*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think the 4K 144Hz ASUS monitor might be the issue I was having. I use it every day, all day, but it doesn't play nice with my computers during POST. Once POST passes everything is normal. It's like the BIOS freaks out connected to it for some reason. MUCH WORSE on the Encore than the white Apex. Never happens with my dual 1440P Predator screens or on HDMI.

 

Hmmm. Same behavious on most tested bios versions? Bugged firmware is common. As well check if there is an firmware update for that Asus monitor. It's Asus as you know. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

It's Asus as you know. 

They've never been consistently good. Very hit or miss. It's no secret that I haven't liked the ASUS brand for a long time and they haven't changed my mind so far. It's not their products that suck as much as their process and approach to things, and poor QC. I am not planning any upgrades anytime soon, but when that day comes, if possible, my next purchase will be a different brand unless the different brand doesn't offer anything desirable. So, my next motherboard will most likely be from Gigabyte, ASRock or MSI. I can't say that I like any of them to be honest. They all have have issues to some degree. EVGA was the only brand that I can say that I actually liked and we see how that turned out. Being the best takes a back seat to popularity, and being popular doesn't require being good or great. Until 2-DIMM motherboards become the norm, the acceptable options that can be counted will be few and far between.

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Has everyone seen the Gigabyte Tachyon Z890? Definitely looks like the Dark motherboards. 

It’s a spare chip, so owner said I could play with it for a while. 

 

I'd like to say with 100% certainty I'm NOT getting 15th gen.....but I can not. 🙂

 

As it is getting closer, I'm starting to get that "itch" especially being a new architecture.

 

Hopefully reviews show it being close enough (or slower even) than 14th gen to scratch this itch adequately. 🙂

 

Problem is the 4090 is clearly NOT the problem in WoW.....

 

 

[tps3443]

29 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

They've never been consistently good. Very hit or miss. It's no secret that I haven't liked the ASUS brand for a long time and they haven't changed my mind so far. It's not their products that suck as much as their process and approach to things, and poor QC. I am not planning any upgrades anytime soon, but when that day comes, if possible, my next purchase will be a different brand unless the different brand doesn't offer anything desirable. So, my next motherboard will most likely be from Gigabyte, ASRock or MSI. I can't say that I like any of them to be honest. They all have have issues to some degree. EVGA was the only brand that I can say that I actually liked and we see how that turned out. Being the best takes a back seat to popularity, and being popular doesn't require being good or great. Until 2-DIMM motherboards become the norm, the acceptable options that can be counted will be few and far between.

I really think MSI is gonna kill it this go around with Intel boards. I’ve already seen their (2) Dimm Z890 model floating around. MSI Quality is VERYYYY good. I have a MSI mid level PSU, and I’ve had MSI GPU‘s, all of their stuff is very good. Not a huge fan of AsRock bios, but I’d be willing to learn it for the right (2) Dimm Z890 board. If I had to pick, I’d probably take the gamble and get a Z890 Apex. I’ll cross my fingers and start praying I get a good one. 
 

I am actually considering selling my white Apex Z790 A04, and SP108 (14900KS), and the G.Skill 8200 (2x24GB) as a combo very soon. 

[Papusan]

Hmmm. Is fewer PCB layers an advantage? I don't think so. Neither did Kingpin and EVGA. Cheaper to make. And boards as the >Z690 Apex had 8 layers PCB. And all know how that went. Asus added more PCB layers for the Z790 Apex boards. No  backplate can replace a more expensive PCB. Here you can see MSI slap on the moniker "Ultra Low Loss" as an game changer. Hmmm. Why not just go even cheaper and make 6 layers boards for the OC enthusiasts? Hope it comes cheap to reflect the boards cost

 

 

 Sep 20, 20:45

MSI MEG Z890 UNIFY-X overclocking board for Core Ultra 200K series has been leaked

[tps3443]

13 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Hmmm. Is fewer PCB layers an advantage? I don't think so. Neither did Kingpin and EVGA. Cheaper to make. And boards as the >Z690 Apex had 8 layers PCB. And all know how that went. Asus added more PCB layers for the Z790 refresh. No  backplate can replace a more expensive PCB. Here you see MSI going the cheap route and put the moniker "Ultra Low Loss". 

 

 

 Sep 20, 20:45

MSI MEG Z890 UNIFY-X overclocking board for Core Ultra 200K series has been leaked

That is ridiculous good looking! MSI is finally back. And now they know it’s in demand since their absence from Z790. 

[Mr. Fox]

There should be NO SUCH THING as a 4-DIMM DDR5 enthusiast motherboard. That is an oxymoron. All brands should stop manufacturing them. They can make them for the content creators that think they need them, but it's trash for overclocking and gaming enthusiasts.

