*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Talon]

2 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Very true on 12th and 13th. If you don't have a halfway decent IMC, you can be limited to as low as 3200-3333 easily on DDR4 (just ask my 12400F lol), but on DDR5 testing, it topped out right below a couple 12900k's I tested that capped out around 6600-6800.

 

I don't have any non K 14th gen so I didn't know that unleashed VCCSA. Good to know.

 

Unless they changed the rev, the Asrock Z690 RS mATX boards can bclk like a champ.

 

 

 

 

 

Wow I had no idea that board could BCLK OC! They don't advertise the hyperblck engine on that board. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Very true on 12th and 13th. If you don't have a halfway decent IMC, you can be limited to as low as 3200-3333 easily on DDR4 (just ask my 12400F lol), but on DDR5 testing, it topped out right below a couple 12900k's I tested that capped out around 6600-6800.

 

I don't have any non K 14th gen so I didn't know that unleashed VCCSA. Good to know.

 

Unless they changed the rev, the Asrock Z690 RS mATX boards can bclk like a champ.

 

 

 

 

I played around with that Celeron once for a few minutes on the Z690 Dark and it easily ran DDR5-6000. I didn't spend a lot of time messing with it to see how far it could go, but that required no effort at all. I just applied one of the built-in memory overclock profiles and it was totally stable.

  

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

Wow I had no idea that board could BCLK OC! They don't advertise the hyperblck engine on that board. 

I think ASRock can sometimes be their own worst enemy in terms of marketing. Or, the lack thereof is probably more accurate. In that respect they are similar to how EVGA was. Seemed like their philosophy was "people that know our stuff is awesome will buy it and we don't care about those that do not know" LOL. The exact opposite of ASUS's "people think our stuff is awesome, even when it isn't, and we love screwing them with high prices because they think that."

[Talon]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I played around with that Celeron once for a few minutes on the Z690 Dark and it easily ran DDR5-6000. I didn't spend a lot of time messing with it to see how far it could go, but that required no effort at all. I just applied one of the built-in memory overclock profiles and it was totally stable.

  

I think ASRock can sometimes be their own worst enemy in terms of marketing. Or, the lack thereof is probably more accurate. In that respect they are similar to how EVGA was. Seemed like their philosophy was "people that know our stuff is awesome will buy it and we don't care about those that do not know" LOL. The exact opposite of ASUS's "people think our stuff is awesome, even when it isn't, and we love screwing them with high prices because they think that."

 

My only issue with Asrock boards is the lack of features in the BIOS. EVGA was the same way, but I found most of EVGAs menu to have exactly what you needed at the same time. Also they leave their BIOS unlocked and you can easily modify and unhide all menus in literally minutes using online tools. 

 

But I still think I'm going to go Asrock Taichi OC Formula if I pick up a Z890. The OCF boards are usually always great and if they can manage godlike DDR5 OC like they have with the Z790i Lightning at a reasonable price they'll have a winner. Asus is just getting too expensive for what they have. Will see on launch day or as it gets closer to launch. Maybe Asus will have some killer new feature with the Apex that I want. 

[Reciever]

So payroll screwed up and I didn't get paid, had to sell my 3090 to keep the house running. That week was rolled over and treated as OT. 

 

Now I'm eyeballing the red devil 7900 xtx. Any reason I should avoid? 

[Raiderman]

50 minutes ago, Reciever said:

So payroll screwed up and I didn't get paid, had to sell my 3090 to keep the house running. That week was rolled over and treated as OT. 

 

Now I'm eyeballing the red devil 7900 xtx. Any reason I should avoid? 

I've never been a Powercolor fan, but I've heard good things about their red devil line. 🤷‍♂️

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

So payroll screwed up and I didn't get paid, had to sell my 3090 to keep the house running. That week was rolled over and treated as OT. 

 

Now I'm eyeballing the red devil 7900 xtx. Any reason I should avoid? 

 

Yikes, well incoming 7900XTX.

 

I've owned and used the XFX 7900XTX, MSI 7900XTX and currently the Powercolor Hellhound (RAWR!) White 7900XTX.

