*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Tenoroon]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think it depends on a lot of things, including the CPU microcode and Intel ME firmware. Increasing BCLK has the same effect as increasing core ratio, plus other less desirable side effect because doing that overclocks other things that are not normally overclocked. And, increasing voltage is necessary to handle the higher frequencies. BCLK is more limited on CPUs with integrated graphics. I don't remember the exact number now, but I think it is something like 102.7 is the hard limit on modern processors with integrated graphics, because the graphics part of the chip can't deal with higher BCLK.

Yeah, I've tried lowering memory clocks and increasing timings, I've toyed around with the PCI-E settings in the BIOS but that never ends well. I'll figure it out at some point...

I wish there was a way to disable the iGPU through the BIOS or by some hardware mod (and there probably is, and I just haven't discovered it yet). It seems like a lot of my problems stem from the iGPU, even though I'm not actively using it in this laptop lol.

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

Yeah, I've tried lowering memory clocks and increasing timings, I've toyed around with the PCI-E settings in the BIOS but that never ends well. I'll figure it out at some point...

I wish there was a way to disable the iGPU through the BIOS or by some hardware mod (and there probably is, and I just haven't discovered it yet). It seems like a lot of my problems stem from the iGPU, even though I'm not actively using it in this laptop lol.

Even if you have the iGPU disabled in terms of function (like all Clevos used to be) or have a mux switch, the BCLK is still limited because the CPU still has integrated graphics. Disabling it doesn't get you past that hurdle, unfortunately. You might get it a little more BCLK, but it remains a limiting factor.

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

I stuck in the i5 4210m, and its completely locked down as expected, meaning the microcode only unlocks Haswell CPUs that utilize turbo bins.

Also, I was lookin' on the bot, and I'm baffled of how this guy who got his BCLK all the way up to 107.39.
https://valid.x86.fr/ruzyv4
Is this just luck? Or are there actually ways to get the BCLK higher?

It’s about luck, using the better firmware, MB and never give up 🙂 

 

https://www.itproportal.com/2013/10/21/overclocking-haswell-processors-how-and-when-to-do-it/

 

Edit. Forgot to say… Great job with the old 🙂

 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5056325_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_980_ti_76701_marks

 

Still not reached 1000$. All 3090 Ti should reach that price point. The lower end cards should be priced even lower. 

NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti getting even cheaper

https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-ftw3-drops-to-1149-usd-it-is-now-1000-usd-cheaper

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

It’s about luck, using the better firmware, MB and never give up 🙂 

 

https://www.itproportal.com/2013/10/21/overclocking-haswell-processors-how-and-when-to-do-it/

 

Edit. Forgot to say… Great job with the old 🙂

 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5056325_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_980_ti_76701_marks

 

Still not reached 1000$. All 3090 Ti should reach that price point. The lower end cards should be priced even lower. 

NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti getting even cheaper

https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-ftw3-drops-to-1149-usd-it-is-now-1000-usd-cheaper

 

$1149.99/$1199.99 for the previous $2149.99 and $2199.99 models for a FTW3 3090ti.....wow.... $1k price drop. They're even cheaper than their own 3090 meaning they ordered based on old market conditions that suddenly came to a screeching halt.

[electrosoft]

Jufes going in HARD on EVGA (JayZ2C a bit).....

 

EVGA is clearly living rent free in his head atm 🙂

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Jufes going in HARD on EVGA (JayZ2C a bit).....

 

EVGA is clearly living rent free in his head atm 🙂

 

 

 

whoa if true thats pretty shady behaviour on EVGA's side....although some of the stuff sounds a bit tinfoil-hat-ish 😅

 

btw in this context, look at the current european EVGA store prices on the 3090 TI:

 

ummmmm.....wtf

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Jufes going in HARD on EVGA (JayZ2C a bit).....

 

EVGA is clearly living rent free in his head atm 🙂

 

 

 

I always thought that guy was squirrely, but now I know he is absolutely nuts. I don't agree with him at all. Prices are what the market will bear. There is nothing shady or dishonest about it, and if EVGA sells off stock for less or even at a loss as next gen approaches there is nothing wrong with that, and it is not screwing customers that bought at a different price point. If anyone is scummy it is NVIDIA for releasing a 3090 Ti in the first place so they could back-stab 3090 owners. Jules' potty mouth makes him seem even more retarded. And, I don't think Jay was part of any conspiracy. He was told something by somebody and what he was told turned out to be different than what he was told. This guy needs to just pull his panties out of his butt crack and stop smoking crack, LOL. If he wants to do some kind of idiot boycott of the best brand and convinces some of his followers to follow suit, that's great because it leaves more items available from the best brand for the rest of us.

