Vasudev Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) This thread will serve as a guide for new comers to the forum and will possibly reduce the time reading through long never ending threads. TL.DR; This will guide in choosing the best thermal paste that suits you. Well Known Brands: Thermal Grizzly (aka TG) Coollaboratory (aka CLL) Phobya Gelid Prolimatech IC Diamond Cooler Master Honeywell Roman aka Der8auer rants about misleading W/mK values used for marketing thermal paste. Thanks @Papusan Phase Change Thermal Pad: PTM7950 Phase Change Thermal Pad: 8.5 W/mK [Thanks to @Papusan @Rofa1234] Traditional Paste: [No specific order] TG Kryonaut Extreme: 14.2 W/mK replacing TG Kyronaut [Thanks to Papusan and @solidus1983] Phobya NanoGrease Extreme 16 W/mK { Thanks Mr.Fox} Gelid Extreme 8.5 W/mK ICD 7: 4.5 W/mK Prolimatech PK3: 11.2 W/mK Cooler Master MasterGel Maker : 11 W/mK [ Thanks bloodhawk] Cooler Master CryoFuze: 14 W/mK Thermalright TFX: 14.3 W/mK Kingpin Cooling KPx Thermalright TF8: 13.8 W/mK Liquid Metal Pastes:[No specific order] TG Conductonaut *: 73 W/mK Coollaboratory Ultra or Pro *: 68 W/mK [Thanks Papusan ] Phobya LM *: 40 W/mK [Thanks Papusan ] Thermalright Silver King*: 79W/mK [Thanks Papusan ] _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Sorry this is non exhaustive list. * indicates important notes whilst the use of metal paste. Heat sink must be copper The surface of heatsink and cpu/gpu must be clean to provide even contact because metal paste will fill the air gap like a thin film The surface have to be completely flat, and the contact between the heatsink and the die have to be PERFECT ( minimum gap between both) { credit to judal57 for this} Tape the outer die of CPU or GPU to avoid spillage due to over-application of paste Use spatula paint brush or similar, to even out the paste on the die and apply remaining paste on the heat sink (Thanks to Papusan) Added Papusan's firment guide on custom IHS. Link to guide @Rofa1234's detailed thermal paste testing results: So here are my results. This is the average degrees of 4 cores+ambient temperature correction (between 0.0-1.0 degrees). I will add detailed core and ambient temperatures later on. Too much for now Spoiler Thermalright TFX-----------------------------83.65 (83/83/83/84 ambient 24.6) Coolermaster CryoFuze-------------------83.85 (83/83/84/83 ambient 24.4) FuzeIce Plus----------------------------------84.10 (83/83/84/84 ambient 24.4) Deepcool G40-------------------------------84.30 (83/83/84/84 ambient 24.2) SYY-157---------------------------------------84.45 (83/84/84/84 ambient 24.3) Akasa T5 ProGrade Plus------------------84.65 (85/83/84/83 ambient 24.1) Alpenföhn Permafrost 2--------------------84.90 (85/84/85/84 ambient 24.6) Coolermaster MasterGel Maker------------85.00 (85/84/85/84 ambient 24.5) Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut------------------85.25 (85/84/85/85 ambient 24.5) Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme--------85.45 (85/84/86/84 ambient 24.3) Deepcool Z10---------------------------------85.50 (85/84/84/85 ambient 24.0) Deepcool EX750-----------------------------85.55 (85/84/85/85 ambient 24.2) Noctua NT-H2--------------------------------85.65 (86/84/86/85 ambient 24.6) Phanteks PH-NDC--------------------------85.65 (85/84/86/86 ambient 24.6) Thermalright TF7---------------------------85.95 (85/86/85/85 ambient 24.3) Thermalright TF8---------------------------86.15 (86/86/86/85 ambient 24.6) IC Diamond 24-----------------------------86.35 (86/86/86/85 ambient 24.4) Cryorig CP5---------------------------------86.60 (86/86/86/86 ambient 24.4) Maxtor CTG8--------------------------------86.85 (87/86/87/85 ambient 24.4) G-MOTIONS GM-850----------------------86.95 (86/86/86/87 ambient 24.3) Genesis Silicon 851-----------------------87.50 (87/87/87/87 ambient 24.5) Prolimatech PK-3 Nano------------------87.65 (88/87/87/87 ambient 24.6) KRYO 33--------------------------------------87.70 (87/87/87/87 ambient 24.3) Be Quiet DC1-------------------------------88.10 (87/87/88/88 ambient 24.4) Zalman-STC8------------------------------88.10 (88/87/88/87 ambient 24.4) IONZ IZP14---------------------------------88.15 (87/87/88/87 ambient 24.1) Akasa 5026---------------------------------88.30 (88/88/88/88 ambient 24.7) Gelid GC-Extreme blue-----------------88.35 (88/88/89/88 ambient 24.9) MARS Gaming MT1----------------------88.40 (88/88/88/88 ambient 24.6) Akasa 5022--------------------------------88.50 (89/88/88/87 ambient 24.5) Shin-Etsu G751--------------------------89.20 (89/88/89/88 ambient 24.3) Arctic MX-4---------------------------------89.25 (89/88/90/90 ambient 25.0) Gelid GC-PRO---------------------------89.35 (89/88/90/88 ambient 24.4) JunPus JP-DX1-------------------------90.00 (89/89/89/91 ambient 24.5) Phobya NanoGrease Extreme-------90.25 (90/89/90/90 ambient 24.5) Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut-----------91.10 (92/89/92/91 ambient 24.9) Arctic MX-5---------------------------------91.20 (92/90/91/91 ambient 24.8) Gelid GC-Extreme yellow---------------91.35 (92/90/92/91 ambient 24.9) EVGA Frostbite 2--------------------------91.45 (92/89/92/90 ambient 24.3) OSGEAR TC128-2-------------------------91.85 (92/90/91/92 ambient 24.4) Halnziye HY-A9------------------------------91.95 (93/90/91/91 ambient 24.3) Akasa Essential T5-----------------------92.25 (92/92/91/92 ambient 24.5) Antec Formula X--------------------------92.80 (93/92/92/91 ambient 24.2) Shin-Etsu X23-7783D--------------------93.15 (94/92/92/91 ambient 24.1) Foshan GD900----------------------------93.75 (94/94/92/93 ambient 24.3) Zalman-STC9-----------------------------94.40 (94/94/94/94 ambient 24.6) Halnziye HY883----------------------------97.25 (99/95/99/96 ambient 25.0) Halnziye HY810------------------------------99.75 (100/98/100/99 ambient 24.5) Edited October 2 by Vasudev added thermalright TF8 as per Papusan's suggestion 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidus1983 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 You can add Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme to that list currently running that stuff right now, its pink instead of grey! Spec Sheet: https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/images/downloads/TG-Datasheet-KryonautExtreme-EN.pdf Product Page: https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/products/359-kryonaut-extreme-en Rating: 14,2 W/m*K 1 {Main System:} The Beast Spoiler {Cooling:} Corsair H170i Elite {Mainboard:} Asrock X670E Pro {CPU/GPU:} AMD Ryzen R9 7900x3D / AMD RX 7900 XTX (Asrock Phantom) {RAM/Storage:} 2x 16GB DDR5 Corsair Vengeance 6400MT/s , 13TB WDD SN850X 2x4TB, 2x 2TB, 1x 1TB {PSU/Case:} Corsair RM 1000x V2, Corsair 7000D Airflow (Black) {OS:} Windows 11 Pro Realtek Nahimic 3 Modded Driver for MSI Systems:Latest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasudev Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 12 hours ago, solidus1983 said: You can add Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme to that list currently running that stuff right now, its pink instead of grey! Spec Sheet: https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/images/downloads/TG-Datasheet-KryonautExtreme-EN.pdf Product Page: https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/products/359-kryonaut-extreme-en Rating: 14,2 W/m*K Is it better than older Kryonaut and has reduced pumpout on BGA with super heavy copper heatsinks (pun intended 😂)? @Papusan@Mr. Fox Do you recommend replacing thermal paste brands/variants in OP with new versions and also thermal pads/metal pads/carbon sheets? