thermal paste Which Thermal Paste to buy and apply (Traditional and Liquid Metal)

[ryan]

On 8/11/2023 at 5:30 PM, KING19 said:

 

I think you should try the repaste again because something isnt right, Maybe with real thing or something else. The random shutdowns can also be caused by a too low of a undervolt.

 

Yea the 40 Series GPUs are overpriced as hell. If you do build a desktop go with a 30 series GPU if you can. There are some decent deals for them even for the RTX 3080 and even RTX 3090

im getting better temps, 64-60c on gpu and 75sih on cpu with vsync on. without, it just keeps going up until computer shuts off. what temps should I be getting?

 

I'd like to add, the computer only shut down once and it was overclocked and overvolted. a undervolted gpu an cpu seems to fix the issues, i just played gta v for 10-20min and temps peaked at 74c and cpu 78c but cpu seemed to have hovered around 2800mhz even though in throttle stop I had it locked to 3.9ghz. either way I guess this is a pretty good turd book low temps in realistic senerios and great performance.

 

here's a pic after the session. and level of performance im getting.

 

thats with 16x AF and high quality settings

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

im getting better temps, 64-60c on gpu and 75sih on cpu with vsync on. without, it just keeps going up until computer shuts off. what temps should I be getting?

The laptop should never shut off due high temps. Should throttle down clock speed. Maybe try play with the Prochot offset in Options (ThrottlStop). I expect the problem is the Cpu temp. Not GPU temp.

[ryan]

36 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The laptop should never shut of due high temps.

Im using a vbios from another laptop. 140w vs 100w maybe somethings wrong with the config. it was running for a while when it shut off, but I have no idea why. im thinking some other component.

 

also I just ran grid autosport on a loop for an hour temps peaked at 76c-79c   on cpu and gpu, so I guess im happy with the results but it would be nice to overclock for games like cyberpunk 2077

[Papusan]

4 minutes ago, ryan said:

Im using a vbios from another laptop. 140w vs 100w maybe somethings wrong with the config. it was running for a while when it shut off, but I have no idea why. im thinking some other component/

Could be the power delivery for the gpu is too weak. Try reduce TDP with MSI Afterburner if it works for your laptop. No point in maxing out the power slider if the laptop shuts off. Or try decreasing the max temp slider. 

[jaybee83]

20 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

There is nothing funny about how Nvidia has been treating consumers lately.

welp, when something is so bad u can only either cry in a corner or laugh cynically at it, i usually choose the latter 😄 

[KING19]

I got the Honeywell 7950 pads on Tuesday, it took about 12 days with the cheapest shipping option on Ebuy7. Measuring it with my CPU and GPU die was the easy part but like others said removing the foil between the pad was a pain in the ass and even the tape provided didnt help much. I even wore a small piece of the pad on the CPU when removing the tape but pasted it together with the finger gloves but it seems to be fine when you see the benchmark tests.

 

 

 

I did the tests yesterday and here are the results, i ran back to back cinebench tests the results are great as expected!.

 

 

Cyberpunk 2077:

 

Might test it again in a month or so. Overall im happy with the results!.

[raptorddd]

5 hours ago, KING19 said:

I got the Honeywell 7950 pads on Tuesday, it took about 12 days with the cheapest shipping option on Ebuy7. Measuring it with my CPU and GPU die was the easy part but like others said removing the foil between the pad was a pain in the ass and even the tape provided didnt help much. I even wore a small piece of the pad on the CPU when removing the tape but pasted it together with the finger gloves but it seems to be fine when you see the benchmark tests.

 

 

 

I did the tests yesterday and here are the results, i ran back to back cinebench tests the results are great as expected!.

 

 

Cyberpunk 2077:

 

Might test it again in a month or so. Overall im happy with the results!.

what was previous temps on the paste.?

[jaybee83]

12 hours ago, KING19 said:

I got the Honeywell 7950 pads on Tuesday, it took about 12 days with the cheapest shipping option on Ebuy7. Measuring it with my CPU and GPU die was the easy part but like others said removing the foil between the pad was a pain in the ass and even the tape provided didnt help much. I even wore a small piece of the pad on the CPU when removing the tape but pasted it together with the finger gloves but it seems to be fine when you see the benchmark tests.

 

 

 

I did the tests yesterday and here are the results, i ran back to back cinebench tests the results are great as expected!.

 

 

Cyberpunk 2077:

 

Might test it again in a month or so. Overall im happy with the results!.

