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[tps3443]

23 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Until the end of the $1 first month, or past that?

Something like that lol. Worth a try. Game pass as a TON of games though. So, it may be worth keeping it and paying the $15 per month or how much it cost. I cancelled mine and could not live without it, so I got it again a few months ago lol! So many games that are $60 dollar hits on Steam, are totally free on Xbox Game Pass.

This game Stalker 2 runs GREAT! My minimum FPS has been 99fps, running 4K maxed out, DLSS Quality+FG getting 99-117 fps cap. My RTX4090 GPU is NOT overclocked at all. Anything outside of the red arrows is minimizing the game and going back to desktop. Pretty good for a Day 1 release on a demanding title. 

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Something like that lol. Worth a try. Game pass as a TON of games though. So, it may be worth keeping it and paying the $15 per month or how much it cost. I cancelled mine and could not live without it, so I got it again a few months ago lol! So many games that are $60 dollar hits on Steam, are totally free on Xbox Game Pass.

This game Stalker 2 runs GREAT! My minimum FPS has been 99fps, running 4K maxed out, DLSS Quality+FG getting 99-117 fps cap. My RTX4090 GPU is NOT overclocked at all. Anything outside of the red arrows is minimizing the game and going back to desktop. Pretty good for a Day 1 release on a demanding title. 

I game so little that paying $15/month would be a waste of money. The $1 then cancel strategy would work for a lot of folks, but there would be more than a 50% chance that I wouldn't play any games during the introductory $1 month because I would be too busy doing other things. I also have to be in a certain mood for it. I typically play games on less than 30 days in an entire year. When I do it, I binge hard on it, then stop and don't play anything again for 60-90 days.

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Until the end of the $1 first month, or past that?

Stalker 2 is lots of fun so far. Playing on the hardest difficulty for realism and title longevity. 😃 It runs butter on a 4090, 4K@120HZ is perfect for it. Seriously surprised by that. Thank goodness for DLSS+FG. And thank goodness for a nice AAA title that incorporates those features on day 1. Some games do not lol. “Cough” “Cough” Starfield. “Cough” Cough” Ark Ascended. 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Grab a Xbox gamepass subscription for $1 dollar, then cancel it. You’ll be able to play if you have Gamepass. 

 

I just noticed Fallout 76 is now on Xbox Gamepass. I signed up for a year on Steam for $100 = ~8.50/mo but you can transfer over your character and items to Gamepass now from Steam (not achievements). If they add World of Warcraft (they already have Diablo IV now), I'd switch in a heartbeat and save ~$6/mo AND have access to the rest of their library.

 

 

[ssj92]

Corsair was having a black friday sale so I bought 

 

2x 480mm radiators

pump/res combo

fittings

hardline tubing

EK waterblock 

 

should be all coming tomorrow 

[Papusan]

From 8:28 - Intel don't know how to make good products anymore. 

 

[cylix]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I just noticed Fallout 76 is now on Xbox Gamepass. I signed up for a year on Steam for $100 = ~8.50/mo but you can transfer over your character and items to Gamepass now from Steam (not achievements). If they add World of Warcraft (they already have Diablo IV now), I'd switch in a heartbeat and save ~$6/mo AND have access to the rest of their library.

 

 

F76 on Gamepass is a buggy mess, I originally had it there and played but because of the bugs I bought it again on steam and also lost a month of 1st because you cannot transfer it to steam. On of the stupid bugs is related to the installation folder. If you install it in a new location, partition and not the default gamepass one when a new update comes it will not find the path and also it will just delete the whole game, you will need to install it again and again..it will just delete the whole game folder 🤣🤣. And there were more bugs. Stay away from it. Microsoft/Bethesda knows about it but they don't care..

