*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Talon]

18 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Apparently the new Final Fantasy XVI Demo on Steam released on the 19th also is giving some users fits with its shader compiles. I just ran it on my main desktop (7950X3D/4090) and no problems at all. I'll try it on my 14900KS/7900XTX setup later to see how it stacks up against the Wukong fun times.

 

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2738000/FINAL_FANTASY_XVI_DEMO/

 

Just downloaded it myself. With my 14900KS with latest 0x129 Microcode BIOS, default performance 253w profile, and -110mV Core and -50mV L2 it compiled without as much as a hiccup. 

 

Unfortunately too many are using the old BIOS and are either scared of a BIOS update, or think they're on the newest BIOS because they put out so many that said "Intel defaults". 

 

Intel really needs to do a better job with a public campaign that sends out emails to consumers via their retailer. 

[Prema]

The Memory Controller Voltage "bug" was introduced in Microcode v124, so before v125 eTVB and v129 voltage spike patches.

 

It's also even worse on v124...

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, Prema said:

The Memory Controller Voltage "bug" was introduced in Microcode v124, so before v125 eTVB and v129 voltage spike patches.

 

It's also even worse in v124...

That is sad. But, your involvement for PremaMod Partners remains priceless.

 

I have not noticed anything because I only went from MC 11F to 129 only to fix the SA bug on one CPU. If not for the SA bug fix I would still be using old firmware. The only reason I considered updating to 129 is because it was being reported at overclock.net that MC 129 BIOS fixed the SA bug. One of my five LGA1700 CPUs is a fantastic sample with the SA bug. The others are very good and have no SA bug. Same is/was true for @electrosoft. He has a super chip with the SA bug that 129 fixed.

 

Even so, I probably would not notice the eTVB bug because I manually overclock everything and have eTVB options disabled in the BIOS because I hate that kind of approach to overclocking. I find the "old school" way of doing things to always be the best approach. 

[Prema]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is sad. But, your involvement for PremaMod Partners remains priceless.

 

Even so, I probably would not notice the eTVB bug because I manually overclock everything and have eTVB options disabled in the BIOS because I hate that kind of approach to overclocking. I find the "old school" way of doing things to always be the best approach. 

 

Manual FTW!

 

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[tps3443]

What do you all think is going to happen with next gen Intel launch? The 285K can’t possible be their top dog chip. I mean, it has HT disabled, and it’s only about as fast as a 14900KS. The naming also sounds oddly familiar. “285K” “10850K”… 🧐Makes me think, Intel will drop a new “Value King CPU” the 285K for $449-$499 pricing. And then they release the real beast chip to compete with AMD 9000 X3D chips in the coming months. Maybe that will be the “Ultra 290K” or “Ultra 300K” 🙂 Something about the 285K competing at similar performance of the 14900KS seems a little suspicious to me. Intel has always been after that R23 MT score 😂 

 

I am curious to see how this plays out. And I will more than likely wait to see the chips launch. Hopefully we will see a Special Edition. 

[Mr. Fox]

26 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

What do you all think is going to happen with next gen Intel launch? The 285K can’t possible be their top dog chip. I mean, it has HT disabled, and it’s only about as fast as a 14900KS. The naming also sounds oddly familiar. “285K” “10850K”… 🧐Makes me think, Intel will drop a new “Value King CPU” the 285K for $449-$499 pricing. And then they release the real beast chip to compete with AMD 9000 X3D chips in the coming months. Maybe that will be the “Ultra 290K” or “Ultra 300K” 🙂 Something about the 285K competing at similar performance of the 14900KS seems a little suspicious to me. Intel has always been after that R23 MT score 😂 

 

I am curious to see how this plays out. And I will more than likely wait to see the chips launch. Hopefully we will see a Special Edition. 

If it performs the same or better as 13900KS/14900K/KF/KS and ditches the crappy smartphone cores I would be open for the change, but I am skeptical about silicon quality. If it is a voltage pig with insane thermals that limit overclocking, and leave no headroom for overclocking, then probably not.

