Official Clevo X170KM-G Thread

[Clamibot]

On 6/30/2024 at 8:10 PM, NBTUser said:

Thanks for the information; does the XMG BIOS support XMP to be enabled?

 

I am asking because my current Sager BIOS does not have a 'XMP enabled' option. For reference, I have listed below the information on my Sager BIOS for my: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T]; along with an image of it.

BIOS(/laptop) manufacturer: Sager BIOS

BIOS make: Insyde

BIOS model: InsydeH2

BIOS version: 1.07.04LS1

KBC (Keyboard Controller)/EC (Embedded Controller) Version: 1.07.02

ME (Management Engine) FW (Firmware) Version: 15.0.21.1549

 

Sager BIOS - Insyde InsydeH2 BIOS - v1.07.04LS1:

 

That is great to hear that you're testing 4x32GB DDR4 32000MHz CL20 in your X170SM-G.

It's also good to hear that 4x16GB (64 GB) DDR4 32000MHz CL20 runs without problems in your other X170SM-G; thanks for the info.

For reference, I will also be testing: 32GB DDR4 3200 MHz CL20; in my Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T] laptop using: Kingston Fury Impact (2x32GB variation 1) [KF432S20IBK2/64]; first at 2x32GB (64 GB) then at 4x32GB (128 GB).

 

The first link and second link refer to the same SO-DIMM: Mushkin Enhanced Redline (2x32GB) [MRA4S320GJJM32GX2]. Note, the CAS Latency (CL) for this SO-DIMM is 16, but the individual timings are: 16-18-18-38; hence both the 16 and 18 figures referenced. For reference, the specifications for this SO-DIMM can be seen from the SO-DIMM link listed in my previous post by clicking on the 'Specs' tab in the middle of the page linked. For reference, this link has been relisted below.

Mushkin Enhanced Redline (2x32GB) [MRA4S320GJJM32GX2] Newegg Link: https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-64gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820992006

 

What is 'IMC'?

 

That's great to hear that 4x32GB DDR4 3200MHz CL20 RAM (Kingston) works in your X170SM-G. In looking over your images, it appears to confirm that the: Kingston Fury Impact (2x32GB variation 1) [KF432S20IBK2/64]; is dual rank; as your part number (KF3200C20S4/32GX) matches my part number.

Also in looking over the images, it looks like your laptop specifically is the zTecPC X170SM-G with PremaMod BIOS?

I am asking because I had heard that the zTecPC X170KM-G was supposed to have the PremaMod BIOS; although, I don't know if that BIOS mod was ever released. Does anyone know if the zTecPC X170KM-G Prema BIOS mod was ever released?

 

Thanks for the picture. I don't see that option in my Sager BIOS (InsydeH20 version 1.07.04LS1), so I don't think my BIOS supports/has 'XMP enabled' as an option.

 

Thanks for the guidance and luck; I followed the guidance and was able to complete the installation. 🙂

I'm happy to report that I successfully installed the: Kingston Fury Impact (2x32GB variation 1) [KF432S20IBK2/64]; in to my: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T]; laptop. For context, the BIOS in my laptop is the: Sager BIOS (InsydeH20 version 1.07.04LS1).

For reference, I have listed below the CPU-Z images for this laptop memory.

I also came across this helpful YouTube video showing how to change the two back SO-DIMM memory modules on a X170KM-G; I've linked this video below as a reference for others.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDveihNB6Nw

 

Thanks for the Amazon review; it is informative and appreciated.

Were you ever able to get XMP to be enabled on your X170KM-G (11th gen)? If so, how? Did you have to use a specific BIOS brand/version?

 

Thank you for the feedback on the: Crucial Ballistix 3200 MHz CL16 kit 2x16GB (32GB) [BL2K16G32C16S4B] modules; currently, I am only looking for SO-DIMM memory at: 32000MHz and 32 GB; single module with CL ratings less than CL22.

Does Crucial have a SO-DIMM memory module at: 3200 MHz 32GB (1x32GB) with a CL less than 22?

What laptop brand and what BIOS is your X170SM-G?

For context, it is my understanding that both the: X170SM-G and X170KM-G; at stock BIOS (from Clevo) do not support XMP. If this is not the case; please let me know.