 

I've found they're all about the same and in terms of coil whine in the order presented from worst to best. First two 3x8 pin, Hellhound is a 2x8 pin model.

 

Red Devil is one of the better designed PCBs along with Sapphire and top dog (again) is the Asrock Taichi.

 

With RT off, 7900XTX is a pretty beastly card in 4080/4080 Super land and depending on games can nip at the heels of the 4090. RT on and it has problems competing with even the 3080 sometimes.

 

If you're not an RT fan, it is a really good card overall. Hopefully you found a good price on it.

 

 

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Wow I had no idea that board could BCLK OC! They don't advertise the hyperblck engine on that board. 

 

My bad lol. I double checked my notes. I mixed up Asrock B660M RS with the Asrock B660M Riptide I had for a bit then gave to my niece + 12100F . My Nephew got the B660M RS + 12100F and my Daughter had the Prime B660 + 12400F before upgrading her to the Prime B650 + 7600X.

 

4 hours ago, Talon said:

 

My only issue with Asrock boards is the lack of features in the BIOS. EVGA was the same way, but I found most of EVGAs menu to have exactly what you needed at the same time. Also they leave their BIOS unlocked and you can easily modify and unhide all menus in literally minutes using online tools. 

 

But I still think I'm going to go Asrock Taichi OC Formula if I pick up a Z890. The OCF boards are usually always great and if they can manage godlike DDR5 OC like they have with the Z790i Lightning at a reasonable price they'll have a winner. Asus is just getting too expensive for what they have. Will see on launch day or as it gets closer to launch. Maybe Asus will have some killer new feature with the Apex that I want. 

 

It's quirky, but it does get you most of the functionality you will need to get the job done. Z790i Lightning is an absolute steal for its capabilities and memory OC. It also has the best VRMs for iTX boards.

[Mr. Fox]

11 hours ago, Talon said:

 

My only issue with Asrock boards is the lack of features in the BIOS. EVGA was the same way, but I found most of EVGAs menu to have exactly what you needed at the same time. Also they leave their BIOS unlocked and you can easily modify and unhide all menus in literally minutes using online tools. 

 

But I still think I'm going to go Asrock Taichi OC Formula if I pick up a Z890. The OCF boards are usually always great and if they can manage godlike DDR5 OC like they have with the Z790i Lightning at a reasonable price they'll have a winner. Asus is just getting too expensive for what they have. Will see on launch day or as it gets closer to launch. Maybe Asus will have some killer new feature with the Apex that I want. 

Well, for $112 hard to beat at that price. DDR5-6400 is where it maxes out with my old Trident Z5 7200 32GB kit. Maybe tomorrow I will see if I can eek out a bit more with my spare Trident Z5 8000 48GB kit. I doubt it since it is 4-DIMM. But, this was about my max DDR5 overclock with the 2-DIMM Unify-X so overall it's fine for a test bench. It's actually a fairly nice motherboard except for the extra memory slots bringing it down to gamerboy level. Build quality is mediocre in typical ASRock style. Things like the plastic rear I/O shroud is just cheapskate stuff. But, the VRM heatsink keeps the 17 phases cool enough.

 

The only thing that I am a bit miffed about is the "open box" included nothing except for two SATA cables and antennas for the WiFi that I don't use. The GPU support bracket (which I really wanted) and M.2 standoffs were missing and it was in a plain white box with extra space and no foam padding. No VRM fan and bracket. Luckily nothing was broken with it sliding around in the box. Weird because I am pretty sure it was brand new. Still had all of the plastic peel and nothing looked used in any way. M.2 thermal pads were the original without the film peeled off as well.

 

Now I am going to test the couple of dead CPUs sitting on my shelf and confirm they are still dead. I am using my worst 13900KS in it right now. After what I went through with the Encore RMA where they did nothing and sent it back, maybe I will get lucky and one of them is mysteriously alive again.

 

The BIOS is taking some getting used to. It's not terrible, but I agree that the BIOS is not as good as EVGA or ASUS. I think I like it better than MSI firmware though. The menu layout is more logical to me. I wish all of the manufacturers would stop using different terminology for settings and stick to a common naming convention. It is annoying when every brand calls things by different names.