[electrosoft]

34 minutes ago, cylix said:

F76 on Gamepass is a buggy mess, I originally had it there and played but because of the bugs I bought it again on steam and also lost a month of 1st because you cannot transfer it to steam. On of the stupid bugs is related to the installation folder. If you install it in a new location, partition and not the default gamepass one when a new update comes it will not find the path and also it will just delete the whole game, you will need to install it again and again..it will just delete the whole game folder 🤣🤣. And there were more bugs. Stay away from it. Microsoft/Bethesda knows about it but they don't care..

 

Whew, thanks for the heads up! I'll stick to Steam. It has pretty much been rock solid the last few years overall.

 

 

[Clamibot]

After some preliminary testing with Shadow Of The Tomb Raider in Windows 10 LTSC 2019 and WIndowsXLite 22H2, it looks like the CPU side performance is actually slightly higher on the 22H2 installation. I'm using the maximally tuned OOB install without Windows Defender. I can probably do a bit more tuning with it too. My LTSC install is also tuned with stupid security mitigations disabled, but it's probably not tuned as much as some of you guys have managed to do with your installs.

 

GPU side performance seems to be higher too, but I don't know by what amount as I was only testing CPU side performance. I need to get some concrete numbers, but this is looking really good so far. To be fair, the 22H2 installation is currently set up as a minimalist installation purely for game testing, so I need to install all my programs onto that Windows install and compare again as that could affect the results. It probably won't, but I need to cover all my bases.

 

If WindowsXLite 22H2 truly outperforms Windows 10 LTSC 2019, I will be happy. This will be the first time I've seen a version upgrade in Windows actually deliver a performance upgrade rather than a downgrade (other than upgrading from regular consumer editions to Windows 10 LTSC since I've seen this firsthand, and that jump in CPU side performance was significant). I'll then need to upgrade all my systems🤪

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Clamibot said:

After some preliminary testing with Shadow Of The Tomb Raider in Windows 10 LTSC 2019 and WIndowsXLite 22H2, it looks like the CPU side performance is actually slightly higher on the 22H2 installation. I'm using the maximally tuned OOB install without Windows Defender. I can probably do a bit more tuning with it too. My LTSC install is also tuned with stupid security mitigations disabled, but it's probably not tuned as much as some of you guys have managed to do with your installs.

 

GPU side performance seems to be higher too, but I don't know by what amount as I was only testing CPU side performance. I need to get some concrete numbers, but this is looking really good so far. To be fair, the 22H2 installation is currently set up as a minimalist installation purely for game testing, so I need to install all my programs onto that Windows install and compare again as that could affect the results. It probably won't, but I need to cover all my bases.

 

If WindowsXLite 22H2 truly outperforms Windows 10 LTSC 2019, I will be happy. This will be the first time I've seen a version upgrade in Windows actually deliver a performance upgrade rather than a downgrade (other than upgrading from regular consumer editions to Windows 10 LTSC since I've seen this firsthand, and that jump in CPU side performance was significant). I'll then need to upgrade all my systems🤪

I’m running 22H2 as well. My 3175X absolutely rips on this OS. I tried 24H2/22H3/22H2. Only thing I have not tried yet is Windows 10 on this system. It’s an older system with lower IPC. So I need every advantage I can get. I think 22H3 barely performs slower than 22H2. And it always reflects in my CPU physics scores, and GPU usage. 
 

(1) Fastest bios 

(2) Fastest micro code 

(3) Fastest OS

(4) Highest possible overclocks. 
(5) Good game optimization is always welcome 😃

[Clamibot]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I’m running 22H2 as well. My 3175X absolutely rips on this OS. I tried 24H2/22H3/22H2. Only thing I have not tried yet is Windows 10 on this system. It’s an older system with lower IPC. So I need every advantage I can get. I think 22H3 barely performs slower than 22H2. And it always reflects in my CPU physics scores, and GPU usage. 
 

(1) Fastest bios 

(2) Fastest micro code 

(3) Fastest OS

(4) Highest possible overclocks. 
(5) Good game optimization is always welcome 😃

 

Oh you're using Windows 11 builds? My WindowsXLite install is based on a Windows 10 Pro 22H2 build.