 

My X170SM-G is from zTecpc and has the Premamod BIOS. I don't think the stock Clevo BIOS supports XMP either, just custom ones directly from specific vendors.

 

I don't think Crucial has a 32 GB SODIMM with a CAS latency less than 22. The only low latency kits I've seen have been from those with 16 GB or 8 GB modules.

[AkiraDuNod]

Hello,

 

I'm looking for a bios with xmp?

 

for x170km-g

 

THANKS

[kela-slk]

Can anyone tell how make backup OEM bios and EC Firmware?

[kela-slk]

And question for guru - i have 2 displays for x170KM , its 4k b173zan01 60hz perfect display UHD, and perfect 300HZ Full HD b173han05. Which is better? I can't decide which one is better. 

Can anyone write the advantages and disadvantages of both and which one you would choose for yourself.

Thanks 

[matyee]

It is relative,y easy… 4k better for everything but hardcore gaming, most specially FPS games… 4k far better from evey prespective, and for all around gaming with 60hz gsync is great. For quick games, multiplay fps it sucks 🙂

 

[kela-slk]

no more opinions or thoughts?

[kela-slk]

On 7/5/2024 at 5:36 PM, matyee said:

It is relative,y easy… 4k better for everything but hardcore gaming, most specially FPS games… 4k far better from evey prespective, and for all around gaming with 60hz gsync is great. For quick games, multiplay fps it sucks 🙂

 

Thanks for answering 😊 but need more peoples for review

[giltheone]

1 hour ago, kela-slk said:

Thanks for answering 😊 but need more peoples for review

 

I recommend you either search the thread for answers, or read through it --- I asked some questions before, only to later realize some of them had been answered in previous replies. I know it's a long read, and it took me two, or three, or maybe even four days to go through it, but I think you will find it worthwhile. Your questions about monitors are addressed in several places.

As for backing up the OEM BIOS, I have not seen anyone give a software version of doing so in this whole thread. You will likely need an eeprom reader and do it that way. Otherwise, the link with the Clevo BIOS I provided to you has the closest to the latest OEM BIOS --- but I don't know whether it will have options (like logos, or other artwork, for example) for every different manufacturer's X170KM-G motherboard, but it's essentially the same for all of them.

So other than using an eeprom reader to read the BIOS chips directly, I don't think you have an option to backup your particular machine's. You DON'T need to remove the chips, you just need some clips for the particular chips the motherboard has --- I haven't checked, but they're usually SOIC8 or SOP8, and the clips clamp on the terminals of the chips, though that may require a few tries.

[win32asmguy]

26 minutes ago, giltheone said:

As for backing up the OEM BIOS, I have not seen anyone give a software version of doing so in this whole thread. You will likely need an eeprom reader and do it that way. Otherwise, the link with the Clevo BIOS I provided to you has the closest to the latest OEM BIOS --- but I don't know whether it will have options (like logos, or other artwork, for example) for every different manufacturer's X170KM-G motherboard, but it's essentially the same for all of them.

 

You can use Intel FPTW to backup the BIOS. It needs to be the correct version corresponding to your Intel ME version. It can usually be obtained from the Win-Raid forums or bios packages provided by XMG (part of the ME update folders if I recall). I believe the EC can also be backed up via the same ITE command line tool that is used to update.

 

There is a good writeup about backing up the BIOS here:

 

https://brendangreenley.com/undervolting-2020-dell-laptops-like-the-vostro-7500-and-more-tips-to-improve-thermals-battery-life-and-speed/#cpu-undervolt

[giltheone]

19 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

You can use Intel FPTW to backup the BIOS. It needs to be the correct version corresponding to your Intel ME version. It can usually be obtained from the Win-Raid forums or bios packages provided by XMG (part of the ME update folders if I recall). I believe the EC can also be backed up via the same ITE command line tool that is used to update.

 

There is a good writeup about backing up the BIOS here:

 

https://brendangreenley.com/undervolting-2020-dell-laptops-like-the-vostro-7500-and-more-tips-to-improve-thermals-battery-life-and-speed/#cpu-undervolt

 

Thanks! This should come in handy. But will this work with any of the several OEM motherboards? Somewhere in the thread somebody posted that Origin PC's motherboards (for the EON17-X which is their version of the X170KM-G, and it's the one I have) may be slightly modified by them. (It was just one sentence in a paragraph in a post but I don't remember who wrote it.) I believe @kela-slk also has one of these Origin notebooks, and I think a couple of more people have also said they have one.