 

 

The EK CR360 Dark is doing a decent job of cooling it with the IHS and Kyrosnot Extreme. Better than I expected. It is delidded with liquid metal under the IHS, but still. 

[Raiderman]

Installed the 9950X this morning, quick CB23 run, (not optimized).

I'd say that's a pretty big uplift from the 39,700 score I had with the 7950X.

Latest MSI bios.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Installed the 9950X this morning, quick CB23 run, (not optimized).

I'd say that's a pretty big uplift from the 39,700 score I had with the 7950X.

Latest MSI bios.

Congratulations on the upgrade. ♥️

 

Yeah that is a massive performance increase... aren't you glad you don't believe most of the lies you hear on YouTube from the mainstream tech-tarded dumb-dumbs called influencers and reviewers? People that know little or nothing about performance tuning should not be reviewing anything that falls into the performance enthusiast bucket. They are unqualified and incompetent. They should not worry about what the sheeple have the skill to do. If the sheeple are stupid that has nothing to do with the product. People that can't tune should stick to trash like turdbooks and tablets. People that know how to tune don't buy enthusiast products and run them with BIOS defaults. Only the ignorant people do that.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Installed the 9950X this morning, quick CB23 run, (not optimized).

I'd say that's a pretty big uplift from the 39,700 score I had with the 7950X.

Latest MSI bios.

 

Very nice bro! Definitely looking forward to the 9950X3D. 🙂

 

Looking forward to the IMC/PBO love (along with a static OC comparison is always nice)

[Raiderman]

32 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Congratulations on the upgrade. ♥️

 

Yeah that is a massive performance increase... aren't you glad you don't believe most of the lies you hear on YouTube from the mainstream tech-tarded dumb-dumbs called influencers and reviewers? People that know little or nothing about performance tuning should not be reviewing anything that falls into the performance enthusiast bucket. They are unqualified and incompetent. They should not worry about what the sheeple have the skill to do. If the sheeple are stupid that has nothing to do with the product. People that can't tune should stick to trash like turdbooks and tablets. People that know how to tune don't buy enthusiast products and run them with BIOS defaults. Only the ignorant people do that.

 

23 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Very nice bro! Definitely looking forward to the 9950X3D. 🙂

 

Looking forward to the IMC/PBO love (along with a static OC comparison is always nice)

I checked Default memory settings at 8000mhz before I walked out of the room, and they are some unholy large numbers. I just glanced real quick, and it said something like 63-68-68.... blah blah. 🤣 Definitely not tuned yet!

[Mr. Fox]

6 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

 

I checked Default memory settings at 8000mhz before I walked out of the room, and they are some unholy large numbers. I just glanced real quick, and it said something like 63-68-68.... blah blah. 🤣 Definitely not tuned yet!

Yeah, I bet the default memory timings have horrid latency. When I was trying to find the max overclock on this low budget 4-DIMM Asrock build I dropped in a cheap Crucial DDR5 Pro kit that I got for free to use in brand-focused photos in a Crucial NVMe review and the XMP and Expo profiles are beyond pathetic. And the performance (or lack thereof) using them is laughable. HORRIBLE in fact. Like over 65ns latency and barely better than DDR4 read, write and copy speeds. Using the "performance" profiles on modules like that is a waste of time. Just use default JEDEC and move on. Makes owning a DDR5 motherboard totally irrelevant.

[ryan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

YouTube from the mainstream tech-tarded dumb-dumbs called influencers and reviewers

why are you so kind to them? I watch the odd video and 99 percent of the time its garbage, they literally look at all the aspects of a system that doesn't matter,they basically talk about how flexible a tablet is as though you might want to play frisbee with your laptop or tablet, or how well it survives a 1000m drop or if its nuke proof. this is why im switching to desktop, dragging feet with linux and desktops but in the end ill be much happier with all the customisation and ability to upgrade, portability is semi important thats about it. im forced to just do basic tuning like flashing vbios/overclocking a flawed system and card and having to swallow the sheep crap because of absurd pricing and no real use for the added power. I dont mind being just average with computers, not everyone needs to tune a system to do anything really, many people are happy with cars to get to the store, others like gold plated helicopters to fly to the store. needs vs wants.

