*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

 

😁

 

HECK YEAH! 🤘

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

GPU Shipments May Drop by 50%, Nvidia Braces for Long Winter Tomshardware.com | Yesterday

 

Nvidia also expects to take a big hit, thanks to both the post-pandemic drop in demand and the major cryptocurrency crash earlier this year. Taiwanese graphics card suppliers estimate their 2022 shipments will fall by between 40 - 50%, and sources cited by Digitimes say this will cause Nvidia's revenue to fall "at a pace beyond imagination." 

 

Digitimes should be one of the most reliable sources regarding news from tech industri.

 

Nvidia....................

 

 

AMD will steal more sales from Intel and Nvidia... They ride two horses (Cpu's/Gpu's). Hence they won't race down the drain in a pace as Nvidia and Intel. Welcome to reality.

 

 

 

ill have to repeat myself here: HECK YEAH! 🤘🤣

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Clamibot said:

I've learned over the past few months that AMD has been fixing their driver issues. Apparently their DX11 and OpenGL performance deficit vs Nvidia has been addressed, and they're now on par or nearly on par with Nvidia in most cases.

 

This is what was holding me back from getting an AMD GPU, but now I see no reason not to as there are no longer any downsides for me. I did more reseach on whether getting an AMD card over a Nvidia one would affect any productivity software I use, and it won't, so 6900 XT here I come!

 

Now to wait for the prices to drop further. I like making hackintoshes, so the 6900 XT will be a very good fit for my desktop.

The bigger issue I have had with AMD is lack of durability and reliability. Especially their GPUs are so fragile and prone to failure that the thought of spending my money on one is repulsive. I know it is possible that they have improved, but I have no evidence to suggest that it has, as a matter of fact, improved. The X570 and 5950X was a buggy mess, which didn't bolster my optimism about the brand. It the past 10 to 12 years I can only remember owning one NVIDIA GPU that failed prematurely and I have had about 8 or 9 AMD GPUs that were either defective, weak or died prematurely. Adding insult to injury, they also sucked at overclocking. I overclock the dog snot out of my NVIDIA GPUs and they are like a Timex watch... take a licking and keep on ticking. AMD drivers have always been an issue, but more of a secondary issue.

[ryan]

 

laptop was overheating.now golden im content...broke 9k and for a 115w part not bad at all temps at 85c cpu 69c gpu cpu at 3.7ghz gpu at 177/240 mhz oc

 

 

and after 7 months of og omen 16 gaming/benchmarking little dust ect

 

 

 

 

[Reciever]

19 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The bigger issue I have had with AMD is lack of durability and reliability. Especially their GPUs are so fragile and prone to failure that the thought of spending my money on one is repulsive. I know it is possible that they have improved, but I have no evidence to suggest that it has, as a matter of fact, improved. The X570 and 5950X was a buggy mess, which didn't bolster my optimism about the brand. It the past 10 to 12 years I can only remember owning one NVIDIA GPU that failed prematurely and I have had about 8 or 9 AMD GPUs that were either defective, weak or died prematurely. Adding insult to injury, they also sucked at overclocking. I overclock the dog snot out of my NVIDIA GPUs and they are like a Timex watch... take a licking and keep on ticking. AMD drivers have always been an issue, but more of a secondary issue.

My experience has been mixed. 

 

My 780m and 1080 have died and one of my rtx 3080's almost blew up, but my 5700xt is still pushing 325w with 0 issues but getting past the driver limitations is annoying on both teams.

 

That being said the AMD mobility lineup is probably deserving of the scorn, I only had the lighter side of AMD for MXM. M5100 and M6100 and both were able to overclock leagues ahead of its limitations with a vbios flash. That all being said there arent exactly the go-to GPU for gaming anymore. 

 

Each have their pro's / con's

[Papusan]

Buying a used mining GPU rewards the people who ruined PC gaming pcworld.com

 

Yep, but if you buy new cards you rewards Nvidia and it's partners as AIB and reatail shops. This is a choice between pest and Cholera. But if all people out there buy used cards, this will help to stop nvidia and its partners to max out profits. In th end if they can't sell all cards as hoped then we will see prices on new cards below MSRP. And they know whom bought up all the 3000 series cards with vram bigger than 4GB. Hence they tried offer cheapo card from old gens to the gamers that couldn't get the new Ampere cards. A rumored drop around 50% in sales will hurt them where it feels best. Let e'm all bleed money..... Both on 3000 and 4000 series cards.

