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[electrosoft]

14600k wins but I mean I guess the argument could be platform longevity as Socket 1700 is almost at an end (sans Bartlett) so 9600x is more future proof?

 

Maybe?

 

So far, 9000 series is more about refinements than anything....9950X3D/9800X3D needs to bring some zip to this Miracle Whip especially with Intel looming large with 15th gen.

 

 

 

Asrock's Z790i lightning BIOS update for 0x129 has dropped, so I'll be giving that a whirl later.

 

@Raiderman, I installed MSI's newest BIOS for the x670e Carbon and boot times are definitely faster (or at least returned to boot times 2x BIOS drops ago 🙂 ). Everything else looks and feels about the same and all old timing profiles work just as well.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

14600k wins but I mean I guess the argument could be platform longevity as Socket 1700 is almost at an end (sans Bartlett) so 9600x is more future proof?

Sometimes being future proof has the undesirable implication of holding onto status quo and a normalization of "meh" products. That is looking like what AMD is serving for dinner now. Socket longevity can be good or bad, depending on what happens (or doesn't happen). Sometimes moving onward and upward is better, but we see plenty of examples that newer is frequently not better. This just means that taking a "wait-and-see" approach is always the smartest way. Much smarter than listening to marketing propaganda (lies).

[tps3443]

I am going to cook mine down for sure then! (Kidding I set a 1.550V limit) and it’s not too low for 6.5Ghz boost “Close though” while at work it’s pretty FAST! The top end on these chips is CRAZY.

[Mr. Fox]

15 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I am going to cook mine down for sure then! (Kidding I set a 1.550V limit) and it’s not too low for 6.5Ghz boost “Close though” while at work it’s pretty FAST! The top end on these chips is CRAZY.

Just a suggestion, but I would recommend moving away from the opportunistic boosting of the preferred cores and lock them all down to what is stable and adequate voltage for the "not-preferred" cores and then the better cores will be cruising on easy street. I think the preferred core boosting is part of what created the mess they are sorting out.

[tps3443]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Just a suggestion, but I would recommend moving away from the opportunistic boosting of the preferred cores and lock them all down to what is stable and adequate voltage for the "not-preferred" cores and then the better cores will be cruising on easy street. I think the preferred core boosting is part of what created the mess they are sorting out.

I’ve always ran all of my chips like this since 13900K. I am nearly 600 hours on this current chip right now. 😃 I have power limits in place, amperage limits in place, temp limits in place. And full load voltage never exceeds 1.208V. Never had any degrade on me. 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I’ve always ran all of my chips like this since 13900K. I am nearly 600 hours on this current chip right now. 😃 I have power limits in place, amperage limits in place, temp limits in place. And full load voltage never exceeds 1.208V. Never had any degrade on me. 

 

Simple enough to test.

 

Scale by per core in CB23 and measure Vcore under load to get a spread spectrum of required voltages from 1 to 8 P-cores while verifying there is no clock stretching or downclocking. That will give you an idea but the good thing is your cooling really helps cut down on load requests especially in a varied chilled state so I don't expect anything too high.

 

I see no downside to running 0x129 especially in your setup as it will help any errant transients pop out even with Asus controls in place.

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Simple enough to test.

 

Scale by per core in CB23 and measure Vcore under load to get a spread spectrum of required voltages from 1 to 8 P-cores while verifying there is no clock stretching or downclocking. That will give you an idea but the good thing is your cooling really helps cut down on load requests especially in a varied chilled state so I don't expect anything too high.

 

I see no downside to running 0x129 especially in your setup as it will help any errant transients pop out even with Asus controls in place.