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 18 minutes ago, Vasudev said: Is it better than older Kryonaut and has reduced pumpout on BGA with super heavy copper heatsinks (pun intended 😂)? @Papusan@Mr. Fox Do you recommend replacing thermal paste brands/variants in OP with new versions and also thermal pads/metal pads/carbon sheets? Hi Vasu. Add in TG Kryonaut Extreme - 14,2 W/m*K (I would remove the standard Kryonaut from the list). Thermalrigh TFX - 14,3 W/m*K Coolermaster CRYOFUZE - 14W/m*K Kingpin Cooling KPx For Liquid metal... Add in Thermalrigh Silver King 79W/m*K Thanks🙂 3 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidus1983 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Yeah Kryonaut Extreme performs much better then Kryonuat, also much more cleaner. I purchased a small amount at first and it was so much better i purchased a tub of it. I might when funds are available after upgrades do a shoot out as some of the pastes in the 14W/m*k range or above has peeked my interest. As for ICD i would take that out CPU Dies and IHS's will thank you for that. {Main System:} The Beast Spoiler {Cooling:} Corsair H170i Elite {Mainboard:} Asrock X670E Pro {CPU/GPU:} AMD Ryzen R9 7900x3D / AMD RX 7900 XTX (Asrock Phantom) {RAM/Storage:} 2x 16GB DDR5 Corsair Vengeance 6400MT/s , 13TB WDD SN850X 2x4TB, 2x 2TB, 1x 1TB {PSU/Case:} Corsair RM 1000x V2, Corsair 7000D Airflow (Black) {OS:} Windows 11 Pro Realtek Nahimic 3 Modded Driver for MSI Systems:Latest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpro69 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Does anyone have a good "how to apply thermal paste" guide? I did it once or twice long time ago. Been thinking lately that maybe now is a good time to re-paste all my hardware, so I'd rather do it the right way. GitHub Currently and formerly owned laptops (specs below): Serenity -> Dell Precision 5560 N-1 -> Dell Precision 5560 (my lady's) Razor Crest -> Lenovo ThinkPad P16 (work) Millenium Falcon -> Dell Precision 5530 (work) Axiom -> Lenovo ThinkPad P52 (work) Moldy Crow -> Dell XPS 15 9550 Spoiler Senenity / N-1: Dell Precision 5560 i7-11800H CPU 1x32 GB DDR4 2,666 MHz 512 GB SSD NVIDIA T1200 FHD+ 1920x1200 PopOS 22.04 Millenium Falcon: Dell Precision 5530 i9-8950HK CPU 2x16 GB DDR4 2,666 MHz 1 TB SSD NVIDIA Quadro P2000 UHD 3840x2160 Ubuntu 22.04 / Windows 10 LTSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, serpro69 said: Does anyone have a good "how to apply thermal paste" guide? I did it once or twice long time ago. Been thinking lately that maybe now is a good time to re-paste all my hardware, so I'd rather do it the right way. Here we go... I use the X-shape and put a little blubb paste in the middle of the cross. Remember to pay especially attention to the shape of the die. An elongated chip needs a bit different application. And there is nothing wrong in spread the paste in a thin layer. Thermal Paste Application Techniques - Puget Systems 3 2 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasudev Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 21 minutes ago, solidus1983 said: Yeah Kryonaut Extreme performs much better then Kryonuat, also much more cleaner. I purchased a small amount at first and it was so much better i purchased a tub of it. I might when funds are available after upgrades do a shoot out as some of the pastes in the 14W/m*k range or above has peeked my interest. As for ICD i would take that out CPU Dies and IHS's will thank you for that. Ok thanks. I was aware of ICD 7/24 scratching die/IHS but Papusan,Mr. Fox and others told me its only cosmetic and doesn't affect the CPU/IHS/HS in any way. Then again, ICD was difficult to source and too expensive and I found CM Maker Gel and haven't looked back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasudev Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Papusan said: Hi Vasu. Add in TG Kryonaut Extreme - 14,2 W/m*K (I would remove the standard Kryonaut from the list). Thermalrigh TFX - 14,3 W/m*K Coolermaster CRYOFUZE - 14W/m*K Kingpin Cooling KPx For Liquid metal... Add in Thermalrigh Silver King 79W/m*K Thanks🙂 OP Updated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidus1983 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 23 minutes