 

Nvidia allegedly directly helping AIBs get rid of Ampere stock in exchange for "big pre-purchases" of RTX 40 series boards

 

Btw. New pict of the new old baby (GTX 650Ti@2GB). A real baby card. Only my Nvidia GT 705 OEM is smaller than this black beauty.  And as usual... No money to Nvidia. All black as usual bro @electrosoft 🙂 Yep even with a nice black PCB.

 

 

Yep, never repasted. I wonder what the temps will be with 10 years old thermal paste. The alu cooler is one of the smallest I have seen and even worse designed than anything you get in new modern Jokebooks.

 

Edit. The new old baby card in his new home for temp testing (10 years old paste).

[jaybee83]

speaking of gpu pricing, here an update from moore's law is dead. if youre in the market for a 30 series card hold out until late aug, thats when the final, real push downwards will come:

 

[electrosoft]

On 8/11/2022 at 6:15 PM, Mr. Fox said:

The bigger issue I have had with AMD is lack of durability and reliability. Especially their GPUs are so fragile and prone to failure that the thought of spending my money on one is repulsive. I know it is possible that they have improved, but I have no evidence to suggest that it has, as a matter of fact, improved. The X570 and 5950X was a buggy mess, which didn't bolster my optimism about the brand. It the past 10 to 12 years I can only remember owning one NVIDIA GPU that failed prematurely and I have had about 8 or 9 AMD GPUs that were either defective, weak or died prematurely. Adding insult to injury, they also sucked at overclocking. I overclock the dog snot out of my NVIDIA GPUs and they are like a Timex watch... take a licking and keep on ticking. AMD drivers have always been an issue, but more of a secondary issue.

 

6 hours ago, Reciever said:

My experience has been mixed. 

 

My 780m and 1080 have died and one of my rtx 3080's almost blew up, but my 5700xt is still pushing 325w with 0 issues but getting past the driver limitations is annoying on both teams.

 

That being said the AMD mobility lineup is probably deserving of the scorn, I only had the lighter side of AMD for MXM. M5100 and M6100 and both were able to overclock leagues ahead of its limitations with a vbios flash. That all being said there arent exactly the go-to GPU for gaming anymore. 

 

Each have their pro's / con's

 

I loved my Athlon and FX systems many years ago. I used them till they got outdated and switched back to Intel who had regained the lead.

 

I've used numerous ATI GPUs  in the past and used an AMD 5700xt for a solid year no problems. I just wanted to go 4k.

 

Laptop wise I used a pair of AMD 3000 and 4000 series cards in my Alienware M17. I also used a 6970m in one of them too no problems.

 

5800x was a disaster because of the USB issues and AMD slowly pulling back on boosts with subsequent Ageisa releases due to a combination of really no headroom and chips dying is my guess. Even with subsequent releases for USB issues, it came down to the individual AIBs to find solutions. That MSI X570 Tomahawk still gives me flashbacks...

 

I've had a few Nvidia cards die on me both mobile and desktop.

 

AMD seems to finally have gotten a leg up on their drivers architecture so we will see. FSR is a reality, DX11 has been extensively repaired.

 

I'd agree each has their pros and cons but when one or the other happens to have repeatedly Tybalted your Mercutio you in your situation, you tend to be wary....  😄 I'll probably never use another MSI AMD based board ever again.

 

 

[Reciever]

5 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

I loved my Athlon and FX systems many years ago. I used them till they got outdated and switched back to Intel who had regained the lead.

 

I've used numerous ATI GPUs  in the past and used an AMD 5700xt for a solid year no problems. I just wanted to go 4k.

 

Laptop wise I used a pair of AMD 3000 and 4000 series cards in my Alienware M17. I also used a 6970m in one of them too no problems.

