*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

15 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

How does Kryonaut Extreme stack up against KPx?

Funny you should ask. I wondered the same. I have been wanting to test it for a long time, but haven't really made it a priority because I haven't identified a legitimate need to. Coincidentally, I have some arriving tomorrow to find out. I will share before/after temps on the Xeon in the Rampage IV Gene. It already runs cool with KPx. I have a huge tube of it. It will take forever to use it all. It had better be as good or better because only 4 grams of the Kryonaut Extreme is priced about the same as my 30 gram tube of KPx. Even if it is better, I think it is grossly overpriced. Maybe because it has Extreme in the name that makes it OK to carry that over to the price. The main reason I ordered it was to try it out on the 2080 Ti Xtreme when I install the air cooler.

[Papusan]

17 hours ago, electrosoft said:

SA Bug is fixed on Asrock. Initial testing SA Auto 8200, SA was at 1.301 and running TM5 no problem. Before, it was instant "SA Crash" on auto and anything >=1.20v + >=7800mhz .....w00t.

 

Regarding to Safedisk. Not fully solved. He get crashes if the push too hard. Maybe it's his mem settings but he say so.

 

Fun video. There is no need for the 0x129 MC. Or new beta bios. Just use your favorite bios and tune in settings. Aka the old good way do it.

 

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

How does Kryonaut Extreme stack up against KPx?

 

 

 

Igorslab have tested. Both Kryonaut and KPx will pump out. The old Thermalright TF8 or the Corsair XTM70 is the way to go if you want longevity. Corsair is expensive. But use double amount paste for same lifespan means double the price🙂 

 

We have both Thermalright TF8 and Corsair paste in the shop here home. Almost same prices vs Kryonaut Extreme. KPx isn't an option as this paste isn't sold here hom. I still have enough of Kryonaut Extreme (bougth the +30g barrel a few months ago) but I may try Corsair's XTM70 paste next time if the price point is ok'ish or is close to Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme. 

 

https://www.igorslab.de/category/kuehlung/waermeleitpaste-und-pads/

 

The KINGPIN Cooling is certainly a good paste for LN2 overclockers, but I wouldn't use it in a normal PC for long periods of time, at least not for a longer period of time of more than 6 to 9 months. This applies to all such specialized pastes, by the way, because if you optimize the properties of the matrix and the fillers for the low temperature range, then something is naturally lacking in other areas.

 

Same with Grizzly Kryonaut (Extreme). Hence LN2 clockers prefer them. Easy to apply and easy to clean up in a hurry. And they works very well with the sub zero cold. + it helps that many of the top LN2 clockers (elite and the choosen ones) are sponsored by Grizzly and Kingpin. The rest of us pay premium for not much more over the other better thermal paste. 

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Regarding to Safedisk. Not fully solved. He get crashes if the push too hard. Maybe it's his mem settings but he say so.

 

Fun video. There is no need for the 0x129 MC. Or new beta bios. Just use your favorite bios and tune in settings. Aka the old good way do it.

 

 

As you said, he's pushing too hard and his problem lies elsewhere. At a certain point, SA/IMC/Memory/MB will give up the ghost. Every piece of a subsystem has its limits fixes or not. Every chip has its limits SA Bug or not. Once you are >=8000, you are fully out of Intel's sanctioned IMC zone and then some anyhow.

 

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As for Jufus, there is definitely a need for 0x129. Without it, my SA caps at 1.18 or it's crash city everywhere. On a whim, I set my memory to 8600 and booted with SA Auto hitting 1.35 no problem. In every other scenario WITHOUT 0x129, anything greater than 1.18 on SA and memory >=7800 is insta hard lock up SA style requiring a power cycle.

 

0x129 puts in place 1.55 limit to stop any overshoots or excessive voltage if you fail to cap/tune it yourself or on the off chance a request/transient gets loose and unless explicitly told not to, the buck stops there regardless of everything else as a safety measure. No more; no less. If you were capping your vcore/clocks already, there is usually no problem but 0x129 is that extra layer of protection and it really is no harm in using it.