 

I do love the idea of adding performance cores and eliminating Atom cores as long as benchmark scores are equal to or greater than what I have now. A big monolithic processor with matching cores under a single die, in my opinion, is the only right way to do things. I do not like the elimination of hyperthreading and I would want to see the elimination of Atom cores result in reinstatement of AVX. The E-core crap is why AVX was removed.

As usual, we need to wait and see. I'm not crazy about speculation and predictions. I prefer to see tangible evidence.

  

1 hour ago, Prema said:

 

Manual FTW!

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Jose is going to feel slighted that you only mentioned Manuel. 😜
No shifting. Just wide open throttle.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Just downloaded it myself. With my 14900KS with latest 0x129 Microcode BIOS, default performance 253w profile, and -110mV Core and -50mV L2 it compiled without as much as a hiccup. 

 

Unfortunately too many are using the old BIOS and are either scared of a BIOS update, or think they're on the newest BIOS because they put out so many that said "Intel defaults". 

 

Intel really needs to do a better job with a public campaign that sends out emails to consumers via their retailer. 

 

I expect loads of people undervolt as mad. On the edge of stability and you'll get weird problems in some tasks/games. And then they will blame Intel or and the MB manufacturers for their self introduced problems. 

 

 

 

33 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

What do you all think is going to happen with next gen Intel launch? The 285K can’t possible be their top dog chip. I mean, it has HT disabled, and it’s only about as fast as a 14900KS. The naming also sounds oddly familiar. “285K” “10850K”… 🧐Makes me think, Intel will drop a new “Value King CPU” the 285K for $449-$499 pricing. And then they release the real beast chip to compete with AMD 9000 X3D chips in the coming months. Maybe that will be the “Ultra 290K” or “Ultra 300K” 🙂 Something about the 285K competing at similar performance of the 14900KS seems a little suspicious to me. Intel has always been after that R23 MT score 😂 

 

I am curious to see how this plays out. And I will more than likely wait to see the chips launch. Hopefully we will see a Special Edition. 

 

I doub't we will see 300K branding. That will be their next SKU line-up. Maybe an 295K as the KS. Higher clocks but with still same amount cores/threads.

 

[Mr. Fox]

I can see myself, and some other fine people of equal intelligence, (like a lot of us here,) potentially going through a long dry spell and not finding any good reason to purchase new computer tech. Maybe even never finding a good reason in the foreseeable future if the trend continues on its current undesirable downward trajectory. That would actually be a blessing in disguise in some respects. No point in wasting money on downgrades when the result is only newer is better newer.

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, tps3443 said:

This SP103 is toast! I feel bad for the guy who bought it. I went straight to direct die, didn’t even test it before hand. But the chip needs like 1.225v just to run 5.6P at 48c package temp. Someone smoked the chip. 5.7/5.8/5.9 are all completely unstable. Launching anything other than a browser will BSOD. Turning off or reducing the E-Cores helps a lot. So, all I could get “Kinda useable” was 5.6P/4.3E/4.5R on direct die+ chilled water. 😂 Wonder if that’s why it was only $400 bucks for a 14900KS. 🤔 Anyways, I tried everything I could with the CPU. It just can't run at all without failing it seems. 

The chip refuses to launch R23 under any circumstances. Any light games are closing to desktop. This chip is defective, or it was cooked with so much voltage that it is so degraded it can barely run anymore at all. Since it needed about 1.225V for 5.6P and still would fail to run R24 consistently this makes me think it has been degraded or abused. But, I do not really know. I have never dealt with a CPU like this. I spent a lot of time with it. Not sure what it may be. 🤷‍♂️

 

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I couldn’t even bare it. The chip was just completely unstable on auto/default everything and DDR5 5600. I ran it for like 3 hours last night trying to see if I could get it working properly. And I couldn’t do anything but crash and run in circles. It acted like a 1000% defective CPU to me.
 

