*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

You say this like it's a bad thing lol.......

 

 

 

Hehe. Was not meant as this... The babies perform well, but the P-cores and no HT is just sad. I would accept E-cores more if Intel had done a better job with the P-cores, continued offer HT and fixed the latency problems. 

 

 

I went back to the fence and rather wait for improvements. It may or may not come for Arrow Lake. We'll see when Intel finally open their eyes and see the sales going down the drain.

 

I have instead spent some money on new tools for the house. I bought an Black&Decker table saw (half price) and a diving gun. I'm not keen buy new expensive tech that probably performs worse than what I already have for my hobby. Yup, you'll get better Cinebench and mem bench results with the Core Ultra 9 285K, but this two benchmarks is just a couple of many. Both for 2D and 3D. If it perform worse in over half of the benchmarks... So why bother? 

 

Have already spent close to $20.000 USD this fall on different needed upgrades on Papusan's plaza before this winter. And we need new plissé curtains for the new windows and the gliding terrace doors. And in Norway that won't come for cheap. $500 for every single window plissé curtain and double up for the gliding doors. So I need to be sure I spend the money well for tech. Buy tech that won't be an good upgrade for me is bad spent money. 

 

 

Edit. It feels almost as Intel don't want sell their brand new processors and rather hope they can continue produce and sell Raptor Lake to make up better profits. Remember the TSMC Tile mess cost them more than produce yesterdays tech as Raptor Lake/Refresh in-house. They needed something new due the press hunting but prefer sell old and well proven.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

You say this like it's a bad thing lol.......

 

 

Better to get saved by the baby cores than left for dead, LOL. If there was a 15th Gen Core Ultra with 32 baby cores on a monolithic die and no tiled nonsense I would probably consider going that route. The P-cores look like they're garbage this go round.

37 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

House update! It’s almost DONE!!! Only one thing left is final inspection, and those steps are not mine, they have to build the real ones which are bigger. The steps on the home now are just temporary/portable wood steps.

 

Pics of Inside the home, I do not have a key yet lol. They’ll change the locks before they hand us new keys. 
 

The cabinets are all real hardwood throughout the entire home. 

 

upload pic

Beautiful new home, Brother T. Very happy for you and your family. I hope you build a lifetime of wonderful memories in it.

  

35 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Hehe. Was not meant as this... The babies perform well, but the P-cores and no HT is just sad. I would accept E-cores more if Intel had done a better job with the P-cores, continued offer HT and fixed the latency problems. 

 

 

I went back to the fence and rather wait for improvements. It may or may not come for Arrow Lake. We'll see when Intel finally open their eyes and see the sales going down thedrain.

 

I have instead spent some money on new tools for the house. I bought an Black&Decker table saw (half price) and a diving gun. I'm not keen buy new expensive tech that probably performs worse than what I already have for my hobby. Yup, you'll get better Cinebench and mem bench results with the Core Ultra 9 285K, but this two benchmarks is just a couple of many. Both for 2D and 3D. If it perform worse in over half of the benchmarks... Why bother? Have already spent close to $20.000 USD this fall on different needed upgrades on Papusan's plaza. And we need new plissé curtains for the new windows and gliding doors. And in Norway that won't come for cheap. $500 for every single window plissé curtain and double up for the gliding doors. So I need to be sure I spend the money well for tech. Buy tech that won't be an good upgrade for me is bad spent money. 

 

Papusan Plaza is looking nice! 

  

35 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The babies perform well, but the P-cores and no HT is just sad. I would accept E-cores more if Intel had done a better job with the P-cores, continued offer HT and fixed the latency problems. 

Maybe they will listen to all of the unhappy people and release a refresh with proper quality P-cores and bring back hyperthreading. If not they should go with 24 P-cores or 32 E-cores and stop doing a idiot cocktail of both. They are taking a TON of crap from very unhappy and angry customers and reviewers, so they can't claim ignorance. If they do not have a second generation CPU line that is just going to make the people that moved to Z890 more angry than they already are. The Z890 motherboard platform has a lot going for it, but the CPUs leave a lot to be desired.

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Better to get saved by the baby cores than left for dead, LOL. If there was a 15th Gen Core Ultra with 32 baby cores on a monolithic die and no tiled nonsense I would probably consider going that route. The P-cores look like they're garbage this go round.

Beautiful new home, Brother T. Very happy for you and your family. I hope you build a lifetime of wonderful memories in it.

  

Papusan Plaza is looking nice! 