ago, Papusan said: Here we go... I use the X-shape and put a little blubb paste in the middle of the cross. Remember to pay especially attention to the shape of the die. An elongated chip needs a bit different application. And there is nothing wrong in spread the paste in a thin layer. Thermal Paste Application Techniques - Puget Systems I myself am a Pre-Spreader type of guy but some times use the line method on Rectangle Dies and Blob + X on Squared Dies. {Main System:} The Beast Spoiler {Cooling:} Corsair H170i Elite {Mainboard:} Asrock X670E Pro {CPU/GPU:} AMD Ryzen R9 7900x3D / AMD RX 7900 XTX (Asrock Phantom) {RAM/Storage:} 2x 16GB DDR5 Corsair Vengeance 6400MT/s , 13TB WDD SN850X 2x4TB, 2x 2TB, 1x 1TB {PSU/Case:} Corsair RM 1000x V2, Corsair 7000D Airflow (Black) {OS:} Windows 11 Pro Realtek Nahimic 3 Modded Driver for MSI Systems:Latest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toastofman Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I use Ceramique 2. Non-conductive, inexpensive, easy to spread, easy to clean up. There might be pastes that outperform it by a few celsius but for the price and ease of use, I'll stick with it. It performs in the ballpark of AS-5 but is a lot cheaper. I got 2 25g tubes for I think 12 bucks on a holiday deal many years ago at MicroCenter, and neither is dried out. I put it in a laptop that basically saw daily use for 3-4 years, and it was in great shape when I pulled the thing apart recently. My HTPC also was running C2 paste, and it was a near-decade-old build of an AMD A10-5800k with an Antec Kuhler 620 closed-loop all-in-one. I tore that system down in mid 2021 and sent it to my brother, and the paste was still in workable shape. So much use under a 100 watt APU had darkened it a little bit, as it was no longer bright white, but it was still fully spreadable and workable. After 9 friggin' years. Impressed the hell out of me, it did, so it'll be my go-to (plus I have about 35 grams total left of it)! As far as patterns, I do similar to @Papusan and @solidus1983's suggestion and spread a layer out. Never had a problem with temps ('cept when fans crap out and I don't catch it in time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runix18 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I am using this https://www.ebay.com/itm/283772575617?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item421229df81:g:6ukAAOSwkfReO9Qw&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACoPYe5NmHp%2B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsSwcmzw5CLtzTE60FqHcnq2BgKtyKbhGOMqnlQdWf9MtaGpAd%2F2qcqW6LZyce6HUyTnFGqH31aVn8vTzJjywrCOBxTZFa82GkuA4LZHLF%2F5MPTFCR%2BuK%2FeJThIS%2BAEglszLfSnH34Cw%2FhDk3nzl93B0C3wtPtnjxHf5eTaj6Dlw1iO2b37TnG1lyZQwwOCIj5caTqd6Yz%2FiAfXzH364DOuztiDnydJqo3rhQXOyWN%2F5kSHnyiCfYHI%2B6nQ3ilf56AlvyjoQOOsvA3gQ3pE3S%2Fn4V0lrmHgxegY5UJA26PnOIiZWYWO99q6lu2tRhbKaOn42jdwgdlXtIv1n%2B%2Fgef5Cc6UqRAmgI6K8TIf0KeKfBnuRiTLbzAMcUWZXqCg31w6vXRTIwiH7Z7Pef38V%2FG4pk4GXDEwSmzqfxO5M1V%2B0YRuXZH5uLLJ05NQvU2450AB%2BQ%2B4QM1PvS1qhRQ%2BXMlt601ARN9YBrT%2FmA565eSrCs3THeXwPPkcya0lS2GRsH9d4ZAEsau%2FbuzMdvKMlLgcs13KxMTo%2BnEnlJpf36rt%2F4MYJGnHSKOBqEfCmOL9gD5yQaWTSQ%2BlvREWmIHtMxL44EnDvVbapyeMgj7Z91EovOnbqlBU%2FAgixH8R06S%2B9%2BBzyzIiMcxcgGw5ctMCgjW8GF9zBYm7q9TH2DjXk%2FMdTCgjAcBzM1TMBjIyHsjP9ozLRWG69VrsSM0FUszo7eUcENAuTDxC4kWzbLcsXLdB8wYSPL02uBCAU1xvAW28XxGrc72%2B8ziBl810QXJNMgzdIG49MVIMVxCjTU7biHL9ZAQoEiqTzqVNQp6eDJ0wr4SqPKDi7rEbK%2FUDgmteFDF4v0A%3D%3D|clp%3A2334524|tkp%3ABFBMwo-J09tf It is the same thing as conductanout or clu, it is basicaly liquid metal but with noname (alas cheaper...way cheaper) same results as conductanout so basicaly why not? You get a lot of product for the money. Desktop - MSI X670E Tomahawk Wifi (cheap Ebay mobo that I fixed) | AMD 7800X3D | 32 GB Trident Z5 Neo RGB 6000Mhz | MSI RTX 4070TI Suprim X | Alienware 27 AW2724DM 2K 165 Hz Gsync | Samsung 990 Pro Nvme - Boot | Other various storage | Windows 10 Pro x64 SOLD - Clevo P870DM-G | i9-9700K 4.5 