 

And let's not forget HWInfo and other software routinely misses >1.55v transient spikes (or flat out misreports like OCCT and amps) due to polling speeds as BZ showed repeatedly in his video pre-0x129 that 0x129 is designed to stop at the base level (or you can in theory by using fixed Vcore and/or vrout max capping).

 

I prefer to use both 0x129 and tune the bios for a win:win.

 

Jufus is also stuck in the mentality that 1.40v will kill your CPU which it will not.  He is stuck on 1.35v or lower or you're going to degrade your CPU. If that were the case, Intel would have set the cap much lower....unless (tin foil hat on) Intel knows they would have to toss out the bulk of their chips on shelf and RMA them out there all the way back to many 13900k chips with >=1.4v 6ghz/6.2ghz VIDs on top or chop off performance and the CPUs no longer perform as advertised and suffer a massive lawsuit/return landslide. (tin foil hat off)

 

But seriously, that last half of theorizing (and acting like he is the only one to think as such) what Intel is doing including forced idle states which I hate to tell him was talked about days ago on other forums which lends me to believe he is ghost reading. 🙂

 

I absolutely agree with him capping top end frequency or at least picking a sane voltage:performance ratio

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I grow tired of Jufus patting himself on the back and making it a, "me against them" mentality, acting like his discord is some magical unicorn laden virtual land where all technical matters are discussed and solved and nowhere else (you gotta pay of course) and somehow always pointing to himself as some messiah/savant when it comes to basics while always shilling his bundles and services.....but I do still watch and enjoy his videos. 🙂

 

 

[Clamibot]

Who likes my new laptop?

[Papusan]

Never cheap out on the PSU😁 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

Who likes my new laptop?

Where’s the chiller and the tank at? We can make it a little thicker. 🤣

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

As you said, he's pushing too hard and his problem lies elsewhere. At a certain point, SA/IMC/Memory/MB will give up the ghost. Every piece of a subsystem has its limits fixes or not. Every chip has its limits SA Bug or not. Once you are >=8000, you are fully out of Intel's sanctioned IMC zone and then some anyhow.

 

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As for Jufus, there is definitely a need for 0x129. Without it, my SA caps at 1.18 or it's crash city everywhere. On a whim, I set my memory to 8600 and booted with SA Auto hitting 1.35 no problem. In every other scenario WITHOUT 0x129, anything greater than 1.18 on SA and memory >=7800 is insta hard lock up SA style requiring a power cycle.

 

0x129 puts in place 1.55 limit to stop any overshoots or excessive voltage if you fail to cap/tune it yourself or on the off chance a request/transient gets loose and unless explicitly told not to, the buck stops there regardless of everything else as a safety measure. No more; no less. If you were capping your vcore/clocks already, there is usually no problem but 0x129 is that extra layer of protection and it really is no harm in using it.

 

And let's not forget HWInfo and other software routinely misses >1.55v transient spikes (or flat out misreports like OCCT and amps) due to polling speeds as BZ showed repeatedly in his video pre-0x129 that 0x129 is designed to stop at the base level (or you can in theory by using fixed Vcore and/or vrout max capping).

 

I prefer to use both 0x129 and tune the bios for a win:win.

 

Jufus is also stuck in the mentality that 1.40v will kill your CPU which it will not.  He is stuck on 1.35v or lower or you're going to degrade your CPU. If that were the case, Intel would have set the cap much lower....unless (tin foil hat on) Intel knows they would have to toss out the bulk of their chips on shelf and RMA them out there all the way back to many 13900k chips with >=1.4v 6ghz/6.2ghz VIDs on top or chop off performance and the CPUs no longer perform as advertised and suffer a massive lawsuit/return landslide. (tin foil hat off)

 

But seriously, that last half of theorizing (and acting like he is the only one to think as such) what Intel is doing including forced idle states which I hate to tell him was talked about days ago on other forums which lends me to believe he is ghost reading. 🙂

 

I absolutely agree with him capping top end frequency or at least picking a sane voltage:performance ratio

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I grow tired of Jufus patting himself on the back and making it a, "me against them" mentality, acting like his discord is some magical unicorn laden virtual land where all technical matters are discussed and solved and nowhere else (you gotta pay of course) and somehow always pointing to himself as some messiah/savant when it comes to basics while always shilling his bundles and services.....but I do still watch and enjoy his videos. 🙂

 

 

That dude annoys me so bad. And he really does act like that lol. 