[tps3443]

16 hours ago, Reciever said:

So payroll screwed up and I didn't get paid, had to sell my 3090 to keep the house running. That week was rolled over and treated as OT. 

 

Now I'm eyeballing the red devil 7900 xtx. Any reason I should avoid? 

7900XTX is pretty dang good for rasterization performance honestly. I do like the Red Devil. Especially a Liquid Devil model 🤤 They are limited in VR gaming reliability, and RT performance. But if that doesn’t matter

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, for $112 hard to beat at that price. DDR5-6400 is where it maxes out with my old Trident Z5 7200 32GB kit. Maybe tomorrow I will see if I can eek out a bit more with my spare Trident Z5 8000 48GB kit. I doubt it since it is 4-DIMM. But, this was about my max DDR5 overclock with the 2-DIMM Unify-X so overall it's fine for a test bench. It's actually a fairly nice motherboard except for the extra memory slots bringing it down to gamerboy level. Build quality is mediocre in typical ASRock style. Things like the plastic rear I/O shroud is just cheapskate stuff. But, the VRM heatsink keeps the 17 phases cool enough.

 

The only thing that I am a bit miffed about is the "open box" included nothing except for two SATA cables and antennas for the WiFi that I don't use. The GPU support bracket (which I really wanted) and M.2 standoffs were missing and it was in a plain white box with extra space and no foam padding. No VRM fan and bracket. Luckily nothing was broken with it sliding around in the box. Weird because I am pretty sure it was brand new. Still had all of the plastic peel and nothing looked used in any way. M.2 thermal pads were the original without the film peeled off as well.

 

Now I am going to test the couple of dead CPUs sitting on my shelf and confirm they are still dead. I am using my worst 13900KS in it right now. After what I went through with the Encore RMA where they did nothing and sent it back, maybe I will get lucky and one of them is mysteriously alive again.

 

The BIOS is taking some getting used to. It's not terrible, but I agree that the BIOS is not as good as EVGA or ASUS. I think I like it better than MSI firmware though. The menu layout is more logical to me. I wish all of the manufacturers would stop using different terminology for settings and stick to a common naming convention. It is annoying when every brand calls things by different names.

 

 

The EK CR360 Dark is doing a decent job of cooling it with the IHS and Kyrosnot Extreme. Better than I expected. It is delidded with liquid metal under the IHS, but still

That looks pretty nice! I think I’m ready for a normal case build. I’ve been on years of test bench now, and chilled water daily, a loud and open build all the time. So I think I’m going to give all of that a rest. Use a normal rad in a normal case, and build a more simple setup. If I hate it, I’ll go back to extreme mode lol. 

[Mr. Fox]

16 hours ago, tps3443 said:

That looks pretty nice!

Thank you. I think is looks pretty good overall. I like it, but it would obviously be even better had they gone with a 2 DIMM design. Totally worth what I paid for it, but I can tell you it would have been an RMA had I paid the original MSRP. This is absolutely not even a little bit worth the original MSRP, which was a pretty massive rip-off. This is a $150 motherboard in terms of build quality, and no way it is worth $500 by any stretch of the imagination. They were nuts thinking smart people would pay that for it. The sad part is I think it is better than the Z690 Apex was. Even being 4 DIMM it performs as well or better than the Z690 Apex abortion.

16 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I think I’m ready for a normal case build. I’ve been on years of test bench now, and chilled water daily, a loud and open build all the time. So I think I’m going to give all of that a rest. Use a normal rad in a normal case, and build a more simple setup. If I hate it, I’ll go back to extreme mode lol. 

Or you can do both and leave the beast turned off except when you want to have fun with crazy overclocking. I am working on weaning myself of  hardware addiction and I think one of the only ways I will get there is by force. The semi-crappy Asrock build is a baby step in making myself do something I don't want to do, but I am tired of giving up large sums of money for awesome stuff that is only partially awesome and doesn't live up to the pricetag. If something is going to be kind of chintzy, then it needs to have a chintzy pricetag.

