Ryzen 9000 Desktop CPUs

[Sandy Bridge]

These have been out for a couple of weeks now... is anyone turning their processor model up over 9000?

 

I think I saw that their AVX512 performance is hugely improved over Ryzen 7000, otherwise I'm not sure how much the uplift is?  From the reviews I saw it seems like their TDP is significantly lower but their power use is actually pretty similar in practice?  Definitely curious if that's the general trend or perhaps motherboard-setting dependent.

 

I'm back on the notebook train though, so unless I have a need for more power, I'll probably be sticking with my 5800H for a while.

[saturnotaku]

Lots of shady marketing around these CPUs. I'll be holding on to my 5600X3D a while longer unless the rumored 7600X3D comes to pass at a reasonable price.

 

 

 

[D2ultima]

Standard AMD marketing practice, tbh. I still remember them "comparing" to intel chips with hyperthreading off and single channel memory around the launch of one of their Zen lines. Absurdities is their de facto standard when it comes to marketing.

 

Default reminder once again to all: companies are not your friends and you should only buy the best product for your use case within your budget means. Brand loyalty only makes a fool out of you.

[Papusan]

The most fun I have seen today. AMD Zen5 chips (RYZEN 9000 SERIES) is now rebranded to BulldoZen5. Yup, this one really made my day😁 

 

Final conclution from Hardware Unboxed. Yup, this did not come as a big surprise bro @Mr. Fox The flopp is real! Greedy, unethical testing and false claims come at a price.... AND AMD PAY FOR IT RIGHT NOW.

 

See the time stamp 20:38

 

 

AMD rather prefer sell high cost overpriced re-branded boards instead of offering cheaper options.... 

 

AMD Delays B840 and B850 Motherboards to Early 2025; X870 and X870E Are Set for September Release 

[jaybee83]

22 hours ago, Papusan said:

The most fun I have seen today. AMD Zen5 chips (RYZEN 9000 SERIES) is now rebranded to BulldoZen5. Yup, this one really made my day😁 

 

Final conclution from Hardware Unboxed. Yup, this did not come as a big surprise bro @Mr. Fox The flopp is real! Greedy, unethical testing and false claims come at a price.... AND AMD PAY FOR IT RIGHT NOW.

 

See the time stamp 20:38

 

 

AMD rather prefer sell high cost overpriced re-branded boards instead of offering cheaper options.... 

 

AMD Delays B840 and B850 Motherboards to Early 2025; X870 and X870E Are Set for September Release 

kool, so same as intel then 😂 now were all on the same page and nobody wins 💀

[Papusan]

51 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

kool, so same as intel then 😂 now were all on the same page and nobody wins 💀

 

$360 vs $500 USD. And the winner is.... AMD😁 Poor those stupid gamers that pay or paid full MSRP for the new and shiny BulldoZen5. 

 

See also...... Timestamp from 1:43

 

[D2ultima]

On the plus side, Wukong's benchmark tool doesn't crash on me, so the full game probably won't crash. I guess microcode 104 and 2022 BIOS still winning out here and no CPU degrade

 

Now if I could only use the intel APO driver too without any updates that'd be great

[saturnotaku]

The Zen 5 rabbit hole gets deeper, with Windows 11 24H2 offering some pretty big performance uplifts in certain games. Though these improvements apply to Zen 4 and apparently Zen 3 as well.

 

 

[cylix]

Quote

If you're patiently waiting for Windows 11's 24H2 update to see a performance bump for your Zen 3, Zen 4, or Zen 5 CPU, you no longer need to twiddle your thumbs. In a statement to Tom's Hardware, AMD said that the branch prediction optimizations allowing for those improvements have been backported to Windows 11 23H2.

The update, KB5041587, can be found under Windows Update > Advanced options > Optional updates.