[Mr. Fox]

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

With the SA Bug now resolved, this is a perfect chip for my needs. I mean absolutely perfect. Next up is Intel APO testing in WoW, deeper memory testing and 320w limits testing.

Well, I forced myself into moving the excellent bin 14900KF with the SA bug into the Encore for testing. I am happy to report it is fixed for me as well. I set 1.300V on VCCSA in the BIOS and it runs perfectly fine now. I am going to leave it in the Apex Encore because it is just a little bit better than the 13900KS SP117 monster. That is running beautifully in the Z790i Edge now. Leaving it alone.

Here are the SP ratings and VF curve on the CPU that used to have the SA bug.

Spoiler

And, the same for the 13900KS SP117 monster now in the SFF system (for comparison). Very similar VF curve and MC SP.

Spoiler

 

The 13900KS runs as flawlessly in the Z790i Edge as it did in the Encore.

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

That dude annoys me so bad. And he really does act like that lol. 

Yeah, I also find him extremely annoying. His arrogance and know-it-all potty mouth is over the top. Truly a legend in his own mind. It also annoys me that about 95% of the time I agree with him. He is right more often than not, but that gets lost in his caustic personality.

[electrosoft]

52 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, I forced myself into moving the excellent bin 14900KF with the SA bug into the Encore for testing. I am happy to report it is fixed for me as well. I set 1.300V on VCCSA in the BIOS and it runs perfectly fine now. I am going to leave it in the Apex Encore because it is just a little bit better than the 13900KS SP117 monster. That is running beautifully in the Z790i Edge now. Leaving it alone.

Here are the SP ratings and VF curve on the CPU that used to have the SA bug.

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And, the same for the 13900KS SP117 monster now in the SFF system (for comparison). Very similar VF curve and MC SP.

  Reveal hidden contents

 

The 13900KS runs as flawlessly in the Z790i Edge as it did in the Encore.

 

 

Most excellent! And just like that our "still good deals" SA Bugged chips are now great deals running as intended.

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

That dude annoys me so bad. And he really does act like that lol. 

 

Absolutely......

 

53 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, I also find him extremely annoying. His arrogance and know-it-all potty mouth is over the top. Truly a legend in his own mind. It also annoys me that about 95% of the time I agree with him. He is right more often than not, but that gets lost in his caustic personality.

 

Unfortunately you're correct. I find myself agreeing with him far more often than not......pure torture. 😞

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, I forced myself into moving the excellent bin 14900KF with the SA bug into the Encore for testing. I am happy to report it is fixed for me as well. I set 1.300V on VCCSA in the BIOS and it runs perfectly fine now. I am going to leave it in the Apex Encore because it is just a little bit better than the 13900KS SP117 monster. That is running beautifully in the Z790i Edge now. Leaving it alone.

Here are the SP ratings and VF curve on the CPU that used to have the SA bug.

  Reveal hidden contents

And, the same for the 13900KS SP117 monster now in the SFF system (for comparison). Very similar VF curve and MC SP.

  Reveal hidden contents

 

The 13900KS runs as flawlessly in the Z790i Edge as it did in the Encore.

Yeah, I also find him extremely annoying. His arrogance and know-it-all potty mouth is over the top. Truly a legend in his own mind. It also annoys me that about 95% of the time I agree with him. He is right more often than not, but that gets lost in his caustic personality.