 

5800x was a disaster because of the USB issues and AMD slowly pulling back on boosts with subsequent Ageisa releases due to a combination of really no headroom and chips dying is my guess. Even with subsequent releases for USB issues, it came down to the individual AIBs to find solutions. That MSI X570 Tomahawk still gives me flashbacks...

 

I've had a few Nvidia cards die on me both mobile and desktop.

 

AMD seems to finally have gotten a leg up on their drivers architecture so we will see. FSR is a reality, DX11 has been extensively repaired.

 

I'd agree each has their pros and cons but when one or the other happens to have repeatedly Tybalted your Mercutio you in your situation, you tend to be wary....  😄 I'll probably never use another MSI AMD based board ever again.

 

 

I still remember the a10 + 7970m travesty when I was looking for a used but gpu competent system maybe 8 years ago or so? That system probably sealed amd's date on the mobile side of things. 

 

That all being said if the only thing we care about is the actual king of performance that more or less tends to sit in Nvidia's camp but that used to mean I could get close enough for cheaper with amd. 

[electrosoft]

Anybody have recommendations on a good, solid inexpensive block for AM4? I'm going to go WC on the CPU and GPU for this build. Work out the build kinks / curve and have fun with a different build in every aspect.

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

Here's a nice pict of the small disgusting GPU heatsink. No pipes and only a small thin block of Alu. Aka no LM for this GPU. The cooling design for this 650 Ti is on level with what DELL's Thermal Engineering Technologist Travis North would prefer 😄Even the component choices is rigth out from Dell's tech bible, LOOL

 

 

 

Edit. First bench out from GTX 650 Ti.....

https://hwbot.org/submission/5059844_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_650_ti_495197_marks?recalculate=true

 

 

New fresh thermal paste didn't help much. Improved a bit only for idle clocks. I expect the wimpy thin small Alu heatsink block can't handle more heat tranfair from the Gpu die under full load. Aka the cooling is already fully saturated with heat and the fans can't remove it fast enouh from the block in full load. Yep, Dell cooling design at it worst. Cheapo and flawed.

[ryan]

27fps average in crysis remastered with 4k(dsr) everything maxed quality dlss

 

I found it unplayable and laggy, which is funny because I used to game at 30fps and found it smooth, now that I usually hit 90-144fps(max screen RR) I find anything under 60fps laggy....well 40 is alright but 60 seems to be the sweet spot still, I still don't notice a great deal going from say 60 fps to 120fps very minor but hey its better and thats all that matters.

[Mr. Fox]

Introducing "Half-Breed" as the newest member of the Fox menagerie. I call him that because the CPU is BGA filth and the GPU is standard MXM. The GPU is a Pascal Quadro with 16GB of GDDR5. It came with a single 16GB stick of Samsung DDR4-2400, so I ordered a matching module and slapped an 8GB stick of Samsung DDR4-2133 in one of the 3 open slots for dual channel while waiting for the matching stick to arrive. I also ordered another NVMe SSD so it will have two 1TB NVMe and one 2.5-inch 1TB SATA SSD.

 

Precision 17 7720 in full metal jacket. Very nice work machine except for the soldered CPU filth. Sucker is very heavy, good cooling system, just the way I want it. Not thin and light boiling pile of trash. I downgraded the BIOS from current year "security freak" performance-killling garbage to the oldest firmware version the BIOS would allow for version regression and disabled all of the ludicrous security nonsense in the BIOS (and, believe me when I say there is a crap ton of security cancer in there). I can't imagine living life in fear of the digital boogie man to that degree. It is a miracle a computer would actually make it through POST with the amount of security garbage available to choke it to death.

 

The Quadro P5000 is essentially a locked version of a 1080 with 16GB of VRAM.

 

Everyone gets a trophy for participation. All first place scores, but sole submissions, LOL.

Spoiler

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060076_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060078_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060080_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060082_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060084_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060085_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060087_

[jaybee83]

16 hours ago, Reciever said:

I still remember the a10 + 7970m travesty when I was looking for a used but gpu competent system maybe 8 years ago or so? That system probably sealed amd's date on the mobile side of things. 

