I love hardware but I'm also very frugal (my daughter calls me a tightwad).

 

My objective is to remove ram as the limitation at least as it was the wall I hit before across three systems (2x AMD, 1x Intel) and I leave the other variables in play (CPU, MB). 1DPC w/ the Strix will help but in the end, my objective is 8000 tight but I will of course tweak and tune as high as possible for at least benching.

 

I plan on slapping the 14900KS SP109 in the wife's system first on the Z690 DDR4 board because I want to see if those sticks I bought from @Mr. Fox a few years back can go any further.  They could do 4100 on my 12900k cool hand luke that is in my NH55 now. With the other 12900k I delidded and swapped in to the Z690, it can only do  ~4000 B-die tight, but when I tested them with my old 10900k golden chip back then they had no problems doing 4500 so I know the sticks are righteous and good to go. Plus it is a quick way to verify the V/F curve.

 

I ordered the memory. Once I verify the CPU I'll order the Strix Z790i and then slap it all in my test bench for a few weeks of fun testing with the 7900xtx and Suprin 4090 before then moving into shoehorning it into the S450 SFF 12.7L case.

 

I do plan on testing Intel's APO extensively with WoW since it is supported to see how it stacks up against the 7950X3D and binned 7800X3D (aka CCD0 turned off). Even at 4k, I'm CPU limited in numerous scenarios and GPU utilization will dip to 88-90% since WoW is still massively CPU dependent and not fully multithreaded even with the engine overhaul.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know, when I was gaming playing Cyberpunk, I turned off/on my E-Cores out of curiosity in the video below. So just a straight 5.9P 8/16 CPU essentially. I noticed some hitching periodically and some GPU usage drops periodically too. Turning on E-Cores fixed this right away. I had consistent GPU usage when E-Cores were on, and it was just crazy smooth. But not with them E-Cores off . Really makes me wonder if there actually is an advantage with Intel and these E-Cores handling windows back ground stuff in certain titles that no one has mentioned as a possible problem for these 8/16 chips. I mean, if my 14900KS with E-Cores disabled and only 8/16 at 5.9Ghz and DDR5 8600 and a 4080S can’t handle the heat, then a 7800X3D certainly cannot with a 4090+ GPU right? Enabling these E-Cores alleviates this dropped GPU usage and smoothness. I caught this in my video below. And just found it interesting. It always made me think a 5800X3D or 7800X3D AMD CPU would never be enough core wise for some of these well optimized newer games, where 8/16 is just not enough running a 4090. This leads me back to my memories/experience with the 11900K chips (Those were not enough either with a 3090 at times)
 

This is 1080P so it’s the ultimate CPU test lol. But still I have to give props for the 14900KS performance as a whole. 
 

In the video I start out with E-Cores on, then I work them all! Then I re-enable them. 
 

 

 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

You know, when I was gaming playing Cyberpunk, I turned off/on my E-Cores out of curiosity in the video below. So just a straight 5.9P 8/16 CPU essentially. I noticed some hitching periodically and some GPU usage drops periodically too. Turning on E-Cores fixed this right away. I had consistent GPU usage when E-Cores were on, and it was just crazy smooth. But not with them E-Cores off . Really makes me wonder if there actually is an advantage with Intel and these E-Cores handling windows back ground stuff in certain titles that no one has mentioned as a possible problem for these 8/16 chips. I mean, if my 14900KS with E-Cores disabled and only 8/16 at 5.9Ghz and DDR5 8600 and a 4080S can’t handle the heat, then a 7800X3D certainly cannot with a 4090+ GPU right? Enabling these E-Cores alleviates this dropped GPU usage and smoothness. I caught this in my video below. And just found it interesting. It always made me think a 5800X3D or 7800X3D AMD CPU would never be enough core wise for some of these well optimized newer games, where 8/16 is just not enough running a 4090. This leads me back to my memories/experience with the 11900K chips (Those were not enough either with a 3090 at times)
 

This is 1080P so it’s the ultimate CPU test lol. But still I have to give props for the 14900KS performance as a whole. 
 

In the video I start out with E-Cores on, then I work them all! Then I re-enable them. 
 