Have you tried dropping IVR TX? This always had such a big impact for me on. Seems like there is a range that these chips seem to like much more compared to auto IVR TX. Using 1.270-1.320V. Lower is usually better, but too low might not post windows. And then I’d set “PLL termination” to 1.100V. You probably have to search for it in the bios, I always forget where the heck it’s at. But setting the 1.100V PLL Termination voltage would make my memory require much less VDD/VDDQ voltage. Now it seems like it’s a 50/50 if it will work or not. But when it does it is really cool. Like imagine needing 1.600V VDD, with the auto default 1.050V PLL Termination voltage. But setting 1.100V, and now you may only need 1.450V or something weird like that. My last R-Batch didn’t respond to PLL termination @1.100V. But my current chip does at higher frequencies.  I was able to drop 8800c38 from 1.560v to 1.520v. But, there’s more range I think, I just haven’t re-checked stability with a lower VDD. Anyways, these platforms are wild on DDR5 OC. All these chips acts so different in what they like. 

[Mr. Fox]

OK, I flashed 2503 to the Apex (white) and had a bit of a scare. After flashing I got Q-code "00" (almost always dead CPU). I cut power and waited, then turned it back on. No lights turned on. I pressed the power button and it came back with "00" immediately displayed again (first and only code, no other codes). I thought, crap... ASUS killed another one. So, I held the clear CMOS button down on the rear I/O, said a quick prayer "Please Lord Jesus, don't let it be dead" and then it booted normally. *WHEW* 

 

Running like a top...

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Have you tried dropping IVR TX? This always had such a big impact for me on. Seems like there is a range that these chips seem to like much more compared to auto IVR TX. Using 1.270-1.320V. Lower is usually better, but too low might not post windows. And then I’d set “PLL termination” to 1.100V. You probably have to search for it in the bios, I always forget where the heck it’s at. But setting the 1.100V PLL Termination voltage would make my memory require much less VDD/VDDQ voltage. Now it seems like it’s a 50/50 if it will work or not. But when it does it is really cool. Like imagine needing 1.600V VDD, with the auto default 1.050V PLL Termination voltage. But setting 1.100V, and now you may only need 1.450V or something weird like that. My last R-Batch didn’t respond to PLL termination @1.100V. But my current chip does at higher frequencies.  I was able to drop 8800c38 from 1.560v to 1.520v. But, there’s more range I think, I just haven’t re-checked stability with a lower VDD. Anyways, these platforms are wild on DDR5 OC. All these chips acts so different in what they like. 

My IVR TX is set on Auto and that is usually around 1.330V. I will mess with setting it a little lower manually to see what happens. I use similar settings as far as the other ones go.

Voltage Monitor [Die Sense]
VRM Initialization Check [Disabled]
CPU Input Voltage Load-line Calibration [Level 3]
CPU Load-line Calibration [Level 7]
Synch ACDC Loadline with VRM Loadline [Disabled]
CPU Current Capability [Auto]
CPU Current Reporting [Auto]
Core Voltage Suspension [Auto]
CPU VRM Switching Frequency [Auto]
VRM Spread Spectrum [Auto]
CPU Power Duty Control [Extreme]
CPU Power Phase Control [Extreme]
CPU Power Thermal Control [125]
CPU Core/Cache Boot Voltage [1.05000]
CPU Input Boot Voltage [Auto]
PLL Termination Boot Voltage [1.15000]
CPU Standby Boot Voltage [1.15000]

IA VR Voltage Limit [1500]

BCLK Amplitude [900mV]
BCLK Slew Rate [Fast]
BCLK Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
PCIE/DMI Amplitude [900mV]
PCIE/DMI Slew Rate [Fast]
PCIE/DMI Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
SA PLL Frequency Override [3200 MHz]
FLL OC mode [Ratio OC]
UnderVolt Protection [Disabled]
Core PLL Voltage [1.05000]
PLL Termination Voltage [1.15000]
CPU Standby Voltage [1.15000]

 

[electrosoft]

After a lot of testing, I'm thinking I might go with the best of both worlds and do an Intel enforced limits auto optimized fixed all core config for D2D. I've been playing WoW, FO76, Fortnite and Starfield on this at 59x all core and even 60x all core with great temps and performance. I went and did some shader compiles in Fortnite and Hogwarts and decompression tests.

 

So in the end, you end up with a variable all core but with auto settings and dialed in LL/VCComp/ACDC all running at 253w/400a.