 

To add to that list you have:

(6) Disable unnecessary security mitigations like Spectre, Meltdown, Core Isolation/Memory Integrity (Virtualization Based Security), and Control Flow Guard

 

(7) Install DXVK Async into games that see an uplift from it

 

(8) Use Lossless Scaling (you get best results if your raw framerate is already 100 fps or higher with mouse and keyboard, or if on a controller, if your raw framerate is already 72 fps or higher). This software is absolutely amazing!

 

(9) Perform settings tuning in games. I find that some settings barely have a difference between low and ultra, especially in newer games.

 

(10) Disable anticheat and/or DRM if possible

[Mr. Fox]

The latency killer feature MSI added to the UEFI seems worthless to me. It seems to only offer value if a person is using an XMP/EXPO profile, which seldom ever produces impressive memory performance. This EXPO Trident Neo definitely works better (for some reason) than the equivalent XMP kit. Maybe the IC bin quality is better, or maybe the SPD firmware is different or AMD-specific JEDEC. But, I am not using the EXPO profile, only manual settings.

 

This would be so much easier and better with a 2-DIMM motherboard. It's so sad the only great option for that on AMD is getting screwed over paying new retail price for a used X670 Gene motherboard that might have something wrong with it.

I finally received the RAM jackets from China, so I will be pulling off the trash stock G.SKILL heatsinks heating blankets and getting this RAM under water like my Intel systems. The memory temperatures with the trash G.SKILL covers are just so lousy (actually cooler even naked, but ugly to look at).
 

I received the parts ordered from Thermal Grizzly, so maybe tonight or tomorrow I will decapitate the 9950X, test the TG heatspreader, then remove that and install the Mycro. I ordered a heatspreader to compare the thermal difference between that and bare die. Just for curiosity, in case I am ever asked I will know the answer.

[Talon]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The latency killer feature MSI added to the UEFI seems worthless to me. It seems to only offer value if a person is using an XMP/EXPO profile, which seldom ever produces impressive memory performance. This EXPO Trident Neo definitely works better (for some reason) than the equivalent XMP kit. Maybe the IC bin quality is better, or maybe the SPD firmware is different or AMD-specific JEDEC. But, I am not using the EXPO profile, only manual settings.

 

This would be so much easier and better with a 2-DIMM motherboard. It's so sad the only great option for that on AMD is getting screwed over paying new retail price used X670 Gene motherboard that might have something wrong with it.

I finally received the RAM jackets from China, so I will be pulling off the trash stock G.SKILL heatsinks heating blankets and getting this RAM under water like my Intel systems. The memory temperatures with the trash G.SKILL covers are just so lousy (actually cooler even naked, but ugly to look at).
 

I received the parts ordered from Thermal Grizzly, so maybe tonight or tomorrow I will decapitate the 9950X, test the TG heatspreader, then remove that and install the Mycro. I ordered a heatspreader to compare the thermal difference between that and bare die. Just for curiosity, in case I am ever asked I will know the answer.

 

That memory performance you've squeezed out of that kit and board look incredible. Nice job! 

[tps3443]

It arrived! My daughters new CPU. 10900K/sp106

 

This is the largest cpu box I have ever seen! ITS MASSIVE!!! Only 200 of these exist. Really great cpu+cooler combo for $275.00. 
 

I was originally going to build my daughter with the Z690 Hero+DDR5 which was donated. But the owner/gifter needed those things back, since his main system went down, so since I had a Z490 motherboard, and 64GB of fresh Samsung Bdie already. This makes perfect sense to set her up with a one of a kind 10900K.
 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The latency killer feature MSI added to the UEFI seems worthless to me. It seems to only offer value if a person is using an XMP/EXPO profile, which seldom ever produces impressive memory performance. This EXPO Trident Neo definitely works better (for some reason) than the equivalent XMP kit. Maybe the IC bin quality is better, or maybe the SPD firmware is different or AMD-specific JEDEC. But, I am not using the EXPO profile, only manual settings.