"We expect the performance uplift to be very similar between 24H2 and 23H2 with KB5041587 installed," an AMD spokesperson said.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-backports-branch-prediction-improvements-to-windows-11-23h2-more-users-will-see-ryzen-performance-improvements

[saturnotaku]

On 8/28/2024 at 7:45 AM, cylix said:

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-backports-branch-prediction-improvements-to-windows-11-23h2-more-users-will-see-ryzen-performance-improvements

 

The same update is also available for systems running 22H2.

 

Microsoft Update Catalog

[Papusan]

 

No Gaming Improvements Seen With AMD Ryzen 9 9700X & Ryzen 5 9600X Running On 105W Mode

 

AMD Ryzen 7000 Look Far Better Value Than Ryzen 9000 With Latest Price Cuts: Ryzen 9 7950X $410 & Ryzen 7 7700X For $220

AMDs best hope now for 9000 series BulldoZen5, is that they run out of inventory of 7000 series Ryzen chips 🙂

[saturnotaku]

Should the 7600X3D come out, I don't expect that will happen any time soon unless it's a limited release to get rid of "old" silicon like the 5600X3D was.

[Papusan]

On 9/3/2024 at 8:02 PM, saturnotaku said:

Should the 7600X3D come out, I don't expect that will happen any time soon unless it's a limited release to get rid of "old" silicon like the 5600X3D was.

 

AMD's Ryzen 5 7600X3D is no longer exclusive to the U.S

[Papusan]

Why is Zen5 a flop? Because of disgusting prices, price vs performance or the lack of performance uplift vs prior gen Zen 4 ? @Rage Set @electrosoft  @Mr. Fox We are soon to see new overpriced MB more expensive than ever for Zen5 chips. Will this boost the sales of Ryzen Zen5 chips? 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Why is Zen5 a flop? Because of disgusting prices, price vs performance or the lack of performance uplift vs prior gen Zen 4 ? @Rage Set @electrosoft  @Mr. Fox We are soon to see new overpriced MB more expensive than ever for Zen5 chips. Will this boost the sales of Ryzen Zen5 chips? 

 

 

I watched that video before work this morning. I am puzzled by it to some degree. Maybe everyone that was planning to buy/build a Ryzen system is already set and nobody is shopping now. Was there a big uplift? No. Would there be a reason to upgrade from prior gen? Maybe. Like 13900K>13900KS>14900K not much difference, but minor improvements, which probably don't matter much to people that are mostly gamers and don't care that much about overclocking. I don't want to stereotype people, but from my perspective that seems like it applies to many AMD owners. While there are exceptions, if a person is happy with what they have and are not pursuing bleeding edge incremental or fractional increases in performance it would most likely be a really silly waste of money if there is not going to be a corresponding measurable benefit. If one were going to build a new AM5 system then buying Zen 5 instead of Zen 4 would make sense. Moving from Zen 4 to Zen 5 while sticking with the newer equivalent probably doesn't make good sense for most people. But, buying a more powerful and higher core count Zen 5 CPU to replace a weaker and lower core count Zen 4 CPU would be logical.

[Papusan]

55 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I watched that video before work this morning. I am puzzled by it to some degree. Maybe everyone that was planning to buy/build a Ryzen system is already set and nobody is shopping now. Was there a big uplift? No. Would there be a reason to upgrade from prior gen? Maybe. Like 13900K>13900KS>14900K not much difference, but minor improvements, which probably don't matter much to people that are mostly gamers and don't care that much about overclocking. I don't want to stereotype people, but from my perspective that seems like it applies to many AMD owners. While there are exceptions, if a person is happy with what they have and are not pursuing bleeding edge incremental or fractional increases in performance it would most likely be a really silly waste of money if there is not going to be a corresponding measurable benefit. If one were going to build a new AM5 system then buying Zen 5 instead of Zen 4 would make sense. Moving from Zen 4 to Zen 5 while sticking with the newer equivalent probably doesn't make good sense for most people. But, buying a more powerful and higher core count Zen 5 CPU to replace a weaker and lower core count Zen 4 CPU would be logical.