 

That all being said if the only thing we care about is the actual king of performance that more or less tends to sit in Nvidia's camp but that used to mean I could get close enough for cheaper with amd. 

thats what next gen might be looking like. nvidia going insane all out with 800W board power to trump a super efficient and performant RDNA3 arch, which might be 5% behind but at like half the power usage AND much cheaper. interesting times ahead!

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Introducing "Half-Breed" as the newest member of the Fox menagerie. I call him that because the CPU is BGA filth and the GPU is standard MXM. The GPU is a Pascal Quadro with 16GB of GDDR5. It came with a single 16GB stick of Samsung DDR4-2400, so I ordered a matching module and slapped an 8GB stick of Samsung DDR4-2133 in one of the 3 open slots for dual channel while waiting for the matching stick to arrive. I also ordered another NVMe SSD so it will have two 1TB NVMe and one 2.5-inch 1TB SATA SSD.

 

Precision 17 7720 in full metal jacket. Very nice work machine except for the soldered CPU filth. Sucker is very heavy, good cooling system, just the way I want it. Not thin and light boiling pile of trash. I downgraded the BIOS from current year "security freak" performance-killling garbage to the oldest firmware version the BIOS would allow for version regression and disabled all of the ludicrous security nonsense in the BIOS (and, believe me when I say there is a crap ton of security cancer in there). I can't imagine living life in fear of the digital boogie man to that degree. It is a miracle a computer would actually make it through POST with the amount of security garbage available to choke it to death.

 

The Quadro P5000 is essentially a locked version of a 1080 with 16GB of VRAM.

 

Everyone gets a trophy for participation. All first place scores, but sole submissions, LOL.

  Reveal hidden contents

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060076_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060078_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060080_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060082_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060084_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060085_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060087_

 

oh wow thats an unusual config, BGA cpu, mxm gpu and THREE ram slots? way back in the day i used to own an Asus C90S that also sported three ram slots that were actually able to do asynchronous dual channel... that was actually the machine that got me into high perf mobile computing and also the reason why i registered at NBR 😁👌🏼

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

oh wow thats an unusual config, BGA cpu, mxm gpu and THREE ram slots? way back in the day i used to own an Asus C90S that also sported three ram slots that were actually able to do asynchronous dual channel... that was actually the machine that got me into high perf mobile computing and also the reason why i registered at NBR 😁👌🏼

No, it has 4 RAM slots.

[jaybee83]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

No, it has 4 RAM slots.

oooh im dumb, u slapped it into one of the three OPEN slots, gotcha 😃carry on!

[Mr. Fox]

20 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

oooh im dumb, u slapped it into one of the three OPEN slots, gotcha 😃carry on!

No worries. I figured I either didn't explain it well or you misunderstood.

 

A lot of things about this beast remind me of when Alienware used to make good products. I have only had it a few days, but I have had it apart and it's crazy good built quality. Actually even better than when Alienware sold good products. It's a shame it has a BGA CPU. I think the cooling system could support more CPU that it has and still run cooler than most of the idiotic trash notebooks being sold today. I think this one was released in 2017. 

 

The other thing that is weird now is the GPU is stronger and faster than a 980M (between 1070 and 1080 performance) but I am so used to my monster desktops, even the Tongfang turdbook with 2060 that I gave to Mrs. Fox, that it seems like an extremely weak GPU because I am so used to having a whole lot more horsepower. I am going to download Steam and see how it runs some game benchmarks. I anticipate most things will be pleasantly playable. But, I bought it for work (business travel only) and it ultimately doesn't need to. I just couldn't handle a tiny 15-inch laptop any more... totally miserable to me using such a small and cramped up machine. Using desktops 98% of the time makes using a 15-inch notebook 2% of the time all the more miserable.

[ryan]

I dont know if this is new news but I heard well read that the 4k series might be 40-30 percent more power efficient.not sure about the source, was just a random news feed on my phone

[Mr. Fox]

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I downgraded the BIOS from current year "security freak" performance-killling garbage to the oldest firmware version the BIOS would allow for version regression and disabled all of the ludicrous security nonsense in the BIOS (and, believe me when I say there is a crap ton of security cancer in there).