[tps3443]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

There should be NO SUCH THING as a 4-DIMM DDR5 enthusiast motherboard. That is an oxymoron. All brands should stop manufacturing them. They can make them for the content creators that think they need them, but it's trash for overclocking and gaming enthusiasts.

It’s taken years to phase it out. And it’s getting there. These new boards look great though. I don’t even know which one to get? 
 

 

What are you getting, if you get one? 
 

(1) Z890 Apex

(2) Z890 Unify-X

(3) Z890 Tachyon

(4) Maybe another option (Asrock loves to price their stuff through the moon lol)

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, tps3443 said:

It’s taken years to phase it out. And it’s getting there. These new boards look great though. I don’t even know which one to get? 
 

 

What are you getting, if you get one? 
 

(1) Z890 Apex

(2) Z890 Unify-X

(3) Z890 Tachyon

(4) Maybe another option (Asrock loves to price their stuff through the moon lol)

I am not sure. I'm really not digging the idea of purchasing less than 32 thread CPUs with no hyperthreading, so I might not even participate in next gen.  I'm going to take my usual wait and see approach.

 

From that list I would choose Unify-X or Tachyon. I don't like most of the BIOSes. I liked EVGA BIOS best, ASUS next. MSI and Gigabyte BIOS are very "meh" and I cannot remember much detail about the BIOS in the one ASRock motherboard I owned. It was a Taichi Chai Tea and it was pretty crappy. I didn't keep it long at all because it sucked.

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Hmmm. Is fewer PCB layers an advantage? I don't think so. Neither did Kingpin and EVGA. Cheaper to make. And boards as the >Z690 Apex had 8 layers PCB. And all know how that went. Asus added more PCB layers for the Z790 Apex boards. No  backplate can replace a more expensive PCB. Here you can see MSI slap on the moniker "Ultra Low Loss" as an game changer. Hmmm. Why not just go even cheaper and make 6 layers boards for the OC enthusiasts? Hope it comes cheap to reflect the boards cost

 

 

 Sep 20, 20:45

MSI MEG Z890 UNIFY-X overclocking board for Core Ultra 200K series has been leaked

 

And here you see MSI spend more money on the motherboard for Ryzen chips. 10 layers PCB and more power phases. The MEG Z890 Unify-X enthusiasts board looks as a cheapo compared. 

 

MSI X870 MEG GODLIKE Features
Support For AMD Ryzen 9000/8000/7000 Desktop CPUs (AM5) Socket
28 Phase (110A) CPU VRM Design
Dual 8-Pin Power Connectors For CPU
Four DDR5 DIMM Slots (Up To 256 GB Capacities)
EXPO Support With DDR5-8000+ Memory Support
10 Layer & 2 Oz Copper PCB Design
8 USB Type-C Ports (2x 40Gbps, 1x 20 Gbps, 5×10 Gbps)
Two x16 PCIe Gen 5 Slots (x16/x8 Electrical)
Five M.2 Slots (2x Gen 5, 3x Gen 4)
M.2 Shield Frozr Heatsinks For M.2 Slots
Steel Reinforced PCIe and Memory Slots
Dual X870E PCH Dies
Additional 8-pin connector for PCIe power (RTX 50 support)
4x SATA III Ports

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/meg-x870e-godlike-detailed-msi-flagship-motherboard-for-ryzen-9000-cpus

 

Yup. Going cheapo means cheaper made boards... 

[Mr. Fox]

On 9/19/2024 at 10:27 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Two of my fans are getting worn out and need to be replaced (behind the distribution manifold). On those two the LED also looks green instead of white. Replacements should be here tomorrow.

22 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Nice! I noticed those two fans immediately.

Fixed. The lights are all white now, so it's all right now.

 

[electrosoft]

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Fixed. The lights are all white now, so it's all right now.

 

 

MUCH better and looks really nice!

[Mr. Fox]

45 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

MUCH better and looks really nice!

Thank you. I really like it.

[tps3443]

here the record low volts for 8800 folks lol. (kidding I have no idea what it may be)
 

Im currently testing DDR5 8800c40@1.400v 🤯

 

The G.Skill 8200 (2x24) kit is absolutely just pure gold is all I can really say. Pure insanity that it can run 8800@1.400v. 