(1) Opening R23 was impossible. 

(2) Extracting new R23 file would freeze during extraction.

(3) opening any game would close to desktop after just a second, even games like BeamNG that are easy to run without shader compiling. 
(4) The only thing I could run was CPU-Z bench/Stress, which case the temps were really really good. 
(5) Opening a browser would lose internet connection and say, you‘re not connected to the internet.
 

Using 5.9/4.5/4.5 with DDR5 5600c46 complete auto settings was next to impossible. I increased SA voltage which actually helped stability a little bit. R24 load would shoot load voltage up, and crash before it even started. 
 

It would only run properly if the chip was de-tuned to 5.6P/4.3E. Then it was useable as a chip. I did test memory stability at which passed fine as well. I pulled the chip and put mine back in. 
 

Here are a few pictures of the CPU. 
 

 

 

 

Pity, the 5600Mhz V/F is actually decent.

 

If it won't run anything even on your killer setup, DD and stability only at those settings and load voltage, that chip screams defective. I don't think I've ever read of a degraded chip to that level.

 

Either way, need to relid it professionally and send that thing in for an exchange from Intel.

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

I can see myself, and some other fine people of equal intelligence, (like a lot of us here), potentially going through a long dry spell and not finding any good reason to purchase new computer tech. Maybe even never finding a good reason in the foreseeable future if the trend continues on its current undesirable downward trajectory. That would actually be a blessing in disguise in some respects. No point in wasting money on downgrades when the result is only newer is better newer.

 

I have hopes for Arrow Lake.

AMD 9000 really isn't exciting. Slim hope for 9950X3D/9800X3D to provide some type of meaningful uplift.

AMD GPUs are apparently regressing next gen overall but supposed to have stronger RT?

Help me 5090..you're our only hope.  🤣

 

Right now, I'm financing my daughter's College Education and she's in year 2, so any excuse to pump the brakes is ok. The bill from the Bursar's office just hit and it was spicy! 🤑

[Papusan]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I can see myself, and some other fine people of equal intelligence, (like a lot of us here), potentially going through a long dry spell and not finding any good reason to purchase new computer tech. Maybe even never finding a good reason in the foreseeable future if the trend continues on its current undesirable downward trajectory. That would actually be a blessing in disguise in some respects. No point in wasting money on downgrades when the result is only newer is better newer.

 

Here's the newest X3D chips. And it's from AMD. Maybe he should have used an 13th/14th gen Intel chips, LOOL

[Mr. Fox]

I am most assuredly not going to play ball  in the way the Redmond Retards are changing the game with Winduhz changes. I am glad I began my journey of warming up to Linux. My tolerance for the nonsense of their insane clown posse is wearing very thin. They are hanging by a thread now with their Nazi control freak shenanigans.

 

As I ponder the idea of sunsetting my benching hobby, any incentive to purchase new products is more or less eliminated. Financially, that is a huge win for me and a five finger death punch to the industry if many people have similar personal revelations.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Just downloaded it myself. With my 14900KS with latest 0x129 Microcode BIOS, default performance 253w profile, and -110mV Core and -50mV L2 it compiled without as much as a hiccup. 

 

Unfortunately too many are using the old BIOS and are either scared of a BIOS update, or think they're on the newest BIOS because they put out so many that said "Intel defaults". 

 

Intel really needs to do a better job with a public campaign that sends out emails to consumers via their retailer. 

 

Yeah, I tested it on my 14900KS setup and it compiled just fine with my original profiles. Wukan Benchmark just hit differently as noted by many here and elsewhere. I also think there is a wide crossover for software issues and hardware issues and the easy out is to blame Intel atm as we see below:

 

 

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Here's the newest X3D chips. And it's from AMD. Maybe he should have used an 13th/14th gen Intel chips, LOOL

 

The fact it reaches 100% shows it most likely isn't a shaders compiling issue but the problem lies elsewhere.

 

Sometimes people confuse buggy software with hardware issues. This is true for Intel and AMD platforms.