  

Maybe they will listen to all of the unhappy people and release a refresh with proper quality P-cores and bring back hyperthreading. If not they should go with 24 P-cores or 32 E-cores and stop doing a idiot cocktail of both. They are taking a TON of crap from very unhappy and angry customers and reviewers, so they can't claim ignorance. If they do not have a second generation CPU line that is just going to make the people that moved to Z890 more angry than they already are. The Z890 motherboard platform has a lot going for it, but the CPUs leave a lot to be desired.

 

 

 

24 P-cores that oc 2 bin. Hmm, that is even worse than baby cores that can manage 4-8 bin overlock. The choice between pest and cholera. Nothing in between, LOOL

 

@tps3443your new home looks wonderful. The garden or garage if you haven't will be next. And you will never be finished with what you want or need. Thats life 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

32 minutes ago, Papusan said:

4 P-cores that oc 2 bin. Hmm, that is even worse than baby cores that can manage 4-8 bin overlock. The choice between pest and cholera. Nothing in between, LOOL

The 2 bin overclocking and limitations on the P-core for Arrow Lake, combined with the castration (no HT) make this release completely unacceptable and unforgiveable to me. Yes, 4-8 bin overclock of more E-cores is the lesser evil to me as well. But, my preference would be something that is actually awesome rather than a half-baked piece of crap like they have provided now. If we wanted half-baked crap there were already options available to settle for that before Arrow Lake.

 

And, I don't care what they want to call P-cores and E-cores as long as they perform up to my expectations and there are enough of them. If they do away with hyperthreading then they need to double or triple the core count of whatever they decide to use. Mixing the core types is idiotic and unnecessary. They should pick one and go with it... make it all it can be. It is like an oxymoron to call something "Performance Cores" and then not provide enough of them to actually perform.

 

It is kind of sadistic and hyperbolic to call something "Performance Cores" and then have them suck at overclocking and not provide enough of them to actually deliver meaningful performance.

[electrosoft]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Better to get saved by the baby cores than left for dead, LOL. If there was a 15th Gen Core Ultra with 32 baby cores on a monolithic die and no tiled nonsense I would probably consider going that route. The P-cores look like they're garbage this go round.

 

Yeah, I've officially decided to sit back and wait till Jan/Feb at the earliest if I decide to tinker with a 285k while a lot of the bugs/issues/problems are fleshed out. It will also let us clear the air for SP/bins as right now it looks like it is a reset of Alderlake SP ratings (giving newer chips on the same socket room to grow) and we're back to Sub 80s being bad and 90+ being good and probably ~96+ being golden. Prices will also come down a bit too.

 

Hmmm, in hindsight this is what I did with 13th and 14th. 🙂

 

It will also give Intel a chance to clean up APO a bit with some more updates. This also gives a big window for 9000X3D chips to flex and see what they bring along with potentially getting ready for the 5090 seeing as it would cost $1300+ to get a 285k+MB+proper mem and we have no idea how much the 5090  is going to be.

 

Final straw is this 14900KS is just running SO dang smooth @ 5.9 all core w/ APO on 24H2....I'm going to give the wife's system a clean 24H2 install and get APO up and running on her 12900k this week because she plays WoW even more hardcore than I do (crazy). She's been hooked since September of 2020 during the Pandemic and looking for a new game to play to pass the time....WELP....she found it! 🤣

 

One thing I see Jufes do is spin around real fast to cause the AMD chips to chunk. I could do that with my 7950X3D in certain areas that were asset and computationally heavy especially raids even only running the single X3D CCD. That is basically gone now with my setup.

 

 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

House update! It’s almost DONE!!! Only one thing left is final inspection, and those steps are not mine, they have to build the real ones which are going to be 5ftx5ft landing. The steps on the home now are just temporary/portable wood steps.

 

Pics of Inside the home, I do not have a key yet lol. They’ll change the locks before they hand us new keys. 
 

The cabinets are all real hardwood throughout the entire home. 

 

upload pic

 

BRO! That looks fantastic and I love the seclusion and location! Congrats 🙂

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Yeah, I've officially decided to sit back and wait till Jan/Feb at the earliest if I decide to tinker with a 285k while a lot of the bugs/issues/problems are fleshed out.

 

Something need to be fixed fast when you see something like this below... But how long will it take and will they be able to fix it within an reasonable time? And can everything be fixe or will this be Intel's Zen 1 moment and the fix will come with next gen chips? For Intel's sake, I hope it will be sooner rather than later. Because if not.... Their sales will be bad. Very bad.