 

 

Yeah, I’m not too worried about it, my 13900KS and 14900KF were both outstanding, and stood up to the test on this Apex with no loss in ability. So I won’t fix what ain’t broken. Very happy with how it is right now. 😃

 

I did have one CPU that dropped off on me though. And that was my 13900K (SP110 Global P121/E88) It was crazy strong when I first installed it on my MSI Z690 Unify-X. After just a couple hours achieving a stable profile, it had lost a significant edge in ability in what it could do (This was using fixed vcore and fixed frequencies “No single core boost”) Me & The Z690 Unify-X “Went to its ass” I don’t know what happen for sure, but I remember the day well, But that’s the only chip that’s ever degraded on me, and that was on an MSI Z690 board. It was fine for several hours, then out of no where I get the “Out of GPU memory” errors. Increasing the vcore fixed it. The chip was still amazing afterwards. But it lost like 0.020mv-0.030mv+ just like that. I was going heavy on it, 1.330+ load volts I was testing for 5.8Ghz and 5.9Ghz all core, and pushing 6.0Ghz all core with 1.340-1.350v load (No delid). Heavier amperage 280-300+ range. And that was what it took (I was running Battlefield at these speeds and voltages). I was using LLC6 and LLC7 mostly as well. Well for MSI I think it was LLC2 and LLC3. 
 

I knew what I did though 💀 and this was like the 6th chip at this point that I had tested on this MSI board. But I was really digging in to that P-SP121.

 

Anyways, when the KS came out I wanted one, and I stayed away from too high of amperage, and too high voltages since. Never had any issues. I’ll hammer SVID’s to the roof so long as the amps are low. But keep the vcore low when the amps are high. And this has worked. 

[ryan]

 

 

interesting, looks like the integrated solution might be the best buy for once. 0.4in thick 4070...they are really pushing thin and light these days.

[tps3443]

Okay, I loaded the new microcode 129 and 2503 Apex bios on my other bios switch. If this bios sucks, I’ll just swap back over and drag the new microcode with me to my 9901 bios. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, ryan said:

interesting, looks like the integrated solution might be the best buy for once. 0.4in thick 4070...they are really pushing thin and light these days.

That seems a bit far-fetched since it uses shared system memory and that would be much slower than the 4070 VRAM. I guess we shall see if/when it happens.

[ryan]

yeah after seeing a dozen or so speculations...its crazy things are being nerfed and de evolving. apus replacing gpus???is this a joke bro! like as if looking for elder berries to make a spell binding tea that releases a kraken in witcher 3 was dumb enough now this.

[electrosoft]

Installed BIOS update 6.02 on the Asrock Z790i + SP109 14900KS. Initial notes and observations:

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Now default load optimized settings no longer blows up to 350w+ and overheats but stays at 71c tops for CB23 run while scoring /clocking the same multi (~37k)

 

Unfortunately the settings used are still not optimal as it is pulling 1.184v under load yet still throttling down to ~4.8ghz all core versus my settings pulling 1.152v under load and staying rock solid at 56x all core and running just as cool if not a touch cooler.

 

Auto single core only turbos to 5.9 versus my settings which hit 6.2 at basically the same pull. Exact same settings as 0x125 so I'll have to investigate to see whats going on / load up my saved auto profile as it may be power throttling somewhere with the default settings.

 

0x125 was blasted from the MC options and replaced directly with 0x129.

 

SA Bug is fixed on Asrock. Initial testing SA Auto 8200, SA was at 1.301 and running TM5 no problem. Before, it was instant "SA Crash" on auto and anything >=1.20v + >=7800mhz .....w00t.

 

I have all my old profiles saved on a USB stick so I'll start restoring them next and see how they perform.

 

After re-validating all my dialed in profiles (Fixed_Voltage(56x-59x, 45x, Auto Ring, 8200)), I plan on testing the memory a bit now that I am not capped by 1.18v SA.

[Mr. Fox]

3 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

SA Bug is fixed on Asrock. Initial testing SA Auto 8200, SA was at 1.301 and running TM5 no problem. Before, it was instant "SA Crash" on auto and anything >=1.20v + >=7800mhz .....w00t.

That's great news. 

[Clamibot]

3 hours ago, ryan said:

 

 

interesting, looks like the integrated solution might be the best buy for once. 0.4in thick 4070...they are really pushing thin and light these days.

