Improving Cooling / Fans Upgrade In Clevo

[SuperMG]

26 minutes ago, Kastner said:

I assume it is working but it has a dramaticly lowered performance since these bend on the pipe surface and the physics how the heat pipes work.

I use PL1 100W and PL2 120 W -100mV 4,7 all core. There is just a bit improvement in games for a lot of more heat if I use more. 

Here are two example for unlimited power and 120W.

Here are the two benchmarks one for unlimited and one for 120W.

Ulimited.

 

PL1 100W PL2 120W

 

 

Here is a cinebench results with unlimited and 120 W score. As you can see in unlimited thermal throttling is almost always on. It is completly normal since in the beginning it draws almost 180W and then throttling down around 140W. 

 

 

You can build your system for benchmark or you can build it for gaming. If you want better scores you need the heatpipe. If you want a cooler GPU then you do not need one. When both of your components starts working these benchmark results are not correct. CPU uses the GPU pipes and has more room to work. In gaming the CPU starts to heat the GPU sometimes resulting thermal throttling. I think a cooler GPU is better way to go. Of course this is only my opinion and it is based on my experience.

 

Thanks.

 

The heatpipe improved my TimeSpy score from 9.7/9.8k to 10.2/10.3k. so it does something. 4.9GHz all cores, -80mV

 

I ran Heaven benchmark, it uses both CPU and GPU at the same time. GPU max temp was 80C and 88C in the hot spot.

 

Got 390FPS in 1080p Ultra, no thermal throttle on the GPU.

 

 

So can I just:

 

use a 0.5mm thickness copper plate, glue it on the 3 CPU heatpipes and glue one straight heatpipe on top of the plate, all the way to the bottom GPU core side?

 

I can improve my clocks if I do this.

[Kastner]

56 minutes ago, SuperMG said:

The heatpipe improved my TimeSpy score from 9.7/9.8k to 10.2/10.3k. so it does something. 4.9GHz all cores, -80mV

 

I do not think that it could go all core 4.9 since it would be about 220w+. If you run hwinfo64 you can monitor the mhz.

56 minutes ago, SuperMG said:

I ran Heaven benchmark, it uses both CPU and GPU at the same time. GPU max temp was 80C and 88C in the hot spot.

I am pretty sure all of the heavan benchmark for gpu test only. If you monitor during test is it also benching/using cpu?

56 minutes ago, SuperMG said:

use a 0.5mm thickness copper plate, glue it on the 3 CPU heatpipes and glue one straight heatpipe on top of the plate, all the way to the bottom GPU core side

Do not use copper plate, heat pipes are much more effective transfering heat.

Also glueing is not the best solution you should solder it.

[SuperMG]

30 minutes ago, Kastner said:

I do not think that it could go all core 4.9 since it would be about 220w+. If you run hwinfo64 you can monitor the mhz.

I am pretty sure all of the heavan benchmark for gpu test only. If you monitor during test is it also benching/using cpu?

Do not use copper plate, heat pipes are much more effective transfering heat.

Also glueing is not the best solution you should solder it.

Yes the CPU speed does give extra fps in heaven benchmark. Tested with multiple CPU configurations and overclocking helps a lot. I get max 160W on the CPU when I use ThrottleStop and TimeSpy bench

 

I used thermal glue 2w/mk, the best one that sticks very well. Some videos on YouTube, people used that thermal glue on the edges + used some thermal paste in the middle of the heatpipe and it was effective for them.

 

I wanted to use a copper plate to elevate the heatpipes since there are some tiny heatsinks on the right of the heatsink 

[Kastner]

I see. I hope I could help you in some way, and congrats on 4090 it could be a beast! 9900ks would be very nice with it!;)

[SuperMG]

48 minutes ago, Kastner said:

I see. I hope I could help you in some way, and congrats on 4090 it could be a beast! 9900ks would be very nice with it!;)

Is the 9900KS running at 5GHz all core at 140W? Is it better than the 9900K/9900KF since it's highly binned? Meaning we could do -130mV undervolts?

 

I made my backlight mod v2 (with brightness control) work on this P775TM laptop and I got the custom heatsink from Cicichen.

 

Can get 54k graphics points in Fire Strike.

[Kastner]

18 minutes ago, SuperMG said:

Is the 9900KS running at 5GHz all core at 140W? Is it better than the 9900K/9900KF since it's highly binned? Meaning we could do -130mV undervolts?

It should be the best,yes. However the factory datasheet says 127W TDP which means it can do the base freq which is 4.0 GHz. It is not likely it will do all core 5GHz on 140w, it do around 200w. It is still just a very good 9900k.
UV depends on luck and bin. Around 100 is normal 130 is very good.

59 minutes ago, SuperMG said:

made my backlight mod v2 (with brightness control) work on this P775TM laptop and I got the custom heatsink from Cicichen.

Yes, I read it, it is was a very good research and work congrats!

[SuperMG]

19 minutes ago, Kastner said:

It should be the best,yes. However the factory datasheet says 127W TDP which means it can do the base freq which is 4.0 GHz. It is not likely it will do all core 5GHz on 140w, it do around 200w. It is still just a very good 9900k.
UV depends on luck and bin. Around 100 is normal 130 is very good.

Yes, I read it, it is was a very good research and work congrats!

So for example

 

The 9900K/9900KF => 4.9GHz all core thermal throttle 

 

The 9900KS => 4.9Ghz all core no thermal throttle? Can the laptop handle 5.0GHz all core without any thermal throttle?

[Kastner]

10 minutes ago, SuperMG said:

The 9900K/9900KF => 4.9GHz all core thermal throttle 

 

The 9900KS => 4.9Ghz all core no thermal throttle? Can the laptop handle 5.0GHz all core without any thermal throttle?

Short answer is no. 
With the factory air cooling system you can not achive these numbers.

Maybe someone can contradict me but I cannot imagine it could be done.

 

[SuperMG]

7 minutes ago, Kastner said:

Short answer is no. 
With the factory air cooling system you can not achive these numbers.

Maybe someone can contradict me but I cannot imagine it could be done.

 

So at 4.7GHz and 4.8GHz all core, which CPU does the best (in terms of temperature) at the same clock speed?

 

I'm interested to get the binned 9900K which is the 9900KS. Or should I just ditch this laptop and get the X170KM with 11700K?

[Kastner]

23 minutes ago, SuperMG said:

So at 4.7GHz and 4.8GHz all core, which CPU does the best (in terms of temperature) at the same clock speed?

9900KS

23 minutes ago, SuperMG said:

I'm interested to get the binned 9900K which is the 9900KS. Or should I just ditch this laptop and get the X170KM with 11700K?

You can try I tried it out, I had an x170km with 11900k and rtx3080 for a few month. It is almost twice as loud, you had two carry two bricks with you and the improvement especially at 2k and higher the difference is not that much for the investment in my opinion. 11th gen was not best generation which intel developed 10900k was better in multi. 8c vs 10c

I think P775TM is very good DTR but have to make some compromise with it.