Ghz on all cores (-50 mv undervolted) | 32GB Hyper X Black 2666MHz | Clevo RTX 2080 3.1b undervolted for better temp 1905Mhz @881 mv | AUO B173HAN03.1 144hz Gsync | Samsung 980 NVME | Dsanke TM BIOS - Chujoi13 adapted based on needs | Network Card: Intel AX210-AX | Windows 10 Pro x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujtaba Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Hi people. I moved this thread to the upgrades forum as we think it is a more suitable place (a redirect will stay in the original place for 30 days). I suggest you include a link to one or more good videos on thermal paste application. It may not be easy for a beginner to apply just the right amount of thermal paste required 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katja Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I just repasted my main system with NT-H2, but I also have a tube of Arctic MX-5 laying around; haven't used it so I can't say much on it yet. Kirisame: Custom build Ryzen 7 5800X 32GB HyperX DDR4-3733 CL18 ASRock Phantom D OC RX 6800XT 1TB Samsung OEM gen4 2TB Inland Platinum 2TB Seagate Barracuda HDD Huawei Matebook D14 i5-10210U 8GB DDR4 500GB NVME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanwee Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Katja said: I just repasted my main system with NT-H2, but I also have a tube of Arctic MX-5 laying around; haven't used it so I can't say much on it yet. Noctua and Arctic thermal pastes don't have a good history of longevity in laptops though. The MX4 and NT-H1 were the worst pastes you con use on a laptop so I'd keep a close eye on temps as they may creep up again in a few months. 2 ASUS Strix Scar 17 Ryzen 9 7945HX CB R23: 37202 32GB x2 DDR5 6000 CL34 Hynix A-die RTX 4090 Laptop (Shunt modded) Firestrike graphics: 58 334 || Timespy graphics: 27049 || Port Royal: 17013 || Steel Nomad DX12: 6639 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Bridge Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 So I checked my history, and my old laptop, with a Core 2 Extreme, is using Arctic Silver 5, last applied in mid-2017. My desktop's CPU paste is even older, probably the same that I applied when I swapped to a 212 Evo in 2014, and also probably Arctic Silver 5. By that time, whatever I'd applied in 2011 was obviously failing as shown by fans and temps. Dunno if it was what shipped with my Intel CPU, or the CoolerMaster Unspecified Type paste I still have laying around somewhere. In 2014, the new ArcticSilver 5 setup hit 53C at stock, full CPU, 58C overclocked to 3.8 GHz. Now, 7.5 years later, at 3.6 GHz, I'm maxing out at 60C, with 1520 RPM fans instead of 1230 RPM in 2014 (it's also a different physical fan on the CPU heatsink). Other changes include more hard drives to impede airflow, and that I haven't done a good dusting for a while, as I had when testing in 2014. I also failed to note the ambient temperature in 2014; it's 67F currently. I'm pretty happy with that longevity. I could probably get improved performance by re-pasting with the same type of paste (AS5 has a thermal conductivity of 8.9W/mK according to my search results), and I'm sure I could get even better with more powerful paste. But why bother? If I need more performance at this point, I'll rebuild the system with a CPU that isn't a decade old. (Apparently Arctic Silver and Arctic aren't the same companies, either... I thought they were until looking them both up tonight) I have wondered if my Core 2 Extreme laptop could hit 3 GHz on all cores with better thermal paste, and it's plausible. But again, it would kind of being doing it for the sake of doing it. Props on the detailed comparison chart in the first post, definitely a good reference. 