Well, I did some digging and figured out how to disable the idiotic anti-customer Plundervolt lockdown. So,  now the voltage is unlocked and there is a +6 bin all-core clock ratio unlock. That made for an instant performance boost and improved thermals.

[Papusan]

On 8/11/2022 at 6:44 PM, electrosoft said:

 

I've set my price at $600 for a 6900xt (or a touch more for a top end specialized model).

 

I'll slowly amass the pieces I want for my son in law's build. In the meantime he is renting a system from rent a center which I didn't even know rented PCs? I'll have to get over to their place and check it out and see exactly what they're offering up as a, "gaming" PC.

 

 

 

 

Still too much for old cards. But closer and closer your goal 🙂

AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT Graphics Cards Dip Below $700 tomshardware.com | Today

 

 

Isn't Plum Bonito ? Or the cheaper HotPink Bonefish more tempting?

 

[Mr. Fox]

35 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Still too much for old cards. But closer and closer your goal 🙂

AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT Graphics Cards Dip Below $700 tomshardware.com | Today

 

 

Isn't Plum Bonito ? Or the cheaper HotPink Bonefish more tempting?

 

If it drops to $300-$350 then I might buy one even though it is made by AMD. At that price, it would be compelling enough to gamble.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If it drops to $300-$350 then I might buy one even though it is made by AMD. At that price, it would be compelling enough to gamble.

I'm sure some (fanboys) will buy a old EOL AMD card if you aren't happy with it. I buy old cards bro Fox. Could be they would pay more than what you bought it for😀 

 

More results from the old....

https://hwbot.org/submission/5060579_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_580_55016_marks?recalculate=true

 

[Mr. Fox]

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, I did some digging and figured out how to disable the idiotic anti-customer Plundervolt lockdown. So,  now the voltage is unlocked and there is a +6 bin all-core clock ratio unlock. That made for an instant performance boost and improved thermals.

Definitely improved performance and thermals doing that stupid Plundervolt exploit protection removal. That never should have really been treated like a priority since it requires direct physical access to the hardware. But, I digress, since the tech industry as a whole is run by a self-anointed group of elite retards.

 

Here is a before/after snapshot of the improvement. 

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/28218183/fs/28223388#

Before

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After

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[ryan]

ok im building a desktop, this is faster than my timespy 3060 score by 200 percent but 1440p vs 4k. #unreal

 

https://gizmodo.com/nvidia-rtx-4090-benchmark-leak-performance-gains-power-1849194393

If this leak is accurate, the upcoming high-end GPU could boast 2x performance over its predecessor.

 

This is a single, nonspecific benchmark score, so you shouldn’t take it as gospel. However, the source has a clean track record and previous rumors have suggested that the forthcoming GPU could be capable of such significant gains. In fact, this same leaker wrote in May that the RTX 4090 can easily “achieve 2x performance” of the RTX 3090, and an even earlier rumor suggested we could be getting a 2.5x increase. Gamers hoping for the latter should still be interested by the rumored Time Spy Extreme score—a 2x boost is massive compared to the 10-20% performance gains we see in a typical refresh.

 

 

Nvidia is expected to launch next-gen GeForce RTX 40-series GPUs later this year, and now a new leak is giving us a sneak peek at the possible performance of these highly anticipated components. According to notable Twitter leaker @kopite7kimi, Nvidia’s upcoming RTX 4090 desktop GPU scored higher than 19,000 points on the 3DMark Time Spy Extreme synthetic benchmark test. If accurate, that makes the RTX 4090 the fastest Nvidia gaming card yet, nearly doubling the score of a standard RTX 3090 and topping the current leader, an LN2 cooled EVGA RTX 3090 Ti Kingpin Edition, by around 30%.

 

 

putting the 4090ti around 24000gpu

[electrosoft]

19 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Still too much for old cards. But closer and closer your goal 🙂

AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT Graphics Cards Dip Below $700 tomshardware.com | Today

 

 

Isn't Plum Bonito ? Or the cheaper HotPink Bonefish more tempting?

 

 

It's getting closer and closer.....

 

There was a +60 off code for that one too for a bit for $639.99.

 

If only eBay sellers of 6900xt and 6950xt could accept reality and realize how much they are going new and adjust accordingly.