 

 

[Papusan]

 

Exactly what to expect from new modern processors. Good power efficiency and better iGPU. All what counts for the modern computer user nowadays🤢🤮🤢

 

Intel Lunar Lake CPU benchmarks reveal good power efficiency and GPU performance — Core Ultra 7 268V results show regressions in multi-core performance

[ryan]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Good power efficiency and better iGPU

if portability is something you need, as for want...dont know anyone that would want less.. i like one of my laptops it has good battery life screen ect..but i use it like twice a month..if i had a desktop in exchange for my omen id be on it 8 hours a day

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, ryan said:

if portability is something you need, as for want...dont know anyone that would want less.. i like one of my laptops it has good battery life screen ect..but i use it like twice a month..if i had a desktop in exchange for my omen id be on it 8 hours a day

 

Is there an absolute need for +25 hours battery runtime for your work/gaming with portable laptops at the expense of better performance and let's say 12 hours before the need for charging? Then why not just buy an tablet instead if you are in need for really good battery runtime as +24 hours a day? No one run their lapjoke's 24/7/365 on battery for work or fun. For that you need an desktop or just plug it in the AC. They need to bring back performance. Not this, as you saw in my previous post.

Edited September 22 by Reciever
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[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

IThey need to bring back performance. Not this, as you saw in my previous post.

I am pretty sure that even if they did, at this point, I would no longer care. I honestly don't care about turdbooks anymore. Nothing good or bad they do to them matters to me as long as the same idiots that screwed them up don't screw up my desktops. Laptops are the equivalent of toilet paper or feminine hygiene products. When you need them they are important, but you don't think of those things except when you need them. I certainly do not view them as being special purchases or objects of desire.

[Papusan]

On 9/22/2024 at 7:57 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I am pretty sure that even if they did, at this point, I would no longer care. I honestly don't care about turdbooks anymore. Nothing good or bad they do to them matters to me as long as the same idiots that screwed them up don't screw up my desktops. Laptops are the equivalent of toilet paper or feminine hygiene products. When you need them they are important, but you don't think of those things except when you need them. I certainly do not view them as being special purchases or objects of desire.

 

Main problem. Mainstream desktop processors is mobile processors with slightly higher boost clocks (200MHz) and TDP. Not the opposite. This is the sad truth. 

 

 

Back to proper hardware. The new Seasonic Prime PSU looks great. With proper amount power connectors. Here you won't have any problems connect whatever you want.

Seasonic Launches the New PRIME PX-2200 Power Supply

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After a successful product introduction during Computex 2024, Sea Sonic is now launching the sales of the new PRIME PX-2200 power supply. The Seasonic PRIME Series represents Sea Sonic's pinnacle of engineering, blending cutting-edge design with premium materials and advanced production processes. The latest models showcase digital fan control, modern interleaved PFC (Power Factor Correction), and a patented dual-transformer design running in parallel.

 

Nice. You have the chance to get rid of the 12+4 pin trash connector on the PSU side of the 12V-2x6 cables. 

And below is the new and more modern way to make trash for the consumers... Huge lack of power connectors although the PSU is an 1200W variant. All love is put into the stupid 12+4 connector for newest Nvidia cards. Sad seeing cost saving at all costs. Many graphics cards use 3x 8-pin. Even the newest Radeon cards from AMD. And newer motherboards use an extra 8 pin as well. And ther you go. A huge nope from me.

Sharkoon Rebel P20 1200W ATX v3.1 power supply test: Yes, it can be cheapo and good

Only a single 4-pin Molex connector is provided

 

[win32asmguy]

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

Is there an absolute need for +25 hours battery runtime for your work/gaming with portable laptops at the expense of better performance and let's say 12 hours before the need for charging? Then why not just buy an tablet instead if you are in need for really good battery runtime as +24 hours a day? No one run their lapjoke's 24/7/365 on battery for work or fun. For that you need an desktop or just plug it in the AC. They need to bring back performance. Not this, as you saw in my previous post.

 

Its just an example of poor effort from marketing and project managers. These people want to make something that impresses reviewers/influencers, not necessary solve a problem. More battery life and less performance is also less risk as far as their warranty is concerned. No chip is even going to come close to premature failure if clocked low. I have also noticed that many systems throttle the CPU or GPU if the battery is fast charging, without any type of user preference override. Some also draw power from the battery even when on AC with heavy combined loads, which can quickly reduce battery life span if you are using the system within its supposedly designed limits.

[ryan]

yeah my point is I dont use it.. I don't know of any use case where you need the zenbooks 22 hour battery life. wasted money. I want to sell my laptops. going to just have to give them up on ebay. like if I get 2000 id likely just save for next gen but the point is laptops really dont have a place anymore like they are bulky for a portable device. I have never went to a coffee shop and whipped out a laptop to gather elder berries in witcher 3. I bought a tablet and use that for a portable device it has a purpose. id be happy with a desktop/cell/tablet...