 

 

 

I actually watched that the other night. I'm subbed to your channel. I really liked the consistent fps and smooth performance with no hitching when running full tilt.  I think I posted it many months ago, but taking several weeks to test and tune my 13900ks at 8000 CL36  the 13900ks was neck and neck with my 7800X3D at the time. Out of box vs out of box running at 7200 (intel) vs 6000 (amd), 7800X3D really outclassed it but once tuned up? It was a good shoot out and I think my final conclusion was I could be happy with either at that point.

 

7800X3D was tuned as I had had it for some time. 13900ks was tuned with a UV and dialed in LLC on the MSI Z790i Edge with the EK Nucleus 240 and 7950X3D out of the box as it was nearly fresh and new (both CCDs enabled)

 

 

Now, the idea is to run that better/binned X3D CCD = binned 7800X3D vs 14900KS tuned up with and without APO optimizations and see where we land again with the 4090. It will give me an excuse to swap in my MSI 1300w PSU too.

 

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When the 12900k dropped and testing WoW, turning off e-cores actually provided better performance. It could have been a first gen architectural issue and/or teething issues with scheduling, but by the time the 13900ks dropped, keeping e-cores on provided equal if not better performance overall along with a better overall bump to performance. Now we have APO that supports WoW that's supposed to boost even more so we'll see.

 

I know you like to test games yourself. If you ever want to test WoW, you will need to test the newest content as it has all the enhancements so Shadowlands and Dragon Isles only.  Problem is you will need a level 60 character and lots of leveling to get to the point to do the best test spots (flight runs in Ardenweald for SL / Coast to coast flight in DI along with camping out in Valdrakken aka the CPU slayer).

 

Nothing is more irritating than some YTers that load into basic WoW which is still running assets meant to run on a patched version of their 2007 engine and go, "lolz, 400fps....lolz....WoW will run on a tin can....lolz...I rule!!!111!!1" I usually hop into the comments and say they need to test in content from the last 4-5yrs to really get an idea.

 

I might finally retire my EVGA CLC 360mm from my test case as it is being outclassed now by even my EK Nucleus 240mm and pick up the latest and baddest 360mm for it. I'll have to go take a looksy.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

12 hours ago, ryan said:

Bought two tablets. Yoga 11 and p11 pro from Lenovo. Returned them. For a month they said wait 24 to 48 hours for refund. Shows they received it on UPS. They acknowledged receiving yoga tab and sleeve. Now they are saying package didn't have weight so they denied my refund. Out 750 dollars. Never dealing with Lenovo again, they operate like those scammers you see on you tube

If you have proof of the return take them to small claims court. You'll easily win and if they don't show up you'll win by default. It will only cost you time. Never buy Lenovo garbage. They are a trashy company that specializes in selling trash.

 

Why did you buy two tablets? You probably could have built or bought an insane high-end monster desktop with the cumulative money you have spent on disposable rubbish portable electronics in the past couple of years.

[Raiderman]

@electrosoft @jaybee83 this is good news, and somewhat surprising.

Zen 5 launch prices expected to be lower than zen 4 launch prices!

 

https://www.bundle.app/en/technology/amd-may-be-doing-something-unprecedented-with-ryzen-9000-C6626952-2124-40D2-8623-0ABF6F065C95

[ryan]

@Mr. Fox I wanted a p11 they sent a yoga. Then I got the p11 and realized they were very similar so returned both. I ended up with a leia lume pad 2. Happy with it. Only reason is real racing 3. Its a very enjoyable racing game, Neverending game well seems that way. And yes I could have bought a killer desktop but I don't want one quite yet. If I do save up for a desktop I want a 5090 and 14k. I'm happy with what I have now but honestly need to sell 2  laptops that just sit. They are up for sale on kijiji but no one's interested even at half their value. Might have to try ebay

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

@electrosoft @jaybee83 this is good news, and somewhat surprising.

Zen 5 launch prices expected to be lower than zen 4 launch prices!

 

https://www.bundle.app/en/technology/amd-may-be-doing-something-unprecedented-with-ryzen-9000-C6626952-2124-40D2-8623-0ABF6F065C95

 

yeah i had already seen rumours on that online regarding pricing very comparable to Zen 4. lets hope this is not indicative of non-competitive performance vs. Intel and Zen 4 😄 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

@electrosoft @jaybee83 this is good news, and somewhat surprising.

Zen 5 launch prices expected to be lower than zen 4 launch prices!