 

I don't need a 3090 Ti and I don't want to spend $1,200 on a GPU that is soon to be obsolete, but watching his video makes me want to grab one from EVGA deliberately out of spite for his nonsense.

[electrosoft]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I always thought that guy was squirrely, but now I know he is absolutely nuts. I don't agree with him at all. Prices are what the market will bear. There is nothing shady or dishonest about it, and if EVGA sells off stock for less or even at a loss as next gen approaches there is nothing wrong with that, and it is not screwing customers that bought at a different price point. If anyone is scummy it is NVIDIA for releasing a 3090 Ti in the first place so they could back-stab 3090 owners. Jules' potty mouth makes him seem even more retarded. And, I don't think Jay was part of any conspiracy. He was told something by somebody and what he was told turned out to be different than what he was told. This guy needs to just pull his panties out of his butt crack and stop smoking crack, LOL. If he wants to do some kind of idiot boycott of the best brand and convinces some of his followers to follow suit, that's great because it leaves more items available from the best brand for the rest of us.

 

I don't need a 3090 Ti and I don't want to spend $1,200 on a GPU that is soon to be obsolete, but watching his video makes me want to grab one from EVGA deliberately out of spite for his nonsense.

 

This was pretty much my take. He went off the rails HARD. At first I'm going, "Ok, that sounds alright...." to "well that is possible" to "Huh?" then when he started the whole conjecture sprew I faded fast.

 

I don't think JZ2C was pushing anything...just commenting on past market conditions but failing to factor in the massive mark up from the Pandemic even on new products which could result in an even bigger depreciation of value when crashing.

 

Jufes failed to recognize all the other AIBs massively marking down their prices too. EVGA in the here and now just happen to mark theirs down more to clear out inventory.

 

Clearly it is working as most of the 3090 models are dried up and gone now for EVGA. KPE 3090ti is officially sold out even after adjusting for the E1 lackluster response and many of their other models are sold out too.

 

3090ti           4 of 5 models left (KPE sold out, HC pulled before launch)

3090             2 of 5 models left (KPE sold out)

3080ti           1 of 7 models left (XC3 Ultra)

3080  12GB   1 of 9 models left (Only XC3 HC left)

3080  10GB   4 of 7 models left (Prices will need to come down more but getting dangerously close to 3070ti land)

 

One moment he's railing on EVGA next he's bragging about the $2k he made from his viewers using his associates code.....

 

He very badly wants to be noticed by Linus and JZ2C....you can just tell. 🙂

 

$1149.99 for a FTW3 3090ti is a damn good price no matter how anyone attempts to crap all over it. $350 less than the 3090 launch MSRP for the FE and $450+ less than launch AIB pricing for the 3090. I know there's a ton of resentment from the whole "Perfect Storm" of pricing from the last few years but enough is enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

He very badly wants to be noticed by Linus and JZ2C....you can just tell. 🙂

I suspect he already has been, even before this video, and most likely they formed an opinion similar to mine about him being a squirrel and prefer to keep their distance. He has some content on his channel that is useful, but the dude is a trailer-trash goofball in my opinion. I base that on his words and behavior, nothing else. His limited vocabulary is a secondary issue and I wonder if his non-chalant use of the F-word and S-word in places where he runs out of meaningful adjectives helps him feel like a big boy.

[electrosoft]

EVGA lays off 20% of work force (along with a few other companies):

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I always thought that guy was squirrely, but now I know he is absolutely nuts. I don't agree with him at all. Prices are what the market will bear. There is nothing shady or dishonest about it, and if EVGA sells off stock for less or even at a loss as next gen approaches there is nothing wrong with that, and it is not screwing customers that bought at a different price point. If anyone is scummy it is NVIDIA for releasing a 3090 Ti in the first place so they could back-stab 3090 owners. Jules' potty mouth makes him seem even more retarded. And, I don't think Jay was part of any conspiracy. He was told something by somebody and what he was told turned out to be different than what he was told. This guy needs to just pull his panties out of his butt crack and stop smoking crack, LOL. If he wants to do some kind of idiot boycott of the best brand and convinces some of his followers to follow suit, that's great because it leaves more items available from the best brand for the rest of us.