2 Desktop: Core i5 2500k "Sandy Bridge" | RX 480 | 32 GB DDR3 | 1 TB 850 Evo + 512 GB NVME + HDDs | Seasonic 650W | Noctua Fans | 8.1 Pro Laptop: MSI Alpha 15 | Ryzen 5800H | Radeon 6600M | 64 GB DDR4 | 4 TB TLC SSD | 10 Home Laptop history: MSI GL63 (2018) | HP EliteBook 8740w (acq. 2014) | Dell Inspiron 1520 (2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanwee Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 2/11/2022 at 11:48 AM, Sandy Bridge said: So I checked my history, and my old laptop, with a Core 2 Extreme, is using Arctic Silver 5, last applied in mid-2017. My desktop's CPU paste is even older, probably the same that I applied when I swapped to a 212 Evo in 2014, and also probably Arctic Silver 5. By that time, whatever I'd applied in 2011 was obviously failing as shown by fans and temps. Dunno if it was what shipped with my Intel CPU, or the CoolerMaster Unspecified Type paste I still have laying around somewhere. In 2014, the new ArcticSilver 5 setup hit 53C at stock, full CPU, 58C overclocked to 3.8 GHz. Now, 7.5 years later, at 3.6 GHz, I'm maxing out at 60C, with 1520 RPM fans instead of 1230 RPM in 2014 (it's also a different physical fan on the CPU heatsink). Other changes include more hard drives to impede airflow, and that I haven't done a good dusting for a while, as I had when testing in 2014. I also failed to note the ambient temperature in 2014; it's 67F currently. I'm pretty happy with that longevity. I could probably get improved performance by re-pasting with the same type of paste (AS5 has a thermal conductivity of 8.9W/mK according to my search results), and I'm sure I could get even better with more powerful paste. But why bother? If I need more performance at this point, I'll rebuild the system with a CPU that isn't a decade old. (Apparently Arctic Silver and Arctic aren't the same companies, either... I thought they were until looking them both up tonight) I have wondered if my Core 2 Extreme laptop could hit 3 GHz on all cores with better thermal paste, and it's plausible. But again, it would kind of being doing it for the sake of doing it. Props on the detailed comparison chart in the first post, definitely a good reference. Unfortunately good paste is a must if you want to keep your laptop processor from throttling under load nowadays. And sometimes it may not even be enough especially on the 120ish watt i7 and i9 models which will require Liquid Metal to cope with their high heat density. 3 ASUS Strix Scar 17 Ryzen 9 7945HX CB R23: 37202 32GB x2 DDR5 6000 CL34 Hynix A-die RTX 4090 Laptop (Shunt modded) Firestrike graphics: 58 334 || Timespy graphics: 27049 || Port Royal: 17013 || Steel Nomad DX12: 6639 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 2/10/2022 at 8:48 PM, Sandy Bridge said: So I checked my history, and my old laptop, with a Core 2 Extreme, is using Arctic Silver 5, last applied in mid-2017. My desktop's CPU paste is even older, probably the same that I applied when I swapped to a 212 Evo in 2014, and also probably Arctic Silver 5. By that time, whatever I'd applied in 2011 was obviously failing as shown by fans and temps. Dunno if it was what shipped with my Intel CPU, or the CoolerMaster Unspecified Type paste I still have laying around somewhere. In 2014, the new ArcticSilver 5 setup hit 53C at stock, full CPU, 58C overclocked to 3.8 GHz. Now, 7.5 years later, at 3.6 GHz, I'm maxing out at 60C, with 1520 RPM fans instead of 1230 RPM in 2014 (it's also a different physical fan on the CPU heatsink). Other changes include more hard drives to impede airflow, and that I haven't done a good dusting for a while, as I had when testing in 2014. I also failed to note the ambient temperature in 2014; it's 67F currently. I'm pretty happy with that longevity. I could probably get improved performance by re-pasting with the same type of paste (AS5 has a thermal conductivity of 8.9W/mK according to my search results), and I'm sure I could get even better with more powerful paste. But why bother? If I need more performance at this point, I'll rebuild the system with a CPU that isn't a decade old. (Apparently Arctic Silver and Arctic aren't the same companies, either... I thought they were until looking