*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

My response is: wish in one hand, poop in another... see which one gets full first.

 

I laughed out loud over this one. 🤣

 

19 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

The problem is there are way too many sheeple that will pay the extra $800 A$$zeus fanboy tax as though it was normal and OK. They wouldn't be raping people with asinine prices if they didn't voluntarily drop their drawers.

 

Seems many others posting in the thread feel the same. No. Just... No A$$zeus.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/asus-geforce-rtx-5090-astral-oc.331516/page-2

 

In all honesty, we were all Sheeple the moment we ponied up $1500 for a 3090 and $2k for a KPE......

 

Or when we ponied up $1600+ for a 4090.....

 

Cards moved for Ampere and Ada priced at $2k so Nvidia and AIBs keep pushing upward till they feel a noticeable loss in sales like the 4080 and retreated back down to $999 with the 5080 and have stayed there even this cycle along with lowering prices on the 5070ti and keeping the 5070 the same price. It shows Nvidia bean counters respond to market forces like consumer spending limits and AMD.

 

5090? Zero competition. Zero need to compete price wise.

 

AIBs? Getting in on the money grab. 40% markup for Asus this time with the Astral vs 25% before with the Strix. MSI? 25% markup vs less than 10% before with the Suprim.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

I laughed out loud over this one. 🤣

 

 

In all honesty, we were all Sheeple the moment we ponied up $1500 for a 3090 and $2k for a KPE......

 

Or when we ponied up $1600+ for a 4090.....

 

Cards moved for Ampere and Ada priced at $2k so Nvidia and AIBs keep pushing upward till they feel a noticeable loss in sales like the 4080 and retreated back down to $999 with the 5080 and have stayed there even this cycle along with lowering prices on the 5070ti and keeping the 5070 the same price. It shows Nvidia bean counters respond to market forces like consumer spending limits and AMD.

 

5090? Zero competition. Zero need to compete price wise.

 

AIBs? Getting in on the money grab. 40% markup for Asus this time with the Astral vs 25% before with the Strix. MSI? 25% markup vs less than 10% before with the Suprim.

 

 

I chuckled as I posted it as well. 🤣

 

We have all contributed to the lunacy and unless the price is even more off the rails more than the Intel versions I will again be contributing to the problem when I purchase an X870E Apex. But, there has to be a point where the line gets drawn into the sand and we say no to insanity. It seems like with GPUs it is going from a tolerated level of insanity to the point of an intolerable degree of criminal insanity and on an unacceptable and steep trajectory. If they keep tacking on an extra 20 to 25% scalper premium for video cards every year, including the crappy brands and models, that kind of predatory behavior deserves to end in abject failure. We should not be paying Galax HOF and K|NGP|N prices for Ventus, Trinity and Trio gamer garbage SKUs. Just like we shouldn't pay Apex, Tachyon or Godlike prices for Prime, Tomahawk and Eagle tier motherboards.

[Papusan]

 

For many users, this means that access to high-end technology is increasingly limited. Unfortunately, cards like the RTX 5090 SUPRIM SOC are becoming increasingly out of reach, especially for gamers or creatives on a limited budget. This is leading to a social discussion about the balance between innovation and affordability. While enthusiasts are willing to pay high prices for top performance, the question remains as to how a market that is moving further and further away from a broad user base can survive in the long term.

 

MSI cheaped out on the pads for the VRMs/power delivery for their flagship card. Why? Greed? How much did they save? $1-2 as they buy thermal pads in bulk?  

 

MSI GeForce RTX 5090 SUPRIM SOC in the test – When the gram costs one euro and you put the FE in the shade igorslab.de

 

The other thermal pads used, with a thermal conductivity of only 3.3 W/mK, are more of a lower middle class and only meet basic heat transfer requirements. 

 

 

Hothardware.com - Fri, Jan 24, 2025

GeForce RTX 5090 Cards Are Already Being Scalped On Ebay For As Much As $7,000

 

 

Edit. MSI use 11 heatpipes while Asus flagship use 8. And MSI offer better cooling as well (both for the cores and vram). Hmmm. 

 

Our apples-to-apples cooler comparison test reveals that the ASUS Astral cooler is NOT the most powerful air cooling solution tested today. MSI Suprim's cooler is a little bit better, probably because it has 11 heatpipes vs 8 on ASUS and less space taken up by the cooler shroud, so the heatsink is bigger. Compared to the Founders Edition, at the same heat load and noise level, the ASUS cooler runs a staggering 18°C cooler.