 

7 hours ago, raptorddd said:

what was previous temps on the paste.?

 

ah shoot, you ninja'd me to it... also which paste did you use before? @KING19

[KING19]

17 hours ago, raptorddd said:

what was previous temps on the paste.?

 

9 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

 

ah shoot, you ninja'd me to it... also which paste did you use before? @KING19

 

I been using the paste version of Honeywell ptm7950 which is called Honeywell ptm7950SP as i mentioned many times in this thread. During my tests of it i received similar results as the pads in the temps but the problem was its durability because as i said it would last for like 5-6 months on my laptop each time i repaste. Results may vary as the paste version is not well known like the pads are but i think you should receive similar results and i spent $15 for a 3g tube a year ago on Ebuy7 but now its a bit cheaper now.

 

https://ebuy7.com/honeywell-ptm7950sp-phase-change-silicone-grease-cpu-thermal-paste-notebook-cooling-paste-graphics-card-mobile-phone-silicone.html

 

I just ran out of it at my last repaste job with my laptop and GF's laptop and ordered the pads as a backup until my CPU temps started spiking up to the 100Cs range and pumped out in a month, Her laptop is still fine. Hopefully the pad will last at least a year or so before i am forced to repaste again.

[KING19]

2 months update using Honeywell 7950:

 

 

Forza:

 

Cyberpunk:

 

Temps remain the same as before!.

[Etern4l]

17 hours ago, KING19 said:

Temps remain the same as before!.

Yep. 7958 SP paste seems to be holding water on the desktop side (die+IHS) under severe load as well. I’m not sure,  2-3 months now which more than anything else has ever lasted for me.

[ryan]

Im not trolling, but out of like 15 laptops iv'e owned I only had to change the thermal paste twice, and the performance of the old paste was the same as new. I don't know how its possible for thermal paste to stop working but it must happen iv'e just yet to experience it in 20 years of gaming. right now my temps with vsync are around 58c so i guess i wont be pasting my gpu cpu anytime soon. im tempted to get the phase change pads from buy7.com but i doubt i will see a drop as dramatic as my new iets gt500

[KING19]

On 10/23/2023 at 6:26 PM, Etern4l said:

Yep. 7958 SP paste seems to be holding water on the desktop side (die+IHS) under severe load as well. I’m not sure,  2-3 months now which more than anything else has ever lasted for me.

 

Yeah the paste version is thicker other thermal pastes. It should last for a while especially on a desktop!.

 

3 hours ago, ryan said:

Im not trolling, but out of like 15 laptops iv'e owned I only had to change the thermal paste twice, and the performance of the old paste was the same as new. I don't know how its possible for thermal paste to stop working but it must happen iv'e just yet to experience it in 20 years of gaming. right now my temps with vsync are around 58c so i guess i wont be pasting my gpu cpu anytime soon. im tempted to get the phase change pads from buy7.com but i doubt i will see a drop as dramatic as my new iets gt500

 

Thermal paste normally dries up in a few years on a desktop but for laptops especially gaming laptops will last like a year or so, sometimes less if you use it a lot for heavy gaming. Unless you're experiencing high temps there is no reason to do a repaste.

[Etern4l]

Yes, repasting is most likely going to benefit high-end laptops with top-end mobile or desktop CPUs.

[Papusan]

On 10/30/2023 at 4:29 AM, KING19 said:

Thermal paste normally dries up in a few years on a desktop but for laptops especially gaming laptops will last like a year or so,

Yup, this is the drawback with 100C as temp target 24/7/365. As Trevis North (Dell Alienware's lead thermal engineer)say... <they tune the cooling for 100C for all their Jokebooks. If the hw run 80C the thermal paste will last longer. But that would be out of scope for some thermal engineers. They are hired to cut cost... Not make the best thermal solutions!

[KING19]

On 10/30/2023 at 6:34 PM, Papusan said:

Yup, this is the drawback with 100C as temp target 24/7/365. As Trevis North (Dell Alienware's lead thermal engineer)say... <they tune the cooling for 100C for all their Jokebooks. If the hw run 80C the thermal paste will last longer. But that would be out of scope for some thermal engineers. They are hired to cut cost... Not make the best thermal solutions!

 

Yup, speaking of Dell most of their laptop motherboards are inverted making it very difficult to do a repaste because you would have to remove the entire motherboard. It also causes high temperatures as well.