 

This would be so much easier and better with a 2-DIMM motherboard. It's so sad the only great option for that on AMD is getting screwed over paying new retail price used X670 Gene motherboard that might have something wrong with it.

I finally received the RAM jackets from China, so I will be pulling off the trash stock G.SKILL heatsinks heating blankets and getting this RAM under water like my Intel systems. The memory temperatures with the trash G.SKILL covers are just so lousy (actually cooler even naked, but ugly to look at).
 

I received the parts ordered from Thermal Grizzly, so maybe tonight or tomorrow I will decapitate the 9950X, test the TG heatspreader, then remove that and install the Mycro. I ordered a heatspreader to compare the thermal difference between that and bare die. Just for curiosity, in case I am ever asked I will know the answer.

 

Excellent work @Mr. Fox! I'm so glad you're having a much better time than the 5950x debacle. I found the 7800X3D and 7950X3D on the MSI x670e Carbon to be a much better experience than the 5800x on the MSI x570e Tomahawk in every way. Can't wait to see the memory properly cooled and where it takes you along with the 9950x on DD water....good times incoming!

 

 

18 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

It arrived! My daughters new CPU. 10900K/sp106

 

This is the largest cpu box I have ever seen! ITS MASSIVE!!! Only 200 of these exist. Really great cpu+cooler combo for $275.00. 
 

I was originally going to build my daughter with the Z690 Hero+DDR5 which was donated. But the owner/gifter needed those things back, so I decided since I have Z490 motherboard, and 64GB of fresh Samsung Bdie. This makes perfect sense to set her up with a one of a kind 10900K.
 

 

Nice! I really enjoyed my 10900k binning days. A solid year of snagging CPUs and testing them on desktop and laptop use. In hindsight, I think I ended up binning ~15 10900k's over that time and the LTX and SL samples were the cream of the crop followed by ironically an SP63 that was a beast too.

 

My first lesson that SP is not everything but valid as the SL SP101 whomped an SP110 and an SP113 10900k I tested for X170SM usage.

 

I was tempted to pick another one up, but I would be re-inventing the wheel so now I'll sit back and watch you and @win32asmguy post results to enjoy.

 

Looking forward to the build out and pics!

 

 

[tps3443]

15 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Excellent work @Mr. Fox! I'm so glad you're having a much better time than the 5950x debacle. I found the 7800X3D and 7950X3D on the MSI x670e Carbon to be a much better experience than the 5800x on the MSI x570e Tomahawk in every way. Can't wait to see the memory properly cooled and where it takes you along with the 9950x on DD water....good times incoming!

 

 

 

Nice! I really enjoyed my 10900k binning days. A solid year of snagging CPUs and testing them on desktop and laptop use. In hindsight, I think I ended up binning ~15 10900k's over that time and the LTX and SL samples were the cream of the crop followed by ironically an SP63 that was a beast too.

 

My first lesson that SP is not everything but valid as the SL SP101 whomped an SP110 and an SP113 10900k I tested for X170SM usage.

 

I was tempted to pick another one up, but I would be re-inventing the wheel so now I'll sit back and watch you and @win32asmguy post results to enjoy.

 

Looking forward to the build out and pics!

 

 

I might have to throw this on my extreme bench for a quick spin. 😎

 

You’re right about SP’s. You’d have to have them all delidded side by side for comparable testing. I was actually gonna buy one from another guy it was just an SP101. But looked pretty good. 

[electrosoft]

9800X3D arrived early from da Egg Ontario. Busy weekend so I'll see if I can find some playtime. 🙂

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

 

That memory performance you've squeezed out of that kit and board look incredible. Nice job! 

