*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[ryan]

stock cpu stock gpu stock settings...texture filtering set to high quality

 

 

stock everything texture filtering set to high performance

 

I think my highest gpu in timespy is 9200 roughly and I don't think ill be able to re create that  or top it but im happy with 9000 overall with a small overclock

 

170/170 overclock completely stable and a safe limit

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, ryan said:

In timespy stock with settings tweaked i get 8600 gpu

 

Its frustrating buying a laptop, you find one that looks good and it says 3080 or 3070 but you have to research what wattage it is

 

I agree. Instead of having 3-4 models you then have numerous sub models within the primary models based on power.

 

This GL66 with a 3070 clocks in at ~9400 gpu stock clocks on Time Spy with no overclocks so you're looking at best a ~10% boost over your 3060 which is not exactly an exciting boost.

[ryan]

yeah i decided to wait till 4k series...

 

i play racing games mainly and get 100fps in project cars 2 under extreme settings and hard to run areas

in forza horizon 5 maxed i get 60fps maxed at extreme with 8aa

 

so i guess i have no real reason to upgrade.. i still dont think the 3080 in laptops is good enough for 4k

 

 

 

also it really is dumb and irrelevent..because Im gunning for 144fps on my display and that requires me to lower settings. generally speaking you can lowerr some settings to gain performance and have almost no effect on image quality that is without a microscope...im not much of a pixel counter but I think 1080p on a 16in laptop is fine I sit 3 feet away and don't see any pixels. I just know for a fact a 4k 120hz wuld look sharper even at 3 feet away and on a 16in....just not sure how much as ive never seen a 17 16 or 15in laptop display with 4k aside from my old 4k asus j850 or whatever it was called....back then displays were not the greatest but now...id imagine the difference might be worth it that is if the power of gpus increases 50-80percent I might have to wait 3 years for that...but thats fine I have like a 300 game backlog just have to motivate myself to game more.

 

 

also I just got a funny job

 

janitor at the bus terminal.....hope its a breeze gives me something to do and gets me off my computer for a few hours

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

so i guess i have no real reason to upgrade.. i still dont think the 3080 in laptops is good enough for 4k

3080 mobile is a castrated card. A lot worse than the desktop card. Even the more expensive 3080 Ti mobile is a huge failure. And I don't talk about the fake silicon branding. 

 

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Mobile is built on GA104. Not the bigger GA102 graphics processor as for the real RTX 3080 desktop cards. And the weaker 3070 desktop card who is built from same GA104 silicon ain't a 4K card and never will be. In short... The mobile cards linup is a scam!

 

Enjoy also what happens when Nvidia tricking with vRam and bandwidth.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-has-been-tested-with-custom-20gb-320b-and-12gb-192b-memory-bioses

[Tenoroon]

19 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

You definitely need to remove the paint for soldering. Solder will not stick to paint properly. You can use a 200 or 400 grit sandpaper to remove the paint. You do not have to remove the old solder as long as there are no lumps or bumps that would interfere with the heat pipe making complete and solid contact with the mating surface. You can sand the old soldered surface so it is completely flat and smooth. You cannot use solder paste to fill up air gaps between parts if the surface is rough because it is flux with tiny suspended solder beads and the parts have to fit together securely with no air gaps between the mating surfaces in order for the solder paste to work.

 

You should also use c-clamps to hold everything securely in place while melting the solder paste. It is best to use an oven to bake/melt the solder paste. Keep the temperature low (just above melting point) and you can leave it in the oven longer. If you overheat the pipes they will swell and ruin everything. Allow it to air cool to ambient temperature. If you cool it off immediately in cold water it could fracture the solder.

 

I hope that make sense the way I described it.

 

Edit: if you have access to a sand blaster (or other media blasting) that is faster and easier than sanding off the old paint. That is what I used when I was experimenting with custom heat sinks. It makes a nice surface for soldering and for repainting. Using sandpaper requires a lot of elbow grease. I think it might not be normal paint. On the heat sinks I was playing with it was very difficult and tough to remove by sanding paper. It may be powder coating rather than ordinary enamel paint.

Yeah, I will probably need to bend the pipes a bit to get some better contact with the main heatsink, but that shouldn't be too hard. I don't have a sandblaster, so I might just have to use regular sandpaper, but I dread doing that lol.