 

What I like about this config is for most games it will sit at 59x and 60x no problem and game away with load requirements well under 200w (usually 95w-130w). If things get heavy and require more than 253w (which doesn't happen in game yet) it will just downclock to compensate. If I really need the extra clocks (not really in games), I can push to 320w extreme limit or if push comes to shove load up one of my fixed profiles from 56x -> 59x (along with the increased package pull, heat and load vcore).

 

After a lot of game play and futzin' around, while it's cool to see, I see zero reason to boost to 6.2. Like....none. It is fun to see pop up from time to time and flex in CB23/GB6 but in real D2D use? I'm not seeing it as just about every game I play is multithreaded now.

 

On the new 6.02 bios w/ 0x129, I now need 1.30v fixed / 1.184 under load for 56x all core now in CB23 vs 1.28v / 1.152v under load with SA now roaming free and wild..... same adjustment up for the other profiles too. (1.35 for 5.7, 1.40 for 5.8, 1.44 for 5.9)
 

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

OK, I flashed 2503 to the Apex (white) and had a bit of a scare. After flashing I got Q-code "00" (almost always dead CPU). I cut power and waited, then turned it back on. No lights turned on. I pressed the power button and it came back with "00" again. I thought, crap... ASUS killed another one. So, I held the clear CMOS button down on the rear I/O, said a quick prayer "Please Lord Jesus, don't let it be dead" and then it booted normally. *WHEW* 

 

Running like a top...

My IVR TX is set on Auto and that is usually around 1.330V. I will mess with setting it a little lower manually to see what happens. I use similar settings as far as the other ones go.

Voltage Monitor [Die Sense]
VRM Initialization Check [Disabled]
CPU Input Voltage Load-line Calibration [Level 3]
CPU Load-line Calibration [Level 7]
Synch ACDC Loadline with VRM Loadline [Disabled]
CPU Current Capability [Auto]
CPU Current Reporting [Auto]
Core Voltage Suspension [Auto]
CPU VRM Switching Frequency [Auto]
VRM Spread Spectrum [Auto]
CPU Power Duty Control [Extreme]
CPU Power Phase Control [Extreme]
CPU Power Thermal Control [125]
CPU Core/Cache Boot Voltage [1.05000]
CPU Input Boot Voltage [Auto]
PLL Termination Boot Voltage [1.15000]
CPU Standby Boot Voltage [1.15000]

IA VR Voltage Limit [1500]

BCLK Amplitude [900mV]
BCLK Slew Rate [Fast]
BCLK Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
PCIE/DMI Amplitude [900mV]
PCIE/DMI Slew Rate [Fast]
PCIE/DMI Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
SA PLL Frequency Override [3200 MHz]
FLL OC mode [Ratio OC]
UnderVolt Protection [Disabled]
Core PLL Voltage [1.05000]
PLL Termination Voltage [1.15000]
CPU Standby Voltage [1.15000]

 

 

Ugh, that feeling when you think a CPU has died and went to the great Silicon place in the sky.....nothing sinks your heart like 00 or a stuck 15 on MSI boards. Glad everything turned out ok. In those situations, depending on silicon quality, I almost always hope its the MB and not the CPU.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, electrosoft said:

In those situations, depending on silicon quality, I almost always hope its the MB and not the CPU.

Yes, I absolutely would have preferred that it be the motherboard over the CPU. All three of my desktops have extra-good CPUs that would be terribly difficult to replace, and cost as much as the motherboard. I still have two spare CPUs but their bin quality is inferior to the three I am using.

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, I absolutely would have preferred that it be the motherboard over the CPU. All three of my desktops have extra-good CPUs that would be terribly difficult to replace, and cost as much as the motherboard. I still have two spare CPUs but their bin quality is inferior to the three I am using.

There is always a fix😁 Maybe very needed if you have Asus boards. And Intel offered us a free replacement program due sloppy QC (almost as in the old days but "for free") if you overclock your Cpu to the edge😀

 

 

 

The Cu being stupid in CBR-15. Or better say Windows being stupid.