Thank you. I had to unlearn some things because it is so different than Intel. I found some of what I knew was worthless and didn't apply. I was having trouble with AIDA64 Cache and Memory Benchmark causing restarts and hard lock-up, even though it would pass TM5 and Memtest Pro. I had to goose the DIMM voltage from 1.450V to 1.500V to get that to stop happening..

[Clamibot]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

It arrived! My daughters new CPU. 10900K/sp106

 

This is the largest cpu box I have ever seen! ITS MASSIVE!!! Only 200 of these exist. 
 

 

I've had a lot of fun with the ML360 Sub-Zero. That's the cooler I've been running the entire time I've had my current desktop. It's incredibly good for gaming and allows me to do 5.6 GHz on my 10900K in games, which really helps with games that have an artifically induced single core performance bottleneck.

 

I also know liquid metal wasn't recommended with this cooler, but I did it anyway and that made the temperature results even better of course.

[Mr. Fox]

In case anyone cares, Corsair has a Black Friday sale on AIOs with pretty steep discounts. They have some other things as well. 

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

I've had a lot of fun with the ML360 Sub-Zero. That's the cooler I've been running the entire time I've had my current desktop. It's incredibly good for gaming and allows me to do 5.6 GHz on my 10900K in games, which really helps with games that have an artifically induced single core performance bottleneck.

 

I also know liquid metal wasn't recommended with this cooler, but I did it anyway and that made the temperature results even better of course.

Thats really good to hear. Once it goes inside of an ATX case it’s definitely gonna be using only the Subzero 360. 
 

How do you think 4x16GB will overclock on a 4 dimmer? Like 4266? Maybe 4400? 

[Clamibot]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Thats really good to hear. Once it goes inside of an ATX case it’s definitely gonna be using only the Subzero 360. 
 

How do you think 4x16GB will overclock on a 4 dimmer? Like 4266? Maybe 4400? 

 

So far I've gotten my 4000 CL15 32 GB (4x8GB) kit to 4200 with 1.5 IMC and 1.54v on the memory itself. I haven't tried pushing further, but I do think there's headroom left if I push the memory voltage higher. Samsung B Die is awesome!

 

This is of course dependent on the motherboard. I have an MSI Unify Z590 motherboard, and I know these were made for overclocking. If you get a similar quality board, you should obtain similar results.

[Clamibot]

Well guys, I benchmarked my 2019 LTSC install vs my new WindowsXLite 22H2 install in Shadow Of The Tomb Raider again (this time using the built in benchmark), and I can confirm the 22H2 install does indeed perform better, even with all my programs installed (which seemed to have no effect on performance at all). Looks like WindowsXLite 22H2 is the to upgrade from LTSC 2019! I'm currently installing it on my Legion Go and will be installing it on my X170 next.

 

I had my 10900K running at 3.7 GHz to induce a CPU side bottleneck. My GPU is a Radeon RX 6950 XT.

 

2019 LTSC:

 

WindowsXLite22H2 (minimalist gamer only installation):

 

WindowsXLite22H2 (all my programs installed + some extra services running):

 

WindowsXLite22H2 wins by about 2%. I did not expect this at all. I was expecting a performance downgrade, but I am very happy I got a slight performance upgrade instead. You don't see that very often with installing newer versions of windows.

 

I like that Shadow Of The Tomb Raider is useful both for CPU and GPU benchmarks. This makes it an easy all in one benchmark that saves me time as it will give me a general idea of performance differences between different machines and windows installs.

[ssj92]

Ah now I am debating on buying another 2x480mm rads and another pump since everything is on sale.....gotta sell some stuff lol

 

 

Also is Firestrike bad at taking advantage of multiple cores? What do people here get in FS physics with their CPU. This is with 3.9Ghz all core, 4.8Ghz single core, and I think 4.6Ghz 6-12 cores multipliers.

 

 

This is my absolute limit with my air cooler. 4.1Ghz all core, thermal throttle for a bit. 

 

[electrosoft]

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