[electrosoft]

Reading up on 15th gen on various forums and I feel myself getting excited.....I know I said I was going to skip or have a protracted waiting period but I swear if @Talon drops some day 1 decent results I fear I'm going to pick a few of them up.....🤣

 

I sense me dumping all my 12th-13th gen chips, keeping my lone SP109 14900KS (and cool hand 12900K in the NH55), plopping that 14900KS in the wife's system with the lightning Z790i board, selling off all my Z690/Z790 boards, dumping the last of my DDR4 and boareds and starting fresh with 15th gen and AM5 only. 🙂

 

I gotta kick this addiction....

 

 

[Reciever]

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I've never been a Powercolor fan, but I've heard good things about their red devil line. 🤷‍♂️

 

The only card I have used from them is the Red Devil 5700 XT and it was a great card. I was saddened to let it go. I replaced the fans on my Taichi 5700 XT with 3x 92mmx45mm fans and still cant get it as cool as a stock Red Devil. Even with max fan speed (basically a friggin jet in terms of noise).

 

51 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yikes, well incoming 7900XTX.

 

I've owned and used the XFX 7900XTX, MSI 7900XTX and currently the Powercolor Hellhound (RAWR!) White 7900XTX.

 

I've found they're all about the same and in terms of coil whine in the order presented from worst to best. First two 3x8 pin, Hellhound is a 2x8 pin model.

 

Red Devil is one of the better designed PCBs along with Sapphire and top dog (again) is the Asrock Taichi.

 

With RT off, 7900XTX is a pretty beastly card in 4080/4080 Super land and depending on games can nip at the heels of the 4090. RT on and it has problems competing with even the 3080 sometimes.

 

If you're not an RT fan, it is a really good card overall. Hopefully you found a good price on it.

 

 

 

Thanks for the info, I was also debating the Sapphire as well but I do have some bias from a well received red devil 5700 XT. Yeah RT isnt something I care about, had it with the 3090 and never used it outside of perhaps 1-2 times for CP2077. I guess I missed out on Microcenter selling the Red Devil 7900 XTX for 800 a couple of months ago, that leaves Amazon for 1K.

 

Im sure I have plenty of other PC stuff I can sell off that I am not using to help offset the cost more than the free OT.

[Mr. Fox]

23 hours ago, Reciever said:

So payroll screwed up and I didn't get paid, had to sell my 3090 to keep the house running. That week was rolled over and treated as OT. 

Sorry that happened, brother.

[tps3443]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Reading up on 15th gen on various forums and I feel myself getting excited.....I know I said I was going to skip or have a protracted waiting period but I swear if @Talon drops some day 1 decent results I fear I'm going to pick a few of them up.....🤣

 

I sense me dumping all my 12th-13th gen chips, keeping my lone SP109 14900KS (and cool hand 12900K in the NH55), plopping that 14900KS in the wife's system with the lightning Z790i board, selling off all my Z690/Z790 boards, dumping the last of my DDR4 and boareds and starting fresh with 15th gen and AM5 only. 🙂

 

I gotta kick this addiction....

 

 

I want to go for it, but it really is an expensive addiction. (This is my thought process lately) First comes the motherboards. Am I going to be lucky enough to buy 1 motherboard and be done? Maybe or probably 🤞 Then the CPU’s, am I binning this go around or are we buying two or just one or three lol? lol. Last but not least, we got to get some fresh new rams for the fresh new platform! Oh but wait, “Newer new rams will also be out every in 2-3 months to replace these already new rams” so don’t spend too much money on the first set. 🫠

 

^ With all of that being said and me being so damn obsessed, am I ready to do all that again, just for a refresh platform to launch in 12 months from now 😤

 

SIGN ME UP!!! Kidding lol. I honestly might skip and just run my 14900KS.

 

 I am however really really looking forward to the RTX5090, and I plan to buy a nice 5090.  
 

Intel 285K is nice I’m sure, but these initial performance results look weak though right? It’s just “NEW” and that’s what we’re paying for it feels like. I wish I could see some more concrete info on its performance. 

 

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sorry that happened, brother.