 

I'd love to see that Strix Halo APU in a handheld! That would be super awesome! Hopefully we can unlock the power limit and push it further than 120 watts for MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE! MWAHAHAHA!

 

I like all my stuff big, including handheld gaming devices. I don't understand why people want such tiny screens in their devices, and I say this as someone who has hawk vision. Small screens aren't very immersive.

 

I'm taking a balanced approach to new deivces that are coming out and not immediately writing all of them off. I like desktops, laptops and handhelds. They each serve their purpose and I make sure to have every tool possible to be prepared for all situations since there isn't a single system that can do it all. I do need to be able to have fun with them though as I hate anything that's locked down. I was able to overclock my Lenovo Legion Go and games perform great on it!

 

You know what would be awesome? A handheld with 2 m.2 slots. Equip one with an Optane P1600X as your boot drive and the other with your storage drive. Bam! Super fast hibernation and wake from hibernation that'll feel like the suspend function on a PS5.

[electrosoft]

Dialed back in auto enforced limits and it is not only running the same as before, but ~5-6c cooler and hitting 6.2ghz again at 8200 SA Auto which is 1.31:

 

0x125:

 

 

0x129:

 

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, ryan said:

 

 

interesting, looks like the integrated solution might be the best buy for once. 0.4in thick 4070...they are really pushing thin and light these days.

 

I see you have popped into one of YouTubes biggest AMD fanboy'z channel... This YouTuber is useless to see or find proper content/info from. Save your valuable time brother for something else🙂 Life is too short to follow trash.

 

https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx34QYLNylqyaYJdZFEaellfpKpJJ6ZWLt

 

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That seems a bit far-fetched since it uses shared system memory and that would be much slower than the 4070 VRAM. I guess we shall see if/when it happens.

 

See my reply above. See also......

 

[ryan]

I just came across it, I dont follow him bro...random video I saw..your far more knowledgeable than I am in this....what have your heard? it doesnt even seem like news as amd is always releasing something better/newer....do you think they will be able to match say a 4060 with their apu this year or is it a far off dream

[tps3443]

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Dialed back in auto enforced limits and it is not only running the same as before, but ~5-6c cooler and hitting 6.2ghz again at 8200 SA Auto which is 1.31:

 

0x125:

 

 

0x129:

 

Looks great. I’m playing around with latest bios and microcode right now. I never did try 0125. Just went to 0129 late last night. 

[Papusan]

33 minutes ago, ryan said:

I just came across it, I dont follow him bro...random video I saw..your far more knowledgeable than I am in this....what have your heard? it doesnt even seem like news as amd is always releasing something better/newer....do you think they will be able to match say a 4060 with their apu this year or is it a far off dream

 

Maybe it will reach low powered 4060 mobile junk in Jokebooks, but who should trust AMD's numbers? Just look at the video I posted about AMD and their fake bench numbers above. So don't hold your breath. 

 

Or this one below. This is AMD nowadays! Either frauders or they don't know what they are doing. Could be both.

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

I see you have popped into one of YouTubes biggest AMD fanboy'z channel... This YouTuber is useless to see or find proper content/info from.

LOL... totally agree. One of the most worthless PC tech YouTube channels. Not only because of his irrational fanboyish tendencies, but seems to promote some of the more outlandish rumors (like that one about the APU) and also leans toward exaggeration and pole vaulting over mouse turds. Other than what seems like an anti-NVIDIA and anti-Intel agenda, he seems like he might be a nice person otherwise. For the record, I tend to not value any of the YouTube channels that promote speculation and rumors, even when there is no brand bias or agenda. Graphically Challenged is another one that falls into that bucket, although not nearly as jaded as Gamer Meld. Seems like a nice guy, but spare me all of the what-if, maybe and some people are saying garbage. Don't care. Show me the real hardware and the real numbers, or hush up and go do something else.