I will give the write-up a good read in any case.

I want to flash a different BIOS to be able to use 128GB of ram, but besides not having time to do recently as I've been using the computer, I am a tad reluctant to try it because if a new BIOS doesn't work, I may need to use an eeprom programmer to reflash the same BIOS I have now.

[win32asmguy]

1 hour ago, giltheone said:

Thanks! This should come in handy. But will this work with any of the several OEM motherboards? Somewhere in the thread somebody posted that Origin PC's motherboards (for the EON17-X which is their version of the X170KM-G, and it's the one I have) may be slightly modified by them. (It was just one sentence in a paragraph in a post but I don't remember who wrote it.) I believe @kela-slk also has one of these Origin notebooks, and I think a couple of more people have also said they have one.

I will give the write-up a good read in any case.

I want to flash a different BIOS to be able to use 128GB of ram, but besides not having time to do recently as I've been using the computer, I am a tad reluctant to try it because if a new BIOS doesn't work, I may need to use an eeprom programmer to reflash the same BIOS I have now.

 

Yes it works with any Intel motherboard.

 

Yes, usually the vendors do slightly customize their BIOS from Clevo.

 

If you do switch to the XMG BIOS you might be able to get your kits working. You may also need to pick up the OEM Samsung memory that they qualified for that BIOS as well. 128GB is honestly finicky to get working in any system especially without being able to apply extra VCCSA or other tricks usually used on enthusiast desktop boards. You may even find that one CPU may run the memory more stable than another, just simple because it has a better binned memory controller.

[Clamibot]

On 7/4/2024 at 3:39 PM, kela-slk said:

And question for guru - i have 2 displays for x170KM , its 4k b173zan01 60hz perfect display UHD, and perfect 300HZ Full HD b173han05. Which is better? I can't decide which one is better. 

Can anyone write the advantages and disadvantages of both and which one you would choose for yourself.

Thanks 

I'd always go for high refresh rate 1080p. 1080p resolution already looks good enough to me. Does 4K look better? Yes it does, but the jump in sharpness doesn't justify quadrupling the performance cost to get the same framerate as on a 1080p monitor in my opinion. I find the jump in visual fidelity going from 1080p to 4K to be smaller than the jump from 720p to 1080p. At 1080p, everything looks good enough already, and you'd be better served going for as high of a refresh rate as possible since that would do more to increase immersion than bumping your resolution higher than 1080p.

 

All of this is coming from someone who is a framerate junkie and is super sensitive to refresh rate. I prefer motion smoothness over resolution.

[1610ftw]

10 hours ago, kela-slk said:

Thanks for answering 😊 but need more peoples for review

 

For multipurpose Windows use the 4K screen with 150 DPI would be my choice but for any gaming with higher refresh rates you will not be happy.

 

So you need to decide if you have to game on the laptop itself - and which games you play - or if you can use an external display for gaming and then decide accordingly.

 

Personally I would go with the QHD 165Hz and if that is important to you you may want to try and find an option that also gives you GSync although at that resolution/refresh GSync may not be that much of an issue.

 

The 165Hz QHD screen has a number of advantages imo:

• Refresh rate is high but not excessively so
• it does not need calibration to look good as it is SRGB only which makes for more natural colors (no oversaturation)
• it can be run at 100% with no scaling and therefore it is compatible with a wide range of operating systems
• as an aftermarket modification it can be had for very cheap over here in Europe and I guess elsewhere, too

As I said above my second choice would be the 4K screen and the third would be the 1080p screen. 

 

 

 

[kela-slk]

thanks all for answers! I still can't decide on which display to use. I only play World of Tanks and maybe call of duty in the future. I just have two laptops and I don’t know which one to keep and which one to sell))) on one 300 Hz full HD on the other 4k 60Hz. on 4k games in full resolutions have low fps than on full hd, but RGB colours and DPI better in 4k

[NBTUser]

As mentioned, I have upgraded my laptop: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T]; to 128GB (4x32GB) using: 2x Kingston Fury Impact (2x32GB variation 1) [KF432S20IBK2/64]; for a total of 4x32GB of Kingston Fury Impact memory specced at: 3200MHz CL 20 Dual Rank. For reference, see my two previous posts back for the details/listing of this memory used.