 

https://www.bundle.app/en/technology/amd-may-be-doing-something-unprecedented-with-ryzen-9000-C6626952-2124-40D2-8623-0ABF6F065C95

 

Better pricing always works but.....

 

14 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

yeah i had already seen rumours on that online regarding pricing very comparable to Zen 4. lets hope this is not indicative of non-competitive performance vs. Intel and Zen 4 😄 

 

......this.

 

For some reason, I'm not expecting a massive uplift or performance bump. Evolutionary vs revolutionary round 2.

 

I'm definitely in hold mode till X3D and will snuggle up to my 7950X3D till that time and maybe beyond before price cuts hit.

 

Pricing also might reflect market saturation along with real world worldwide market conditions along with stagnant opening sales for AMD last time around because pricing was too high across the board (CPU, MB and DDR5).

 

 

 

 

[chew]

On 7/5/2024 at 8:39 PM, Raiderman said:

Bro @chew probably has some pretty extensive testing knowledge with those Patriot modules 🤷‍♂️

 

hmm reading that reddit made my brain spin......in fact actually 2x16gb A will out perform M die any day of the week  Not to say 48gb M die is trash.....it has it's advantages......but if talking shear cpc performance A die has 120ns capability and M has 160ns capability and usually with M the luck isn't there.......I've seen way more A do 120 than I have seen M do 160....

 

Not that you can't do cool shit with M.......

 

All ambient all cores enabled......just hashing out what imc's can do before getting them cold.....

 

KF Ambient

 

 

KS ambient

 

K Ambient

 

And then i guess we call this bench mode......

 

 

so much for the tachyon can't do over 8200 complainers......

[chew]

On 7/6/2024 at 5:46 PM, electrosoft said:

 

Better pricing always works but.....

 

 

......this.

 

For some reason, I'm not expecting a massive uplift or performance bump. Evolutionary vs revolutionary round 2.

 

I'm definitely in hold mode till X3D and will snuggle up to my 7950X3D till that time and maybe beyond before price cuts hit.

 

Pricing also might reflect market saturation along with real world worldwide market conditions along with stagnant opening sales for AMD last time around because pricing was too high across the board (CPU, MB and DDR5).

 

 

 

 

AMD gonna have to do a lot of convincing to make me move from my open box 7800x3d.

 

It can do 6600 64gb 8000+ 64gb

 

And i daily it at a conservative 6200/2233 with 1-2-0 nitro @ very low voltage.

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/99179/intels-new-lga-1851-socket-uses-rl-ilm-loading-mechanism-improved-thermals-and-more/index.html

 

Pay more if you want the best for next generation. Why can't Intel make one simple single high quality proper ILM that can be used years forwards? One fifth all sockets and with the best contact. ILM for 1700 boards was awful. A lotteri. Some goth good contact while others had thermal problems. 

 

Btw. On my 1 month Canary summer vacation (outside Africa). Even with AC unit inside the bungalow l'm boiling. High humidity since first day. I probably empty that big Water box every 2 Hours. So this hot and humid weather makes the life harder.

 

My newer big heat/AC unit I got last fall is much easier. Better effects and pump all water outside the house. I only need to clean the airfilter every 2nd week. Nothing more. Main Service every 2nd or 3rd year. And it will last me 20 years from what I know. Expected save me 3/4 of my electricity bill. As well have good inside climate. Both cold when i need it or maximum heat under coldest periods.

 

Home,,, Average temps is 13C and loads of rain. Coldest days have been sub 8C. The worst summer weather in many years. Juny was terrible and the start of July is equal bad. But who knows what August will bring home. We have to see 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

37 minutes ago, Papusan said:

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/99179/intels-new-lga-1851-socket-uses-rl-ilm-loading-mechanism-improved-thermals-and-more/index.html

 

Pay more if you want the best for next generation. Why can't Intel make one simple single high quality proper ILM that can be used years forwards? One fifth all sockets and with the best contact. ILM for 1700 boards was awful. A lotteri. Some goth good contact while others had thermal problems. 

 

Btw. On my 1 month Canary summer vacation (outside Africa). Even with AC unit inside the bungalow l boiling. High humidity. I probably empty that Water box every 2 Hours. So this hot weather makes the life harder.

 

My newer heat/AC unit home I got last fall is much easier. Better effects and pump all water outside the house. I only need to clean the airfilter every 2nd week. Service every 2nd or 3rd year. And can last me 20 years from what I know. 