[D2ultima]

Well it comes to that time again. Seems I have a problem.

 

My windows security service isn't working. I believe ages ago I used a defender switch program, but none of those new programs run anymore. I just get a popup about things being a virus then they get auto deleted. I also can't run the microcode updater, it throws me an error saying the driver can't run on the PC due to security conflicts. But I cannot open security center, or anything like that, it's just grayed out, and the security service is just completely dead. Can't enable it and a plethora of fixes can't be enabled.

 

Now whenever I restart my system it keeps throwing the error about the microcode updater driver being unable to run.

 

I should've left well enough alone and never clicked it, I don't want to reinstall windows for this.

 

Anybody got any idea on a way to fix my security issues? Think it might be as simple as installing an antivirus and letting it allow the driver? Because I am actually stumped, and I can't seem to use another defender switch to turn it back on. And this alludes to my prime example of "stop cutting things out of windows it will break things in the long run" that I keep saying.

[tps3443]

So who is pre-ordering the 285K? And who is waiting for the possible 295K? 

[electrosoft]

20 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

So who is pre-ordering the 285K? And who is waiting for the possible 295K? 

 

I'll wait for day 1 @Talon results to see where I'm going.... 🤣

 

BTW, saw the thread for the SP103 over yonder....yikes that's going to be a poo poo storm and then some.

 

JayZ on how to check for degraded chips.....

 

 

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, Talon said:

 

He hasn't updated his microcode. The comments on Steam show that after users updated their BIOS, the crashing stops and they can compile. Unfortunately so many don't know how or won't update their BIOS. 

 

 

 

 

nah, no more dispute from my side, seems pretty clear now. scoured through enough reviews now to have a good overall picture for Zen 5. X3D waiting game commences...

[electrosoft]

16 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

nah, no more dispute from my side, seems pretty clear now. scoured through enough review now to have a good overall picture for Zen 5. X3D waiting game commences...

 

Ditto..... If I wasn't into gaming and I was new to computers, 9950X makes sense. I would pick it over 14th gen.

 

But right now, the smart move is to wait for 15th gen and X3D variants.

 

 

[Talon]

50 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'll wait for day 1 @Talon results to see where I'm going.... 🤣

 

BTW, saw the thread for the SP103 over yonder....yikes that's going to be a poo poo storm and then some.

 

JayZ on how to check for degraded chips.....

 

 

You know I have vacation in Oct for a couple weeks. I’ll be at Microcenter on launch morning lol. 
 

But honestly I’m not so sure this is going to be as great as I had hoped after seeing the leaks. My 14900KS at stock and undervolted with good dual ranked memory is almost as good or better than the result we saw. 
 

I know it’s just Geekbench and gaming could be great but meh. 
 

That won’t stop me from wanting to get one and tune for max perf. 

[electrosoft]

6 minutes ago, Talon said:

You know I have vacation in Oct for a couple weeks. I’ll be at Microcenter on launch morning lol. 
 

But honestly I’m not so sure this is going to be as great as I had hoped after seeing the leaks. My 14900KS at stock and undervolted with good dual ranked memory is almost as good or better than the result we saw. 
 

I know it’s just Geekbench and gaming could be great but meh. 
 

That won’t stop me from wanting to get one and tune for max perf. 

 

This is what? 10 years now since the NBR forums? I realized X amount of years ago that you buy Intel/Nvidia hardware day one or close to it and give it a really competent set of early testing that tends to stick and align with my approach to hardware so I always trust it and it has yet to be wrong....

 

.....why fix what isn't broke? 🤣

 

So yeah....I'll be on the lookout for your results. 😜

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, D2ultima said:

Well it comes to that time again. Seems I have a problem.

 

My windows security service isn't working. I believe ages ago I used a defender switch program, but none of those new programs run anymore. I just get a popup about things being a virus then they get auto deleted. I also can't run the microcode updater, it throws me an error saying the driver can't run on the PC due to security conflicts. But I cannot open security center, or anything like that, it's just grayed out, and the security service is just completely dead. Can't enable it and a plethora of fixes can't be enabled.