 

128GB Memory Validation - BIOS:

 

128GB Memory Validation - CPU-Z:

 

Observations at 64GB upgrade:

A) Installation observations:

On initially performing the first upgrade from: 2x16GB @ 3200MHz; to: 2x32GB @ 3200 MHz CL 20 Dual Ranked; I upgraded the two rear SO-DIMM slots located on the back of the laptop. Courtesy of @MaxxD, I followed the advice with static resistant gloves and made the upgrade. When I booted the laptop after the first upgrade I got a black screen which I then just held the power button down, waited for it to turn off completely, and then let it boot in to windows. Afterwards, I shut it down properly and checked the BIOS and the memory was there and validated.

 

B) Performance observations:

I noticed a doubling in response time. Specifically, response time meaning how fast my laptop would respond to opening memory intensive programs especially browsers with large amounts of tabs including memory intensive tabs such as YouTube/Netflix videos. I also noticed a slight decrease in how hot the CPU would get as well as a slight increase in CPU performance.

 

Observations at 128GB upgrade:

A) Installation observations:

On finally performing the second upgrade from: 2x32GB @ 3200 MHz CL 20 Dual Ranked; to: 4x32GB @ 3200 MHz CL 20 Dual Ranked; I upgraded the two front SO-DIMM slots located on the front of the laptop underneath the keyboard. This upgrade was much more difficult due to how difficult these two SO-DIMM slots were to access. I ended up having to look up a X170KM-G Service Manual for upgrade/disassembly in order to figure out how to do this (manual linked below). Via the X170KM-G Service Manual, I followed the steps with static resistant gloves and made the upgrade. When I booted the laptop after the second upgrade I got a black screen for over 2-4 minutes, I then just held the power button down, waited for it to turn off completely, and then tried to restart it with another black screen for 5-10 minutes. I then help the down the button, and once off, removed the battery, then replaced the battery and booted, the laptop had a black screen for 1 minute but finally booted into the Sager logo. I hit F2, got into the initial BIOS menu, went into the BIOS settings, and observed the 128 GB memory had posted and was validated via the BIOS.

 

B) Performance observations:

I noticed a near doubling in the response time at 128GB as compared to 64GB. There was very little difference in response time delay whether opening a memory intensive program as compared to a non-memory intensive program. In fact, I struggled to find any program that could really tax the memory and "slow" the laptop down. Some interesting observations, on the first couple of boots after the first stable boot I noticed flickering in my external quad 1080P monitor setup which went away by the next day. I also noticed this same flickering when I docked it into my: double 1080P plus single 1440P; monitor setup elsewhere which also went away the next day. I also noticed slight random hesitations/response delays (maybe once every 10 min.) in response time on the same day I upgraded (after I upgraded). These hesitations/response delays were in the form of: the mouse cursor being unresponsive and windows/tabs being delayed in being maximized/minimized or delay in which tab was on top; this continued on to mid-way through the next day and then disappeared. I believe this was related to what is termed 'memory training' that seems to come up when doing large memory upgrades. In my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, essentially the system (laptop in this case) has to get used to this capacity of memory by internally configuring itself for the best performance which may take some time (2 days in my case). For reference, I've linked some posts on memory training below.

128GB Upgrade Conclusion:

Although the memory has been validated from: BIOS and CPU-Z; I still would like to do some more memory testing.

Would there be any applications you guys would suggest for additional memory testing to get a better idea at how this: 128GB (4x32GB) 3200 MHz CL 20 Dual Ranked; memory is performing?

For reference, I’ve heard of the ‘MemTest’ application, but I’m not familiar with it.