Here's my idea:


I'm also a bit worried about the air gaps between the heatpipes that are on the stock heatsink. will I need to use something to cover the small gaps, or is it not a big deal?

The red plastic is what I would like to do in regards to VRM cooling, but I need to talk to others here to see how soon I can get a pipe with the same or similar dimensions as the plastic prototype. I may need to do add it on layer, and if so, could I just use lower melting point solder paste as to not melt the two heatpipes I already added?

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Yeah, I will probably need to bend the pipes a bit to get some better contact with the main heatsink, but that shouldn't be too hard. I don't have a sandblaster, so I might just have to use regular sandpaper, but I dread doing that lol.

Here's my idea:


I'm also a bit worried about the air gaps between the heatpipes that are on the stock heatsink. will I need to use something to cover the small gaps, or is it not a big deal?

The red plastic is what I would like to do in regards to VRM cooling, but I need to talk to others here to see how soon I can get a pipe with the same or similar dimensions as the plastic prototype. I may need to do add it on layer, and if so, could I just use lower melting point solder paste as to not melt the two heatpipes I already added?

If you can avoid stacking heat pipes you will get better results. If you can take that one unpainted heat pipe on the left and attach it directly to the cold plate the cooling will be much more effective. It looks like there is enough space between the black heat pipe and the screw spring arms. 

I am not sure exactly what you mean about the air gaps between the heat pipes on the stock heat sink. If you are referring to the air gap between those soldered next to each other, that is not a problem. Air gaps would be a problem in places where solder needs to attach the heat pipe to the radiator, cold plate, or another heat pipe if you are stacking them. That is only because you can't stick two pieces of metal together with solder if they are not touching one another at the point of soldering. You could if you were brazing with a torch and filling the space with brass, but you can't get the heat pipes that hot without destroying them. And, heat pipes and radiators are difficult to heat for soldering. They are designed to eliminate heat, which is why using an oven to melt the solder paste is the best approach. You get everything heated to the same temperature with no place for the heat to go.

[Tenoroon]

46 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

If you can avoid stacking heat pipes you will get better results. If you can take that one unpainted heat pipe on the left and attach it directly to the cold plate the cooling will be much more effective. It looks like there is enough space between the black heat pipe and the screw spring arms. 

I am not sure exactly what you mean about the air gaps between the heat pipes on the stock heat sink. If you are referring to the air gap between those soldered next to each other, that is not a problem. Air gaps would be a problem in places where solder needs to attach the heat pipe to the radiator, cold plate, or another heat pipe if you are stacking them. That is only because you can't stick two pieces of metal together with solder if they are not touching one another at the point of soldering. You could if you were brazing with a torch and filling the space with brass, but you can't get the heat pipes that hot without destroying them. And, heat pipes and radiators are difficult to heat for soldering. They are designed to eliminate heat, which is why using an oven to melt the solder paste is the best approach. You get everything heated to the same temperature with no place for the heat to go.

Alright, I see what you're saying. I have the heatsinks from my GT72VR still and a heatsink from a CX61. I might be able to put them beside the already existing heatpipes.

Also, how how effective is transferring heat from one heatpipe to another. I might've found a way to cool the VRMs with a small heatpipe. 

I'm away from home right now, but I will send another idea I have once I arrive home. I might be able to make something even better than I thought was possible 😉

[Papusan]

Good news. Microsoft intends to extend paid support for Windows 7 for another three years. I'm sure they know a lot business just don't want their new and flawed OS. Not every day we get such good news bro @Ashtrix @Mr. Fox +++

Microsoft intends to extend paid support for Windows 7 until 2026

Earlier in 2020, Microsoft finished extended support for Windows 7. The company expected users and companies to switch to newer versions of OS, but some of them couldn't do that. So for enterprise customers who had to stay on Windows 7 Microsoft continued supporting Windows 7 on a paid basis.

