*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[ryan]

lol tha pig

 

dude, Windows 11 isn't that bad..Ive had it installed with zero issues for 7 months. cant say that about vista or windows 10.

 

yes windows 7 is superior but its done with, the great news is another 3 years that might get someone through till windows 12 and hopefully microsoft will listen to like 500 million people and bring windows 7 esque OS back..I really don't get how something as popular as windows 7 can be avoided by microsoft. ignorance at its finest

[ryan]

 

here I thought the 115w 3060 couldnt get to 23000gpu...jesus..pretty wicked how a small reg tweak can make like a 5percent diff.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

lol tha pig

 

dude, Windows 11 isn't that bad..Ive had it installed with zero issues for 7 months. cant say that about vista or windows 10.

 

yes windows 7 is superior but its done with, the great news is another 3 years that might get someone through till windows 12 and hopefully microsoft will listen to like 500 million people and bring windows 7 esque OS back..I really don't get how something as popular as windows 7 can be avoided by microsoft. ignorance at its finest

I have no problems whatever OS (stability). This is what you call no issues. But the issues is the OS. Not stability. Ugly and not innovative. Just a step back to old Win ME/Win 8. Can't beat ugly. Or can you? And yep, the pig reminds me all too much about Microsoft. Fits very well. One thing for sure.... We will never ever see a equal good OS as old Win 7 and the LTSC versions of Win 10 2019/2021 LTSC. All we will get is Apple copy cats. We have exactly the same situations for OS as we have for high performance laptops... Almost nothing. If some people are happy with what they get (laptops and OS).... They will get exactly the same forwards. We who want something avesome will be screwed as always. Just look in the laptop world. Again... Nothing for us. Aka we are double screwed!

 

Btw... I'm on the way make an 5= quintuple boot. But not sure what I will put in as the 5th OS for my pc 🙂 One thing for sure... It won't be Win 11.

 

Yep, a lot talk about OS bro @Reciever  but choice of OS is important for benchmarks who is this threads main topic (we are on topic).

[ryan]

46 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, a lot talk about OS bro @Reciever  but choice of OS is important for benchmarks who is this threads main topic (we are on topic).

I have to agree. Im trying to break 20 000 overall in firestrike and software plays a major role almost more than the slight boost from overclocking these thin and light garbage machines..I need a laptop and well its slim pickings

[Reciever]

50 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I have no problems whatever OS (stability). This is what you call no issues. But the issues is the OS. Not stability. Ugly and not innovative. Just a step back to old Win ME/Win 8. Can't beat ugly. Or can you? And yep, the pig reminds me all too much about Microsoft. Fits very well. One thing for sure.... We will never ever see a equal good OS as old Win 7 and the LTSC versions of Win 10 2019/2021 LTSC. All we will get is Apple copy cats. We have exactly the same situations for OS as we have for high performance laptops... Almost nothing. If some people are happy with what they get (laptops and OS).... They will get exactly the same forwards. We who want something avesome will be screwed as always. Just look in the laptop world. Again... Nothing for us. Aka we are double screwed!

 

Btw... I'm on the way make an 5= quintuple boot. But not sure what I will put in as the 5th OS for my pc 🙂 One thing for sure... It won't be Win 11.

 

Yep, a lot talk about OS bro @Reciever  but choice of OS is important for benchmarks who is this threads main topic (we are on topic).

No idea what brought this on. 

[Tenoroon]

17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It helps a little bit, but not nearly as effective from pipe-to-pipe as direct contact with the cold plate and radiator. Anything extra you add will create mass and give an extra path for heat to travel even if it is not as effective as you would like it to be. It is important to have something on the cold end of the pipe to avoid heat saturation. But, even if you can't due to lack of space it will either help a little bit or take longer for the part you are trying to cool to overhead.

Yeah, I have two ideas right now. I can't really fit any pipes close directly on the cold plate because they are either too thick, or need to be bent a lot to not interfere with the fan.

This is my first idea, and why I intially asked about transferring heat from a heatpipe to another.

Spoiler

This is my second idea. I would need to find a way to bend the curly pipe in a way to cover the VRM area though, but how would I go about bending the pipe? Do I just heat it up and slowly work at it with gloves or is there another way?

Spoiler

 

[Papusan]

23 minutes ago, Reciever said:

No idea what brought this on. 

I'm the culprit. And I talk right fom my heart. All I wanted to say... All this is on topic for this thread (so no siding)🙂 

 

@ryan please run all HW monitoring and sys info in all 3DMark benchmarks. And please add in monitoring info if you can.Mone can help you if people don't get all info.

[Reciever]

13 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I'm the culprit. And I talk right fom my heart. All I wanted to say... All this is on topic for this thread (so no siding)🙂 

 

@ryan please run all HW monitoring and sys info in all 3DMark benchmarks. And please add in monitoring info if you can.Mone can help you if people don't get all info.

Weird flex @Papusan

 

If it wasn't it would simply be moved. 

[Papusan]

5 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Weird flex @Papusan

 

If it wasn't it would simply be moved. 