 

Memory Training Posts:

Link 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/7z4cza/what_is_memory_training_does_it_really_work/
Link 2: https://hardforum.com/threads/memory-training-someone-explain-it-to-me-im-an-idiot.1960127/
Link 3: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/upgrading-ram-training-needed.3844192/

 

X170KM-G Service Manual:

X170KM-G Service Manual Link: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/2518243/Clevo-X170km-G.html

 

Laptop: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T]

BIOS(/laptop) manufacturer: Sager BIOS

BIOS make: Insyde

BIOS model: InsydeH2

BIOS version: 1.07.04LS1

KBC (Keyboard Controller)/EC (Embedded Controller) Version: 1.07.02

ME (Management Engine) FW (Firmware) Version: 15.0.21.1549

 

On 7/1/2024 at 8:32 AM, MaxxD said:

Yes, it works without any problems.
The zTecpc machine has Prema BIOS, but the PCSpecialist machine has their own BIOS.
There I noticed that XMP automatically detects and applies it!

In the case of an i5-10400F CPU, the 3200MHz CL20 RAM runs at 2666MHz CL17.
In the case of i9-10900K, the memory runs at 3200MHz (It automatically detects and sets it!)

 

What is IMC? 🙂

"Integrated Memory Controller" (IMC)

 

UI:

As far as I know, the Prema BIOS was not completed for the X170KM-G machine and was only completed and tested for the X170SM-G machine, it works 100% perfectly.

Thanks for the information. Since the PCSpecialist X170SM-G BIOS enabled XMP; maybe the PCSpecialist X170KM-G enables XMP as well? Would anyone happen to have the PCSpecialist BIOS for the X170KM-G?

 

On 7/2/2024 at 2:58 PM, Clamibot said:

 

My X170SM-G is from zTecpc and has the Premamod BIOS. I don't think the stock Clevo BIOS supports XMP either, just custom ones directly from specific vendors.

 

I don't think Crucial has a 32 GB SODIMM with a CAS latency less than 22. The only low latency kits I've seen have been from those with 16 GB or 8 GB modules.

Thanks for the information.

 

On 7/9/2024 at 8:12 PM, giltheone said:

 

I recommend you either search the thread for answers, or read through it --- I asked some questions before, only to later realize some of them had been answered in previous replies. I know it's a long read, and it took me two, or three, or maybe even four days to go through it, but I think you will find it worthwhile. Your questions about monitors are addressed in several places.

As for backing up the OEM BIOS, I have not seen anyone give a software version of doing so in this whole thread. You will likely need an eeprom reader and do it that way. Otherwise, the link with the Clevo BIOS I provided to you has the closest to the latest OEM BIOS --- but I don't know whether it will have options (like logos, or other artwork, for example) for every different manufacturer's X170KM-G motherboard, but it's essentially the same for all of them.

So other than using an eeprom reader to read the BIOS chips directly, I don't think you have an option to backup your particular machine's. You DON'T need to remove the chips, you just need some clips for the particular chips the motherboard has --- I haven't checked, but they're usually SOIC8 or SOP8, and the clips clamp on the terminals of the chips, though that may require a few tries.

Has someone already made an archive of all the various hardware resellers' BIOSs for the Clevo X170KM-G? For reference, I have listed below all the hardware variations that I am aware of; thanks to @electrosoft for their hardware listings on the first page of this thread.

 

Hardware Reseller - Model [Region]:

Sager - NP9672M-G0/1 [USA] (0/1 denotes Intel 10th/11th Gen)

XOTIC PC - G170KM-G [USA]

HIDevolution - EVOC X1702* [USA] (* denotes various hardware options; including: 'F'/‘O’ for 10th/11th gen)

Hyperbook - GTR [USA]

Origin PC - EON17-X X170KM [USA]

Eluktronics - THICC-17 [USA]

zTecPC - zT-X170KM-G

PCSpecialist - Recoil-V-17 [UK]

Eurocom - Sky Z7 R2 [Canada]

Schenker XMG - Ultra 17 [Europe]

Dream Machines - X170KM-G [Europe]

Metabox - Prime-X [Australia]

 

On 7/9/2024 at 8:45 PM, win32asmguy said:

 

You can use Intel FPTW to backup the BIOS. It needs to be the correct version corresponding to your Intel ME version. It can usually be obtained from the Win-Raid forums or bios packages provided by XMG (part of the ME update folders if I recall). I believe the EC can also be backed up via the same ITE command line tool that is used to update.