[jaybee83]

28 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Good news. Microsoft intends to extend paid support for Windows 7 for another three years. I'm sure they know a lot business just don't want their new and flawed OS. Not every day we get such good news bro @Ashtrix @Mr. Fox +++

Microsoft intends to extend paid support for Windows 7 until 2026

Earlier in 2020, Microsoft finished extended support for Windows 7. The company expected users and companies to switch to newer versions of OS, but some of them couldn't do that. So for enterprise customers who had to stay on Windows 7 Microsoft continued supporting Windows 7 on a paid basis.

funny thing is, some big customer companies pay for that extended support but in the end, all those additional updates trickle down to all win7 lovers 😛 

[electrosoft]

Future playtime (yet another project 😁) aka Project Dragonflight

 

 

Hopefully your memory arrived @Mr. Fox

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Good news. Microsoft intends to extend paid support for Windows 7 for another three years. I'm sure they know a lot business just don't want their new and flawed OS. Not every day we get such good news bro @Ashtrix @Mr. Fox +++

Microsoft intends to extend paid support for Windows 7 until 2026

Earlier in 2020, Microsoft finished extended support for Windows 7. The company expected users and companies to switch to newer versions of OS, but some of them couldn't do that. So for enterprise customers who had to stay on Windows 7 Microsoft continued supporting Windows 7 on a paid basis.

 

Some of this probably extends back to the absolute crap fest they experienced transitioning from XP to Vista and 7. Their biggest fear is if they cut support enterprises will look elsewhere potentially.

[Mr. Fox]

On 7/15/2022 at 2:00 PM, Tenoroon said:

Alright, I see what you're saying. I have the heatsinks from my GT72VR still and a heatsink from a CX61. I might be able to put them beside the already existing heatpipes.

Also, how how effective is transferring heat from one heatpipe to another. I might've found a way to cool the VRMs with a small heatpipe. 

I'm away from home right now, but I will send another idea I have once I arrive home. I might be able to make something even better than I thought was possible 😉

It helps a little bit, but not nearly as effective from pipe-to-pipe as direct contact with the cold plate and radiator. Anything extra you add will create mass and give an extra path for heat to travel even if it is not as effective as you would like it to be. It is important to have something on the cold end of the pipe to avoid heat saturation. But, even if you can't due to lack of space it will either help a little bit or take longer for the part you are trying to cool to overhead.

On 7/15/2022 at 2:32 PM, Papusan said:

Good news. Microsoft intends to extend paid support for Windows 7 for another three years. I'm sure they know a lot business just don't want their new and flawed OS. Not every day we get such good news bro @Ashtrix @Mr. Fox +++

Microsoft intends to extend paid support for Windows 7 until 2026

Earlier in 2020, Microsoft finished extended support for Windows 7. The company expected users and companies to switch to newer versions of OS, but some of them couldn't do that. So for enterprise customers who had to stay on Windows 7 Microsoft continued supporting Windows 7 on a paid basis.

On 7/15/2022 at 3:01 PM, jaybee83 said:

funny thing is, some big customer companies pay for that extended support but in the end, all those additional updates trickle down to all win7 lovers 😛 

This is really good news. I am glad that is happening. The reason people want to hang onto Windows 7 as long as they can is because it is a better product, more stable, more pleasant to use, and because purchasing a new product that is inferior isn't an attractive proposition. 

 

It is extremely disappointing that they are incapable of producing a new product that is better and desirable to anyone except for those addicted to variety and newness even when it is not better. It doesn't reflect well on Micro$lop. I sometimes go for a year or more without changing my desktop wallpaper because I place greater value on controlling my experience and knowing exactly what to expect than I do random newness and variety that serves no useful purpose other than a feeble attempt at entertaining myself.

 

For me, the extended support is not super important. I haven't installed any updates released since 2015 except for the absolutely mandatory things like SHA and KMDF. I only install those because a few software titles and drivers won't work without them. Otherwise, I would not even install those. "Security" is not found on my list of priorities.

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, electrosoft said:

Future playtime (yet another project 😁) aka Project Dragonflight

 

 

Hopefully your memory arrived @Mr. Fox

Sweet! Fun weekend alert. 🙂 

 

Waiting for delivery still. But, the map shows the truck in my general vicinity. Probably will have it in the next hour or so.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If you can avoid stacking heat pipes you will get better results. If you can take that one unpainted heat pipe on the left and attach it directly to the cold plate the cooling will be much more effective. It looks like there is enough space between the black heat pipe and the screw spring arms. 

I am not sure exactly what you mean about the air gaps between the heat pipes on the stock heat sink. If you are referring to the air gap between those soldered next to each other, that is not a problem. Air gaps would be a problem in places where solder needs to attach the heat pipe to the radiator, cold plate, or another heat pipe if you are stacking them. That is only because you can't stick two pieces of metal together with solder if they are not touching one another at the point of soldering. You could if you were brazing with a torch and filling the space with brass, but you can't get the heat pipes that hot without destroying them. And, heat pipes and radiators are difficult to heat for soldering. They are designed to eliminate heat, which is why using an oven to melt the solder paste is the best approach. You get everything heated to the same temperature with no place for the heat to go.