 

I used to work on the road and took my laptop to each hotel everytime we did a site move. it was nice whipping out laptop, cracking a beer and playing gta IV or surfing the web. it was plugged in. what these things need is is MXM again and to be thicker for better cooling. if I was on the road a laptop is perfect, but like I say it was plugged in. as for taking a tablet with that job, def not. if you work on the road laptops are a must but alot of these people are claiming they need battery life for the bus and around the house. what you need a laptop while showering or cooking, you don't have power in your place but you have internet. it really makes no sense. i bought it out of habit and for couch. i could care less about battery life now as long as it lasts a few hours.

[Mr. Fox]

On 9/17/2024 at 8:26 AM, Mr. Fox said:

I am sure I can sell the Dark Base Pro 901 locally for enough to cover the cost of the C8.

Sold the Dark Base Pro 901 within like 2 days on Facepoot Marketplace for more than enough to cover the C8 purchase. An Intel Engineer from their Phoenix campus bought it for a Xeon E-ATX build. He has worked for Intel for 20 years and will be cut from staff soon with the reduction in workforce. Nice guy. He said while he is kind of bummed out, he is getting a decent severance package so it's not as painful as it could have been. He was impressed with my three desktops, especially the chiller and 5-gallon reservoir.

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sold the Dark Base Pro 901 within like 2 days on Facepoot Marketplace for more than enough to cover the C8 purchase. An Intel Engineer from their Phoenix campus bought it for a Xeon E-ATX build. He has worked for Intel for 20 years and will be cut from staff soon with the reduction in workforce. Nice guy. He said while he is kind of bummed out, he is getting a decent severance package so it's not as painful as it could have been. He was impressed with my three desktops, especially the chiller and 5-gallon reservoir.

I’m not sure what I’m going to do when I move in to the new house, but I’ve been contemplating building inside of a ATX case. Or maybe I will get a long office table against the wall, so I can place the chiller, tank, test bench all in a row so it looks somewhat neat. 

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I’m not sure what I’m going to do when I move in to the new house, but I’ve been contemplating building inside of a ATX case. Or maybe I will get a long office table against the wall, so I can place the chiller, tank, test bench all in a row so it looks somewhat neat. 

I have two of these. I think this would work for you. Put the chiller on the bottom and computer on top, the put the reservoir on the desk. That's how I did it on the one system. The other has the computer on the bottom and the radiator and pumps on top. You want  the heavier assembly on the bottom.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09SCYSFP9?th=1

 

The one without the chiller is "portable" (everything on the cart) so I can use it anywhere around the house. Like in the living room connected to the TV when I have been in my dungeon for too many hours. Then I can wheel it back into the office when I am done.

 

 

 

[Papusan]

On 9/22/2024 at 10:38 AM, Papusan said:

 

Exactly what to expect from new modern processors. Good power efficiency and better iGPU. All what counts for the modern computer user nowadays🤢🤮🤢

 

Intel Lunar Lake CPU benchmarks reveal good power efficiency and GPU performance — Core Ultra 7 268V results show regressions in multi-core performance

 

On 9/22/2024 at 5:44 PM, Papusan said:

 

Is there an absolute need for +25 hours battery runtime for your work/gaming with portable laptops at the expense of better performance and let's say 12 hours before the need for charging? Then why not just buy an tablet instead if you are in need for really good battery runtime as +24 hours a day? No one run their lapjoke's 24/7/365 on battery for work or fun. For that you need an desktop or just plug it in the AC. They need to bring back performance. Not this, as you saw in my previous post.

 

The more I see from this tragedy, the more I vomit. Maybe it's not good for my health, continue follow the new modern tech?🤔

 

Tested: Intel’s Lunar Lake wants you to forget Qualcomm laptops exist

Great battery life, mediocre performance, surprisingly decent gaming: That's Intel's Lunar Lake chip.

 

We think it’s important that you know the maximum performance potential of these laptop processors as well as how much performance is lost to keep your laptop up and running when unplugged.

 

But you’ll also note that Intel’s older Meteor Lake (the 155H) outperforms its latest chip. What this tells me is that Intel is prioritizing battery life, not performance.

Conclusion: Which laptop chip is better?

Intel’s first Core Ultra, Meteor Lake, downplayed performance for long battery life; Lunar Lake takes that to the next level.

 

This is next level of pure TRASH! 

 

Intel best where it matters nowadays for modern pc users. Maximum power efficiency at the cost of better performance. Why not just buy an thin cute and shiny Apple-Jokebook? Or just use your smartphone/tablet.