 

Now whenever I restart my system it keeps throwing the error about the microcode updater driver being unable to run.

 

I should've left well enough alone and never clicked it, I don't want to reinstall windows for this.

 

Anybody got any idea on a way to fix my security issues? Think it might be as simple as installing an antivirus and letting it allow the driver? Because I am actually stumped, and I can't seem to use another defender switch to turn it back on. And this alludes to my prime example of "stop cutting things out of windows it will break things in the long run" that I keep saying.

 

At least check out... You can check whether Windows Security Center is enabled in the Registry Editor.  

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, D2ultima said:

Well it comes to that time again. Seems I have a problem.

 

My windows security service isn't working. I believe ages ago I used a defender switch program, but none of those new programs run anymore. I just get a popup about things being a virus then they get auto deleted. I also can't run the microcode updater, it throws me an error saying the driver can't run on the PC due to security conflicts. But I cannot open security center, or anything like that, it's just grayed out, and the security service is just completely dead. Can't enable it and a plethora of fixes can't be enabled.

 

Now whenever I restart my system it keeps throwing the error about the microcode updater driver being unable to run.

 

I should've left well enough alone and never clicked it, I don't want to reinstall windows for this.

 

Anybody got any idea on a way to fix my security issues? Think it might be as simple as installing an antivirus and letting it allow the driver? Because I am actually stumped, and I can't seem to use another defender switch to turn it back on. And this alludes to my prime example of "stop cutting things out of windows it will break things in the long run" that I keep saying.

Just nuke Defender completely and get that horrible cancer off your system. It is a resource hog that is inappropriately restrictive and interferes with use of your system.

 

Destroy Defender (from my OneDrive account)

 

If you feel compelled to have a placebo to keep you safe, ESET AV, Kasperski and Panda Free are all good options. Malwarebytes is also decent and I like the added advantage that you can close it manually and end all background services for benching.
 

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

So who is pre-ordering the 285K? And who is waiting for the possible 295K? 

I am going to let other people spent their money and see what it produces. If it is compelling enough to even consider it, then I will look for better than average samples on overclock.net that are better than average samples after the person blowing money on binning has chosen the best one to keep for themselves. I'm not going to spend money on lottery tickets that are not guaranteed winners. I may never buy another new CPU again. I hate getting screwed with below average trash and having to fart around with RMAs. Almost every Intel and AMD CPU that I have purchased new retail has been disappointing silicon quality.

[Papusan]

 

 

Microcode 0x129. Intel's Raptor Lake refresh has to stay after school - Conclusion
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/prozessoren/64213-microcode-0x129-raptor-lake-refresh-muss-nachsitzen.html?start=9

[tps3443]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

Just nuke Defender completely and get that horrible cancer off your system. It is a resource hog that is inappropriately restrictive and interferes with use of your system.

 

Destroy Defender

 

If you feel compelled to have a placebo to keep you safe, ESET AV, Kasperski and Panda Free are all good options. Malwarebytes is also decent and I like the added advantage that you can close it manually and end all background services for benching.
 

I am going to let other people spent their money and see what it produces. If it is compelling enough to even consider it, then I will look for better than average samples on overclock.net that are better than average samples after the person blowing money on binning has chosen the best one to keep for themselves. I'm not going to spend money on lottery tickets that are not guaranteed winners. I may never buy another new CPU again. I hate getting screwed with below average trash and having to fart around with RMAs. Almost every Intel and AMD CPU that I have purchased new retail has been disappointing silicon quality.

I hear ya. I’m going to grab just two retail chips, one at one place, and one at another. And then I will test those. Just looking for a well rounded and good working cpu. Some chips cannot operate properly at all it seems lol.

[tps3443]

@Mr. Fox can you post the link to the that Apex 0933 bios again. I can’t find your post. Thank you. I really appreciate it.