 

 In short an extra fan looks very impressive on paper but in reality it can offer you less in real world.

 

From Computerbase. Exactly what @electrosoftwill  try to avoid...

The fourth fan is annoying

Because in the performance BIOS under load in the test system it rotates at almost 1,900 revolutions per minute like the other fans, it is loud and annoying.

 

MSI GeForce RTX 5090 Suprim SOC Review

ASUS GeForce RTX 5090 Astral OC Review - Astronomical (Premium) Expensive

[jaybee83]

On 1/24/2025 at 5:59 PM, Papusan said:

 

For many users, this means that access to high-end technology is increasingly limited. Unfortunately, cards like the RTX 5090 SUPRIM SOC are becoming increasingly out of reach, especially for gamers or creatives on a limited budget. This is leading to a social discussion about the balance between innovation and affordability. While enthusiasts are willing to pay high prices for top performance, the question remains as to how a market that is moving further and further away from a broad user base can survive in the long term.

 

MSI cheaped out on the pads for the VRMs/power delivery for their flagship card. Why? Greed? How much did they save? $1-2 as they buy thermal pads in bulk?  

 

MSI GeForce RTX 5090 SUPRIM SOC in the test – When the gram costs one euro and you put the FE in the shade igorslab.de

 

The other thermal pads used, with a thermal conductivity of only 3.3 W/mK, are more of a lower middle class and only meet basic heat transfer requirements. 

 

 

Hothardware.com - Fri, Jan 24, 2025

GeForce RTX 5090 Cards Are Already Being Scalped On Ebay For As Much As $7,000

 

 

Edit. MSI use 11 heatpipes while Asus flagship use 8. And MSI offer better cooling as well (both for the cores and vram). Hmmm. 

 

Our apples-to-apples cooler comparison test reveals that the ASUS Astral cooler is NOT the most powerful air cooling solution tested today. MSI Suprim's cooler is a little bit better, probably because it has 11 heatpipes vs 8 on ASUS and less space taken up by the cooler shroud, so the heatsink is bigger. Compared to the Founders Edition, at the same heat load and noise level, the ASUS cooler runs a staggering 18°C cooler.

 

 In short an extra fan looks very impressive on paper but in reality it can offer you less in real world.

 

From Computerbase. Exactly what @electrosoftwill  try to avoid...

The fourth fan is annoying

Because in the performance BIOS under load in the test system it rotates at almost 1,900 revolutions per minute like the other fans, it is loud and annoying.

 

MSI GeForce RTX 5090 Suprim SOC Review

ASUS GeForce RTX 5090 Astral OC Review - Astronomical (Premium) Expensive

 

yes yes and yes on all points.

 

the suprim offers better cooling, especially on the vram, more heatpipes overall and that at 400 USD LESS (= 500€ LESS) than the astral. plus the fact that scalpers will focus on the FE and Astral first and foremost.

 

the two extra power stages on the astral doesnt make up for all that (24 vs. 22 on the suprim for the core, and an equal 7 vs. 7 for the vRAM). wont make any difference for the amount of OC possible anyways...

 

i got my card picked, triggerfinger is ready 😛 

[Papusan]

20 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

yes yes and yes on all points.

 

the suprim offers better cooling, especially on the vram, more heatpipes overall and that at 400 USD LESS (= 500€ LESS) than the astral. plus the fact that scalpers will focus on the FE and Astral first and foremost.

 

thw two extra power stages on the astral doesnt make up for all that (24 vs. 22 on the suprim for the core, and an equal 7 vs. 7 for the vRAM). wont make any difference for the amount of OC possible anyways...

 

i got my card picked, triggerfinger is ready 😛 

 

With the tax here home the $400 uplift from Asus will be transformed into $500 once you click the buy button. Nice. Even worse if you compare it to the FE. That would be $800 premium or $1000 extra with the tax

 

See it the other way. I could buy a vanilla 5090 MSRP card and put with a 5070 Ti for the second build for the ROG price premium. But nowadays... And with the silicon lottery... An MSRP 5090 could beat the Asus flagship for $1000 less. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

29 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

With the tax here home the $400 uplift from Asus will be transformed into $500 once you click the buy button. Nice. Even worse if you compare it to the FE. That would be $800 premium or $1000 extra with the tax

 

See it the other way. I could buy a vanilla 5090 MSRP card and put with a 5070 Ti for the second build for the ROG price premium. But nowadays... And with the silicon lottery... An MSRP 5090 could beat the Asus flagship for $1000 less. 