It happens, whats more annoying is my bank declining the purchase. I guess I will wait until next week or something. Been pulling near 70 hour weeks since I entered the new position. Maybe I'll look at something else to purchase, been meaning to get a CCNA lab going.

 

Really hate Banks.

[tps3443]

Hey Intel, 285K! My name is Intel too. But what are you doing down here with me? 😁

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I want to go for it, but it really is an expensive addiction. (This is my thought process lately) First comes the motherboards. Am I going to be lucky enough to buy 1 motherboard and be done? Maybe or probably 🤞 Then the CPU’s, am I binning this go around or are we buying two or just one or three lol? lol. Last but not least, we got to get some fresh new rams for the fresh new platform! Oh but wait, “Newer new rams will also be out every in 2-3 months to replace these already new rams” so don’t spend too much money on the first set. 🫠

 

^ With all of that being said and me being so damn obsessed, am I ready to do all that again, just for a refresh platform to launch in 12 months from now 😤

 

SIGN ME UP!!! Kidding lol. I honestly might skip and just run my 14900KS.

 

 I am however really really looking forward to the RTX5090, and I plan to buy a nice 5090.  
 

Intel 285K is nice I’m sure, but these initial performance results look weak though right? It’s just “NEW” and that’s what we’re paying for it feels like. I wish I could see some more concrete info on its performance. 

 

 

I'll wait all that early data to get a gauge of what we can expect. If it's close, I'll wait. if it presents some serious gaming and IPC uplift (in that order), I'm probably going to pick a few up and give it some runs. The early data isn't blowing me away, but once in hand we'll get an idea.

 

I'm seriously on the fence with the 5090. Realizing just about all my bottlenecks at 4k in WoW and FO76 are all CPU bound issues with the 4090. 5090 would give me some nice overall uplift, but the gap would widen even more. This is the first time I've encountered this problem in forever.

 

It doesn't help my incentive to upgrade when the 4090 I have has basically no coil whine till 144fps+ and then it is very quiet. It takes 300fps+ to really get it to even meaningfully wake up. It doesn't heat up my room like my 3090ti did either and clocks like a monster. 600w 5090 stock already is giving me flashbacks of my 3090ti turning my computer room into a sauna already.

 

On the other hand, based on reports the last few days, it is going to be an absolute wrecking ball.....so there's that to consider too. 🙂 CPU utilization would go down even more but overall performance would jump nicely.

 

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Intel 285K is nice I’m sure, but these initial performance results look weak though right? It’s just “NEW” and that’s what we’re paying for it feels like. I wish I could see some more concrete info on its performance. 

It's a downgrade. It's missing 8 cores/threads. Even E-cores add to multi-threaded performance. You'd have to overclock it to the moon to get the same results with 8 missing cores. No point in buying new tech that is a downgrade if your goal is an upgrade. Not much different than gamerboys buying a newer GPU and calling it an upgrade when the new GPU has less VRAM and a smaller bus width. Newer is always better newer, but it isn't always an upgrade. The fact that it is not sucks. One step forward, two steps backward. Unless they release a CPU with 16 hyperthreaded P-cores or 32 non-hypterthreaded P-cores there is nothing to see here. If it is $150 cheaper than 14900KS then it might be worth considering for a new standalone build, but not an upgrade/replacement build.

[Raiderman]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's a downgrade. It's missing 8 cores/threads. Even E-cores add to multi-threaded performance. You'd have to overclock it to the moon to get the same results with 8 missing cores. No point in buying new tech that is a downgrade if your goal is an upgrade. Not much different than gamerboys buying a newer GPU and calling it an upgrade when the new GPU has less VRAM and a smaller bus width. Newer is always better newer, but it isn't always an upgrade. The fact that it is not sucks. One step forward, two steps backward. Unless they release a CPU with 16 hyperthreaded P-cores or 32 non-hypterthreaded P-cores there is nothing to see here. If it is $150 cheaper than 14900KS then it might be worth considering for a new standalone build, but not an upgrade/replacement build.

Agreed! I'm still unsure why they chose this path? It makes zero sense to me as to why they'd disable HT. Is their silicon unable to withstand the higher demand or are they punting like AMD has in the gpu market? Maybe for 1 year?