 

My take on this.... Why the low sales numbers. Doesn't people buy new PC's nowadays? And if you are one of the people buying a new AMD PC platform.... Why go the route and try save $50 or 100 on the main component on an expensive pc platform.... Aka buy and put in an 2 years old Cpu. Board+memory is close to $1000 then why the $50 USD cost cutting on your new PC. You don't get much better graphics card for $50 USD nowadays if you want to spend thos saved $$$. Not even for $100 more. Then we are back to the answer. PC parts has become damn expensive... People keep their old stuff. Of course they (AMD) then can't get rid of the new cutting edge tech as underwhelming BulldoZen5.

 

The pricing on new tech is all too high now. And people have less money than before. So this mess is their own fault. Let em burn in with their overpriced unsold inventory. Greed come at a price. 

[Mr. Fox]

4 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

My take on this.... Why the low sales numbers. Doesn't people buy new PC's nowadays? And if you are one of the people buying a new AMD PC platform.... Why go the route and try save $50 or 100 on the main component on an expensive pc platform.... Aka buy and put in an 2 years old Cpu. Board+memory is close to $1000 then why the $50 USD cost cutting on your new PC. You don't get much better graphics card for $50 USD nowadays. Not even for $100 more. Then we are back to the answer. PC parts has become damn expensive... People keep their old stuff. Of course they (AMD) then can't get rid of the new cutting edge tech.

Yes, that is correct. I know I am not planning to buy any new tech at this point in time. I might buy a better bin CPU or something like that if I stumble upon a fantastic deal, but I don't see any reason to spend any money. I do not expect Arrow Lake to be anything special just as it is looking like Zen 5 isn't anything special. Another example of the fact that newer is always better newer. It seems this is the new normal now. Lots of "meh" everywhere we look.

[Papusan]

On 9/11/2024 at 7:57 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I do not expect Arrow Lake to be anything special just as it is looking like Zen 5 BulldoZen5 isn't anything special.

 

I fix it for you 🙂

 

Can't be much worse than BulldoZen5. Isn't this special? Will always be like this when you release re-hashed Cpu's that should have the Zen4+ moniker instead of a brand new new SKU name.. 

 

Abysmal Zen 5 sales allegedly result in "the worst launch since Bulldozer"

AMD's latest Ryzen 9000 processors have seemingly suffered a terrible launch with low sales. The situation, according to the leaked information, is so bad that AMD distributors are receiving substantial requests for returns...

 

In short, Zen 5 CPU sales seem to be quite bad, as the chips failed to live up to the expectations of fans who were hoping for a bigger performance jump.

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

I fix it for you 🙂

 

Can't be much worse than BulldoZen5. Isn't this special? Will always be like this when you release re-hashed Cpu's that should have the Zen4+ moniker instead of a brand new new SKU name.. 

 

Abysmal Zen 5 sales allegedly result in "the worst launch since Bulldozer"

AMD's latest Ryzen 9000 processors have seemingly suffered a terrible launch with low sales. The situation, according to the leaked information, is so bad that AMD distributors are receiving substantial requests for returns...

 

In short, Zen 5 CPU sales seem to be quite bad, as the chips failed to live up to the expectations of fans who were hoping for a bigger performance jump.

Maybe AMD was expecting more people to leave Intel? And, that is clearly not happening very much. I think the low sales show pretty clearly that existing AMD owners see no reason to spend money on something newer that isn't an upgrade, or such a small upgrade that spending money is basically pointless. Additionally, the path they have chosen to take with video cards seems to demonstrate that AMD is a company whose target market is the people who are content with adequacy and happy with "good enough" rather than overclockers and bleeding-edge performance enthusiasts that find it difficult to resist an upgrade that is small and not big leap from the prior generation. Any x86 8-core CPU that is 5+ years old is "good enough" for playing games with high framerates. This is bad because it means there remains no good option other than NVIDIA for 4K gaming with demanding graphics settings and/or ray tracing.