 

 

Maybe he buy wrong processors? 

 

 

Oh my gosh. The tech world need more experts as this one. Because you can trust them doing it right. 

 

 

New ‘instability patch’ shaves 9000 points off Cinebench multi-core score in 14900K tests pcguide.com  

 

The article above is taken from an link from Notebookcheck... 

Update | Intel 14th-gen stability BIOS update obliterates multicore performance with 23% loss in some benchmarks

 

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

OK, I flashed 2503 to the Apex (white) and had a bit of a scare. After flashing I got Q-code "00" (almost always dead CPU). I cut power and waited, then turned it back on. No lights turned on. I pressed the power button and it came back with "00" immediately displayed again (first and only code, no other codes). I thought, crap... ASUS killed another one.

[chew]

On 8/7/2024 at 11:25 PM, Mr. Fox said:

We have already seen your impressive tuning skills.  I haven't seen many AM5 owners that can do what you do with the memory tuning on that platform.  But, even with your incredible talent in play the results from the platform are generally not equal in terms of read, write, copy and latency at the same clock speed. That's the platform, not your well above-average abilities with it.

  

Nice to see most of them are standing behind what they sell. Many (maybe most) of the customers that buy their PCs would never own it long enough to reach the time limit. But, offering it may bring most of them back when they are ready for an upgrade.

 

 

Ambient to - 35 sub zero Ambient A = 6600 1/1  Adie 80001/2 A die 8400 1/2 M die subzero  is the rest above those points........ also threw an expo 6000 in there to show how bad performance is nerfed in reviews......

[tps3443]

You guys think I’d see similar or better performance if using a ptm7950 thermal paste/pad on my cpu? 
 

Currently using Kryonaut Extreme. But I’d like to switch to something better for long term. 

[tps3443]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

New ‘instability patch’ shaves 9000 points off Cinebench multi-core score in 14900K tests pcguide.com  

 

The article above is taken from an link from Notebookcheck... 

Update | Intel 14th-gen stability BIOS update obliterates multicore performance with 23% loss in some benchmarks

 

I updated to 2503 Apex bios and the new 0x129 microcode, I did not get to mess with it that much. I did some basic testing on it. But I switched back to my other bios position on the Apex. And once you switch back to the other bios switch, it goes right back to the old microcode 0x123 lol. I thought it would keep and carry over the new microcode. But it keeps it where my bios position #1 9901 is 0x123, and bios position #2 is 2503 and 0x129. 
 

And I am going to keep it this way. I use one side for new updated microcode and testing new bios. And I have my other position for tried and true older bios older microcode. 😃

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

You guys think I’d see similar or better performance if using a ptm7950 thermal paste/pad on my cpu? 
 

Currently using Kryonaut Extreme. But I’d like to switch to something better for long term. 

Worse. I've already tested it. Three times, in fact. It will be worse than the Corsair paste you got from Walmart. It works good for turdbooks with crappy-fitting heat sinks because it doesn't pump out and it fills gaps, but it can say for certain it is the worst TIM that I have ever used on a desktop. Not anything crazy like 10-15°C hotter, but not nearly as effective as MX-4, MX-6 or KPx or TF7, etc. At least 5°C higher temps all three times.

 

If you want to try something new. maybe test the TF9 paste. I have never tried it before. 

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=TF9+thermal+paste&crid=NA6AQT8BS3U9

 

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I updated to 2503 Apex bios and the new 0x129 microcode, I did not get to mess with it that much. I did some basic testing on it. But I switched back to my other bios position on the Apex. And once you switch back to the other bios switch, it goes right back to the old microcode 0x123 lol. I thought it would keep and carry over the new microcode. But it keeps it where my bios position #1 9901 is 0x123, and bios position #2 is 2503 and 0x129. 
 