 

There is a good writeup about backing up the BIOS here:

 

https://brendangreenley.com/undervolting-2020-dell-laptops-like-the-vostro-7500-and-more-tips-to-improve-thermals-battery-life-and-speed/#cpu-undervolt

For clarification, will the Intel FPTW utility allow me to backup my BIOS, Insyde 1.07.04LS1, without the use of an eeprom reader?

Will it also allow to me backup the: KBC (Keyboard Controller)/EC (Embedded Controller) and ME (Management Engine) FW (Firmware)? For reference, I have listed my laptop model and BIOS information below.

 

Laptop: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T]

BIOS(/laptop) manufacturer: Sager BIOS

BIOS make: Insyde

BIOS model: InsydeH2

BIOS version: 1.07.04LS1

KBC (Keyboard Controller)/EC (Embedded Controller) Version: 1.07.02

ME (Management Engine) FW (Firmware) Version: 15.0.21.1549

 

On 7/9/2024 at 9:18 PM, giltheone said:

 

Thanks! This should come in handy. But will this work with any of the several OEM motherboards? Somewhere in the thread somebody posted that Origin PC's motherboards (for the EON17-X which is their version of the X170KM-G, and it's the one I have) may be slightly modified by them. (It was just one sentence in a paragraph in a post but I don't remember who wrote it.) I believe @kela-slk also has one of these Origin notebooks, and I think a couple of more people have also said they have one.

I will give the write-up a good read in any case.

I want to flash a different BIOS to be able to use 128GB of ram, but besides not having time to do recently as I've been using the computer, I am a tad reluctant to try it because if a new BIOS doesn't work, I may need to use an eeprom programmer to reflash the same BIOS I have now.

Would you be able to tell if the Origin PC's motherboards were slightly modified by comparing drivers to another manufacturer's? For reference, I have listed the Origin PC's EON17-X X170KM-G drivers and the Sager Notebook NP9672M-G0 drivers.

Origin PC EON17-X X170KM-G: https://support.originpc.com/hc/en-us/articles/23433172227341-EON17-X-X170KM-Drivers

Sager Notebook NP9672M-G0: https://www.sagernotebook.com/drivers.php?cat=776
 

On 7/9/2024 at 11:24 PM, win32asmguy said:

 

Yes it works with any Intel motherboard.

 

Yes, usually the vendors do slightly customize their BIOS from Clevo.

 

If you do switch to the XMG BIOS you might be able to get your kits working. You may also need to pick up the OEM Samsung memory that they qualified for that BIOS as well. 128GB is honestly finicky to get working in any system especially without being able to apply extra VCCSA or other tricks usually used on enthusiast desktop boards. You may even find that one CPU may run the memory more stable than another, just simple because it has a better binned memory controller.

Would you happen to have the model number and link to the OEM Samsung memory qualified for that X170KM-G BIOS? Specifically, is that memory qualified to run at 128GB (4x32GB)?

 

EDIT: Images fixed for easier viewability.

[MaxxD]

9 hours ago, NBTUser said:

As mentioned, I have upgraded my laptop: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T]; to 128GB (4x32GB) using: 2x Kingston Fury Impact (2x32GB variation 1) [KF432S20IBK2/64]; for a total of 4x32GB of Kingston Fury Impact memory specced at: 3200MHz CL 20 Dual Rank. For reference, see my two previous posts back for the details/listing of this memory used.

 

128GB Memory Validation - BIOS:

 

128 GB Memory Validation - CPU-Z:

 

Observations at 64GB upgrade:

A) Installation observations:

On initially performing the first upgrade from: 2x16GB @ 3200MHz; to: 2x32GB @ 3200 MHz CL 20 Dual Ranked; i upgraded the two rear SO-DIMM slots located on the back of the laptop. Courtesy of @MaxxD, I followed the advice with static resistant gloves and made the upgrade. When I booted the laptop after the first upgrade I got a black screen which I then just held the power button down, waited for it to turn off completely, and then let it boot in to windows. Afterwards, I shut it down properly and checked the BIOS and the memory was there and validated.

 

B) Performance observations:

I noticed a doubling in response time. Specifically, response time meaning how fast my laptop would respond to opening memory intensive programs especially browsers with large amounts of tabs including memory intensive tabs such as YouTube/Netflix videos. I also noticed a decrease in how hot the CPU would get as well as a slight increase in CPU performance.