 

Home,,, Average temps is 13C and loads of rain. Coldest days have been sub 8C. The worst summer weather in many years. Juny was terrible and the start of July is equal bad. But who knows what August will bring home. We have to see 🙂

I hope the weather improves on your vacation. Sounds less miserable that last summer's heat without AC though.

 

I think the ILM lottery you refer to was more caused by a variety of third-party vendors producing them with poor quality control, which would not be the fault of Intel. It would be the fault of motherboard manufacturers cutting corners and paying less to get less for the sake of maximizing profits. Not to mention the fact that QC is in the toilet across the board for pretty much everything. Particularly true of products manufactured in China, the trash production capital of the world. The fact that some had problems and others did not pretty much negates the notion that the design itself is flawed and squarely places the blame on the shoulders of companies that produce sloppy crap.

 

I have never experienced the randomness personally because I never use the stock ILM. Everyrhing has bare die or Thermalright CPU frame. I prefer it even if QC was impeccable. Much cleaner design with the frame versus ILM. Also, much better mess control for thermal paste or liquid metal.

[Papusan]

47 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I hope the weather improves on your vacation. Sounds less miserable that last summer's heat without AC though.

 

I think the ILM lottery you refer to was more caused by a variety of third-party vendors producing them with poor quality control, which would not be the fault of Intel. It would be the fault of motherboard manufacturers cutting corners and paying less to get less for the sake of maximizing profits. Not to mention the fact that QC is in the toilet across the board. The fact that some had problems and others did not pretty much negates the notion that the design itself is flawed and squarely places the blame on the shoulders of companies that produce sloppy crap.

 

Yup, cost savings. But a idiot proof design could reduce this problem to minimum. Sloppy engineering and cutting cost is todays tech in a nutshell. They will all cut costs if they can. 

 

Edit. The thin boards as Z690 with minimal pcb layers didn't help either. Remember the massive bending boards. They looked as bananas. Cost cutting at worst. And all boards that cost an arm and a leg should have backplate to reduce such problems. No backplate and 6-8 layers boards and a ILM that should not pass QC is a disaster none should have sent out from the factories. And I have mounted the Thermaright for the Asus Z690 board I gave to my oldest son. Used 2 days to make it work as expected. Too much pressure and you got problems. Same also if you losened the pressure. And random. Sometimes you needed do it opposite to make it work after repaste. And with wrong pressure on the WB (yup I followed the guide for perfect torque). Random when it works. Never this problem with the Encore. And never such problems with the cheapo Z690 Gigabyte Auros board for the youngest son. 

 

Even with AC l have it hard. I also need to be out and thats without AC, HaHa. Never used to this temps. Im an viking you know. Cold weather is what Im used to, LOOL

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Im an viking you know.

As you know, I am married to a Viking. One of the most valuable things I have learned from my Viking bride is this...

[electrosoft]

Finally wrestled away my wife's desktop for the evening so I could test the SP109 14900KS on the Strix Z690 D4 running the newest BIOS.  When I bought the 14900KS, all I knew was it was the price was great, it had ~1.488 at 6200mhz and SP109 so I was finger crossing the 5600 vids for SFF work and hoping for a sub 1.38 on the 5900.

 

It is about as perfect an SFF chip as I could ask especially the 5600mhz point which was my biggest concern. Even the 5900 point is decent.

 

Bonus award? The 4300mhz V/F point ties for the lowest I've ever seen (0.969) which bodes well for future use in the NH55 laptop if we can ever enable 14th gen support. This chip will really be made for it. I think this ties @tps3443 old R-batch for the 4300 vid point.

 

Some quick testing and it was able to pass TM5 at 4233 DDR4 which is the highest of all the 12th and 13900KS SP115  I tested all using 2x16GB B-die sticks. Not that it will ever spend any time in DDR4 land, but nice to see it beat out all my other tested chips on the same baseline test.

 

Overall very happy with the purchase!

 

 

Of course that initial run reality settles in as this was run on an EVGA CLC 280mm w/ KPx and just like my 13900KS SP115 on its initial run on the same hardware, it blasted off into the sun and throttled hard before tuning it and getting the 13900ks to spit out ~42k on the 240mm EK Nucleus.