 

The gaming results may, similarly, be an issue of optimization. It’s not every day we see a CPU up to 23% faster than the competition in one game and up to 21% slower in another. We expect to see some variation, but that’s quite swingy. 

 

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/intel-core-ultra-9-285k

[Mr. Fox]

47 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Something need to be fixed fast when you see something like this below... But how long will it take and will they be able to fix it within an reasonable time? And can everything be fixe or will this be Intel's Zen 1 moment and the fix will come with next gen chips? For Intel's sake, I hope it will be sooner rather than later. Because if not.... Their sales will be bad. Very bad.

 

The gaming results may, similarly, be an issue of optimization. It’s not every day we see a CPU up to 23% faster than the competition in one game and up to 21% slower in another. We expect to see some variation, but that’s quite swingy. 

 

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/intel-core-ultra-9-285k

It would be interesting to see what the gaming results would look like and if they would be more consistent if it is possible to disable P-cores in the BIOS and run only off of the 16 E-cores. @Talon will the BIOS let you disable all P-core and use only E-cores? If not, maybe try Process Lasson and associate only E-cores with a game executable and see how performance changes?

[jaybee83]

VERY curious to see how many here will finally cave and still go with the 285K in the end 😄 

 

meanwhile, more rumours of intel being bought / taken over, this time by Samsung or Apple, could u imagine that?!

[tps3443]

This is a seriously sweet deal on a (128GB) matched 8x16GB DDR4 3600 Samsung B-Die kit if anyone is in need. Only $199.99 OBO free shipping. Thats pretty much $50 bucks per 2x16GB of B-Die. Maybe cheaper if they accept an offer. They are A2 sticks as well 
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156442598214?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D275221%26meid%3Da347bedc83f74ff5aa1fd7740fce8dd1%26pid%3D102055%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dnone%26itm%3D156442598214%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D4375194%26algv%3DRecentlyViewedItemsMobileV2WithMLRPbooster_BP%26brand%3DCorsair&_trksid=p4375194.c102055.m146925&_trkparms=parentrq%3Acba690b91920a2a0bbf2fa7fffffe7ee|pageci%3A2e034c6b-9405-11ef-aafe-ba7fc58fe37c|iid%3A1|vlpname%3Avlp_homepage

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

meanwhile, more rumours of intel being bought / taken over, this time by Samsung or Apple, could u imagine that?!

No I cannot. Either one of those sucky companies would utterly ruin everything Intel stands for and then AMD would have no competition and become even more complacent. This would literally destroy the entire industry. I cannot identify any technology company that I loathe as much as I hate crApple. They're literally worse than poop splattered under the rim of a public toilet. Nobody would ever have anything nice again from Team Red or Team Blue. Even the thought of it is about as ridiculous as the elderly woman that lives next door to me buying Walmart or Amazon.

  

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

VERY curious to see how many here will finally cave and still go with the 285K in the end 😄 

I don't know. There isn't a whole lot there to be tempted by. Pretty disappointing. It seems like they did not even make an effort to do anything right. I do love the ASRock Z890 Taichi OC Formula, but that doesn't mean much if the best CPU you can buy to install in it is a disappointment. If there is a refresh for Arrow Lake and they correct some of their poor design decisions, at that point I might seriously consider it. The reduced core count and P-cores that can't handle more than a about  100-200MHz overclock is a non-starter. They need at least 32 threads or it is a downgrade. I'd even settle for the idea of 32 E-cores and no P-cores on a monolithic chip because it seems like Arrow Lake E-cores overclock beter than the P-cores do.

[Papusan]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

I have instead spent some money on new tools for the house. I bought an Black&Decker table saw (half price) and a diving gun. I'm not keen buy new expensive tech that probably performs worse than what I already have for my hobby. Yup, you'll get better Cinebench and mem bench results with the Core Ultra 9 285K, but this two benchmarks is just a couple of many others. Both for 2D and 3D. If it perform worse in over half of the benchmarks... So why bother? 

 

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

VERY curious to see how many here will finally cave and still go with the 285K in the end 😄 

 

meanwhile, more rumours of intel being bought / taken over, this time by Samsung or Apple, could u imagine that?!

 

See bolded text in my post above. See also how the new and shiny perform etc in 3DM Time Spy cpu test. Disgusting? Almost no-one have posted results from Core Ultra 9 285K on hwbot. Then ask yourself... Why is that. I mean I can't see a single 3D benchmark the new and shiny tiled mess from TSMC and Intel can come close to 13th and 14th gen Intel chips. 