[jaybee83]

14 hours ago, KING19 said:

 

Yup, speaking of Dell most of their laptop motherboards are inverted making it very difficult to do a repaste because you would have to remove the entire motherboard. It also causes high temperatures as well.

and uncomfy temps on the keyboard during typing... maybe they were thinking of users using the laptops on their LAPS and wanting to WARM THEIR FINGERS IN WINTER. like.....ludicrious thinking right there, who does that?! 😄

[ryan]

wrong thread!!

[Papusan]

Apple-Scented Thermal Paste Launches in Japan tomshardware.com

 

 

A new limited edition apple-scented thermal paste was launched in Japan today. A collaborative effort between M1N1ing and Clock Work Tea Party, the Extreme Muglis 4G Apple Edition EG4GAP paste is formulated for room-temperature overclocking antics. No, this isn’t designed for Apple's Mac computers, it just reportedly smells like an Apple and comes in green. Hmmm, can this thermal paste works well with Apples sibling... The Alienware models?

[Papusan]

Bold claims.... 

 

Gelid's new heating pad is claimed to be better than cooling paste sweclockers.com | Yesterday

 

More easily applied alternatives to cooling paste often result in a temperature a few degrees higher, which Gelid now believes the company has remedied.

 

[Vasudev]

On 11/22/2023 at 5:40 AM, Papusan said:

Bold claims.... 

 

Gelid's new heating pad is claimed to be better than cooling paste sweclockers.com | Yesterday

 

More easily applied alternatives to cooling paste often result in a temperature a few degrees higher, which Gelid now believes the company has remedied.

 

I think it is within margin of error. Need to be tested on laptop heatsink with lower pressure to see if it performs better than carbonaut or IC HC pad. In my case with carbonaut and HC pad both 1-2C worse than cooler master maker gel nano paste but its been 3 yrs on carbonaut and 1.5 yrs on HC pad thermal performance has not worsened even at 40-45C ambient temp.

[Rofa1234]

Thermal Hero Quantum is a good choice on my laptop, maybe 0.5°C behind the best (Kold-01, Aerocool Fuzion). Maybe it's worth a try for someone who wants to try out something new.

 

By the way I believe Kold-01 is a reband of DOWSIL TC-5888 because the specs are identical, it's exactly the same. Also to me Kold-01 and Fuzion are identical, same paste to me. Dowsil has released a new paste in 2023 called TC-5550. They say it's designed especially for bare die chips and can be used instead of PCM.

 

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thermal grease that is especially designed for bare die architecture to provide long term reliability with excellent pump-out resistance performance.

 

This innovative silicone grease can be used in place of a PCM or thermal pad, and was designed for bare die and lidless CPUs, providing high pump-out resistance and high-throughput.

 

 

Specs are almost same to TC-5888, biggest difference is that the viscosity is quite a bit higher at High Strain on TC-5550 which can be a good thing for bare die chips with subpar heatsink contact. Also the thixotropy seems higher. I wonder if this can be better than TC-5888, unfortunately this paste is hard to get.

[ryan]

I find I don't game on my laptop on the couch or while taking the bus or driving, or while showering. so I don't see a reason against just buying a iets gt500 and getting temps down to 50-60c while heavy load on a desk. beats thermal paste(ALL)

[1610ftw]

On 11/22/2023 at 1:10 AM, Papusan said:

Bold claims.... 

 

Gelid's new heating pad is claimed to be better than cooling paste sweclockers.com | Yesterday

 

More easily applied alternatives to cooling paste often result in a temperature a few degrees higher, which Gelid now believes the company has remedied.

 

 

kylpasta - I like that 😄

 

This guy also has some promising results:

 

 

 

 

Will be interesting to see a comparison with PTM7950.

 

The biggest benefit of these could be that this is a what you see is what you get solution.

No curing at first and then degradation after a relatively short timespan. This could last longer that most paste and also allow to work on laptop heatsinks more often where it is also paramount to cool other parts. Optimizing that was not so great with regular paste or some LM solutions and most of all messy. 

[Rofa1234]

I tried Heatphase Ultra and it's very similar to PTM7950, maybe the same. In my first try it was a bit behind PTM7950 but this might be a simple measurement inaccuracy, I would have to do a second run and a back to back comparison with PTM7950. They are great, that's for sure. Only the very very best thermal pastes can reach PTM7950 or Heatphase Ultra. I also tried KryoSheet but this failed on my laptop CPU, it didn't work. It can't fill up the uneven heatsink or it's not flexible enough.