 

I think there was a member on the old forums that purposely stacked his pipes to see if it helped and the nature of the design resulted in much ado about nothing and as @Mr. Fox says having pipes with direct contact point to point will yield the best results.

 

 

[Papusan]

40 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Some of this probably extends back to the absolute crap fest they experienced transitioning from XP to Vista and 7. Their biggest fear is if they cut support enterprises will look elsewhere potentially.

Microsoft is starting to be pervers. Many prosumers/businesses use Pro versions of Windows. Not all is keen on jumping on the new and disgusting. They are on the way digging their own grave as a viable option. Of course they are forced to extend support on OS's some people need/want.  

 

Windows 11 will soon force you to make a Microsoft account
https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/06/28/windows-11-will-soon-force-you-to-make-a-microsoft-account-but-theres-a-bypass/

 

Starting with Windows 11 22H2, setting up a new device will require a Microsoft account and internet connection. Previously, Windows 11 required a Microsoft account for Windows 11 Home installations only. Going forward, both Windows 11 Home and Pro will require a Microsoft account sign to set up the devices.

40 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is really good news. I am glad that is happening. The reason people want to hang onto Windows 7 as long as they can is because it is a better product, more stable, more pleasant to use, and because purchasing a new product that is inferior isn't an attractive proposition. 

 

It is extremely disappointing that they are incapable of producing a new product that is better and desirable to anyone except for those addicted to variety and newness even when it is not better. It doesn't reflect well on Micro$lop. I sometimes go for a year or more without changing my desktop wallpaper because I place greater value on controlling my experience and knowing exactly what to expect than I do random newness and variety that serves no useful purpose other than a feeble attempt at entertaining myself.

 

[ryan]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Good news. Microsoft intends to extend paid support for Windows 7 for another three years. I'm sure they know a lot business just don't want their new and flawed OS. Not every day we get such good news bro @Ashtrix @Mr. Fox +++

Microsoft intends to extend paid support for Windows 7 until 2026

Earlier in 2020, Microsoft finished extended support for Windows 7. The company expected users and companies to switch to newer versions of OS, but some of them couldn't do that. So for enterprise customers who had to stay on Windows 7 Microsoft continued supporting Windows 7 on a paid basis.

 

 

Bro Im a big fan of windows 7 on new hardware as it's freekin fast..but windows 11 isnt bad after startall is back. it turns the main menus windows 7 style....if your running windows 11 check it out makes a huge difference

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Hopefully your memory arrived @Mr. Fox

Got them and everything is back to normal now. Super happy about that.

 

The mystery now is how and why flashing the MSI A60 BIOS cause this. That makes no sense and it is totally messed up. I do not believe it is coincidence that it happened totally independent of the BIOS flash at EXACTLY at the same time.

 

[Mr. Fox]

Mobettah.

 

[Reciever]

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I think there was a member on the old forums that purposely stacked his pipes to see if it helped and the nature of the design resulted in much ado about nothing and as @Mr. Fox says having pipes with direct contact point to point will yield the best results.

 

 

As we all know, pipes are but one link in that chain.

 

That being said the 5 pipe heatsink I had for the Ranger which is essentially the same design save for the stacked pipes and copper heat exchanger, when forcing max speed on the GPU, my 118w 1070 would run at 54c max temperature with traditional thermal paste.

 

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

Microsoft is starting to be pervers. Many prosumers/businesses use Pro versions of Windows. Not all is keen on jumping on the new and disgusting. They are on the way digging their own grave as a viable option. Of course they are forced to extend support on OS's some people need/want.  

 

Windows 11 will soon force you to make a Microsoft account
https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/06/28/windows-11-will-soon-force-you-to-make-a-microsoft-account-but-theres-a-bypass/

 

Starting with Windows 11 22H2, setting up a new device will require a Microsoft account and internet connection. Previously, Windows 11 required a Microsoft account for Windows 11 Home installations only. Going forward, both Windows 11 Home and Pro will require a Microsoft account sign to set up the devices.

 

It will be painful but Windows 10 will be the last OS from Microsoft for me.