 

My problem has always been I get excited when hardware runs hot/bad because I always see a problem to fix/tune. 🤣

 

 

I feel comfortable enough now to go ahead and order an ITX board.

 

Asrock Lightning Z790i apparently has been hitting 8200+ on the regular so that one is in the running now too. I'm thinking of giving it a whirl. It also uses a 14+1+1 VRM design versus the 10+1 design of the MSI and Asus Z790i ITX boards.  Asrock claims it can do 8600+ OC on single rank.....sure....ok.

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

Disgusting! What a failure of thinking. Idiotic tech editor. We all know what happened with DTR laptops. And with ordinary (gaming) jokebooks. From 2013 it got worse for every year. APPLE and now ARM pushing next gen tech. I can add in the 3rd big A.... AMD🤢 Oh my gosh how disgusting this will be. ARM said they would grabb 50% of the cpu market within 2029🤢

 

But, while the news is shocking on its face, it’s not as bad as it sounds. This RAM change will actually help the average PC buyer, and it won’t be a long-term threat to people who want upgradeable RAM. Here’s why.

 

Lots of laptops already have soldered RAM, anyway

 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2373541/intels-lunar-lake-laptops-wont-let-you-upgrade-your-ram-heres-why-thats-fine.html

[Mr. Fox]

28 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Disgusting! What a failure.

 

But, while the news is shocking on its face, it’s not as bad as it sounds. This RAM change will actually help the average PC buyer, and it won’t be a long-term threat to people who want upgradeable RAM. Here’s why.

 

Lots of laptops already have soldered RAM, anyway

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2373541/intels-lunar-lake-laptops-wont-let-you-upgrade-your-ram-heres-why-thats-fine.html

Things will never get better as long as fake experts make lame excuses for trash that the zombie sheeple embrace. Mobile computing is perma-broken and will never get better. It needs a wooden stake driven through its heart. Absolutely hopeless lost cause And yeah... not enough axes...

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Nice example documenting exactly what I have always said... PC gamers don't need to be performance PC enthusiasts. All gamers need is something better than a console. Which isn't very hard.

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Things will never get better as long as fake experts make lame excuses for trash that the zombie sheeple embrace. Mobile computing is perma-broken and will never get better. It needs a wooden stake driven through its heart. Absolutely hopeless lost cause And yeah... not enough axes...

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Nice example documenting exactly what I have always said... PC gamers don't need to be performance PC enthusiasts. All gamers need is something better than a console. Which isn't very hard.

 

 

If the tech trend continue you'll see also desktop computing will follow same paths as mobile. Everything start one place. Mobile chips transformed into desktop chips doesnt bode well. Phone cores for high end desktops for power efficiency is perverse. Yup, you have still replaceable chips for your desktop build but they are still designed around mobile platforms. 

 

Hope Intel doesnt screw up for better power efficiency (HT increase power). If they do they will look stupid. Add the 4th big A.... Arrow lake. Everything with the A letter is Awful. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

If the tech trend continue you'll see also desktop computing will follow same paths as mobile. Everything start one place. Mobile chips transformed into desktop chips doesnt bode well. Phone cores for high end desktops for power efficiency is perverse. Yup, you have still replaceable chips for your desktop build but they are still designed around mobile platforms. 

 

Hope Intel doesnt screw up for better power efficiency (HT increase power). If they do they will look stupid. Add the 4th big A.... Arrow lake. Everything with the A letter is Awful. 

 

This is why I purchased extra LGA 1700 CPUs that I do not need. I have two sitting on a shelf because, at this point, I am not planning to embrace next generation tech. I absolutely DO NOT care about gaining any energy efficiency unless it gets put to use as extra headroom. I do not support using more E-cores or discarding hyper-threading to use less power. I really only care about performance. If you can produce more performance using less power that's OK as long as you don't leave anything on the table by avoiding using up the power saved. We should always do more with more, not more with less. If new tech can use less power that is only nice if the response is to increase the clock speeds and add more cores and consume the same amount of power as we did before. Consume all of the extra headroom created. Treat power efficient gains in the same as you would lower temps. That is an opportunity to crank it up and use it all, push if further, not be happy about using less.

 

I think maybe I am going to be holding the line and might be purchasing obsolete hardware going forward. TIme will tell. I am not expecting to be impressed. I am expecting disappointment because priorities are getting all jacked up by stupid people with an agenda I do not agree with.