ASUS should focus more on what actually matters and stop burning calories on unnecessary fluff like going nuts putting RGB crap on everything, garbage like Armory Crate and "gaming smartphones" and other silly things. It seems like some of the biggest brands are becoming the "trashmasters" of the industry.

 

FE teardown... 90°C memory temperatures... SMH

 

[Meaker]

I've finally retired my old 500W silverstone unit and got an SF750 for mine. Did a little bit of cable management.

 

[tps3443]

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I laughed out loud over this one. 🤣

 

 

In all honesty, we were all Sheeple the moment we ponied up $1500 for a 3090 and $2k for a KPE......

 

Or when we ponied up $1600+ for a 4090.....

 

Cards moved for Ampere and Ada priced at $2k so Nvidia and AIBs keep pushing upward till they feel a noticeable loss in sales like the 4080 and retreated back down to $999 with the 5080 and have stayed there even this cycle along with lowering prices on the 5070ti and keeping the 5070 the same price. It shows Nvidia bean counters respond to market forces like consumer spending limits and AMD.

 

5090? Zero competition. Zero need to compete price wise.

 

AIBs? Getting in on the money grab. 40% markup for Asus this time with the Astral vs 25% before with the Strix. MSI? 25% markup vs less than 10% before with the Suprim.

 

 

Asus has lost their mind! I just read the 5090 Astral reviews, and literally chuckled at what Guru3D listed in the comments (Clearly a typo) They want $1700 for a 5080 TUF? And they want $2800 for a 5090 Astral?! They are pricing this card +$400 over the Suprim SOC, and +$300 over the Suprim SOC Liquid. I am not getting the Asus Astral! I draw the line at that price 100%. Asus has lost their MIND! That would be $3,015 dollars with taxes not including any extra shipping cost if I want it a little faster.


I really want a 5090 Suprim SOC or SOC Liquid now. Those are priced VERY reasonably to me. But honestly, I'd be very happy with a Gigabyte 5090 Gaming OC for the $2249 or $2299. The Gaming OC is definitely a classic! And while it's not the highest build quality, but their coolers are performing at the very top and they work very well. 

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

For many users, this means that access to high-end technology is increasingly limited. Unfortunately, cards like the RTX 5090 SUPRIM SOC are becoming increasingly out of reach, especially for gamers or creatives on a limited budget. This is leading to a social discussion about the balance between innovation and affordability. While enthusiasts are willing to pay high prices for top performance, the question remains as to how a market that is moving further and further away from a broad user base can survive in the long term.

 

MSI cheaped out on the pads for the VRMs/power delivery for their flagship card. Why? Greed? How much did they save? $1-2 as they buy thermal pads in bulk?  

 

MSI GeForce RTX 5090 SUPRIM SOC in the test – When the gram costs one euro and you put the FE in the shade igorslab.de

 

The other thermal pads used, with a thermal conductivity of only 3.3 W/mK, are more of a lower middle class and only meet basic heat transfer requirements. 

 

 

Hothardware.com - Fri, Jan 24, 2025

GeForce RTX 5090 Cards Are Already Being Scalped On Ebay For As Much As $7,000

 

 

Edit. MSI use 11 heatpipes while Asus flagship use 8. And MSI offer better cooling as well (both for the cores and vram). Hmmm. 

 

Our apples-to-apples cooler comparison test reveals that the ASUS Astral cooler is NOT the most powerful air cooling solution tested today. MSI Suprim's cooler is a little bit better, probably because it has 11 heatpipes vs 8 on ASUS and less space taken up by the cooler shroud, so the heatsink is bigger. Compared to the Founders Edition, at the same heat load and noise level, the ASUS cooler runs a staggering 18°C cooler.

 

 In short an extra fan looks very impressive on paper but in reality it can offer you less in real world.

 

From Computerbase. Exactly what @electrosoftwill  try to avoid...

The fourth fan is annoying

Because in the performance BIOS under load in the test system it rotates at almost 1,900 revolutions per minute like the other fans, it is loud and annoying.