 

I don't need a 3090 Ti and I don't want to spend $1,200 on a GPU that is soon to be obsolete, but watching his video makes me want to grab one from EVGA deliberately out of spite for his nonsense.

EVGA ain't as honnest as you think. And Jay should be very careful what he post in media. Not that he is the one to blame for spreading the news, but hi took out the cat from the bag. The one who was the bird who told him... None know. But it smells bad. 

 

EVGA tried hard as they could to hide that they sold mining equipments to the miners. And be you sure... Loads of cards also went to miners outside the normal sales channels. Same as all the other of Nvidia's AIB partners (Msi, Asus, Gigabyte etc). Even Nvidia themself sold loads of Ampere cards directly to miners. They are all guilty for scummy business. Evga is only one of many companies with same business philosophy. Profits over bodyes Max profits over honesty. 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/evga-1300-m1-mining-psu

 

Of course, EVGA isn't being loud about the launch -- there was no announcement or press release. Rather, the unit just appeared on NewEgg(opens in new tab), seemingly out of nowhere, but I guess this is logical: companies that come out with mining hardware aren't exactly popular right now. The PSU also isn't listed on EVGA's website either.

 

[jaybee83]

41 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

EVGA lays off 20% of work force (along with a few other companies):

 

 

probably the same workforce they hired additionally to keep up with demand during the pandemic. no feeling sorry from my side, this is just the market adjusting irself to normal levels after the uber hype craze during the pandemic...what goes up, must come done again, eventually 😋

[Papusan]

21 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

probably the same workforce they hired additionally to keep up with demand during the pandemic. no feeling sorry from my side, this is just the market adjusting irself to normal levels after the uber hype craze during the pandemic...what goes up, must come done again, eventually 😋

They all need to cut costs to keep up profits if less people buy new things due bad times forwards. Here home... 4.5% increase in salery but the prices on food, electricity, fuel etc increase more than twice. Aka you will have less money left for buying new things you may or may not need. Or is forced to buy cheaper due your personal economy is weakened. And the bad times will last a long time. The weakened economy won't be fixed over night. 

AMD, Intel, Nvidia Slow Hirings as Economy Falters

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

EVGA ain't as honnest as you think. And Jay should be very careful what he post in media. Not that he is the one to blame for spreading the news, but hi took out the cat from the bag. The one who was the bird who told him... None know. But it smells bad. 

 

EVGA tried hard as they could to hide that they sold mining equipments to the miners. And be you sure... Loads of cards also went to miners outside the normal sales channels. Same as all the other of Nvidia's AIB partners (Msi, Asus, Gigabyte etc). Even Nvidia themself sold loads of Ampere cards directly to miners. They are all guilty for scummy business. Evga is only one of many companies with same business philosophy. Profits over bodyes Max profits over honesty. 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/evga-1300-m1-mining-psu

 

Of course, EVGA isn't being loud about the launch -- there was no announcement or press release. Rather, the unit just appeared on NewEgg(opens in new tab), seemingly out of nowhere, but I guess this is logical: companies that come out with mining hardware aren't exactly popular right now. The PSU also isn't listed on EVGA's website either.

 

The link doesnt work for the Egg anymore, fairly odd. 

 

I think my 1080 or the motherboard is on the way out for my P750FM, lose all video, tried downclocking the vram and now I get colors but lose displays until it reboots.

 

I setup my AM4 ITX system again with one of my 3080's :)   

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

The link doesnt work for the Egg anymore, fairly odd. 

 

I think my 1080 or the motherboard is on the way out for my P750FM, lose all video, tried downclocking the vram and now I get colors but lose displays until it reboots.

 

I setup my AM4 ITX system again with one of my 3080's 🙂  

Dang, that stinks. Sorry to hear that, bro. That scenario is the only circumstance that I can think of where I wished I had Intel integrated graphics functionality when I didn't. It is a nice feature to have when you need it, and the rest of the time it sucks.

[Tenoroon]

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

I think my 1080 or the motherboard is on the way out for my P750FM, lose all video, tried downclocking the vram and now I get colors but lose displays until it reboots.

Do you need the 860m for testing?

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

probably the same workforce they hired additionally to keep up with demand during the pandemic. no feeling sorry from my side, this is just the market adjusting irself to normal levels after the uber hype craze during the pandemic...what goes up, must come done again, eventually 😋

 

Yep, that's basically what Steve said. Workforce contraction among tech companies is up across the board. Makes sense with plummeting sales and reality kicking back in.

