*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

14 minutes ago, Meaker said:

Is it actually accelerated on the NPU yet?

 

Not  sure. I'm not very  interested in this. But it seems Intel is working with Microsoft so, who knows. They better have something to offer to try lure people over from Windows 10 and old hardware when the old OS goes EOL in October. They both will use all the tricks in the book to push people over on Copilot+.

[Mr. Fox]

On 7/7/2025 at 1:53 PM, Papusan said:

 

Do they need that when they will offer Microsoft Copilot+ certification for desktops?😅

 

Thus meeting the minimum requirement of 40 TOPS to have the PC Copilot + certification. This will be an advantage, at the marketing level, compared to AMD solutions. 

 

Maybe it's time for Fox to leave AMD now and start enjoy Copilot+? Yup, Fox is not a gamer, so maybe Copilot+ will become his new hobby.

Is the PSU also Copilot+ certified and an "AI-ready" product? 

 

Wait and see is always the best approach. 24C/48T should be nice. The weakness for all of our consumer Intel and AMD processors is not enough PCIe lanes.

 

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Is the PSU also Copilot+ certified and an "AI-ready" product? 

 

Wait and see is always the best approach. 24C/48T should be nice. The weakness for all of our consumer Intel and CPU processors is not enough PCIe lanes.

 

 

We are there already bro Fox. But for desktops there is still no Copilot+. It will come as you saw what Intel will offer the power enthusiasts😏 

65W Copilot+ AI PC Charger Replacement for Dell 2025 ...

 

 

[Talon]

 

I had a feeling HWU results were SUS AF. 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

I had a feeling HWU results were SUS AF. 

 

 

Looking forwards to the explanation from HUB🙂

 

 

Edit. @Mr. Foxwould you buy an Anime looking card with full pack of RGB puke and with a touch of Kingpin?

YESTON and GravaStar collaborate on new graphics card design, inspired by EVGA Kingpin GPU?

[tps3443]

8 hours ago, Meaker said:

Normally with shunt modding my concern is the VRMs but in this case it's the connector 😄

I didn’t see this message before but anyways. Yeah connector has been very reliable so far. This scenario is extremely unrealistic, and this type of load probably will never happen real world. (Hope not)
 

I think anyone shunting a 5090 should run a 12vhpwr or 12v-2x6 that has wires individually loose so they can check each individual wire with an amp clamp. I actually did check mine before the shunt mod. And it was perfectly balanced. But people may have that happen, one wire is pulling like 20+ amps and running 100c+ and it decides to glow red. I haven’t checked the amperage balancing since because I returned my amp clamp to Amazon. (DC Amp clamps are kind of expensive, like $100+ dollars) but yeah I think 5090+block+shunt requires careful setup. But I feel confident with the cable. I really doubt it would melt after seeing what it can do. That’s not to say someone could not ru. My card in their system using some janky old bent up 12vhpwr cable and cook it to death! lol 😂 

 

@electrosoft Would really appreciate a shunt modded 5090fe, (He doesn’t know this) but if you run Steel nomad completely stock MSI AB closed, it cracks 16k Matching or beating a stock RTX Pro 6000.  Overclocking can yield another 8% to 8.5%on top of that. 😎 FE does not stand for Founders Edition anymore, but rather could be FE= “Fire Extinguisher” 🧯 

 

This is playing Starfield 4K native which is not too bad. 
 

[electrosoft]

15 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

 

@electrosoft Would really appreciate a shunt modded 5090fe, (He doesn’t know this) but if you run Steel nomad completely stock MSI AB closed, it cracks 16k Matching or beating a stock RTX Pro 6000.  Overclocking can yield another 8% to 8.5%on top of that. 😎 FE does not stand for Founders Edition anymore, but rather could be FE= “Fire Extinguisher” 🧯 

 

This is playing Starfield 4K native which is not too bad. 
 

 

I'm sure I would enjoy a 5090 FE shunt modded.... 🤣

 

As I slowly amass parts and do research  for a SFF 3.0 buildout for fall travel, I'm thinking the Gigabyte 9070xt might be all I need along with an external 23.8" portable display and wireless KB/M but we'll see. If a 5090FE drops before then I'll probably give it a whirl but I haven't even been following the stock bots or anything for weeks now if that tells you anything.

 

This tuned 9800X3D+9070xt combo is really punching above its weight in WoW.

 

But I'm liking everything you've done with the 5090FE so far bro! Really good results even if it is close to causing a black hole with that power draw. 🤣

 

I saw over on the OC forums that dude who binned 16 6000's and is looking to take it to the extreme from platform selection to either a modified or custom fab blocked. That will be fun to see unfold.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

16 hours ago, Papusan said:

Edit. @Mr. Foxwould you buy an Anime looking card with full pack of RGB puke and with a touch of Kingpin?