 

MSI GeForce RTX 5090 Suprim SOC Review

ASUS GeForce RTX 5090 Astral OC Review - Astronomical (Premium) Expensive

 

Ugh, the more you buy the more noise you get?

 

25 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Asus has lost their mind! I just read the 5090 Astral reviews, and literally chuckled at what Guru3D listed in the comments (Clearly a typo) They want $1700 for a 5080 TUF? And they want $2800 for a 5090 Astral?! They are pricing this card +$400 over the Suprim SOC, and +$300 over the Suprim SOC Liquid. I am not getting the Asus Astral! I draw the line at that price 100%. Asus has lost their MIND! That would be $3,015 dollars with taxes not including any extra shipping cost if I want it a little faster.


I really want a 5090 Suprim SOC or SOC Liquid now. Those are priced VERY reasonably to me. But honestly, I'd be very happy with a Gigabyte 5090 Gaming OC for the $2249 or $2299. The Gaming OC is definitely a classic! And while it's not the highest build quality, but their coolers are performing at the very top and they work very well. 

 

$2800 is absolute insanity. With tax = $2985.50 here so $3k for a video card....

 

THAT. IS. NUTZ. !!

 

That is well over $1000 more than I paid for my Suprim Liquid 4090 after tax.

 

It makes the Suprim look like the sweet spot at $2557.94 after tax lol

 

Gigabyte at $2249 is "only" a 12.5% markup over MSRP or an extra $266.55 out of my pocket....

 

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

yes yes and yes on all points.

 

the suprim offers better cooling, especially on the vram, more heatpipes overall and that at 400 USD LESS (= 500€ LESS) than the astral. plus the fact that scalpers will focus on the FE and Astral first and foremost.

 

thw two extra power stages on the astral doesnt make up for all that (24 vs. 22 on the suprim for the core, and an equal 7 vs. 7 for the vRAM). wont make any difference for the amount of OC possible anyways...

 

i got my card picked, triggerfinger is ready 😛 

 

So the Astral rules supreme (so far) in PCB VRMS/robustness this time around? Boooooo

 

Suprim is a chonker though in the best way.

 

And yeah, the way they're pushing up against the wall, those two extra stages won't really make or break anything.

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

 

@Mr. Fox Is this enough to try lure you back to jokebooks?😁 

 

 

Intel proposes easily repairable and sustainable modular PC design for laptops and mini PCs

 

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Asus has lost their mind! I just read the 5090 Astral reviews, and literally chuckled at what Guru3D listed in the comments (Clearly a typo) They want $1700 for a 5080 TUF?

 

I wonder what Asus will charge for the 5080 Astral. The extra fan and the design cost equal much for the 5080 as for the 5090 Sku. Hmmm. $1.899.99 ?😛 The 5090 FE looks cheaper and cheaper, LOL

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

Asus' Q-Release Slim feature is reportedly damaging some GPU PCIe connectors

Affects 800-series Intel and AMD motherboards.

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Asus has lost their mind! I just read the 5090 Astral reviews, and literally chuckled at what Guru3D listed in the comments (Clearly a typo) They want $1700 for a 5080 TUF? And they want $2800 for a 5090 Astral?! They are pricing this card +$400 over the Suprim SOC, and +$300 over the Suprim SOC Liquid. I am not getting the Asus Astral! I draw the line at that price 100%. Asus has lost their MIND! That would be $3,015 dollars with taxes not including any extra shipping cost if I want it a little faster.

Yeah, that's definitely not ideal. I wouldn't call it "breaking" GPUs but it is, best case scenario, causing physical damage like that is undesirable and unaesthetic. If a person took their GPU in and out of the slot on a frequent basis it could hurt the resale value of the GPU or void its warranty with the GPU manufacturer having it all scratched up like that. What would be humorous is if the motherboard and GPU are both made by ASUS and they end up having to foot the bill for replacing both. I'd still buy the Apex though. My 4090s will be out of warranty long before any surface scratches on the PCB ever matter. It's good that the contact fingers are not being affected by that ridiculous retention mechanism the clowns at ASUS decided to make. Things like that are truly worthy of severe punitive legal action. It's sad how all of the big names in tech act first, think later and just don't care. I'm starting to grow numb to how we are getting screwed over at every turn. AMD, Intel, NVIDIA, ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, ASRock... all of them. All shady and greed-driven self-centered entities that ultimately don't really care about the quality of their products, the people that make them or the people that purchase them. The joke is on us for thinking anything different. The brain cancer that turned all laptops into digital feces is metastasizing and degrading the desktop space. But, there is still satsifaction in knowing it's all gonna burn and take them with it.