 

See also how Intel destroyed own flagship chips.... Castrated P-cores.  Imagine how good Raptor Lake Refresh 2 would have been with same improved baby cores as the the new and shiny.

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

No I cannot. Either one of those sucky companies would utterly ruin everything Intel stands for and then AMD would have no competition and become even more complacent. This would literally destroy the entire industry. I cannot identify any technology company that I loathe as much as I hate crApple. They're literally worse than poop splattered under the rim of a public toilet. Nobody would ever have anything nice again from Team Red or Team Blue. Even the thought of it is about as ridiculous as the elderly woman that lives next door to me buying Walmart or Amazon.

  

I don't know. There isn't a whole lot there to be tempted by. Pretty disappointing. It seems like they did not even make an effort to do anything right. I do love the ASRock Z890 Taichi OC Formula, but that doesn't mean much if the best CPU you can buy to install in it is a disappointment. If there is a refresh for Arrow Lake and they correct some of their poor design decisions, at that point I might seriously consider it. The reduced core count and P-cores that can't handle more than a about  100-200MHz overclock is a non-starter. They need at least 32 threads or it is a downgrade. I'd even settle for the idea of 32 E-cores and no P-cores on a monolithic chip because it seems like Arrow Lake E-cores overclock beter than the P-cores do.

I see many people upgrading to Z890, the board selection is very nice this go around with more choices. But since enterprise parts like Xeon have embraced overclocking so nicely, my interest has changed from mainstream parts towards the enterprise parts.

[Mr. Fox]

On 10/26/2024 at 11:14 PM, tps3443 said:

I see many people upgrading to Z890, the board selection is very nice this go around with more choices. But since enterprise parts like Xeon have embraced overclocking so nicely, my interest has changed from mainstream parts towards the enterprise parts.

I'm not sure if it's actually a lot of people or if it's a small group of the same talking heads talking a lot more than they usually do.  I have seen numerous people comment that they've cancelled their pre-orders because the 285K is a downgrade. I have never seen this many disappointed and salty people emerge during an Intel product launch. And it is justified.

 

But the only way Intel is going to get the message from this is if they get punched in the nuts so hard they can't stand up straight for two weeks. These namby-pamby pathetic turdbook grade CPUs need to be rammed so far up their butt that surgical extraction is required.

 

One of the things I like about Intel fanboys is there is seldom any hesitation to bite the hand that feeds them. Being preferred doesn't exempt them from hate-fueled  wrath or ridicule from their biggest advocates.

[Papusan]

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I'm not sure if it's actually a lot of people or if it's a small group of the same talking heads talking a lot more than they usually do.  I have seen numerous people comment that they've cancelled their pre-orders because the 285K is a downgrade. I have never seen this many disappointed and salty people emerge during an Intel product launch. And it is justified.

 

Why the harsh complaints? Why so salty bro? Intel offer well above their promisses and expectations. Better performance and better power efficiency. Why ask for more. See for yourself... The performance uplift is quite substantial. Wccftech say it's an huge uplift over previous gen🤩 This looks like the ultimate chips for the gamers. Improved graphics performance baked into the Cpu is a big win for any gamer. And if people want better cpu's for office, web and browsing use... Why not wait for the Non K chips? They will even run more power efficient. You win even more. 

Intel’s Core Ultra 200S “Arrow Lake” iGPU With Just 4 Xe Cores Provides Huge Uplift Over Previous Gen, Up To GTX 1050 Ti Gaming Performance

Me.....

 

And as you can see... Intel continue improve the performance for Arrow lake. For nowadays gamers.

 

Intel's new GPU driver brings Core Ultra 200S and Call of Duty Black Ops 6 support

[Talon]

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It would be interesting to see what the gaming results would look like and if they would be more consistent if it is possible to disable P-cores in the BIOS and run only off of the 16 E-cores. @Talon will the BIOS let you disable all P-core and use only E-cores? If not, maybe try Process Lasson and associate only E-cores with a game executable and see how performance changes?

 

You cannot run on only E cores, check that day 1 lol. Of course I would have loved to do that testing because I love the odd tests. You can run 1P and as many E as you have. 

 

I will give Process Lasso another try, but it did not like when I began trying to force games on certain cores the other day. 