Nope. I strongly dislike anime and manga (animanga) or any other type of fantasy, action hero or cartoon crap. I cannot relate to the cultural relevance of any of it and find it less than pleasing aesthetically. It would totally ruin my experience as a PC owner. Super tacky-looking rubbish IMHO. I would also not want Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, My Little Pony, Care Bears, Sponge Bob, Little Mermaid, Donald Duck or any stupid junk like that associated with my computer ownership experience. Super stupid, LOL.

[Papusan]

23 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Don't even know if it matters much with AMD based on Steam's new survey showing the dominant selling card is easily the 5070 with the 5080 and 5090 far distant but still making the chart and the 9070/xt didn't even make enough of a dent to get its own entry on the chart classified as "other" atm.... /facepalm

 

 

Nvidia  continues to rule the roost top to bottom but they still continue to make a fantastic product so it is hard to get people to jump to AMD. I completely understand.

 

AMD's biggest folly was not making a reference "control" card and not sticking to MSRP pricing. I said this before, but if pricing is close between a 9070xt and a 5070ti, I'm picking the 5070ti as would most unless you're sick of Nvidia and/or already a AMD supporter.

 

But clearly AMD did enough damage to get Nvidia on track faster to release the Super variants so there's that.

 

 

 

 

 

Your take on this? Consumers is forced to chose between pest and cholera? Does also gamers do the same for gaming cards?

Analysts say consumers are buying AMD graphics cards just to suppress NVIDIA pricing?

Truist analysts believe that consumers buy AMD data center graphics cards not because of their technological advantages, but to balance NVIDIA's price monopoly and stimulate competition. The report pointed out that AMD's channel inventory has increased significantly, which may drag down future operating trends, and the market has reservations about the prospects of its data center graphics card business.

 

On 6/19/2025 at 11:27 AM, Mr. Fox said:

.I am having my first and only acceptable experience with AMD products right now. While I have to admit that it is not thrilling, it's nice to not be enraged by the magnitude of the unacceptableness I found in prior generation Ryzen and Radeon products. They have come a very long way, but overall still prefer Intel and NVIDIA when all things are as they should be. The problem now is that nothing is as it should be. AMD is still rough around the edges and it still seems like their target market is cost-conscious gamerboys and not overclocking enthusiasts.

 

 

This is the wrong way buy products.... If AMD offer equal performance and features they will price their products very close to Nvidia. Or in  better words... Let nvidia determine what AMD cards should cost.

 

In other words, consumers do not completely believe that AMD products have higher performance, but rather put pressure on NVIDIA's pricing policy through actual purchases

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Your take on this? Consumers is forced to chose between pest and cholera? Does also gamers do the same for gaming cards?

Analysts say consumers are buying AMD graphics cards just to suppress NVIDIA pricing?

Truist analysts believe that consumers buy AMD data center graphics cards not because of their technological advantages, but to balance NVIDIA's price monopoly and stimulate competition. The report pointed out that AMD's channel inventory has increased significantly, which may drag down future operating trends, and the market has reservations about the prospects of its data center graphics card business.

 

 

This is the wrong way buy products.... If AMD offer equal performance and features they will price their products very close to Nvidia. Or in  better words... Let nvidia determine what AMD cards should cost.

 

In other words, consumers do not completely believe that AMD products have higher performance, but rather put pressure on NVIDIA's pricing policy through actual purchases

I think it is a matter of perspective. At some level nearly every decision made boils down to choosing the most favorable option. Sometimes all of the options suck and you are choosing "between pest and cholera" as you put it. Sometimes the option you wish you could choose and would prefer to select and would select if it didn't have a major caveat that overshadows the fact that it is a superior product (like being grossly overpriced NVIDIA GPUs that offer poor value). I think it is a little bit absurd to think anyone would buy AMD with the intent to suppress NVIDIA pricing. However, I do think there are a few people dumb enough to believe that might work. It's a take it or leave it proposition with NVIDIA. They don't care if the price is reasonable and probably have some degree of pride in knowing their products will sell in spite of being a poor overall value.

 

I suspect that if we do not count fanboys in the mix, (which are people that buy exclusively based on brand,) most are looking for something that punches above its weight (price). Nothing beats a 5090 if you are willing to pay the absurd price and ignore any aspect of cost-to-performance ratio or value. Some people (including me) really want one and wish they had one, but are not willing to pay the price because the value just isn't there. That's why I own a 9070 XT. It isn't the best, but it is certainly worth what I paid for it. I didn't feel like I was getting screwed. NVIDIA doesn't care because other people are willing to overpay to have whatever they desire. Quench the desire is more important than value to them. They are willing to be screwed just to have it. As long as there are enough of them, NVIDIA products will remain overpriced and a poor value. They will probably always be superior in terms of performance and features, unless something happens to upset their money cart and they no longer have the financial resources to stay on top.