them both up tonight) I have wondered if my Core 2 Extreme laptop could hit 3 GHz on all cores with better thermal paste, and it's plausible. But again, it would kind of being doing it for the sake of doing it. Props on the detailed comparison chart in the first post, definitely a good reference. The fact that you were able to keep your hands off the internals of your system for that many years is something in and of itself. I have never managed to use any system for more than a few months, at most, without having a reason to tear things apart for some kind of hardware mod, new experiment or test compelling me to disrupt everything. When laptops were still something I cared about, sometimes I would go for many months without even installing the screws in the lower cover or keyboard. The magnetic keyboard feature on the Clevo P870s was effective enough by itself that it was a waste of time reaching for a screwdriver. 1 3 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KF | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Raptor // Z690 PG Velocita | 13900KS | 2080 Ti | 32GB DDR5-6400 | RM1200x SHIFT | EK Nucleus CR360 Dark || Praxis Wetbench Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 11:37 PM, runix18 said: I am using this https://www.ebay.com/itm/283772575617?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item421229df81:g:6ukAAOSwkfReO9Qw&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACoPYe5NmHp%2B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsSwcmzw5CLtzTE60FqHcnq2BgKtyKbhGOMqnlQdWf9MtaGpAd%2F2qcqW6LZyce6HUyTnFGqH31aVn8vTzJjywrCOBxTZFa82GkuA4LZHLF%2F5MPTFCR%2BuK%2FeJThIS%2BAEglszLfSnH34Cw%2FhDk3nzl93B0C3wtPtnjxHf5eTaj6Dlw1iO2b37TnG1lyZQwwOCIj5caTqd6Yz%2FiAfXzH364DOuztiDnydJqo3rhQXOyWN%2F5kSHnyiCfYHI%2B6nQ3ilf56AlvyjoQOOsvA3gQ3pE3S%2Fn4V0lrmHgxegY5UJA26PnOIiZWYWO99q6lu2tRhbKaOn42jdwgdlXtIv1n%2B%2Fgef5Cc6UqRAmgI6K8TIf0KeKfBnuRiTLbzAMcUWZXqCg31w6vXRTIwiH7Z7Pef38V%2FG4pk4GXDEwSmzqfxO5M1V%2B0YRuXZH5uLLJ05NQvU2450AB%2BQ%2B4QM1PvS1qhRQ%2BXMlt601ARN9YBrT%2FmA565eSrCs3THeXwPPkcya0lS2GRsH9d4ZAEsau%2FbuzMdvKMlLgcs13KxMTo%2BnEnlJpf36rt%2F4MYJGnHSKOBqEfCmOL9gD5yQaWTSQ%2BlvREWmIHtMxL44EnDvVbapyeMgj7Z91EovOnbqlBU%2FAgixH8R06S%2B9%2BBzyzIiMcxcgGw5ctMCgjW8GF9zBYm7q9TH2DjXk%2FMdTCgjAcBzM1TMBjIyHsjP9ozLRWG69VrsSM0FUszo7eUcENAuTDxC4kWzbLcsXLdB8wYSPL02uBCAU1xvAW28XxGrc72%2B8ziBl810QXJNMgzdIG49MVIMVxCjTU7biHL9ZAQoEiqTzqVNQp6eDJ0wr4SqPKDi7rEbK%2FUDgmteFDF4v0A%3D%3D|clp%3A2334524|tkp%3ABFBMwo-J09tf It is the same thing as conductanout or clu, it is basicaly liquid metal but with noname (alas cheaper...way cheaper) same results as conductanout so basicaly why not? You get a lot of product for the money. I think you're the winner of the longest URL award this month. 1 8 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KF | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Raptor // Z690 PG Velocita | 13900KS | 2080 Ti | 32GB DDR5-6400 | RM1200x SHIFT | EK Nucleus CR360 Dark || Praxis Wetbench Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Bridge Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Oh, it's not completely true that I haven't dug into the internals of my system for several years. I took apart a decent amount of my desktop last summer to oil a few fans that had started rattling. Added storage the year before that, a PCI Express expansion card a year or two before. And the most surprising thing about my laptops right now is that they do have the screws, that certainly wasn't something do be counted on for quite a while. I've taken apart my older laptop twice in the past 9 months, but both times to swap out the screen, not the "main" internals. The CPUs, it's true, have pretty much stood the test of time. Actually... make that three times, I used it as a test subject when teaching a friend laptop maintenance last summer. But my interests have also diversified over the years, which has meant less time thinking about or implementing computer hardware projects. If it's just working, there's