  

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

@Mr. Fox Is this enough to try lure you back to jokebooks?😁 

 

 

Intel proposes easily repairable and sustainable modular PC design for laptops and mini PCs

 

 

 

I wonder what Asus will charge for the 5080 Astral. The extra fan and the design cost equal much for the 5080 as for the 5090 Sku. Hmmm. $1.899.99 ?😛 The 5090 FE looks cheaper and cheaper, LOL

 

 

I'm honestly in a place where I just wouldn't own a computer any more if I had to purchase a modern turdbook. There are no words to express the contempt I have for mobile dung. They're trolling the people that waste their money on defective trash engineered by idiots.

[tps3443]

44 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

@Mr. Fox Is this enough to try lure you back to jokebooks?😁 

 

 

Intel proposes easily repairable and sustainable modular PC design for laptops and mini PCs

 

 

 

I wonder what Asus will charge for the 5080 Astral. The extra fan and the design cost equal much for the 5080 as for the 5090 Sku. Hmmm. 

5080 Astral is $1,899.99 😂 I don’t know why anyone would pay double price of a 5080 FE 🥴

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Ugh, the more you buy the more noise you get?

 

 

$2800 is absolute insanity. With tax = $2985.50 here so $3k for a video card....

 

THAT. IS. NUTZ. !!

 

That is well over $1000 more than I paid for my Suprim Liquid 4090 after tax.

 

It makes the Suprim look like the sweet spot at $2557.94 after tax lol

 

Gigabyte at $2249 is "only" a 12.5% markup over MSRP or an extra $266.55 out of my pocket....

 

 

So the Astral rules supreme (so far) in PCB VRMS/robustness this time around? Boooooo

 

Suprim is a chonker though in the best way.

 

And yeah, the way they're pushing up against the wall, those two extra stages won't really make or break anything.

 

 

 

 

I’m gonna try for the Aorus Extreme Waterforce WB 1st, then Suprim SOC Liquid 360mm is 2nd option, then Suprim SOC Air 3rd option, and Gigabyte Gaming OC 4th option. Asus can keep their stuff. They’ve officially lost it if these prices are real.
 

Only BH Photo shows the 5090 Aorus Extreme Waterforce probably $2499 or $2599 of I had to guess. I’d love to have a pre-blocked GPU for much less money than what Asus charges for their big 5090 Atlas though.

[Papusan]

13 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

5080 Astral is $1,899.99 😂 I don’t know why anyone would pay double price of a 5080 FE 🥴

 

Hmmm. It's Asus 5080 flagship. And it looks like a 5090 Astral so😁 People will buy it whatever price. I'm sure some sit home in front of the Asus web sales page right now and drools all over the blinking flashy Asus ROG gaming keyboard. Must have.... It's a flagship. It's Asus. Can't afford the 5090 Astral so this it has to be.

 

[tps3443]

@electrosoft Do you know if MSI USA Store gets their inventory on launch day? They have the RTX 5090’s listed and say “Coming soon” 

[Mr. Fox]

58 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Hmmm. It's Asus 5080 flagship. And it looks like a 5090 Astral so😁 People will buy it whatever price. I'm sure some sit home in front of the Asus web sales page right now and drools all over the blinking flashy Asus ROG gaming keyboard. Must have.... It's a flagship. It's Asus. Can't afford the 5090 Astral so this it has to be.

 

I think A$$zeus could put RGB on a cow patty and their idiot fanboys would pay $10,000 for it just because of the RGB and ROG name on it. If the ROG logo is RGB they'd pay $12,000 for it. Can't fix stupid.

 

We really need to start punishing bad behavior instead of rewarding it. The only way we can do that is by depriving them of the revenue they need to survive unless or until they knock it off. If they don't knock it off then their companies all deserve to die of monetary starvation. We have all the power and hold all the cards. We need to start playing those cards and begin wielding the deadly sword of common sense. Easier said than done when common sense has become so uncommon.