 

For now, even on my non-cleaned OS, standard 26100.2161 24H2, I've managed to somehow outscore all those with 285K with additional cores and higher clocks in TS CPU test. 

 

https://ibb.co/74yS623

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Why the harsh complaints? Why so salty bro? Intel offer well above their promisses and expectations. Better performance and better power efficiency. Why ask for more. See for yourself... The performance uplift is quite substantial. Wccftech say it's an huge uplift over previous gen🤩 This looks like the ultimate chips for the gamers. Improved graphics performance baked into the Cpu is a big win for any gamer. And if people want better cpu's for office, web and browsing use... Why not wait for the Non K chips? They will even run more power efficient. You win even more. 

Intel’s Core Ultra 200S “Arrow Lake” iGPU With Just 4 Xe Cores Provides Huge Uplift Over Previous Gen, Up To GTX 1050 Ti Gaming Performance

Me.....

 

And as you can see... Intel continue improve the performance for Arrow lake. For nowadays gamers.

 

Intel's new GPU driver brings Core Ultra 200S and Call of Duty Black Ops 6 support

I think I am good for now. Four very nicely binned Raptor Lake CPUs running like a Swiss watch. With the SA bug gone now the 14900KF SP106 in the Apex Encore CPU is functionally near identical to the wonderful 14900KS SP108 that I bought from @tps3443. Raptop Lake CPUs in the Z790i Edge (13900KS SP112) and Z790 Velocita (14900KF SP102) I am good to go for now. No need for a more efficient CPU crippled by no HT and a lower thread count.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

You cannot run on only E cores, check that day 1 lol. Of course I would have loved to do that testing because I love the odd tests. You can run 1P and as many E as you have. 

 

I will give Process Lasso another try, but it did not like when I began trying to force games on certain cores the other day. 

 

For now, even on my non-cleaned OS, standard 26100.2161 24H2, I've managed to somehow outscore all those with 285K with additional cores and higher clocks in TS CPU test. 

 

https://ibb.co/74yS623

 

 

 

Nice! Patiently waiting for you to get your mitts on a 285k bro! 🙂

 

Even delidding is now a more complicated process with the new tile/chiplet design for 285k:

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think I am good for now. Four very nicely binned Raptor Lake CPUs running like a Swiss watch. With the SA bug gone now the 14900KF SP106 in the Apex Encore CPU is functionally near identical to the wonderful 14900KS SP108 that I bought from @tps3443. Raptop Lake CPUs in the Z790i Edge (13900KS SP112) and Z790 Velocita (14900KF SP102) I am good to go for now. No need for a more efficient CPU crippled by no HT and a lower thread count.

Thats really awesome. Which motherboard is better in your experience? If one of these boards had to be destroyed in to small bits lol, which would it be?  😃

[Mr. Fox]

33 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Thats really awesome. Which motherboard is better in your experience? If one of these boards had to be destroyed in to small bits lol, which would it be?  😃

Wow, that would be a really hard decision. They both have their pros and cons. The black Apex Encore looks better by a lot and something about it seems better in ways difficult to pinpoint. That being said, I would keep the white Apex if for no reason other than I can use all of the NVMe slots without cutting the GPU back to x8 because there are no Gen5 M.2 slots. I really like being able to use the M.2 slot above the GPU and I cannot on the Encore because the idiots at ASUS made it Gen5.

[cylix]

What did intel think to release these CPUS in this state..looks like ES cpus..something is really wrong with the drivers or something..its slower in many games like as a 12th gen....

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, cylix said:

What did intel think to release these CPUS in this state..looks like ES cpus..something is really wrong with the drivers or something..its slower in many games like as a 12th gen....

 

 

I think one of the problems our industry is suffering from is unfortunately a problem with AMD, Intel and to some degree NVIDIA. None of the people making design and engineering decisions are true overclocking and performance enthusiasts and most are probably not avid gamers. NVIDIA is probably not as badly disconnected with the gamer community as Intel and AMD have proven to be, but they're all out of touch with overclocking enthusiasts.

They release things that have some redeeming qualities that general consumers might find useful. But "features" that overclockers, and probably most gamers, do not care about and find unimportant or even counter-productive as it relates to their passions. Then they label it as "for gaming" and insinuate it is suitable for overclocking endeavors when it isn't actually great at either thing. In the case of X3D, good for gaming, but not great for many other things and poor at overclocking. Now the tiled mess from Intel. This happens because the people that made it are clueless, out of touch or ignorant as it relates to overclocking and/or gaming. So, it uses less power... well, whoopty-doo. 