Not all see it this way (my way). Better give a heads up than let it slide away. I always try stay on topic 🙂 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

nice! so at least it seems like the new bios DID indeed improve mem compatibility? iirc u werent able to reach 7000 before, right? capped out at 6800?

A60 is stable, but I am not sure yet what benefit, if any, there is on memory because those were different modules. The ones that the BIOS flash corrupted are TeamGroup Delta 6200 sticks and the new ones are Corsair Vengeance 6400. I was able to finally get the Delta 6200 to boot and bench at 7000, but not without a lot of fuss and much higher voltage, and not error-free. These Vengeance modules seem a lot more stable and use less voltage.

 

Just for shiggles I may flash A30 to the second BIOS and see if there is any identifiable difference. If these new sticks struggle with 7000 on A30 then we can maybe say A60 is better. If it behaves the same then it will remain a mystery what "compatibility" was enhanced. It may have been something they did to improve results for modules using Samsung or Micron ICs since those have been kind of crummy to deal with on DDR5. Only SK Hynix has/had been decent.

[Reciever]

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Not all see it this way (my way). Better give a heads up than let it slide away. I always try stay on topic 🙂 

You are always welcome to petition if my or support staff's actions are out of line. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Btw... I'm on the way make an 5= quintuple boot. But not sure what I will put in as the 5th OS for my pc 🙂 One thing for sure... It won't be Win 11.

Nice to see a beloved brother joining the Mr. Fox multi-boot club. It is good to be able to test and identify the OS that produces the best score in a specific benchmark, and exploit whatever OS gives you the advantage. Liking it is not necessary if all you are doing is exploiting it to run a benchmark, and neither is using it when you are done.

 

Even better, I like having the authority of experience to validate my vitriol for filthy feces like Windows 10 and 11. I can base my deeply-rooted hatred on knowledge and experience, and that greatly enhances the power of vilification and damnation, and it castrates any argument that I am simply a troll that resists change. I am an enthusiast that seeks opportunities to bring severe and irreparable financial and reputational harm to peddlers of technology dung. If I could, I would crucify them.

[Papusan]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

A60 is stable, but I am not sure yet what benefit, if any, there is on memory because those were different modules. The ones that the BIOS flash corrupted are TeamGroup Delta 6200 sticks and the new ones are Corsair Vengeance 6400. I was able to finally get the Delta 6200 to boot and bench at 7000, but not without a lot of fuss and much higher voltage, and not error-free. These Vengeance modules seem a lot more stable and use less voltage.

 

Just for shiggles I may flash A30 to the second BIOS and see if there is any identifiable difference. If these new sticks struggle with 7000 on A30 then we can maybe say A60 is better. If it behaves the same then it will remain a mystery what "compatibility" was enhanced. It may have been something they did to improve results for modules using Samsung or Micron ICs since those have been kind of crummy to deal with on DDR5. Only SK Hynix has/had been decent.

Can yuu reflash the correct values (corrupted) for for you screwed up mem sticks? What MSI did with he bios update is disgusting.

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, Papusan said:

Can yuu reflash the correct values for for you screwed up mem sticks? What MSI did with he bios update is disgusting.

I do not have a way to reflash the correct SPD on the Delta sticks. It seems Thaiphoon Burner does not work on DDR5 and the firmware does not have an option to enable SPD write. I do not know if that is an MSI BIOS thing or if Z690 and/or DDR5 are the reason for that. If I could, there is nothing wrong that I can see with the actual memory modules. They work fine with manual settings other than the 1.435V cap that the SPD corruption introduced. I wish I knew of a way to reprogram them. It was super easy using Thaiphoon Burner on DDR3 and DDR4.

[Papusan]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I do not have a way to reflash the correct SPD on the Delta sticks. It seems Thaiphoon Burner does not work on DDR5 and the firmware does not have an option to enable SPD write. I do not know if that is an MSI BIOS thing or if Z690 and/or DDR5 are the reason for that. If I could, there is nothing wrong that I can see with the actual memory modules. They work fine with manual settings other than the 1.435V cap that the SPD corruption introduced. I wish I knew of a way to reprogram them. It was super easy using Thaiphoon Burner on DDR3 and DDR4.

Maybe have a chat with the Thaiphoon Burner  author. This mess can't continue. This is more as a ticking bomb. Yep, if you have the money you can fix it but it (buy a second mem kit) and it take alot of your time. Shouldnt be like that. God bless the AM% buyers. Maybe they should buy a spare mem kit? I don't see they have much other options.

[Mr. Fox]

2 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Maybe have a chat with the Thaiphoon Burner  author. This mess can't continue. This is more as a ticking bomb. Yep, if you have the money you can fix it but it take alot of your time. Shouldnt be like that. Gog bless the AM% buyers. Maybe they should buy a spare mem kit?

I will try reaching out to him. I have communicated with him via email a lot over the years and so has @Prema. He has seemed to vanish and I hope that no harm or misfortune has come to him. The last time I renewed my Thaiphoon Burner license it took a long time for him to respond. When he did reply he was apologetic and said it would be a week or more before he could update the license. He did update the license and when I thanked him and expressed my appreciation and concern for his well being he never responded. He has always been fast to respond and very friendly, thus my concern.