[tps3443]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think A$$zeus could put RGB on a cow patty and their idiot fanboys would pay $10,000 for it just because of the RGB and ROG name on it. If the ROG logo is RGB they'd pay $12,000 for it. Can't fix stupid.

 

We really need to start punishing bad behavior instead of rewarding it. The only way we can do that is by depriving them of the revenue they need to survive unless or until they knock it off. If they don't knock it off then their companies all deserve to die of monetary starvation. We have all the power and hold all the cards. We need to start playing those cards and begin wielding the deadly sword of common sense. Easier said that done when common sense has become so uncommon.

Gigabyte is stepping it up! They are using server grade high quality thermal putty instead of thermal pads on all of their GPU’s, and they even use Liquid Metal on both the 5090 Extreme Waterforce models! This is amazing to see steps in the right direction. 
 

They wanted to improve temps by 10% and reduce size by 10%. It seems like all of their prices are going to be better than even MSI’s GPU’s. So I may go with a Gigabyte this time as well. 
 

 

https://www.alktech.co/articles/in-the-news-gigabyte-launches-its-line-up-of-geforce-rtx-5090-and-rtx-5080-graphics-cards

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

They wanted to improve temps by 10% and reduce size by 10%.

 

Hmmm. This is what Dell usually flag for every new gen pc's. Disgusting. Also Apple follow same awful recipe. I don't want reduced size on any hardware. Just look what happened with Jokebooks. And I prefer high quality reusable thermal pads. Less annoying to use. And reusable with care. I have many old graphics cards. And most of  they have same old thermal pads while I only swapped out the dryed out thermal paste with new.

[Mr. Fox]

On 1/22/2025 at 4:33 PM, tps3443 said:

I was expecting these prices, and they are exactly what I thought they’d be. Top dawg AIB’s are always 25% more expensive than the Founder Edition models. 

They should be but it should be 25% more than an acceptable FE base price not screwed 25% harder than already screwed for 200% more than what an FE should sell for. None, not one, of the GPUs are worth the price they are being advertised at. Everyone that buys one is getting sodomized. And if the only thing available turns out to be shitty Windows 11 driver support it will be getting shanked in the groin on top of the sodomization. There are already components on new motherboards that have no Windows 10 drivers. I'd love to round up all their idiots responsible for that, put them into a cage and drop the cage into the ocean. They are unworthy of oxygen.

[Papusan]

LOOL. Jensen gave more love for the China-chip 5090D in many games. And what with the silicon lottery? Will China (Asia) get the better silicon as usual? Remember China stands for  1/3 of the GPU market, so their most important market. And Jensen love it. And I'm sure he will open up the backdoor with fully working 5090's so it can flood the China market with real AI chips. Just use all their scummy partner all around the world.

 

 

ASUS ROG GeForce RTX 5090D Astral OC to 3.4GHz with LN2 cooling, uses almost 1000W power

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/102795/asus-rog-geforce-rtx-5090d-astral-oc-to-3-4ghz-with-ln2-cooling-uses-almost-1000w-power/index.html

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

LOOL. Jensen gave more love for the China-chip 5090D in many games. And what with the silicon lottery? Will China (Asia) get the better silicon as usual? Remember China stands for  1/3 of the GPU market. And Jensen love it. And I'm sure he will open up the backdoor with fully working 5090's so it can flood the China market with real AI chips. Just use all their scummy partner for all whats worth.

 

 

ASUS ROG GeForce RTX 5090D Astral OC to 3.4GHz with LN2 cooling, uses almost 1000W power

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/102795/asus-rog-geforce-rtx-5090d-astral-oc-to-3-4ghz-with-ln2-cooling-uses-almost-1000w-power/index.html

What needs to happen is NVIDIA (and any other company) that cooperates with China in any way gets all of their patents revoked and everything they produce is automatically gifted to the world as open source and free for the taking.

 

Also needs to happen with Micro$lop, Intel and AMD. Need to make it a law that they have to provide newly released hardware driver support back to the initial RTM release version of every OS produced for the greater of 3 OS generations or 15 years. If they do not, patents are denied or revoked and their products (hardware and software) are gifted to the world as open source. If they try using their lies that the old OS doesn't "support" certain feature they want to implement they can choose between not implemented or being forced to provide an update for the OSes they (falsely) claim lack support.  Windows 2000 and Windows 7 will support any and all hardware features introduced in 2025 and beyond except for the deliberate actions taken to prevent support.