[tps3443]

I ordered another set of 128GB, 8x16GB G.Skill Ares Samsung Bdie 3200cl14-14-14-34. Same exact kit that I already have, I asked the seller if he could grab a kit that is sequential to my kits serial number, he showed like 12+ kits in-stock on Ebay so I figured maybe he has a sequential serial number to my kit, maybe a kit that counts up over mine, or before mine. Anyways then he said it was the last kit so I just ordered it, we will see what happens. This is going to be really cool though either way. I will have all 12x Dimm slots filled. 😬These platforms perform best with all twelve ram slots filled. Not really sure why that is, but okay! 😀

I am planning to water-cool all 12 sticks of ram next, and I am going to use these to accomplish this. They are old, but they will work! x6 ram water blocks are not very common. 

[Papusan]

10 hours ago, cylix said:

What did intel think to release these CPUS in this state..looks like ES cpus..something is really wrong with the drivers or something..its slower in many games like as a 12th gen....

 

 

 

Because they don't know how the Cpu arcitecture has to be. And all the delays (as in the old days) push Intel  to make unfinished processors.

 

https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2024/10/intel-panther-lake-imc-compute-tile-nova-lake-en-soc/

 

Then we have Microsoft that only care about ARM for their new and next gen Jokebooks. I have already said this before in older posts... They try fix power plan settings to make their own trash to perform correct for power savings/power efficiency. And forget power settings for Intel and AMD x86 chips.

 

Same with new Windows versions/updates? Here's some food for thoughts. Or just the normal Microsoft continue screw up?

There's something that smells bad.
Honestly, in several years of benches, tests and releases, this is the first time we've seen processor launches so disrupted. This is also why we decided to postpone our " gaming " tests on Arrow Lake. We're not pro-Intel, but there are far too many inconsistencies in the results we have. What's really going on between Microsoft and the other PC players? Right now, we don't know: but objectively, something is wrong.

Microsoft clearly has a hidden agenda from my point of view. Within this agenda, the arrival of a "home" ARM chip is undoubtedly a step. The hype on Qualcomm , but also some disruptions on the market in recent months are to be put into perspective with all this.

Is Microsoft trying to hamper AMD and INTEL in PCs?

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Because they don't know how the Cpu arcitecture has to be. And all the delays (as in the old days) push Intel  to make unfinished processors.

 

https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2024/10/intel-panther-lake-imc-compute-tile-nova-lake-en-soc/

 

Then we have Microsoft that only care about ARM for their new and next gen Jokebooks. I have already said this before in older posts... They try fix power plan settings to make their own trash to perform correct for power savings/power efficiency. And forget power settings for Intel and AMD x86 chips.

 

Same with new Windows versions/updates? Here's some food for thoughts. Or just the normal Microsoft continue screw up?

There's something that smells bad.
Honestly, in several years of benches, tests and releases, this is the first time we've seen processor launches so disrupted. This is also why we decided to postpone our " gaming " tests on Arrow Lake. We're not pro-Intel, but there are far too many inconsistencies in the results we have. What's really going on between Microsoft and the other PC players? Right now, we don't know: but objectively, something is wrong.

Microsoft clearly has a hidden agenda from my point of view. Within this agenda, the arrival of a "home" ARM chip is undoubtedly a step. The hype on Qualcomm , but also some disruptions on the market in recent months are to be put into perspective with all this.

Is Microsoft trying to hamper AMD and INTEL in PCs?

This does not seem too far fetched to me. Micro$lop wants to sell their scummy disposable e-waste Surface turdbooks with soldered RAM and smartphone CPUs in them. Why would they give a rat's butt if the newest AMD and Intel CPUs worked correctly?

 

The dumb-dumbs at Micro$lop do not care about Intel or AMD, and probably not NVIDIA. And, since most brand new computers run on a Winduhz 11 platform now by default (all prebuilts on top of what silly people elect to use for an OS) they essentially have no skin in the game and do not need to care if new processors function correctly as long as their cancer OS is the platform that gets chosen for it to run on. It is interesting the AMD was usually the brand hindered the most by sloppy OS coding and now that Intel has a glued-together mess they are having optimization problems, too. It also gives Micro$lop the power to decide what OS gets updates to make the new CPUs work right. If they do not want an AMD or Intel CPU to function correctly on anything other than their latest trashy OS they get to decide whether or not to provide an update for anything else. Better for them if the new tech is broken without their latest malware OS.