 

 

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

EVGA ain't as honnest as you think. And Jay should be very careful what he post in media. Not that he is the one to blame for spreading the news, but hi took out the cat from the bag. The one who was the bird who told him... None know. But it smells bad. 

 

EVGA tried hard as they could to hide that they sold mining equipments to the miners. And be you sure... Loads of cards also went to miners outside the normal sales channels. Same as all the other of Nvidia's AIB partners (Msi, Asus, Gigabyte etc). Even Nvidia themself sold loads of Ampere cards directly to miners. They are all guilty for scummy business. Evga is only one of many companies with same business philosophy. Profits over bodyes Max profits over honesty. 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/evga-1300-m1-mining-psu

 

Of course, EVGA isn't being loud about the launch -- there was no announcement or press release. Rather, the unit just appeared on NewEgg(opens in new tab), seemingly out of nowhere, but I guess this is logical: companies that come out with mining hardware aren't exactly popular right now. The PSU also isn't listed on EVGA's website either.

 

 

I think I said it before that out of all the companies during the GPU craze EVGA handled it the best IMHO but that doesn't mean perfect or close to it.

 

I expect EVGA to operate like any other for profit company at its core. Mass selling to miners was a no brainer. People had delusions about how the queues were going to work and somehow override massive, large profitable sales of mass units in a single transaction or obligations to resellers? Sure... Queue members were low buyers on the totem pole but it still added some order to the chaos at that time.

 

I have no problems with mining, miners or what they choose to do with their hardware. I have no problems with companies that day in and day out look to optimize and maximize their profits. That is their primary function and as long as you view them as such you make your buying decisions accordingly.

 

EVGA just sold out of the FTW3 3090ti $1149 model.

 

$1199.99 (which is their "best") is the last one in stock at that $1200 price point. I suspect when it sells out they will shift the formerly low end $1399.99 down to $1149 or $1099 to finish blowing them out and if needed shift the 3090ti AIO model down to $1299.99 soon. The stock on their top end models (3080 and up) is drying up at a decent rate.

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: 3090ti $1199 back up to $1399 to match the other one.

 

 

 

[Tenoroon]

I don't know if I've sent this here before, but I may look into getting one of these for when I decide to buy a 4930mx:



I'd assume this will be much better then anything I could fabricate myself...

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

I don't know if I've sent this here before, but I may look into getting one of these for when I decide to buy a 4930mx:



I'd assume this will be much better then anything I could fabricate myself...

Probably so because of the factory soldering of the heat pipes. And, you really don't have any wiggle room to play with there to do something extra or special within such a confined space. Getting a little bit of water circulating through there could be the only thing that would have potential to improve cooling within the confines of the minimal space available.

[Reciever]

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Dang, that stinks. Sorry to hear that, bro. That scenario is the only circumstance that I can think of where I wished I had Intel integrated graphics functionality when I didn't. It is a nice feature to have when you need it, and the rest of the time it sucks.

Yeah true enough.

 

I had been pining a bit to switch back to the Desktop but could never justify it since I have a pretty decent laptop. One of our members here successfully upgraded the P751 laptop with the RTX 3080 so I will take this chance to look over the real estate I have with this machine for incorporating that card as well as expanding on the heatsink. Wont be doing anything right now though, other priorities ahead of the "to do list".

13 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Do you need the 860m for testing?

 

Thanks for the offer! Sadly the 1080 I had used has a offset die location so with my current heatsink it wouldnt be able to mount at all lol

 

I am back to using my previous desktop AM4 ITX 

[Papusan]

16 hours ago, Papusan said:

They all need to cut costs to keep up profits if less people buy new things due bad times forwards. Here home... 4.5% increase in salery but the prices on food, electricity, fuel etc increase more than twice. Aka you will have less money left for buying new things you may or may not need. Or is forced to buy cheaper due your personal economy is weakened. And the bad times will last a long time. The weakened economy won't be fixed over night. 

AMD, Intel, Nvidia Slow Hirings as Economy Falters

Great news for those who wait for 4000 series graphics cards or want to buy the older 3000 series. Maybe they also have to adjust price expectations for the higher end 4000 cards? There is no miners this time that can help them keep prices well above MSRP. And too high MSRP prices over normal on next gen high end will only lower the sales of those type cards.