[electrosoft]

21 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Can't be much worse than BulldoZen5. Isn't this special? 

 

Abysmal Zen 5 sales allegedly result in "the worst launch since Bulldozer"

AMD's latest Ryzen 9000 processors have seemingly suffered a terrible launch with low sales. The situation, according to the leaked information, is so bad that AMD distributors are receiving substantial requests for returns...

 

For the average consumer, these chips offer nothing over the 7000 series and new motherboard pricing is even higher.

 

All of us (or close to it) 7000 owners on these forums skipped them. That wasn't an anomaly.

 

The only bright spot is over the last few years, DDR5 prices have come down and 6000 sticks can be had for crazy cheap.

 

 

[Papusan]

 

 

On 9/14/2024 at 2:04 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Maybe AMD was expecting more people to leave Intel?

No One Is Buying AMD Zen 5 CPUs, So What's Going On?

Zen 5 sales have not gone well and AMD is struggling to sell Ryzen 9000 CPUs. Let's analyze the flow-on effects this is having across the rest of the CPU market.

 

Are Intel CPU stability issues affecting sales?

The other interesting thing to look at in the market right now is the price of Intel processors. You'd think that with significant negative attention around stability issues with 13th- and 14th-gen parts, prices would quickly start to fall as consumers stop buying them. But that really hasn't happened.

 

Btw. Almost none post about failing Intel chips now. Why? Because the minor failing rate?

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

Almost none post about failing Intel chips now. Why? Because the minor failing rate?

As I have often stated about this and most of previous "crises" that make the technology news... most of the crises are overblown and exaggerated problems that the tech media rely on to make it seem like the tech media is important and serves a useful purpose. Most of the time they are shills of propaganda. Same applies to the mainstream media. Very limited value to the world in the grand scheme of things. In some ways their mere existence is more harmful than helpful because sheeple are eager to believe their lies and their presentation of "facts" and information is jaded by an agenda and rarely ever accurate on face value.

 

Did Intel have some issues? Yes. Did they release a lot of lousy silicon samples? Yes. Have motherboard manufacturers made a small problem a lot worse by pushing crappy silicon samples too hard? Yes. Not a crisis and by no stretch of the imagination a catastrophe. It doesn't affect people that know how to tune their system to keep their CPU from committing hara kiri. The fact that the fabricated crisis hasn't had a huge effect on Intel CPU sales demonstrates that the people buying CPUs are not as stupid as the tech media spinsters had hoped they would be.

[jaybee83]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

Btw. Almost none post about failing Intel chips now. Why? Because the minor failing rate?

 

My guess is the type of forums / people we interact with regarding computer hardware are not running their CPUs full stock and dont keep them long enough anyways to run into such issues 😄 

 

The high-volume data center customers using tens of thousand of these CPUs 24/7 at high load are far more likely to run into degradation issues vs. DIY customers tuning their CPUs for max perf/voltage ratios.

[Papusan]

9 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

My guess is the type of forums / people we interact with regarding computer hardware are not running their CPUs full stock and dont keep them long enough anyways to run into such issues 😄 

 

The high-volume data center customers using tens of thousand of these CPUs 24/7 at high load are far more likely to run into degradation issues vs. DIY customers tuning their CPUs for max perf/voltage ratios.

 

Yet. Intel now offer 5 years warranty😇 Hmmmm. I wonder if everyone included corps will have same 5 years warranty. 

[jaybee83]

57 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Yet. Intel now offer 5 years warranty😇 Hmmmm. I wonder if everyone included corps will have same 5 years warranty. 

 

They will likely get far more than that, i.e. free replacements for thousands of defective CPUs plus rebates on future high volume deals. Intel would surely not want to lose such big customers 😛