 

Observations at 128GB upgrade:

A) Installation observations:

On finally performing the second upgrade from: 2x32GB @ 3200 MHz CL 20 Dual Ranked; to: 4x32GB @ 3200 MHz CL 20 Dual Ranked; I upgraded the two front SO-DIMM slots located on the front of the laptop underneath the keyboard. This upgrade was much more difficult due to how difficult these two SO-DIMM slots were to access. I ended up having to look up a X170KM-G Service Manual for upgrade/disassembly in order to figure out how to do this (manual linked below). Via the X170KM-G Service Manual, I followed the steps with static resistant gloves and made the upgrade. When I booted the laptop after the second upgrade I got a black screen for over 2-4 minutes, I then just held the power button down, waited for it to turn off completely, and then tried to restart it with another black screen for 5-10 minutes. I then help the down the button, and once off, removed the battery, then replaced the battery and booted, the laptop had a black screen for 1 minute but finally booted into the Sager logo. I hit F2, got into the initial BIOS menu, went into the BIOS settings, and observed the 128 GB memory had posted and was validated via the BIOS.

 

B) Performance observations:

I noticed a near doubling in the response time at 128GB as compared to 64GB. There was very little difference in response time delay whether opening a memory intensive program as compared to a non-memory intensive program. In fact, I struggled to find any program that could really tax the memory and "slow" the laptop down. Some interesting observations, on the first couple of boots after the first stable boot I noticed flicking in my external quad 1080P monitor setup which went away by the next day. I also noticed this same flickering when I docked it into my: double 1080P plus single 1440P; monitor setup elsewhere which also went away the next day. I also noticed slight random hesitations/response delays (maybe once every 10 min.) in response time on the same day I upgraded (after I upgraded). These hesitations/response delays were in the form of: the mouse cursor being unresponsive and windows/tabs being delayed in being maximized/minimized or delay in which tab was on top; this continued on to mid-way through the next day and then disappeared. I believe this was related to what is termed 'memory training' that seems to come up when doing large memory upgrades. In my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, essentially the system (laptop in this case) has to get used to this capacity of memory by internally configuring itself for the best performance which may take some time (2 days in my case). For reference, I've linked some posts on memory training below.

Conclusion:

Although the memory has been validated from: BIOS and CPU-Z; I still would like to do some more memory testing.

Would there be any applications you guys would suggest for additional memory testing to get a better idea at how this: 128GB (4x32GB) 3200 MHz CL 20 Dual Ranked; memory is performing?

For reference, I’ve heard of the ‘MemTest’ application, but I’m not familiar with it.

 

Memory Training Posts:

Link 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/7z4cza/what_is_memory_training_does_it_really_work/
Link 2: https://hardforum.com/threads/memory-training-someone-explain-it-to-me-im-an-idiot.1960127/
Link 3: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/upgrading-ram-training-needed.3844192/

 

X170KM-G Service Manual:

X170KM-G Service Manual Link: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/2518243/Clevo-X170km-G.html

 

Laptop: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T]

BIOS(/laptop) manufacturer: Sager BIOS

BIOS make: Insyde

BIOS model: InsydeH2

BIOS version: 1.07.04LS1

KBC (Keyboard Controller)/EC (Embedded Controller) Version: 1.07.02

ME (Management Engine) FW (Firmware) Version: 15.0.21.1549

 

Thanks for the information. Since the PCSpecialist X170SM-G BIOS enabled XMP; maybe the PCSpecialist X170KM-G enables XMP as well? Would anyone happen to have the PCSpecialist BIOS for the X170KM-G?

 

Thanks for the information.

 

Has someone already made an archive of all the various hardware resellers' BIOSs for the Clevo X170KM-G? For reference, I have listed below all the hardware variations that I am aware of:

 

Hardware Reseller - Model [Region]:

Sager - NP9672M-G0/1 [USA] (0/1 denotes Intel 10th/11th Gen)

XOTIC PC - G170KM-G [USA]

HIDevolution - EVOC X1702* [USA] (* denotes various hardware options; including: 'F'/‘O’ for 10th/11th gen)

Hyperbook - GTR [USA]

Origin PC - EON17-X X170KM [USA]

Eluktronics - THICC-17 [USA]

zTecPC - zT-X170KM-G

PCSpecialist - Recoil-V-17 [UK]

Eurocom - Sky Z7 R2 [Canada]

Schenker XMG - Ultra 17 [Europe]

Dream Machines - X170KM-G [Europe]

Metabox - Prime-X [Australia]

 

For clarification, will the Intel FPTW utility allow me to backup my BIOS, Insyde 1.07.04LS1, without the use of an eeprom reader?