[Papusan]

40 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

What need to happen is NVIDIA (and any other company) that cooperates with China in any way gets all of their patents revoked and everything the produce is automatically gifted to the world as open source and free for the taking.

 

Nvidia use their tech almost as open source for China. They can easily go around all US restrictions. Only the small fishes will be taken with the pants down. And Nvidia can continue with new unknown partners for next round. 

 

Nvidia can even go out in media and bash the US government nowadays. Nothing really happens from the US. Nvidia and big tech can almost do whatever they want. All is about the big money. Just look whats in play with TikTok.

[Mr. Fox]

59 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Nvidia use their tech almost as open source for China. They can easily go around US restrictions. Only the small fishes will be taken with the pants down. And Nvidia can continue with new unknown partners for next round. 

Then he should have his US citizenship revoked and get deported to China. All of his personal belongings can be confiscated, sold and the funds used to support something that benefits everyone else. Screw them. Tech companies need to either fall in line or get expunged by the use of force. There should be zero tolerance for any company supporting China or any other enemies of the free world in any form. These vile nations need to be cut off from the rest of the world, isolated and left without any basic resources of any kind and allowed to wither and die. There should be no trade with them in any fashion and their currency should not be accepted as tender for any financial transactions.

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As long as stupdity is tolerated, prices of PC hardware (and many other things) will never correct. Stupidity is extremely common, and it is easy to identify stupid. You don't even have to try. It stands up, waves and screams, then introduces itself. Found two examples of it in about 10 seconds.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Then he should have his US citizenship revoked and get deported to China. All of his personal belongings can be confiscated sold and the funds used to support something that benefits everyone else. Screw them. Tech companies need to either fall in line or get expunged by the use of force. There should be zero tolerance for any company supporting China or any other enemies of the free world in any form. These vile nations need to be cut off from the rest of the world, isolated and left without any basic resources of any kind and allowed to wither and die. There should be no trade with them in any fashion and their currency should not be accepted as tender for any financial transactions.

 

All tech companies try please China. Last one one out is Intel. 

China-exclusive Core Ultra 5 230F Arrow Lake CPU poses for photos

The different cache size compared to the international version isn’t all that unusual for Intel CPUs. The Core i7-14790F was also exclusive to China, came in a black box, and offered slightly more cache than the regular 14700(F). 

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

As long as stupdity is tolerated, prices of PC hardware (and many other things) will never correct. Stupidity is extremely common, and it is easy to identify stupid. You don't even have to try. It stands up, waves and introduces itself. Found two examples of it in about 10 seconds.

 

 

4090's is still useful for China. Some will grab  them up and ship it out. Still cheap/useful for AI servers.

 

Edit. See it this way... NV has completely blocked 5090D for multi-card operations. If no one can open it up, then you can see the 5090 or the older 4090 as good cheap options for China servers. And the Chineeze use the 4090 cards with custom PCB for 48GB vram. So...

 

[Mr. Fox]

45 minutes ago, Papusan said:

All tech companies try please China. Last one one out is Intel. 

Yes, unfortunately. This is because it has been allowed to happen. It should not be allowed. The only way to fix it is to stop permitting it. China cannot participate if they are deliberately excluded and cut off. They need to replace Afghanistan as the world's poorest nation.

 

That is why the US, UK and EU need to ban together and outlaw any form of trade or exchange with China and any other nation that considers itself an ally to China. Any travel to China should be one-way, with no pathway back by land, sea or air.

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

What needs to happen is NVIDIA (and any other company) that cooperates with China in any way gets all of their patents revoked and everything they produce is automatically gifted to the world as open source and free for the taking.

 

Also needs to happen with Micro$lop, Intel and AMD. Need to make it a law that they have to provide newly released hardware driver support back to the initial RTM release version of every OS produced for the greater of 3 OS generations or 15 years. If they do not, patents are denied or revoked and their products (hardware and software) are gifted to the world as open source. If they try using their lies that the old OS doesn't "support" certain feature they want to implement they can choose between not implemented or being forced to provide an update for the OSes they (falsely) claim lack support.  Windows 2000 and Windows 7 will support any and all hardware features introduced in 2025 and beyond except for the deliberate actions taken to prevent support.

It's stupid and deliberate manipulation. I'm getting fed up with it!