 

Edit: I just emailed him. I will provide an update if he replies.

 

From: Mr. Fox 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 10:30 AM
To: Vitality Jungle 
Subject: RE: "Thaiphoon Burner PRO Corporative Edition", Mr. Fox [ORD]

 

Hello my friend. I have not heard from you for a long time. I hope all is well for you and your family.

 

Do you know of a way to reprogram DDR5 modules? Does Thaiphoon Burner work with DDR5? I have an MSI MEG Z690 Unify-X and flashing the motherboard firmware seems to have corrupted the SPD and erased the XMP profiles. Replacing the sticks proved the corruption occurred on the modules and not the motherboard.

[ryan]

 

Papusan what program should i use for temps ect to show you what its doing, but then again even if the temps are high theres not much I can do at the current time

[Papusan]

46 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I will try reaching out to him. I have communicated with him via email a lot over the years and so has @Prema. He has seemed to vanish and I hope that no harm or misfortune has come to him. The last time I renewed my Thaiphoon Burner license it took a long time for him to respond. When he did reply he was apologetic and said it would be a week or more before he could update the license. He did update the license and when I thanked him and expressed my appreciation and concern for his well being he never responded. He has always been fast to respond and very friendly, thus my concern.

 

Edit: I just emailed him. I will provide an update if he replies.

 

From: Mr. Fox 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 10:30 AM
To: Vitality Jungle 
Subject: RE: "Thaiphoon Burner PRO Corporative Edition", Mr. Fox [ORD]

 

Hello my friend. I have not heard from you for a long time. I hope all is well for you and your family.

 

Do you know of a way to reprogram DDR5 modules? Does Thaiphoon Burner work with DDR5? I have an MSI MEG Z690 Unify-X and flashing the motherboard firmware seems to have corrupted the SPD and erased the XMP profiles. Replacing the sticks proved the corruption occurred on the modules and not the motherboard.

Thanks. I would also send a message to tech support of your brand. I’m sure some know away how to fix this. DDR5 Is new but it can’t be too difficult for people/engineers find away for this. 
 

Maybe when AMD is out and the tweakers go on this may help but big companies should have the resources. They probably give a shit as long profits and not all experience this ugliness. 

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, Papusan said:

Thanks. I would also send a message to tech support of your brand. I’m sure some know away how to fix this. DDR5 Is new but it can’t be too difficult for people/engineers find away for this. 

I also opened a ticket with MSI and sent screenshots that I had shared here. I will update this thread with their position on the matter when they reply.

[electrosoft]

Sheesh, EVGA Z690 Classified down to $299.23 for their 1-23 sale. $330 off.

 

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=121-AL-E698-KR

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

Btw... I'm on the way make an 5= quintuple boot. But not sure what I will put in as the 5th OS for my pc 🙂 One thing for sure... It won't be Win 11.

how about SteamOS or the newly released ChromeOS for any PC? that would totally suit ur machine im sure 🤣

[electrosoft]

😆🤣😂

 

"

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"NVIDIA underestimated how desperate we were getting, but no more. They're finally working with us on solutions to clear as much stock as possible before Lovelace launches in October. BTW - the overwhelming majority of Used mining stock hasn't even hit the west yet. We need to get rid of these New cards NOW".

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/87418/aibs-threaten-nvidia-ada-lovelace-gpu-allocation-go-pound-sand/index.html"

 

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[aldarxt]

7 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Yeah, I have two ideas right now. I can't really fit any pipes close directly on the cold plate because they are either too thick, or need to be bent a lot to not interfere with the fan.

This is my first idea, and why I intially asked about transferring heat from a heatpipe to another.

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This is my second idea. I would need to find a way to bend the curly pipe in a way to cover the VRM area though, but how would I go about bending the pipe? Do I just heat it up and slowly work at it with gloves or is there another way?

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Hey @tenoroon  just found this  hope it helps

 

[Tenoroon]

51 minutes ago, aldarxt said:

Hey @tenoroon  just found this  hope it helps

 

I looked into getting one of those a while ago, but they aren't really meant for consumers like us. You need to email them, and I did, and still haven't got a response. Even if the tool was buyable, it would probably be expensive, and it seems it is intended for round pipes. 

Thanks for trying to help out though!

[aldarxt]

30 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

I looked into getting one of those a while ago, but they aren't really meant for consumers like us. You need to email them, and I did, and still haven't got a response. Even if the tool was buyable, it would probably be expensive, and it seems it is intended for round pipes. 

Thanks for trying to help out though!

Here is some more I found https://celsiainc.com/heat-sink-blog/bending-heat-pipes/  

not looki8ng good, seems more complicated than I would try to attempt, too many variables and the chance of breaking is high. Also heating them to much is a problem. I started looking at thermal epoxy as a better solution than soldering.

This stuf has a temp range up to 150c so we dont have to worry about it falling apart during a demo or game! The thermal conductivity is what I would investigate.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/255552233550?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28