And I am going to keep it this way. I use one side for new updated microcode and testing new bios. And I have my other position for tried and true older bios older microcode. 😃

The new BIOS works identical for me on the Apex and the Apex Encore. All BIOS settings set exactly the same on old and new firmware. Cinebench and AIDA64 scores exactly the same. No loss of performance or stability that I can identify.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Worse. I've already tested it. Three times, in fact. It will be worse than the Corsair paste you got from Walmart. It works good for turdbooks with crappy-fitting heat sinks because it doesn't pump out and it fills gaps, but it can say for certain it is the worst TIM that I have ever used on a desktop. Not anything crazy like 10-15°C hotter, but not nearly as effective as MX-4, MX-6 or KPx or TF7, etc. At least 5°C higher temps all three times.

 

If you want to try something new. maybe test the TF9 paste. I have never tried it before. 

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=TF9+thermal+paste&crid=NA6AQT8BS3U9

 

The new BIOS works identical for me on the Apex and the Apex Encore. All settings set exactly the same. Cinebench and AIDA64 scores exactly the same. No loss of performance or stability that I can identify.

Glad you said something, or else I would have bought some and tried it out for sure. Everyone has been going crazy over this stuff a little while back. I think this "Phase pad" has had its "Phase"

 

[tps3443]

I am trying to make it fit in that 320 watt door way. But her butt is just a little too wide. Close enough though. 

Stock ram, cpu, besides E-Cores, and ring. So, 5.9-6.2P/4.8E/5.0R 8200xmp. Vmin is around 1.225-1.230. I would say E-SP82 on a 14900KS is pretty decent. No delid here at all. I think if I did put this on direct die, it would be some crazy crazy numbers. Definitely would do 5.0E easily. 

Also, my VID's are not as high, because my ring is not at 5.3Ghz. When you step the ring up that high the VID's go with it. But, I primarily just care about the load voltage. 

Anyways, just doing some power testing on bios 2503 and new microcode. 

[Mr. Fox]

26 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Glad you said something, or else I would have bought some and tried it out for sure. Everyone has been going crazy over this stuff a little while back. I think this "Phase pad" has had its "Phase"

I think one reason it works well for laptops is they don't really have high TDP on anything. There is probably nothing more durable. You can't re-use it like you can Kryonaut or KPx, but if you do not disturb it the stuff will last for a super long time. Also a reason why it works great for laptops. If you had a low TDP desktop CPU and ran it stock it would probably do fine. The thermal conductivity is pretty low and I think that is why it worked poorly for me with my overclocked CPU pulling over 300W.

 

This is basically the same stuff that comes pre-applied on many heat sinks and AIO water blocks. If it has the clear film you peel off and bolt it down, it is this Honeywell pad.

[tps3443]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think one reason it works well for laptops is they don't really have high TDP on anything. There is probably nothing more durable. You can't re-use it like you can Kryonaut or KPx, but if you do not disturb it the stuff will last for a super long time. Also a reason why it works great for laptops. If you had a low TDP desktop CPU and ran it stock it would probably do fine. The thermal conductivity is pretty low and I think that is why it worked poorly for me with my overclocked CPU pulling over 300W.

 

This is basically the same stuff that comes pre-applied on many heat sinks and AIO water blocks. If it has the clear film you peel off and bolt it down, it is this Honeywell pad.

Yeah I’m gonna try that TF9. I bought a big container of Kryonaut Extreme. Well it’s actually a tiny tub. But it’s like 33 grams worth of it. It was when Titan Rig or one of these other shops had it on sale for $89.99 and it was like $76 with a discount code. But I believe my wife threw it away on accident. We have been tossing some stuff getting ready for the move. 

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

You guys think I’d see similar or better performance if using a ptm7950 thermal paste/pad on my cpu? 
 

Currently using Kryonaut Extreme. But I’d like to switch to something better for long term. 

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Worse. I've already tested it. Three times, in fact. It will be worse than the Corsair paste you got from Walmart. It works good for turdbooks with crappy-fitting heat sinks because it doesn't pump out and it fills gaps, but it can say for certain it is the worst TIM that I have ever used on a desktop. Not anything crazy like 10-15°C hotter, but not nearly as effective as MX-4, MX-6 or KPx or TF7, etc. At least 5°C higher temps all three times.