a good chance I'll leave it just working. I guess I got fortunate that MSI put a good cooling system in my laptop; actually I know I did because one of my friends had a different MSI and you could fry an egg on it or go deaf listening to its fans; it really did need thermal paste re-applied. But it was a relatively thin one with a 2070; mine is a thick one with a 1050. Much less GPU heat, much more space for cooling. Wouldn't be surprised if I do need to re-paste the original before long, but so far... *knocks on wood* it isn't throttling. Desktop: Core i5 2500k "Sandy Bridge" | RX 480 | 32 GB DDR3 | 1 TB 850 Evo + 512 GB NVME + HDDs | Seasonic 650W | Noctua Fans | 8.1 Pro Laptop: MSI Alpha 15 | Ryzen 5800H | Radeon 6600M | 64 GB DDR4 | 4 TB TLC SSD | 10 Home Laptop history: MSI GL63 (2018) | HP EliteBook 8740w (acq. 2014) | Dell Inspiron 1520 (2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runix18 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 On 2/12/2022 at 3:57 PM, Mr. Fox said: I think you're the winner of the longest URL award this month. I try my best😆 1 1 Desktop - MSI X670E Tomahawk Wifi (cheap Ebay mobo that I fixed) | AMD 7800X3D | 32 GB Trident Z5 Neo RGB 6000Mhz | MSI RTX 4070TI Suprim X | Alienware 27 AW2724DM 2K 165 Hz Gsync | Samsung 990 Pro Nvme - Boot | Other various storage | Windows 10 Pro x64 SOLD - Clevo P870DM-G | i9-9700K 4.5 Ghz on all cores (-50 mv undervolted) | 32GB Hyper X Black 2666MHz | Clevo RTX 2080 3.1b undervolted for better temp 1905Mhz @881 mv | AUO B173HAN03.1 144hz Gsync | Samsung 980 NVME | Dsanke TM BIOS - Chujoi13 adapted based on needs | Network Card: Intel AX210-AX | Windows 10 Pro x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 3 hours ago, runix18 said: I try my best😆 2 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KF | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 48GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Raptor // Z690 PG Velocita | 13900KS | 2080 Ti | 32GB DDR5-6400 | RM1200x SHIFT | EK Nucleus CR360 Dark || Praxis Wetbench Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eban Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 @Papusan Liquid metal "pre baking" ?? Hi my name is Eban and I'm an addict. LM fanboy I was scrolling through somewhere last night and can not find it again now...about pre baking LM? I missed the OP on old forum. Does anyone have an archive link (was it saved?) or willing to write up the cliffnotes? Thank you E 1 Thunderchild // Lenovo Legion Y740 17" i7-9750H rtx2080maxQ win10 RainBird // Alienware 17 (Ranger) i7-4910mq gtx860m win8.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 On 2/12/2022 at 2:57 PM, Mr. Fox said: I think you're the winner of the longest URL award this month. Yep, isn't Ebay disgusting? Their coders should be fired. Most likely hired some of the best software engineers from Microsoft OS department 🙂 2 hours ago, Eban said: @Papusan Liquid metal "pre baking" ?? Hi my name is Eban and I'm an addict. LM fanboy I was scrolling through somewhere last night and can not find it again now...about pre baking LM? I missed the OP on old forum. Does anyone have an archive link (was it saved?) or willing to write up the cliffnotes? Thank you E Here's the basis for my baking post's on NBR... https://imgur.com/a/2xHnNVn 2 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eban Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Papusan said: Yep, isn't Ebay disgusting? Their coders should be fired. Most likely hired some of the best software engineers from Microsoft OS department 🙂 Here's the basis for my baking post's on NBR... https://imgur.com/a/2xHnNVn @Papusan Thank you! I am going to give that a try. Brand new cicichen 3pipe heatsink for my AW17. 1 Thunderchild // Lenovo Legion Y740 17" i7-9750H rtx2080maxQ win10 RainBird // Alienware 17 (Ranger) i7-4910mq gtx860m win8.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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