[Mr. Fox]

On 7/4/2025 at 6:31 AM, Mr. Fox said:

So, I have had the most difficult time imaginable installing Linux on the X870E platform. It seems like none of the Linux developers have AMD's most current platform and haven't given it enough effort. Most distros are broken and installation fails at the point of installing the boatloader. I even removed all other OS drives thinking maybe Micro$lop was interfering by blocking access to the EFI partition, but that was not it. I tried numerous Arch, Ubuntu and Debian derivatives and all ended with the same error. I finally got Zorin installed after 2 days of farting around with failures on both the ASUS and Gigabyte mobos. I tried GRUB, systemd and rEFInd bootloaders on each distro and tried different SSDs. All failed during the installing the boatloader. Very weird. I guess that is one of the compromises when stuff is free. I'm using a USB ethernet adapter because the onboard NIC and WiFi are not supported. 

 

Well, I am on my second day of using Linux all day for work, and running Windoze in a virtual machine if I have to do something that only works on Windoze. That has been a factor holding me back from ditching Windoze. Now it is no longer a factor. I can enjoy using Linux as my primary OS for both pleasure and work now. The stuff I have to do that I can only do in Windoze works flawlessly in a virtual machine. PowerBI, Excel, Word, Powerpoint don't have a clue I am running them in a virtual machine. The experience is nearly seamless.

 

Edit: This is the Dune Awakening Benchmark run in Linux using Proton... Pretty decent at 4K.

[tps3443]

Put some new liquid metal on the laptop CPU. I think it is working as good as it can for micro cooling. 

[jaybee83]

On 7/7/2025 at 10:53 PM, Papusan said:

 

Do they need that when they will offer Microsoft Copilot+ certification for desktops?😅

 

Thus meeting the minimum requirement of 40 TOPS to have the PC Copilot + certification. This will be an advantage, at the marketing level, compared to AMD solutions. 

 

Maybe it's time for Fox to leave AMD now and start enjoy Copilot+? Yup, Fox is not a gamer, so maybe Copilot+ will become his new hobby.

 

LOL id love to see what bro fox would to with copilot 😄 i could imagine lots of fun things hahaha

 

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I saw over on the OC forums that dude who binned 16 6000's and is looking to take it to the extreme from platform selection to either a modified or custom fab blocked. That will be fun to see unfold.

 

oh damn, sounds like that dude is going above and beyond....havent had time to catch up on the latest over at OC.net, maybe i should start lurking again 😛 

[electrosoft]

Some YT testing 5090FE vs 6000 stock for stock out of the box experience on a poorly setup 9950X3D system.

 

~15% faster in Steel Nomad

~8.2% faster in CP2077

 

Obviously an absolute monster for LLMs....

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

30 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Some YT testing 5090FE vs 6000 stock for stock out of the box experience on a poorly setup 9950X3D system.

 

~15% faster in Steel Nomad

~8.2% faster in CP2077

 

Obviously an absolute monster for LLMs....

 

So, basically a 5090 Ti that they can charge more for because it is a "Pro 6000" LOL.

 

[electrosoft]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, basically a 5090 Ti that they can charge more for because it is a "Pro 6000" LOL.

 

 

But the 96GB of VRAM! 

 

I will give Nvidia a little leeway depending on yields of near perfect dies versus the much larger margin of error for 5090s along with 96GB of VRAM, but not 4x the price worth vs the 5090FE.

 

I think the market agrees as 6000 Blackwells can be ordered for $8k at multiple locations and are continually in stock.

 

[Papusan]

@Mr. Fox Redy to pull the trigger? The Matrix won't cost below $4000 and you'll still get a fully locked down graphics card..... https://www.overclock.net/posts/29485075/

 

Remember any XOC firmware is for the very very few. Aka the Asus way offer "excellence" for their overpriced flagship products.  But you\lll get nice build quality and new ways to show the aRGB puke show for your friends on the web. 

 

 

Paired with the Thor 1200W power supply then you can be sure it\s a locked down card with new fancy RGB and vanille firware.

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-teases-special-geforce-rtx-5090-graphics-card-launching-august-19-rog-matrix-5090-incoming

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, basically a 5090 Ti that they can charge more for because it is a "Pro 6000" LOL.

 

Yep I am very proud to say that I cook that thing, my best score was 17,315 Steel Nomad so essentially +11% faster than the RTX Pro 6000 in that video. Since we cannot get a waterblock for a RTX PRO 6000 very easily unless you had one custom made it makes me not interested in one. And well they are $8,000 dollars lol..You could probably be cheaper to have a 5090 custom modified with 48GB GDDR7. 