Will it also allow to me backup the: KBC (Keyboard Controller)/EC (Embedded Controller) and ME (Management Engine) FW (Firmware)? For reference, I have listed my laptop model and BIOS information below.

 

Laptop: Sager NP9672M-G0 (Clevo X170KM-G) [Intel i9-10850K (10C/20T]

BIOS(/laptop) manufacturer: Sager BIOS

BIOS make: Insyde

BIOS model: InsydeH2

BIOS version: 1.07.04LS1

KBC (Keyboard Controller)/EC (Embedded Controller) Version: 1.07.02

ME (Management Engine) FW (Firmware) Version: 15.0.21.1549

 

Would you be able to tell if the Origin OC's motherboards were slightly modified by comparing drivers to another manufacturer's? For reference, I have listed the Origin PC's EON17-X X170KM-G drivers and the Sager Notebook NP9672M-G0 drivers.

Origin PC EON17-X X170KM-G: https://support.originpc.com/hc/en-us/articles/23433172227341-EON17-X-X170KM-Drivers

Sager Notebook NP9672M-G0: https://www.sagernotebook.com/drivers.php?cat=776
 

Would you happen to have the model number and link to the OEM Samsung memory qualified for that X170KM-G BIOS? Specifically, is that memory qualified to run at 128GB (4x32GB)?

 

If the memory is messed up, it is completely normal for the screen to be black after switching on. If you don't remember, it is recommended to replace the 2 modules in the DIMM socket. Then ~20 sec again and there will be a picture. This is completely normal.😉

 

I noticed a slight slowdown during the operation of the machine, but this will also be fixed.✌️

[MiRaGe]

Hi guys,

I got my hands on one X170KM for my second home with the following specs:

 

11700KF

3080

32GB KPX 3200 RAM

512GB Samsung 970 Evo Plus

 

my question is how to set the RAMs at 3200MHz? They are recognized at 2667Mhz…

The bios version is 1.7.07

EC version 1.7.03

 

Edit: I got it sorted out 😊

strange the TimeSpy scores are worse at 3200 CL20 than 2667 CL19 (10700 vs 11400)

[kela-slk]

people, free distribution of cool video cards. I've already bought three for myself. no thanks 😉

RTX2070 Super 8 GB .

Price is almost FREE

 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/116226067001?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=cGV6HfrLRee&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=njTTVKLmQ8i&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

 

[MaxxD]

23 hours ago, kela-slk said:

people, free distribution of cool video cards. I've already bought three for myself. no thanks 😉

RTX2070 Super 8 GB .

Price is almost FREE

 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/116226067001?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=cGV6HfrLRee&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=njTTVKLmQ8i&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

 

 

It would be a good deal, but it only delivers to America, unfortunately not to the EU!☝️🤨😞

[zex4]

Only 60$ never saw something like that....fells like buying 2tb usb sticks on temu when i saw that price 😅

[incendery]

can't confirm if the cards themselves work but I have had 3 get delivered to a friend in the US, they aren't a scam so far!
time will tell if they are duds or not

[MiRaGe]

What do you think of this result , guys?

 

 

[MaxxD]

5 hours ago, MiRaGe said:

What do you think of this result , guys?

 

 

 

Totally good! ☝️✌️

How does the OC handle it? Isn't that a bit much? You could do that with me too, but it can't be pulled that far, unfortunately...🤗😋

[MiRaGe]

My best try so far:

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 (notebook) video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-11700KF Processor,Notebook X170KM-G (3dmark.com)

[MaxxD]

1 hour ago, MiRaGe said:

My best try so far:

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 (notebook) video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-11700KF Processor,Notebook X170KM-G (3dmark.com)

 

I'm not far behind that. This calms me down and makes me happy. Thanks! I have an SM-G machine, the difference is only a few hundred points!🤗