[electrosoft]

34 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Looks great. I’m playing around with latest bios and microcode right now. I never did try 0125. Just went to 0129 late last night. 

 

Looking forward to your findings. The Lightning is actually a fairly new board released this year, so it had launch BIOS and then when I picked it up the newest BIOS was 0x125. I'm pretty pleased even at Intel's enforced limits. I tested with WoW and FO76 and it sits at 5.9 rock solid everywhere with better temps than fixed (as expected). I might push to 320w extreme limits for testing but as is 253w/400a works more than well enough for D2D especially gaming. I could adjust down to 59x all core (via per core to keep ring boosting in place). I'll check with Starfield and Fortnite later.

 

I'm running this just like I ran my 12900k cool hand luke (which is in my NH55 now). It was the only 12900k I had that could handle lowest LLC / AC/DC settings without crashing on an AIO. When running like that,  binning and then cooling (in that order) makes a huge difference. You are really testing your chips auto bottom/bottom voltage range.

 

I'm always reminded that binning does matter. I tried to adjust my bud's SP101 14900ks using the same settings on his Hero as my Z690 Strix and Z790i Lightning and it was crash city. I ended up going with LLC3 / .70 / 320w and 56x all core to stop it from overheating on his Corsair 360mm AIO (I also repasted w/ KPx). He had also picked up a pair of G.Skill 8200 sticks and tried running them at 8200 which did boot and seem to work to him but a quick run of TM5 and they were erroring out left and right so after some adjustments and testing, he's locked in at 7600 solid.

 

With the SA Bug now resolved, this is a perfect chip for my needs. I mean absolutely perfect. Next up is Intel APO testing in WoW, deeper memory testing and 320w limits testing.

 

 

 

[tps3443]

Man this walmart paste is the WORST!!! 12-13c hotter package temp while incorporating a 0.5-0.6c warmer water temp as well. (chiller was just about to cycle when I started recording on the Walmart paste) but it’s like half of a degree, both water temps are 15c. This stuff absolutely sucks!!! 💀

 

PS: The Kryonaut paste was “Re-scraped and re-used as well. “I ran out of fresh” so it’s ABC paste, or “Already been chewed”

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Man this walmart paste is the WORST!!! 12-13c hotter package temp while incorporating a 0.5-0.6c warmer water temp as well. (chiller was just about to cycle when I started recording on the Walmart paste) but it’s like half of a degree, both water temps are 15c. This stuff absolutely sucks!!! 💀

 

PS: The Kryonaut paste was “Re-scraped and re-used as well. “I ran out of fresh” so it’s ABC paste, or “Already been chewed”

 

 

Thanks. Now I know not to test Corsair TM30. Did you remove the old Kryonaut Extreme and save it "just in case" the Corsair crap was no good?

 

Still using that waterblock I gave you? It's a great block, isn't it? It worked extremely well for me.

[tps3443]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks. Now I know not to test Corsair TM30. Did you remove the old Kryonaut Extreme and save it "just in case" the Corsair crap was no good?

 

Still using that waterblock I gave you? It's a great block, isn't it? It worked extremely well for me.

Yes I scraped all of the Kryonaut that has been pressed out from prior contact and kept it on the scraper just in case, if it performs good I’ll just throw it away. But since it didn’t, I respread it all back on the cpu after I cleaned it. I am still using the same waterblock. It works very well. I don’t believe anything available will out perform it besides my Supercool Gen13 DD. But I can’t exactly use that one. 

[electrosoft]

36 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Man this walmart paste is the WORST!!! 12-13c hotter package temp while incorporating a 0.5-0.6c warmer water temp as well. (chiller was just about to cycle when I started recording on the Walmart paste) but it’s like half of a degree, both water temps are 15c. This stuff absolutely sucks!!! 💀

 

PS: The Kryonaut paste was “Re-scraped and re-used as well. “I ran out of fresh” so it’s ABC paste, or “Already been chewed”

 

 

 

 

 

 

How does Kryonaut Extreme stack up against KPx?