[electrosoft]

51 minutes ago, Reciever said:

As we all know, pipes are but one link in that chain.

 

That being said the 5 pipe heatsink I had for the Ranger which is essentially the same design save for the stacked pipes and copper heat exchanger, when forcing max speed on the GPU, my 118w 1070 would run at 54c max temperature with traditional thermal paste.

 

It will be painful but Windows 10 will be the last OS from Microsoft for me.

 

With each major release I always spend 3-4 weeks with the new then back to the old rinse/repeat while the new matures and grows into its own. I'm coming off a month (again) on W11 and when I retrofit my hardware with the 1600 P2 and 3090ti I'll be going back to W10 again. I think I'll be staying there for awhile. W11 is just not doing it for me even after having interleaved W10 and W11 for quite awhile now.

 

I ran W11 on my X170SM-G for a couple of months but went back to W10 a few months ago there too.

 

 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Microsoft is starting to be pervers. Many prosumers/businesses use Pro versions of Windows. Not all is keen on jumping on the new and disgusting. They are on the way digging their own grave as a viable option. Of course they are forced to extend support on OS's some people need/want.  

 

Windows 11 will soon force you to make a Microsoft account
https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/06/28/windows-11-will-soon-force-you-to-make-a-microsoft-account-but-theres-a-bypass/

 

Starting with Windows 11 22H2, setting up a new device will require a Microsoft account and internet connection. Previously, Windows 11 required a Microsoft account for Windows 11 Home installations only. Going forward, both Windows 11 Home and Pro will require a Microsoft account sign to set up the devices.

 

 

They are seriously Jonsin' to be Apple.....

 

M$ W11 is no longer an OS first but a data mining, services selling, ad distribution platform. Just sell me the OS with none of that garbage as an option sheesh.

 

 

[Reciever]

3 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

With each major release I always spend 3-4 weeks with the new then back to the old rinse/repeat while the new matures and grows into its own. I'm coming off a month (again) on W11 and when I retrofit my hardware with the 1600 P2 and 3090ti I'll be going back to W10 again. I think I'll be staying there for awhile. W11 is just not doing it for me even after having interleaved W10 and W11 for quite awhile now.

 

I ran W11 on my X170SM-G for a couple of months but went back to W10 a few months ago there too.

 

 

Im happy to have crawlers go over the forum so as to get exposure for us, but everyone needs to have a private space, or at least what they believe to be private. Pending the size of your tin foil hat you lost that ages ago, but forcing a microsoft account is a bit too much on the nose for what essentially a free alternative that nearly everything I use personally works with. For what doesnt I can run a VM for 7 or 10.

 

Professionally, thats up in the air of course lol

[electrosoft]

EVGA Z690 Dark on sale for 499.99.....tempting. 🙂

 

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=121-AL-E699-KR

[jaybee83]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Mobettah.

 

nice! so at least it seems like the new bios DID indeed improve mem compatibility? iirc u werent able to reach 7000 before, right? capped out at 6800?

[Papusan]

15 hours ago, ryan said:

 

 

Bro Im a big fan of windows 7 on new hardware as it's freekin fast..but windows 11 isnt bad after startall is back. it turns the main menus windows 7 style....if your running windows 11 check it out makes a huge difference

Be you sure brother. I have tested several Win 11 builds (even before Win 11 was a thing) and with all sorts of tweaks. Win 11 will never ever become a Win 7 or Win 10 (LTSC) OS. All too messed up and ugly. Not only the GUI (UI) is ugly. The whole OS is disgusting!!!! And I get zero gain from this touch friendly OS meant for Microsofts Surface-books. I run tripple quadruple boot on my pc and none of my ssd's have Win 11 installed anymore. Why should I spend more time on Win 11 when I see how bad it is? Nope... Not me.

 

You can't fix stupid. And you can't fix flawed/destroyed. It's waste of time. And I have only one life on this earth. Why spend it on trash? Again... Not me.

 

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Got them and everything is back to normal now. Super happy about that.

 

The mystery now is how and why flashing the MSI A60 BIOS cause this. That makes no sense and it is totally messed up. I do not believe it is coincidence that it happened totally independent of the BIOS flash at EXACTLY at the same time.

 

Happy you got it back in work. Imagine you had a full BGA setup with soldered on ram... You would be screwed. Even more screwed if you was out of warranty. God bless we still have computers you can do whatever you want with.