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is why I purchased extra LGA 1700 CPUs. I am not planning to embrace next generation tech. I absolutely DO NOT care about gaining any energy efficiency unless it gets put to use as extra headroom. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

do not support using more E-cores or discarding hyper-threading to use less power. I really only care about performance. If you can produce more performance using less power that's OK as long as you don't leave anything on the table by avoiding using up the power saved. We should always do more with more, not more with less. If new tech can use less power that is only nice if the response is to increase the clock speeds and add more cores and consume the same amount of power as we did before. Consume all of the extra headroom created. Treat power efficient gains in the same as you would lower temps. That is an opportunity to crank it up and use it all, push if further, not be happy about using less.

 

I think maybe I am going to be holding the line and might be purchasing obsolete hardware going forward. TIme will tell. I am not expecting to be impressed. I am expecting disappointment because priorities are getting all jacked up by stupid people with an agenda I do not agree with.

 

See the joke when AMD going with lower TDP for better power efficiency for new gen vs previous gen Ryzen 7 x700X. A measly 7.6% performance uplifth in MT. All is about offer best single core performance nowadays. Exactly as APPLE'S baby cpu's for thin jokebooks. All about how to reduce power consumption. Just castrate it.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-9700x-and-ryzen-5-9600x-geekbench-tests-have-been-leaked

[tps3443]

13 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Finally wrestled away my wife's desktop for the evening so I could test the SP109 14900KS on the Strix Z690 D4 running the newest BIOS.  When I bought the 14900KS, all I knew was it was the price was great, it had ~1.488 at 6200mhz and SP109 so I was finger crossing the 5600 vids for SFF work and hoping for a sub 1.38 on the 5900.

 

It is about as perfect an SFF chip as I could ask especially the 5600mhz point which was my biggest concern. Even the 5900 point is decent.

 

Bonus award? The 4300mhz V/F point ties for the lowest I've ever seen (0.969) which bodes well for future use in the NH55 laptop if we can ever enable 14th gen support. This chip will really be made for it. I think this ties @tps3443 old R-batch for the 4300 vid point.

 

Some quick testing and it was able to pass TM5 at 4233 DDR4 which is the highest of all the 12th and 13900KS SP115  I tested all using 2x16GB B-die sticks. Not that it will ever spend any time in DDR4 land, but nice to see it beat out all my other tested chips on the same baseline test.

 

Overall very happy with the purchase!

 

 

Of course that initial run reality settles in as this was run on an EVGA CLC 280mm w/ KPx and just like my 13900KS SP115 on its initial run on the same hardware, it blasted off into the sun and throttled hard before tuning it and getting the 13900ks to spit out ~42k on the 240mm EK Nucleus.

 

My problem has always been I get excited when hardware runs hot/bad because I always see a problem to fix/tune. 🤣

 

 

I feel comfortable enough now to go ahead and order an ITX board.

 

Asrock Lightning Z790i apparently has been hitting 8200+ on the regular so that one is in the running now too. I'm thinking of giving it a whirl. It also uses a 14+1+1 VRM design versus the 10+1 design of the MSI and Asus Z790i ITX boards.  Asrock claims it can do 8600+ OC on single rank.....sure....ok.

 

 

 

 

That’s a nice CPU so far.  I would also be after that new Asrock ITX Z790 motherboard for sure, and not even consider anything else. I think with the right CPU DDR5 8400c38 can be done on one of those. It’s really just about the CPU’s ability. Honestly, I have heard of people hitting 8600+ with those little dinky Asrock ITX boards with water cooled ram and gold IMC. 

[ryan]

Read that depressing article, as if it wasnt bad enough. Iv'e had my laptop for 2.5 years now and really dont see the need to upgrade! will I have to wait 10 years to see 64gb ram again. why is everything de-evolving?

 

next will be bicycles. they no longer need tires, or handle bars.

 

breaking news!!! tens of thousands of americans are getting hurt now that they no longer have tires or handle bars making travel more cumbersome

 

will say 15k laptop cpus have soldiered ram or just thin and light. if thats the case I dont care, not like it matters for thing and light. if 15k and 5090 is as good as the rumors suggest I might just get my last laptop for a very very long time. currently have 5 laptops and only use one. maybe I can give one a away as they are not selling

 

[electrosoft]

SP109 14900KS is already back in its clam shell (wife will expect her PC ready to go when she gets home from work today for WoW 🤣), but one last follow up is I tested for the SA bug and it doesn't have it. I did 1.35v and ran TM5 and WMD no problem.