 

And the bird who told Jay that the prices won't go down any further knew all this would happen. I hope we finally will see loads of used 3000 cards flooding the web coming weeks. This will certainly help Nvidia to see the light 🙂

 

NEWS

 2022-08-08 15:05 

NVIDIA announces weaker Q2 gaming GPU sales, now working with channel partners to adjust prices

Weaker sales are likely the results of cryptocurrency crash and post-COVID market with lower demand of PC hardware. Nice, and Nvidia said the miners was in minority buying their ampere graphics cards.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Great news for those who wait for 4000 series graphics cards or want to buy the older 3000 series. Maybe they also have to adjust price expectations for the higher end 4000 cards? There is no miners this time that can help them keep prices well above MSRP. And too high MSRP prices over normal on next gen high end will only lower the sales of those type cards.

 

And the bird who told Jay that the prices won't go down any further knew all this would happen. I hope we finally will see loads of used 3000 cards flooding the web coming weeks. This will certainly help Nvidia to see the light 🙂

 

NEWS

 2022-08-08 15:05 

NVIDIA announces weaker Q2 gaming GPU sales, now working with channel partners to adjust prices

Weaker sales are likely the results of cryptocurrency crash and post-COVID market with lower demand of PC hardware. Nice, and Nvidia said the miners was in minority buying their ampere graphics cards.

 

Q2 had no choice but to be weaker. This time last year they couldn't keep up with demand even with cards grossly marked up. Hopefully 4000 series is held off a bit while the market continues to adjust downward so 4000 pricing reflects reality not the outlier bubble we experienced world wide.

 

To get optimal pricing on 3000 series it is finding that tipping point where 3000 supply is right at the drying up spot and pricing has trended down as much as it will before it might go back up a bit and/or the card(s) you want are no longer available. I don't think we're quite there yet.

 

Checking even Newegg, you will see many models of cards are gone/out of stock now across several AIBs so they are definitely moving especially higher tier models.

 

For example, if you were holding out for certain Asus Strix models, they're gone. from the 3080 and 3090 models with only more expensive specialty models left. Gobs of TUFs though.  ROG Strix 3090ti is in stock for $1500 but they took a step backwards with its PCB and it's basically the TUF PCB in there versus the superior 100% poscap design of the Strix 3080 and 3090.

 

Same applies to Gigabyte. Their top end Master cards are gone now. All that's left are Eagles and Visions for 3080/3080ti. Gigabyte 3090 models? Master and Xtreme cards are still $2k+

 

The only sub $1k EVGA 3080 model on Newegg now is the 10gb model. All over 3080s are >$1k that are left. One model of FTW3 3090 left and those pesky FTW3 3090ti's but they're priced higher than direct from EVGA.

 

I'll reiterate. If you have your eye on a particular model and it is one of the upper tier models, you might want to think about picking it up sooner than later if the price has come down.

 

Of course if price is your sole objective and you want the cheapest whatever brand/model then hold on. There's still room for drops. 🙂

 

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Great news for those who wait for 4000 series graphics cards or want to buy the older 3000 series. Maybe they also have to adjust price expectations for the higher end 4000 cards? There is no miners this time that can help them keep prices well above MSRP. And too high MSRP prices over normal on next gen high end will only lower the sales of those type cards.

 

And the bird who told Jay that the prices won't go down any further knew all this would happen. I hope we finally will see loads of used 3000 cards flooding the web coming weeks. This will certainly help Nvidia to see the light 🙂

 

NEWS

 2022-08-08 15:05 

NVIDIA announces weaker Q2 gaming GPU sales, now working with channel partners to adjust prices

Weaker sales are likely the results of cryptocurrency crash and post-COVID market with lower demand of PC hardware. Nice, and Nvidia said the miners was in minority buying their ampere graphics cards.

HA! sure sure, mining only had a minor impact in your revenues, uh huh! 33 - 44% DOWN. get outta here Nvidiots.... im super happy and annoyed while reading this, at the same time 😛 

[electrosoft]

43 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

HA! sure sure, mining only had a minor impact in your revenues, uh huh! 33 - 44% DOWN. get outta here Nvidiots.... im super happy and annoyed while reading this, at the same time 😛 

 

So true! They knew exactly who was buying a large portion of their cards. 🙂

 

A gamer wants one card on average maybe another one for an auxiliary rig.

 

Miners? As many as they could get world wide in every country.

 

Easy money sell pallets of GPUs directly to miners. I don't fault Nvidia and AIBs for maximizing profits but own it.