 

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Glad you said something, or else I would have bought some and tried it out for sure. Everyone has been going crazy over this stuff a little while back. I think this "Phase pad" has had its "Phase"

 

Agreed.

 

I've tried it 3 times actually with two different BGA laptops and it sucks OR I got a bad/fake batch ordered from Amazon here. I had way better results with Nano extreme (the original go to for laptops and poor heatsink pairings).

 

Isn't this the same stuff 4090/7900XTX users are raving over as being the best though (outside of liquid metal)?

 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I am trying to make it fit in that 320 watt door way. But her butt is just a little too wide. Close enough though. 

Stock ram, cpu, besides E-Cores, and ring. So, 5.9-6.2P/4.8E/5.0R 8200xmp. Vmin is around 1.225-1.230. I would say E-SP82 on a 14900KS is pretty decent. No delid here at all. I think if I did put this on direct die, it would be some crazy crazy numbers. Definitely would do 5.0E easily. 

Also, my VID's are not as high, because my ring is not at 5.3Ghz. When you step the ring up that high the VID's go with it. But, I primarily just care about the load voltage. 

Anyways, just doing some power testing on bios 2503 and new microcode. 

 

Still looking decent! Don't get the itch and delid again when you eventually get bored with it. 🙂

 

I only focus on load voltage and temps. I don't care what is being requested only what is being fed and how hot it gets.

 

How do your e-cores scale in this scenario from 44x, 45x, 46x, 47x and 48x? For me, I'd back off the e-cores and see what the trade off is for the P-cores and find that nice equalibrium.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah I’m gonna try that TF9. I bought a big container of Kryonaut Extreme. Well it’s actually a tiny tub. But it’s like 33 grams worth of it. It was when Titan Rig or one of these other shops had it on sale for $89.99 and it was like $76 with a discount code. But I believe my wife threw it away on accident. We have been tossing some stuff getting ready for the move. 

 

10 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Agreed.

 

I've tried it 3 times actually with two different BGA laptops and it sucks OR I got a bad/fake batch ordered from Amazon here. I had way better results with Nano extreme (the original go to for laptops and poor heatsink pairings).

 

Isn't this the same stuff 4090/7900XTX users are raving over as being the best though (outside of liquid metal)?

Don't believe it. People like to state preferences as though they are facts.

 

Here is proof. Just did the comparison today. Kryonaut Extreme is the same as KPx in terms of how it works. It costs A WHOLE LOT more. Good stuff, but not worth it. I will use it since I bought it, but I won't ever buy it again. No benefit unless the goal is to spend $10.00 per gram more for the pink color instead of blue. Literally no difference.

Newer is always better newer, right @Papusan?

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Don't believe it. People like to state preferences as though they are facts.

 

Here is proof. Just did the comparison today. Kryonaut Extreme is the same as KPx in terms of how it works. It costs A WHOLE LOT more. Good stuff, but not worth it. I will use it since I bought it, but I won't ever buy it again. No benefit unless the goal is to spend $10.00 per gram more for the pink color instead of blue. Literally no difference.

Newer is always better newer, right @Papusan?

 

I see where you go. But this is not an option here home. KPx will cost me more. See...

 

I ordered this in early spring...

 

1099 nok = $101.60 USD

One bottle of Kryonaut Extreme is 33.84g = So $3 USD per gram. Still damn expensive. But other lower end brand pastes here home will cost the same or even more. Etc Noctua NT-H2 High Performance will cost me $4 USD per gram. Me... Haven't much options but I rather buy the small bottle Grizzly and at least can save some money. And as FYI. This is with the dreaded 25% Norwegian tax included. 

 

Edit. 2 gram Thermalright TF8 cost +32$ or 16$ per gram. Isn't that disgusting?

https://www.multicom.no/thermalright-waermeleitpaste-tf-8-2/cat-p/c/p1000445950

 

Yup it seems I have not many other choices than continue buying bottles with Kryonaut Extreme. A lot money to pay each time I need paste, but I haven't many other choices. Buy small syringes with thermal paste will cost me more. So that's not an option. Just pay and be happy🤢