 

I also was able to pass my standard quick stock TM5 at 4300 G1 before it gave up the ghost which was nice to see for a few reasons especially the Strix Z690 D4 I bought at launch for my rig then gave to the wife is really providing long term value. This is how I always start all my memory testing with a quick 5 min TM5 before moving onto heavier stuff. I switched to G2 to see if it was the CPU or MB and as figured it was the MB giving up the ghost. It tops out at 4300 just like it topped out at 4300 with the 12900k in G2 mode so there were no surprises there. I would love to have access to a binned MB that can do 4400 G1 just for curiosity sake, but it's neither here nor there as DDR4 is in my rear view mirror. My last set of DDR4 sticks went into the 12400 build w/ 3060ti sitting in the other room atm.

 

As if perfect timing on the swan song that is DDR4, HUB dropping an updated DDR4 vs DDR5. I am sure he didn't tune anything and just ran XMP on both which is fair.

 

Methinks if that was tuned 8000 the gap would be narrower between the 7800X3D and 14900K.

 

12th gen really likes DDR5!

 

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

That’s a nice CPU so far.  I would also be after that new Asrock ITX Z790 motherboard for sure, and not even consider anything else. I think with the right CPU DDR5 8400c38 can be done on one of those. It’s really just about the CPU’s ability. Honestly, I have heard of people hitting 8600+ with those little dinky Asrock ITX boards with water cooled ram and gold IMC. 

 

Total price to my door $631.94. Ya can't beat that for a good bin!

 

Yeah, the more research I've done it really looks like a banger and it just went on sale for $249.99 at Newegg. I'll pick it up via eBay (same price) where I get 5% back on top of it. When I tested the Strix z790i and MSI z790i Edge, the Edge was the superior board easily and I sent the Strix back so it would be either pick up another Edge which was a great board or try the Strix again to give it another chance to shine. I'll be curious to see how the Lightning works out. Better PCB, better VRMs and for some reason lately Asrock is hitting it out the park on their 1DPC boards on both sides.

 

I would normally hunt down an open box on Amazon, but I'm not sure what soured between Amazon and Asrock. They really do not sell a lot of their items via them nor do they honor any bonus games or items if bought from Amazon even directly as I found out with a 7900xtx.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

Read that depressing article, as if it wasnt bad enough. Iv'e had my laptop for 2.5 years now and really dont see the need to upgrade! will I have to wait 10 years to see 64gb ram again. why is everything de-evolving?

De-evolving is how they succeed at sucking. When you make people stupid, it is easy to perpetuate lies and make them happy about being lied to. People that have a functioning brain and don't want to drink the Kool-Aid are nay-sayers. The tech space needs more nay-sayers and trouble-makers to stir up righteous levels of hate and discontent. The Goombah Gamers will believe what they are told. It reminds me a lot of this. Watch the clip... at least to 1:18. 

 

 

[tps3443]

The RTX4090 landed today. And I love it. Massive step down in quality compared to my Suprim-X. But I don’t mind. No fires or melted connectors so far, even getting close to 600 watt GPU power with an overclock in Nomad bench and some

games. I run this same little MSI Gen5 PCIe dinky PSU, with a single power cable for the GPU, and it’s performing like a champ! Even powering (5) D5’s, Z790 Apex, 14900KS, and a 4090! That tiny little 1KW PSU gets it done without making a sound. (Quick peek behind the desk reveals the tank and chiller) 😄

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

12 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

The RTX4090 landed today. And I love it. Massive step down in quality compared to my Suprim-X. But I don’t mind. No fires or melted connectors so far, even getting close to 600 watt GPU power with an overclock in Nomad bench and some

games. I run this same little MSI Gen5 PCIe dinky PSU, with a single power cable for the GPU, and it’s performing like a champ! Even powering (5) D5’s, Z790 Apex, 14900KS, and a 4090! That tiny little 1KW PSU gets it done without making a sound. (Quick peek behind the desk reveals the tank and chiller) 😄

 

 

 

 

 

Congrats bro and at a killer price no less!

 

I'm sure the Suprim X 4080 Super will sell relatively quick at that price.