 

Truth is, they are overpriced..And since we can cook one for 1/4 the price unless someone runs LLMS that thing should never even be considered. I did really want one a while back. Glad that crush finally went away.  😎 🤣

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Remember any XOC firmware is for the very vey few. Aka the Asus way offer excellence for their flagship products.  But you\lll get nice build quality and new ways to show the aRGB puke show for your friends. 

An "XOC" product that ships with "POC" (piece of crap) firmware and functions like a run-of-the-mill gamerboy product. Same old same old... expensive toys for the kiddos that don't know they're getting screwed.

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29485117/

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

An "XOC" product that ships with "POC" (piece of crap) firmware and functions like a run-of-the-mill gamerboy product. Same old same old... expensive toys for the kiddos that don't know they're getting screwed.

 

EVERYTHING IS ABOUT THE BRAND, DESIGN, COLOR THEME AND THAT THE CARDS HAVE LOADS OF BLINKING RGB LIGHTS. When I was a young kid my papa come HOME with new Christmas lights. Very modern for that time in the early 70's... Red blue, yellow and green lights for the Christmas tree. We used it two or was it 3 years and back we went with the good old White Christmas lights. Yep, he learned his lesson back then. Me... I🙂learned from him. 

 

From the Reddit thread below... Hey guys, what’s up? I’m going for a 5090 Astral (non-OC version). I’ve had a 3080, 4080 Super, and now a 5080 — all of them were OC versions, but I’ve never actually overclocked them; I’ve always used them with default settings. My question is: I’m about to upgrade to a 5090 non-OC — will I lose performance, or should I just go for the OC version?”

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

EVERYTHING IS ABOUT THE BRAND, DESIGN, COLOR THEME AND THAT THE CARDS HAVE LOADS OF BLINKING RGB LIGHTS.

Absurdity is an appropriate description of things as they are now. Prices are absurd. Marketing is absurd, and product designs are absurd. When your target market has too many idiots it ruins things for everyone. This garbage exists because there is a market for garbage.

 

[Papusan]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Absurdity is an appropriate description of things as they are now. Prices are absurd. Marketing is absurd, and product designs are absurd. When your target market has too many idiots it ruins things for everyone. This garbage exists because there is a market for garbage.

 

 

And it will be worse... 

The largest US power grid is struggling to meet AI demand: electricity bills are expected to increase by 20% in some US regions.

[Mr. Fox]

40 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

And it will be worse... 

The largest US power grid is struggling to meet AI demand: electricity bills are expected to increase by 20% in some US regions.

AI is going to ruin everything for the world. The whole thing is driven by educated idiots. They tend to ruin anything and everything they touch. That's just who they are and how they operate.

 

More nefarious nonsense and self-serving manipulation from the Green Goblin. And, while they are making it hard to buy their desirable GPUs their next driver will be the last one for 10-series. So, they are deliberately overpricing their new crap and ending driver support for those that were not willing to pay absurd prices for an upgrade. Bastards.

 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

AI is going to ruin everything for the world. The whole thing is driven by educated idiots. They tend to ruin anything and everything they touch. That's just who they are and how they operate.

 

More nefarious nonsense and self-serving manipulation from the Green Goblin. And, while they are making it hard to buy their desirable GPUs their next driver will be the last one for 10-series. So, they are deliberately overpricing their new crap and ending driver support for those that were not willing to pay absurd prices for an upgrade. Bastards.

 

 

Dishonesty is everywhere. From big corp to slimy scammers. Yup, there is bastards everywhere.

 

And China make fool of the US Chip ban. As long the US government with their administration don't stop Jensen nothing will stop China from getting all the needed chips from nvidia...... Worthless without fining Nvidia so hard that they go back 5 years in revenue. 10% of nvidia's revenue in fine would be a good start. 

 

Chinese AI companies plan new facility in China with 115,000 NVIDIA AI GPUs, even with chip ban

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/106322/chinese-ai-companies-plan-new-facility-in-china-with-115-000-nvidia-gpus-even-chip-ban/index.html

 

In a new report from Bloomberg, we're hearing that futuristic structures are data centers that Chinese AI companies want to equip with high-end American semiconductors, chips that the US government doesn't want China to obtain. Bloomberg News has analyzed investment approvals, tender documents, and company filings that show Chinese AI companies aim to install over 115,000 of NVIDIA's high-end AI GPUs.

 

[tps3443]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

AI is going to ruin everything for the world. The whole thing is driven by educated idiots. They tend to ruin anything and everything they touch. That's just who they are and how they operate.

 

More nefarious nonsense and self-serving manipulation from the Green Goblin. And, while they are making it hard to buy their desirable GPUs their next driver will be the last one for 10-series. So, they are deliberately overpricing their new crap and ending driver support for those that were not willing to pay absurd prices for an upgrade. Bastards.

 

Am I crazy for thinking this? I thought GTX10 series was almost 10 years old. Someone help me understand. I would think 7-8 years would be amazing on a piece of hardware lol.